No Charges Filed Against Clerk Who Shot Suspected Robber

[Geezah]

Man Charged With Robbery

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- The Franklin County Sheriff's Office announced Monday that the convenience store clerk who shot a suspected robber would not face charges.

The shooting unfolded at 7:30 a.m. Sunday inside a Sunoco gas station on Cleveland Avenue, NBC 4 reported.

Investigators said it was clear that the clerk, Karen Smith, feared for her life.

The alleged robbery and shooting were captured by the store's surveillance camera.

Detective Drew McEvoy told NBC 4's Holly Hollingsworth that the robbery suspect, Desmond Thompson, made the clerk believe he had a gun even though he didn't.

"You can see where (Thompson has) got his left hand in his pocket and he's banging on the counter, implying he's got a weapon," McEvoy said.

The second factor is easy to miss if you're not looking for it on the tape, Hollingsworth reported.

The clerk, Karen Smith, gave the robber cash. But instead of just leaving, Thompson motioned and demanded that she come out from behind the counter.

"If (Smith) wasn't in fear for her life before, with him implying a gun, she's definitely in fear for her life now," McEvoy said. "We have no idea what he's thinking."

Smith grabbed a gun from under the counter and fired once, hitting Thompson, 26, in the shoulder. She then called 911, Hollingsworth reported.

"He acted like he did (have a weapon)," Smith said. "I didn't hesitate."

"Potential robbers: The best advice I can give is don't rob a store where Mrs. Smith is working," McEvoy said.

Smith told Hollingsworth that she had never fired a gun before in her life.

Thompson was charged with one count of robbery.

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This lady has never spent a day at the range in her life ;)

Link (http://www.nbc4i.com/news/3975311/detail.html)

Footage (http://nbc4i.feedroom.com/index.jsp?auto_band=x&rf=sv&fr_story=0b50cdf63045e1209de673b4376c7a0111a22bfb)

Finally, payback woot

[American Patriot]

She did well. woot

[plodey]

did he (robber) even have a gun ?

edit: article says he didn't have gun.

She would be up on manslaughter charges in Australia if he had died. and rightly so I might say.

[wholagun]

one thing i like about the US is the abilty to defend yourself. here in Canada the criminal has more rights then I do if i were to shoot him. I don't have a gun nor do I indend to shoot anyone but if ever faced with that situation and I had a gun I am not sure if I would be able to resist not shooting the robber.

Is it true in the US that you can shoot car jackers?

[Kilgor]

pwn3d !

woot

[Geezah]

did he (robber) even have a gun ?

edit: article says he didn't have gun.

She would be up on manslaughter charges in Australia if he had died. and rightly so I might say.

Either you like to stir up the $h!t or you are completely clueless :cantbeli:

After the perp took the money, he motioned for/and advised the woman to come from behind the counter(at this point it can only mean one thing), as she did not know for sure if he had a gun(she had complied with his request for the money) I'm sure she thought that she was about to die if she came from behind the counter.
So she then took the gun and shot the guy, which as you can she is completely backed by the LEOs up there.

Should she have waited to find out if he had a gun, or is the fact he told her he had a gun not enough?

I do like the way you think that the innocent should die but the criminals should not :cantbeli:

[Geezah]

Is it true in the US that you can shoot car jackers?

Only if you feel that your life or a third parties life is being threatened, you cannot just shoot someone for taking your car.

Here in Ohio our CCW is still in it's infancy, the Ohio State troopers didn't like the fact that you can carry a firearm in your car so the guy in charge suggested driving away very fast if someone tries to car jack you, only problem is, some followed his advise and ended up getting shot and killed as they tried to floor it.

The Ohio State Troopers were the only organisation that didn't like the idea of CCW and they said it would make their jobs that much more difficult, which to me doesn't make sense :cantbeli:
When Indiana has had CCW since the year dot and they've never reported any problems from Law Abiding Citizens that carry concealed.

I checked out the OSHP website and there are more troopers killed from traffic accidents than shootings since they started, I think there were only like 3 shootings :cantbeli:

Thing is, the FOP and the Buckeye Sherriffs Assc both backed the CCW, so Taft couldn't use LE as an excuse as to why Ohio shouldn't put it in place.

