War In Chechnya website

[UkrainianSpetsnaz]

Hi all. Well... i dont have the money to buy a seperate domain for my website about the chechen war, and this is just the pics so far. Soon I will have stories, eye witness accounts, cool stuff....

But for now here it is. http://www.ukraineonline.net/chechnya/chechnya.htm

[Operation Ivy]

Nice pics :D

[UkrainianSpetsnaz]

thank u :lol:

[Upfrontreporting]

Lots of interesting photos, nice job!

Do you by the way have access to videoclips of russian units in action in chechnya, I'm very interested in seeing the conflict from a russian perspective.
The net is filled with the so-called pay-per ambush videos made by the chechen seperatists and it could be interesting to see the conflict from an other angle.

regards

[koster]

There aren't any videos of our soldiers in action (although there was one a few years back, on the mvd website)on the net, our goverment doesn't want that kind of stuff being shown to the public, all the guys who were coming home from chechnya/dagestan were checked for trophies and videos, and all that by fsb/mvd, and it all was taken away. You can still find, and buy some videos in Russia thu, from the guys who managed to sneak 'em past the fsb/mvd.
But why would you want to see that ? its war, nothing good about it. Better go and rent some movie..

[Fargin]

I kind of like Animal Mother on this picture:
http://www.ukraineonline.net/chechnya/chechnyamilarms06.jpg

[Sirpad]

These photos are beyond cool - some of them are very interesting (and new, at least for me). here are few samples:

http://www.ukraineonline.net/chechnya/chechnya354.jpg
Field command post - note laser rangefinder and radios

http://www.ukraineonline.net/chechnya/chechnya363.jpg
RARE: arty guidance system for Krasnopol/Kilotov laser-guided rounds

http://www.ukraineonline.net/chechnya/chechnya356.jpg
probably an instant-entrenchment shaped charge

http://www.ukraineonline.net/chechnya/training.jpg
Training - the middle guy about to fire RPO-A thermobaric rocket

http://www.ukraineonline.net/chechnya/grozny-81.jpg
The mother-of-all-mortars: 240 mm!

http://www.ukraineonline.net/chechnya/mortars.jpgVENA 120 mm mortars night-fire


http://www.ukraineonline.net/chechnya/RocketsNight.jpg
BM-21 Grad night-fire

A note for the website owner - many photos are posted twice, and i think it would look better if you remove the extra photos. otherwise very nice job!

[Kingpin]

Nice site, nice photos but there is some little mistakes. ;)

1. Definitely not all photos from Chechnya. Some from other places.
2. Anyonе who have a scope isn't a sniper yet. Some are PK/RPK gunners. The rest - sharpshooters according to western classification

[Rush_die]

nice site...and pictures too...

[Kingpin]

http://www.ukraineonline.net/chechnya/celebrate.jpg

This one from 1995. There is presidental palace in Grozny at picture behind those soldiers. It doesn't exists anymore - it was blown up to pieces later. Eyewitnesses said that russian soldiers captured earlier were tied to the windows' frames by chechens when army goes to storm building. They were tortured berofethat and without any clothes on them. Many were still alive. [/quote]

[Kingpin]

On of my favourite (also i suppose from 1995):

Good day. Just kicked some asses and everyone here is OK. ;)

http://www.ukraineonline.net/chechnya/happybunch2.jpg

[soldierandy]

Last year when we were training in the Ukraine - I am in the british army - the ukrainian soldiers showed us a movie - with actors that is - of the war in Chechnya which was quite gruesome and I have to say that I was surprised how good the special effects and the general details were. Would you know what movie that was and if i could get hold of it anywhere?

[Kingpin]

It depends what movie it was.
There is Spetsnaz series on TV - very good quality but too heroic storyline ;)
There is also movies The War (with British reporter among heroes as i remember if it can help) and actually many more - such as Purgatory - really gruesome one.

Which one you asking for?

[Herrmannek]

Via centurys in Russian army one thing didn't changed at all...boots...they always look like taken from trash bin...and it's looks like this won't change in near future :).

[Kingpin]

herrmannek! Photo please as evidence! ;)
Actually many army men and most MVD troops have normal miliary boots. So you're wrong :bash:

[Herrmannek]

Actually many army men and most MVD troops have normal miliary boots. So you're wrong :bash:

This was more like joke than true sentence, but look at their boots

http://www.ukraineonline.net/chechnya/celebrate.jpg

[Kingpin]

Remember! 1995!