[joe mama]

did he (robber) even have a gun ?

edit: article says he didn't have gun.

She would be up on manslaughter charges in Australia if he had died. and rightly so I might say.

Rightly so? Are you ****ting me? Oh wait, I forgot, in Australia, everyone is a 37th degree black belt in all martial arts ever taught, and can wait until a guy who is clearly attempting to imply that he has a gun actually shows it, and also wait until the scumbag actually begins squeezing the trigger of his gun and then use their Jet Li reflexes to disarm him, or get their own gun out and fire. Or maybe that wouldn't be clear enough, maybe you should wait until the bullet is actually travelling down the barrel before reacting - no, wait, the criminal could move the gun so as to miss you. Ok, here's the deadly force self defense standard we should use: wait until the bullet is actually out of the barrel and on a certain trajectory to hit you. Then, it is clear that the criminal was intending to shoot you, and you may shoot back. Oh wait, what if he pulled the trigger by mistake...Ok, new standard: wait until the bullet is in the air on it's way to you, then ask the criminal if he intended to fire or if it was an accident. And, just to be safe, if he says he intended to fire, please ask a second time for clarification.

My only problem with this story? It's too bad she didn't hit this guy center mass (or better yet, center head) and didn't get to enjoy watching him bleed out on the floor. Whilst f*cking the bullet hole with a pickle (if the store she was in sold pickles).

[Geezah]

did he (robber) even have a gun ?

edit: article says he didn't have gun.

She would be up on manslaughter charges in Australia if he had died. and rightly so I might say.

Rightly so? Are you ****ting me? Oh wait, I forgot, in Australia, everyone is a 37th degree black belt in all martial arts ever taught, and can wait until a guy who is clearly attempting to imply that he has a gun actually shows it, and also wait until the scumbag actually begins squeezing the trigger of his gun and then use their Jet Li reflexes to disarm him, or get their own gun out and fire. Or maybe that wouldn't be clear enough, maybe you should wait until the bullet is actually travelling down the barrel before reacting - no, wait, the criminal could move the gun so as to miss you. Ok, here's the deadly force self defense standard we should use: wait until the bullet is actually out of the barrel and on a certain trajectory to hit you. Then, it is clear that the criminal was intending to shoot you, and you may shoot back. Oh wait, what if he pulled the trigger by mistake...Ok, new standard: wait until the bullet is in the air on it's way to you, then ask the criminal if he intended to fire or if it was an accident. And, just to be safe, if he says he intended to fire, please ask a second time for clarification.

My only problem with this story? It's too bad she didn't hit this guy center mass (or better yet, center head) and didn't get to enjoy watching him bleed out on the floor. Whilst f*cking the bullet hole with a pickle (if the store she was in sold pickles).

plodey, sorry Rebecca Peters is pwned........and rightly so rofl

[Werewolf01]

woot woot woot

In the US is you IMPLY you have a weapon and are intending or willing to use it, you are charged with armed robbery all the same. If you walk into a bank with a pickle in your coat pocket and call it a gun, in the eyes of the law, you might has well have been bright enough to bring a real gun.
I hope this lady gets a medal.

[gaz]

This lady has never spent a day at the range in her life ;)


I have no particular problem with this lady defending herself, if she felt she was in danger then fair play to her. It's the above statement that leaves me a little unsettled, I wouldn't want to be in the same room as a scared first time shooter when she has to take that first shot under pressure.

[Geezah]

This lady has never spent a day at the range in her life ;)


I have no particular problem with this lady defending herself, if she felt she was in danger then fair play to her. It's the above statement that leaves me a little unsettled, I wouldn't want to be in the same room as a scared first time shooter when she has to take that first shot under pressure.

For her first time, I think she did bloody good woot

Watch the video link I provided, you will see that she used common sense and was no threat to anyone else apart form the perp.

[NRMCOLT80]

She would be up on manslaughter charges in Australia if he had died.
Sucks to be you :bash:

I spent 6 months in Oz when my wife was finishing her masters degree at Monesh U. in Frankston, VIC. I still love the country even though I hate some of the laws there now.

Agree or disagree It is to bad your GOV took away your right to defend oneself



As long as you fight for those rights.........you shall have those rights

[Geezah]

She would be up on manslaughter charges in Australia if he had died.
Sucks to be you :bash:

I spent 6 months in Oz when my wife was finishing her masters degree at Monesh U. in Frankston, VIC

Agree or disagree It is to bad your GOV took away your right to defend oneself



As long as you fight for those rights.........you shall have those rights

Where abouts in Ohio are you?

I'm live in Xenia or if you like Tornado Central p-)

By the way, welcome aboard ;)

[NRMCOLT80]

I'm in Medina. 30 miles SW of Cleveland. Xenia is down by Dayton?

Thanks for the welcome. Long time lurker

[Geezah]

I'm in Medina. 30 miles SW of Cleveland. Xenia is down by Dayton?

Thanks for the welcome. Long time lurker

Ok

Yes Xenia is just outside of Dayton by Wright Patt airforce base, also I work in Miamisburg by the Dayton Mall if you know where that is.

Good to have a felow Buckeye around ;)

[plodey]

did he (robber) even have a gun ?

edit: article says he didn't have gun.

She would be up on manslaughter charges in Australia if he had died. and rightly so I might say.

Rightly so? Are you ****ting me? Oh wait, I forgot, in Australia, everyone is a 37th degree black belt in all martial arts ever taught, and can wait until a guy who is clearly attempting to imply that he has a gun actually shows it, and also wait until the scumbag actually begins squeezing the trigger of his gun and then use their Jet Li reflexes to disarm him, or get their own gun out and fire. Or maybe that wouldn't be clear enough, maybe you should wait until the bullet is actually travelling down the barrel before reacting - no, wait, the criminal could move the gun so as to miss you. Ok, here's the deadly force self defense standard we should use: wait until the bullet is actually out of the barrel and on a certain trajectory to hit you. Then, it is clear that the criminal was intending to shoot you, and you may shoot back. Oh wait, what if he pulled the trigger by mistake...Ok, new standard: wait until the bullet is in the air on it's way to you, then ask the criminal if he intended to fire or if it was an accident. And, just to be safe, if he says he intended to fire, please ask a second time for clarification.

My only problem with this story? It's too bad she didn't hit this guy center mass (or better yet, center head) and didn't get to enjoy watching him bleed out on the floor. Whilst f*cking the bullet hole with a pickle (if the store she was in sold pickles).

Er no. In Australia the guy would have got his money and would probably have been caught later on by the police. No one dead or injured. The 7-11 would be covered by insurance for the theft. Not everyones happy, but no one is dead or injured. Instead you have an unarmed guy bleeding to death on your shop floor and a first time shooter using a lethal weapon in a confined space!

[Geezah]

did he (robber) even have a gun ?

edit: article says he didn't have gun.

She would be up on manslaughter charges in Australia if he had died. and rightly so I might say.

Rightly so? Are you ****ting me? Oh wait, I forgot, in Australia, everyone is a 37th degree black belt in all martial arts ever taught, and can wait until a guy who is clearly attempting to imply that he has a gun actually shows it, and also wait until the scumbag actually begins squeezing the trigger of his gun and then use their Jet Li reflexes to disarm him, or get their own gun out and fire. Or maybe that wouldn't be clear enough, maybe you should wait until the bullet is actually travelling down the barrel before reacting - no, wait, the criminal could move the gun so as to miss you. Ok, here's the deadly force self defense standard we should use: wait until the bullet is actually out of the barrel and on a certain trajectory to hit you. Then, it is clear that the criminal was intending to shoot you, and you may shoot back. Oh wait, what if he pulled the trigger by mistake...Ok, new standard: wait until the bullet is in the air on it's way to you, then ask the criminal if he intended to fire or if it was an accident. And, just to be safe, if he says he intended to fire, please ask a second time for clarification.

My only problem with this story? It's too bad she didn't hit this guy center mass (or better yet, center head) and didn't get to enjoy watching him bleed out on the floor. Whilst f*cking the bullet hole with a pickle (if the store she was in sold pickles).

Er no. In Australia the guy would have got his money and would probably have been caught later on by the police. No one dead or injured. The 7-11 would be covered by insurance for the theft. Not everyones happy, but no one is dead or injured. Instead you have an unarmed guy bleeding to death on your shop floor and a first time shooter using a lethal weapon in a confined space!