[Herrmannek]

Do you live in Russia? I'm very courious what citizens think about that war?
If it is often in TV, or it something like tabu?

[Kingpin]

Heh.

It is very difficult question. Let me explain.

Despite what anyone think about democracy in russia there is a lot (****... i'm drunk.... can't press proper key ;) we just celebrated our colleague) of different opinions about evething including this war.

Actually most people doesn't like this war. Many think that it should by stopped. BUT! Anyone remembers what happened in 1999 after we left Chechnya for their own in 1996. They invaded in Dagestan. And anyone excluding Chechens doesn't like Chechens ;) And that's why public doesn't stress governoment to end this war immediately. And we all understand that latest election was biased but we can't think that there is may be failure in Chechnya once again.

As for TV it is show and discuss Chechen question but in very soft manner. This is actually VERY DIFFICULT PROBLEM. Not good guys against bad guys. This is Caucasus. Too many diferent interests tied together.

I recorded from TV for you all one report about youngsters' life in Grozny (rappers, Counter-Strike, humor etc. among ruins ;) ) but i don't have equipment to put it into AVI from VCR. Very interesting.

[Kingpin]

I know teenagers in Poland do not know Russian language. But at the times of Soviet Union it was studied in Poland schools. And Mr. Marek Kubin with which i work in Poland knows Russian language very well. For him i can send a lot of reading about problem. But for you... ;) I can't translate this pile of texts. Just don't have time. :D

[Herrmannek]

I know russian's basics :), Have been learning it for 3 years, but you know not used tools became rusty. So if you have related articles post them. I would like to polish russian language skills :)

[soldierandy]

Kingpin,
By the sounds of it I think it might be Purgatory. It was a feature length movie but I missed more than half of it. I don't remember a particular storyline but it was pretty gruesome. If readers don't mind me mentioning some bits of the movie where a russian soldier was dragged out of a tank still alive without much of his body left and then crucified on a window where the chechens were firing from behind him thinking the russians would avoid shooting back and also a bit where russian tanks would roll over bodies of their own dead so that chechens wouldn't humiliate them or crucify them as well. Pretty horrible stuff but I think it is a pretty horrible war. I have seen chechens video themselves cutting heads off prisoners with bayonets and these go round the internet as well.

[koster]

Those are standard boots "Kerzovki" don't remember what the other ones are called. Yeah, they aren't good, but there's no need for 2 year conscripts to wear high quality boots. For those of us who are there for money, its not a problem to buy our own boots, same with the spetsnaz guys, and everyone else.

What do the citizens think about the war ? well, those poor freedom fighters blowd up apartments and killed whole bunch of people, what the hell do you think they think ?

[koster]

soldierandy, that movie was Chistilishe, its about assault on Groznyi (december 4th, 1994)

[soldierandy]

Yes now I realise Chistilishche is the russian word for Purgatory. Unfortunately we can't find these movies in England so easily but I don't know of any source anywhere else either.

My opinion is that the Chechen are some of the most brutal savages and absolute scum. The quicker we are finished with them the better. All of a sudden all these muslims have discovered Islam and allah and want to get rid of the rest of us. This is not a religion any more but a political movement that is totally inhumane, racist, sexist, intolerant, undemocratic in principle and barbaric in practice. Just as Germans had to be de-nazified after the war so do muslims need to be de-islamicised. Anybody that is on the frontline of this new World War has my total support.

[UkrainianSpetsnaz]

yeah I know some pics are posted twice, and no I wont remove them. they dont bother you. And I do realize that just because they have a scope, that they arent snipers, but you know what, Russian VDV are wearing different uniforms throught Chechnya and are riding on Army BMP's and I put them under the army tag, Im not a loser with no life, im not going to spend hours sorting and sifting every picture for every detail... You dont like how they are sorted then dont look at them. easy as that. rofl

[aktarian]

soldierandy, that movie was Chistilishe, its about assault on Groznyi (december 4th, 1994)

No offense but every source I read states Grozny was attacked on 31.12.1994 (hence name New Year's Eve Battle).

Unless we are talking in different callendars?