You are so out there, the guys face was not covered he told the woman to step from behind the counter, next thing you know she's dead, as dead men tell no tales.
He was the bad guy he said he had a gun if he bleeds to death so what?

Thank God you live over there rather than having another good for nothing Lib over here thinking you can teach the world to sing with a friggin Coke commercial :cantbeli:

[szr]

Thank God you live over there rather than having another good for nothing Lib over here thinking you can teach the world to sing with a friggin Coke commercial :cantbeli:I'm all for blasting away criminals but what the hell are you talking about? :|

[Geezah]

Thank God you live over there rather than having another good for nothing Lib over here thinking you can teach the world to sing with a friggin Coke commercial :cantbeli:I'm all for blasting away criminals but what the hell are you talking about? :|

Well, if you get a chance and read some of plodey's feel good posts, they should tell you everything you need to know, unless you were asking after the Lib part and it that's the case I don't know what to tell you man........except sorry about your luck p-)

[Durandal]

did he (robber) even have a gun ?

edit: article says he didn't have gun.

She would be up on manslaughter charges in Australia if he had died. and rightly so I might say.

The dude got what he deserved. The moment he decided to hold up the store, he gave up the right to not get shot.

She is a hero.

[szr]

Thank God you live over there rather than having another good for nothing Lib over here thinking you can teach the world to sing with a friggin Coke commercial :cantbeli:I'm all for blasting away criminals but what the hell are you talking about? :|

Well, if you get a chance and read some of plodey's feel good posts, they should tell you everything you need to know, unless you were asking after the Lib part and it that's the case I don't know what to tell you man........except sorry about your luck p-)Nah I didn't get the coke commercial thing.

[Geezah]

Thank God you live over there rather than having another good for nothing Lib over here thinking you can teach the world to sing with a friggin Coke commercial :cantbeli:I'm all for blasting away criminals but what the hell are you talking about? :|

Well, if you get a chance and read some of plodey's feel good posts, they should tell you everything you need to know, unless you were asking after the Lib part and it that's the case I don't know what to tell you man........except sorry about your luck p-)Nah I didn't get the coke commercial thing.

My bad, back in the early 70s, Coke had a commercial with a bunch of kids from around the World singing "I'd like to teach the World to sing", the most annoying commercial ever.

Here you go for your viewing pleasure :|

Coke Commercial (http://memory.loc.gov/mbrs/ccmp/komt1600_01g.ram)

[Durandal]

"I'd like to buy the world a coke, and sing/live in harmony."

Forget if its sing or live.

Edit: Or you can view G's links. :|

[Geezah]

"I'd like to buy the world a coke, and sing/live in harmony."

Forget if its sing or live.

Edit: Or you can view G's links. :|

I won't be able to get the damn tune out of my head now :(

[szr]

Coke Commercial (http://memory.loc.gov/mbrs/ccmp/komt1600_01g.ram)Wow, that's sort of spooky and made even more weird by the fact that it's hosted on the Library of Congress website. Thanks. :lol:

[Geezah]

Coke Commercial (http://memory.loc.gov/mbrs/ccmp/komt1600_01g.ram)Wow, that's sort of spooky and made even more weird by the fact that it's hosted on the Library of Congress website. Thanks. :lol:

Mind Control....man p-)

[plodey]

Well next time I'm in the states I will buy you a coke. I'll just remember to not leave it in my pocket and keep my hands visible at all times :hug:

[American Patriot]

plodey, just remember not to hold up a convenience store with your hand, you convict.

[plodey]

Well it works for me here :D

If I ever hold up a convenience store in the US, I will only do it with a real gun!

[Kilgor]

whats worse is the junkie pieces of **** that hold up stories with needles full of blood.

:(

People dont realise.. sure there is no physical scars... but armed hold ups scar the victims mentally and emotionally for years afterwards. Many never work again in public service roles and have broken relationships and mental illness problems.

You might not get shot, but your gonna be hurting in othe ways.

[joe mama]

Er no. In Australia the guy would have got his money and would probably have been caught later on by the police. No one dead or injured. The 7-11 would be covered by insurance for the theft. Not everyones happy, but no one is dead or injured. Instead you have an unarmed guy bleeding to death on your shop floor and a first time shooter using a lethal weapon in a confined space!

AHHHHHHHHH, so, instead of all Aussies having their Jet Li martial skills sharper than a scalpel, you're mindreaders, and can tell that the guy, while misguided, and I'm sure that's society's fault, was just interested in the money, and there's not a single chance that he might have kidnapped/raped/murdered this girl. Sounds like a great strategy - just give the criminals whatever they want, since they're all logical intelligent caring folks, there's no way they'd be violent with you if you cooperate. Durandal had it right - the moment that piece of **** decided to rob that store, pretending he had a gun, he gave up his right to not get shot.

[hank]

Two points:

First, thinking that using deadly force is not a good idea does not make you "liberal". I would venture to say that I've voted for more NRA supported Republicans than most on this site and I don't think most of the views expressed in this endless string of threads are either appropriate or well thought out. That doesn't make me liberl, it means I have considered my position, analyzed the law, thought about it and formed a conclusion. I'd say the better descriptive term would be "rational". Someone who disagrees with you is not necessarily "liberal".

Second, what is your point Geezah? I've told you about the law. I've given you the correct statutory authority. I've explained it 4 times. The word you miss in all my explanations is solely. Anybody working late in a convenience store who gets up close and personal with a gangsta-looking thug robber reaasonably fears for her life. I'll point it out again, and say it one more time. If this guy had grabbed a TV and been running out the door Ms. McEvoy would be guilty of aggravated battery. As it stands it is self-defense.

It is a simple concept, why are we struggling with this so much?

hank

[Geezah]

what is your point Geezah? I've told you about the law. I've given you the correct statutory authority. I've explained it 4 times. The word you miss in all my explanations is solely. Anybody working late in a convenience store who gets up close and personal with a gangsta-looking thug robber reaasonably fears for her life. I'll point it out again, and say it one more time. If this guy had grabbed a TV and been running out the door Ms. McEvoy would be guilty of aggravated battery. As it stands it is self-defense.

It is a simple concept, why are we struggling with this so much?

hank

????? am I missing something here???? I didn't question you or when or where you could shoot a criminal, so you may want to direct this to those that think it's ok to be abused by the bullies and thugs in society that prey on the weak ;)

plodey would be a good place to start ;)

[ZaakM433]

owned ;)

[hank]

what is your point Geezah? I've told you about the law. I've given you the correct statutory authority. I've explained it 4 times. The word you miss in all my explanations is solely. Anybody working late in a convenience store who gets up close and personal with a gangsta-looking thug robber reaasonably fears for her life. I'll point it out again, and say it one more time. If this guy had grabbed a TV and been running out the door Ms. McEvoy would be guilty of aggravated battery. As it stands it is self-defense.

It is a simple concept, why are we struggling with this so much?

hank

????? am I missing something here???? I didn't question you or when or where you could shoot a criminal, so you may want to direct this to those that think it's ok to be abused by the bullies and thugs in society that prey on the weak ;)

plodey would be a good place to start ;)

My point was that you continue to post these articles where people get away with shooting criminals. Its not like we don't get it by now. You are obvioulsy passionate about the right to use deadly force to defend yousefl. That is cool. I guess I just don't understand why you keep posting these? If informing us is your goal, job well done.

I am not questioning you, I just don't remember seeing this much traffic about people shooting other people in defense of seld/properrty. I keep current with news. My guess is you have to look relatively hard to find these stories. So, I ask, why?

No big deal.

I do worry though that lost in all this is the idea that shooting anyone should be last resort. Whatever your view on guns/self defense/etc. - everyone here needs to know that deadly force in defense even of self is last resort kind of stuff. It seems that this concept gets lost in the "i'll pop a cap in anybody I find going through my tool box in the dark" talk so prevalent in these threads.

hank

[plodey]

I just think he forgot number 6 of the 10 commandments. :backhand:

[Durandal]

I am not questioning you, I just don't remember seeing this much traffic about people shooting other people in defense of seld/properrty. I keep current with news. My guess is you have to look relatively hard to find these stories. So, I ask, why?

I see your point Hank.

However, one of the reasons you do not see a lot of self-defense gun use articles is that the media is fairly biased when it comes to such stories. This got air time (obviously) because the guy was shot and it was seen by the community.