Another nice site
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img002/chechnyamil/index.htm

[Kingpin]

2 soldierandy

You can order Purgatory movie at http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/1424617/

And also a bit on this theme
http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/name/video_catalog/id/1322476/
http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/name/video_catalog/id/1272016/
http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/name/video_catalog/id/1380580/
http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/name/video_catalog/id/71988/
http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/name/video_catalog/id/1054087/
http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/name/video_catalog/id/66558/
http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/name/video_catalog/id/69689/

And from western movies i like Wag the dog very much ;)
http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/name/video_catalog/id/66406/
and black hawk down ;)
http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/name/video_catalog/id/1061593/

But i can't help you to handle russian interface ;)

[GazB]

Sirpad, that explosive device for "digging" foxholes is called OZ-1 and is designed to losen or breakup hard soils or frozen soils for digging foxholes.

[Sabre]

Finally, a thread where some people appreciate the real situation in chechnya, and aren't all 'Rambo-indoctrinated, anti-ruskie bible bashers'.

Chechen rebels are guilty of very serious atrocities. When people are very quick to criticise some russian indescressions, they can't possibly imagine the horror of assaulting a building where mutilated, tortured bodies of your comrades are strung-up and crucified.

It is perfectly understandable that a conscript would want to get his own back on the people who would do such a thing. War isn't TV screens and lasers, it is fought with emotions and agression. How can it not affect you?

I am 100% behind the russian lads out there, and always have been. Unlike many westerners who have suddenly discovered their eastern 'friends' after getting a kick up the jacksee on 11 sep.

I hope they can sort it out soon, and get out of that crappy place.

[volfram]

Why you ignoring fact that russians occupied other country.

[Russian Texan]

Do you know how and why it started and what was "the last straw that broke the camels back"? The interesting detail that I have uncovered is that people who condem russians for being in Chechnya don't know anything about chechens, region and its history, not to mention they can't even find it on the map. Another thing that amazes me is that the recent presedentlial elections in Chechnya are not widely recognized and accepted because of the absence of "international observers" during the process. So the same people who are screaming "bloody murder" and all that humanitarian crisis stuff wouldn't come to the place even though russian gov invited them, why? Too scared of their heads being cut off or being kidnaped and held for ransom by the peacefull chechens?

May be I don't know all the facts but look at Arab/Israeli conflict, somehow you don't hear about kidnapings and bodies being mutilated although palestinians are fighting for their land & independence. You don't hear about those things because it is all about politics while in Chechnya it is all about money.
BTW did you know that according to their ancient traditions it is shameful for a highlander (chechen) men to work and even Stalin, who was also from Caucasus and was quite accostomed to violence, referred to them as "brutal uncivilazed animals".

[aktarian]

Do you know how and why it started and what was "the last straw that broke the camels back"?

Which one, first one or second one?

[volfram]

So what ,people dont know much about Chechnya.It has nothing to do it.They can be ugly,eat **** in breakfast,dont like to work,this is nobody bussiness.
Free election in Chechnya?I dont even know how to reply to something like this.This elections are not recognized because this elections are not free.are you saying people who hate russianss so much would elect for president someone who is pro russians?

[martinexsquaddie]

I've got some latvian friends who were well pleased watching the red army get badly kicked in on the streets of grozny

[Kingpin]

2 herrmannek

Some for you in Russian.

Anti-war and pro-chechen links
http://viktorpopkov.narod.ru/ssilki.htm

And interesting reading about Komsomolskoe
http://viktorpopkov.narod.ru/sannikova/koms..htm

Pro-war and pro-governoment links
http://chechnya.genstab.ru/article.htm
http://www.chechnyafree.ru/
http://www.infocentre.ru/win/user/index.cfm
http://kavkaz.strana.ru/


If you'll manage to read all this stuff your Russian language will be as sharp as the blade :)

[Herrmannek]

Thanks :)

[GazB]

"I've got some latvian friends who were well pleased watching the red army get badly kicked in on the streets of grozny"

No doubt Osama probably loves to have Iraq as proof (in his sermons) of the evils of the west and an opportunity for his followers to go to God with a bomb and an american or a brit...

Says more about Osama and the Latvians than it does about the situation...

"Free election in Chechnya?I dont even know how to reply to something like this.This elections are not recognized because this elections are not free.are you saying people who hate russianss so much would elect for president someone who is pro russians?"

They are as free as you are going to get. The guy elected was a so called freedom fighter in the first war. Don't tell me that elections in Iraq when they do happen will allow the opposition (ie the Baath party) to stand. Hell, they'll have to impose rules that stop the Shia majority from taking complete power and turning the place into another Iran... nationalise the oil industry and keep the proceeds of Iraqi oil for Iraqi citizens... hahahahahaha.... that is going to happen... over GWs dead body.