Normally this stuff gets pushed aside, which is probably why you do not see a lot of it. Regardless of whether people agree or disagree with John Lott's data on gun ownership and its impact on crime, he is VERY correct when he says there is a bias in the media when guns are involved. They report the bad stuff and normally ignore the good stuff. Most gun related self-defense events happen without a shot ever being fired and never make into the news simply because it is not interesting.

I enjoy arguing gun issues and self defense usage, Gheeza simply enjoys it a LOT more. I found that by discussing it more you become better at doing it.

And yes, I agree. Shooting someone SHOULD be a last resort.

[Geezah]

I just think he forgot number 6 of the 10 commandments. :backhand:

And the 10 commandments apply to all people, not just the law abiding....right?

[Geezah]

what is your point Geezah? I've told you about the law. I've given you the correct statutory authority. I've explained it 4 times. The word you miss in all my explanations is solely. Anybody working late in a convenience store who gets up close and personal with a gangsta-looking thug robber reaasonably fears for her life. I'll point it out again, and say it one more time. If this guy had grabbed a TV and been running out the door Ms. McEvoy would be guilty of aggravated battery. As it stands it is self-defense.

It is a simple concept, why are we struggling with this so much?

hank

????? am I missing something here???? I didn't question you or when or where you could shoot a criminal, so you may want to direct this to those that think it's ok to be abused by the bullies and thugs in society that prey on the weak ;)

plodey would be a good place to start ;)

My point was that you continue to post these articles where people get away with shooting criminals. Its not like we don't get it by now. You are obvioulsy passionate about the right to use deadly force to defend yousefl. That is cool. I guess I just don't understand why you keep posting these? If informing us is your goal, job well done.

I keep on posting articles where law abiding citizens successfully defend themsleves againt thos that would do them harm, you assume I'm all for using deadly force all the time, I'm not but I prefer that deadly force be an option if needed to equalize a threat.
I enjoy posting these articles because it hopefully gets people thinking, it stimulates the brain cells and lets people know that defending yourself(within reason) is not a crime in itself.




I am not questioning you, I just don't remember seeing this much traffic about people shooting other people in defense of seld/properrty. I keep current with news. My guess is you have to look relatively hard to find these stories. So, I ask, why?

Durandal awnsered that one for me(thanks) but I'll send you a link to a blog that is updated daily of success stories where people have defended themselves but the mainstream media choose not to let us know about it, how can they make firearm ownership a taboo subject if we have people saving lives by using them?



I do worry though that lost in all this is the idea that shooting anyone should be last resort. Whatever your view on guns/self defense/etc. - everyone here needs to know that deadly force in defense even of self is last resort kind of stuff. It seems that this concept gets lost in the "i'll pop a cap in anybody I find going through my tool box in the dark" talk so prevalent in these threads.

hank

I don't think I've ever hinted that shooting someone should be the first thing they do, I only advocate using deadly force if needed but if that choice is made it is something you will have to live with the rest of your life, it won't be like running over a cat or killing a bird so I understand the consequences.

Just on another note, I was watching the ITN news last night and they were talking about PS2 games and the violence, at one point the newscaster asked the guy why they don't ban violent videos games, I about choked, here we go, another frickin ban on life, one step closer to Oceania :cantbeli:

[Laconian]

In most jurisdictions, the use of deadly force to protect property is illegal. Hence, a guy you catch breaking into your car, in most situations is a property crime, and you can't use deadly force in that situation. However, robbery (either strong arm or aggravated) is considered a "crime against persons," and can be defended by using force. Again, this depends on jurisdictions, there are some places where the victim has a duty to retreat (even in their own home) before using force. There are other places where the citizen does not face those requirements.

In this case, the woman could reasonably believe, based on the facts she knew at the time, that the suspect had intended to do her harm: she complied with demands for money, but instead of escaping he ordered her from a position of relative safety (behind the counter) to a position of disadvantage (on his side of the counter). At that point she could use force to defend herself, not protect the store's money, which she did. Good on her.

Unfortunately, the scumbag will try to sue...and the poor lady will suffer not only the emotional scars of a deadly force incident, but have to deal with the legal hassles as well. Those can be a traumatic as the incident itself...