[Andyman]

very nice pics, and the one with the boots thats sad. they look so decrepid and uncomfortable. Probably were rubber boots.

[Kingpin]

Found a never-seen-before (at least for me) photo

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img002/chechnyamil38.jpg


Pchela UAV is returning from a reconnaissance flight over Chechnya, Sept. 26, 1999

[martinexsquaddie]

maybe if you were run out of your country by the red army and a lot of your relatives killed.
you probably would be quite pleased to whatch them lose too

[GazB]

"maybe if you were run out of your country by the red army and a lot of your relatives killed.
you probably would be quite pleased to whatch them lose too"

None of my Maori friends wanted to see the British lose their lives in the various wars they have been in over the years... some of them even came over to help you fight the Germans during WWII.
The Brits they were helping then weren't the same brits that screwed them out of land and they knew that, just as the conscripts dying in chechnia are not the ones that ran anyone out of latvia and or killed their relatives.

I guess if that is OK then the Latvian units that joined the Germans during WWII and killed Russians and Ukrainians are going to be forgotten, not to mention the British, American, French, and Japanese troops that went to Russia after WWI and tried to help the Tsarist forces could be used justifyably for the Russians to hate the west/east. Is there any country in the world that hasn't done something bad to some other country?

[Dmitri]

So what ,people dont know much about Chechnya.It has nothing to do it.They can be ugly,eat **** in breakfast,dont like to work,this is nobody bussiness.



Yes it does :bash: Why do you justify israelis (or may be palestinians) in their conflict? You think history, religion, territory or money have nothing to do with it?
Free election in Chechnya?I dont even know how to reply to something like this.This elections are not recognized because this elections are not free.are you saying people who hate russianss so much would elect for president someone who is pro russians?
How the hell do you know?? Before you say it with such certainty, you better have some proof. I agree, I might have some doubts about it too, but I wasn't there, and if the numbers were opposite and somebody changed them, it would leak out later anyway through some journalists walking around taking polls...
Some of those terrorist claim that they control an independent country, but for some reason they are not recognized by anybody else... May be their cause is not so righteous?[/quote]

[SHQIPTAR]

VERY SIMILAR IMAGES.


http://www.ukraineonline.net/chechnya/celebrate.jpg

http://www.archives.gov/research_room/research_topics/world_war_2_photos/images/ww2_82.jpg

[CannibalSquirel]

Snipers with Big Bad Guns

Man, what kind of title is this? It´s seems a line or a title from a gay movie.
Change that! :bash:

BTW, very nice pic´s indeed. Keep up the good work.

[CannibalSquirel]

Jez, I really need to reply to that.

SHQIPTAR, I´m gone be honest. I really don´t get you. What the hell is your problem? Everyone who was, or is, at war with muslin are sh*t? Is that it?
Damm it, that´s what I call racism. I mean, I don´t have any problem with muslins, but why the hell didn´t you posted some images of, for example, East Timorese people that were almost exterminated by Indonesia?

Get real man, Russia ins´t rigth in some actions, but neither are the chechens. Far from that.

It´s a ****y world, but that´s the one we have. Now stop the ****ing flame.

Cheers

[bloddyaxe]

VERY SIMILAR IMAGES.

Except for the beard on the guy in the middle of the nether photo and the fact that Paris is in good shape, obviously because there weren't enough chechens there.... And they aren't drinking unlike the Russians in the higher photo, perhaps because they are already drunk enough... And then, the Russians are on top of a BTR but the guys with the man with the unusual mustache are not on top of a BTR. They are on solid ground.

[SeanAshi]

Who's gonna rebuild Grozny?

[DeathForSale]

Was this when you were codenamed AK Lover or Serbian Boy?

^exactly.

Darn how'd you figure it out so fast?!

Hey I started posting good stuff and then you guys banned me from something I did before. Is Albanian banned? did you see his posts?
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[RuSoKaR]

Man chechens have realized that with their old government, they couldn't live like normal people, most of them are fighting for their country chechnia, but they are fighting against terror on the same side as Russian federal troops.

Even in the last operation in december GRY officer said that if not locals which really helped a LOT in that operation, then Russian Army whould loose a lot more personel.

Everything is getting to the ends, there are only 3000 Federal troops there right now, and they only place where terrorists can come from is from the Georgia :cantbeli: