My AI-700 TW CADPAT Rifle Project.

[Skullboy]

Finally finished (well almost) the rebuild of my AICS Rem700.

http://img27.exs.cx/img27/2786/dsc044919es.jpg
http://img76.exs.cx/img76/3042/dsc044985ij.jpg
http://img76.exs.cx/img76/2403/dsc044968dm.jpg
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Here are the specs:

-Rem700 PSS action that was bluedprinted & trued.
-Dlask Arms Corp. Tactical Bolt handle.
-McPhee AMTU Contour 26.5" long Stainless Steel barrel with a 1 in 11.3" twist.Chambered in .308Win.
-Accuracy International AICS chassis.
-Leupold Mark IV one piece base.Base & reciever were drilled & tapped for 6 X 40 screws.
-Badger Ordnance Max-50 rings.
-Leupold Mark IV 16X scope with luminous mildot reticle.
-MWG Anti Cant device.
-Canadian Army C3A1 handstop.
-Harris Bipod.
-Damage Inc. Custom Camo TW CADPAT paint scheme.

The action still has to be bedded in the chassis.I just wanted to get it together for some pics and see how she looked!!

SKBY.

[Minjin]

Looks great!! I wasnt sure on the first pic but it is just the flash/glare that threw me off, the closeups look tremendous. Nice work. Definitely something to be proud of.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Very nice work, it takes alot of time and detail to do that.

[tenda]

....great job....!!!!! ;)

[TacoDelRio]

Looks good. How durable are those AICS Chassis's?

[MEGR]

Sweet camo job! Although I wouldn't mind just having the rifle itself!

[Zeknix]

Although I am not a fan of CADPAT, I do like the pattern on the gun. Its lighter than CADPAT. Personally I think CADPAT is too dark and green, but to each its own. Good work. That takes a lot of work, and that automatically deserves respect in itself.

[HoboWithAK]

In my opinion, you missed the entire point of camo'ing a weapon. It is to break up the outline. If you look at that weapon from one hundred yards away, it is going to blurr into one color and stand out. Just look how much of a bigger scale CADPAT is to your recreation. The whole reason for the box look is to try and make no visable line that seperates one color to the next. You have the right idea (in copying CADPAT), but you implemented wrong.

[Otsoa]

Hmm, never figured I'd see you on this forum Skullboy. And as stated before on CGN, beautiful work. Can't wait to see your new designs :D

[Skullboy]

In my opinion, you missed the entire point of camo'ing a weapon. It is to break up the outline. If you look at that weapon from one hundred yards away, it is going to blurr into one color and stand out. Just look how much of a bigger scale CADPAT is to your recreation. The whole reason for the box look is to try and make no visable line that seperates one color to the next. You have the right idea (in copying CADPAT), but you implemented wrong.

Funny, the CADPAT shapes on the rifle were traced directly from actual CADPAT material, so the sizes match my uniform perfectly.The only difference is that I use dark brown that the original CADPAT uniforms used instead of the pinkish brown the new version uses.

Form what I was told, the CADPAT pattern is made the way it is to help break up/hide the image when seen through Night vision Devices.Due to the fact that night vision images are pixaleted.

I have also done this camo scheme for several Candian army members who are very happy with the results.I also have a AR(Desert)CADPAT McMillan stock serving over in IRAQ with a Contractor.No complaints from him either.

If you stand far enough back, the rifle does disappear infront of my CADPAT sheet.

SKBY.

[HoboWithAK]

Funny, the CADPAT shapes on the rifle were traced directly from actual CADPAT material, so the sizes match my uniform perfectly.The only difference is that I use dark brown that the original CADPAT uniforms used instead of the pinkish brown the new version uses.

That's a BIG negative, SKYB. The sizes of the pixels may be the same, but the pattern is not- notice how in the CADPAT sheet you have lying behind it has a flow to it? I'll show you.

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/1194/capatcomp8xf.jpg

See what I mean? I used blue boxes to outline. The fabric drape you have does a job of breaking up the outline. I also circled an area to the left in an olive color that is just a blur of colors. I was very generous with your rifle chassis- in reality, it is just a blur. No real breakup like the actual CADPAT has. Sure, maybe at under 50 yards, but I don't see it working to break up the outline at 100 plus.


Form what I was told, the CADPAT pattern is made the way it is to help break up/hide the image when seen through Night vision Devices.Due to the fact that night vision images are pixaleted.

Oh, probably. I was told other, but I believe you.


I have also done this camo scheme for several Candian army members who are very happy with the results.I also have a AR(Desert)CADPAT McMillan stock serving over in IRAQ with a Contractor.No complaints from him either.

Probably because he doesn't notice, doesn't care, or doesn't want to complain. I'm just letting you know for the next time you do a weapon. Color matching is one thing that will be more noticeable in an enviroment at long range. Black will stand out more than a blob of correctly matched tan in a desert enviroment. However, the next thing that I see is the breakup. With a blob, you have none.


If you stand far enough back, the rifle does disappear infront of my CADPAT sheet.

Yes, it disappears into a blob. There is no breakup of the outline, unless you can proove me wrong with another picture. Besides, the combat enviroment isn't plastered with CADPAT wallpaper, is it? Go set that baby in multiple places outside, and take pictures from at least 100 yards away, preferably at multiple ranges. Then we can truely see if it works like it should, or not.

Here are some better examples of camo jobs that break up outlines.

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Gulf_War_2_Iraqi_Freedom_Army_Special_Forces/ussf3434.jpg

Click on this baby. Too big to put here. http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Gulf_War_2_Iraqi_Freedom_Marines/aai.jpg

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Gulf_War_2_Iraqi_Freedom_Marines/usmc195_001.jpg




http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/snipers/special%20forces119.jpg
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This shows a rifle with mostly just one solid color. This works with color matching, like your rifle would, but not a breakup of the obvious unnatural lines.

http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/snipers/special%20forces268.jpg

[Skullboy]

Funny, the CADPAT shapes on the rifle were traced directly from actual CADPAT material, so the sizes match my uniform perfectly.The only difference is that I use dark brown that the original CADPAT uniforms used instead of the pinkish brown the new version uses.

That's a BIG negative, SKYB. The sizes of the pixels may be the same, but the pattern is not- notice how in the CADPAT sheet you have lying behind it has a flow to it? I'll show you.

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/1194/capatcomp8xf.jpg

See what I mean? I used blue boxes to outline. The fabric drape you have does a job of breaking up the outline. I also circled an area to the left in an olive color that is just a blur of colors. I was very generous with your rifle chassis- in reality, it is just a blur. No real breakup like the actual CADPAT has. Sure, maybe at under 50 yards, but I don't see it working to break up the outline at 100 plus.


Form what I was told, the CADPAT pattern is made the way it is to help break up/hide the image when seen through Night vision Devices.Due to the fact that night vision images are pixaleted.

Oh, probably. I was told other, but I believe you.


I have also done this camo scheme for several Candian army members who are very happy with the results.I also have a AR(Desert)CADPAT McMillan stock serving over in IRAQ with a Contractor.No complaints from him either.

Probably because he doesn't notice, doesn't care, or doesn't want to complain. I'm just letting you know for the next time you do a weapon. Color matching is one thing that will be more noticeable in an enviroment at long range. Black will stand out more than a blob of correctly matched tan in a desert enviroment. However, the next thing that I see is the breakup. With a blob, you have none.


If you stand far enough back, the rifle does disappear infront of my CADPAT sheet.

Yes, it disappears into a blob. There is no breakup of the outline, unless you can proove me wrong with another picture. Besides, the combat enviroment isn't plastered with CADPAT wallpaper, is it? Go set that baby in multiple places outside, and take pictures from at least 100 yards away, preferably at multiple ranges. Then we can truely see if it works like it should, or not.

Here are some better examples of camo jobs that break up outlines.

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Gulf_War_2_Iraqi_Freedom_Army_Special_Forces/ussf3434.jpg

Click on this baby. Too big to put here. http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Gulf_War_2_Iraqi_Freedom_Marines/aai.jpg

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Gulf_War_2_Iraqi_Freedom_Marines/usmc195_001.jpg




http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/snipers/special%20forces119.jpg
^^
This shows a rifle with mostly just one solid color. This works with color matching, like your rifle would, but not a breakup of the obvious unnatural lines.

http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/snipers/special%20forces268.jpg

I tend to differ the pattern layout with every stock/weapon I do so that no two stocks/weapons look alike.I have done sparser patterns, and busier patterns.

But I thank you for your constructive critisim.I will keep your suggestions in mind for future use.

I will leave you with this;

I have had comments from actual serving USMC Scout Snipers who have commented VERY positively on my CADPAT renditions(this one included).

Regards, SKBY.

P.S. The larger black blobs you circled are actual runs in the pattern when it was screened.That sheet is a "second".That's how I got it.

[BlitZ933]

Very nice weapon Skullboy. Once you get everything permanetly together, you'll have to post some pix of the groups you get =). .308 should be good to at least 500yds in that setup for 6in groups, probably capable of basketball sized groups out to 1000. But I'm curious to see how well yours actually does in testing =).

BTW: how did you do the CADPAT pattern exactly? I'd be interested in a writeup of how to paint one.

[CRAZY MERC]

What paint did you use? And anybody knows where can I buy Harris bipod shorter than 6" with swivel action?

[Otsoa]

For those who want to know how Skullboy did the paint and what paints he used, here's some info from him from another thread.


Yes, I use an airbrush.

For the digital patterns, I use hand cut templates I made by tracing out the pattern from actual CADPAT material samples on to clear overhead projector sheets.

They are re-usable, and clean up really nice with laquer thinner.

SKBY.


When I originally painted this rifle it was in "Realtree" camo done with plain Krylon paint.The painr was a year old and there were no issues with the barrel heating up.I had done strings of 10 to 20 shots and even though the barrel got REALLY hot, the paint was unaffected.

What I do now is use a special 1500 degree exhuast paint as the primer for barrels & actions.

For base coats I still use good ol' Krylon.

It is hard to get Duracoat up here in Canada.It is also a lot more expensive.I can get Gun-Kote, but I don't have the equipment to bake the finish.

As far a durability goes, I have not had a problem with any of the stocks or rifles I have painted.

SKBY.
the Krylon he uses often comes in a can marked Krylon camo iirc. Hope this helps

[HoboWithAK]

I had thought they were too large, but I still think that the pattern is bigger and flows a tad longer for a reason. No problem, no insulting on your job coming from me.

[pcsutton@insightbb.com]

This is a first attempt with cheap paint on a cheap handgun. The real item looks a bit better than the pictures. Anyway....what do y'all think?

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/album76/aaa

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[pcsutton@insightbb.com]

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/pcsutton

[canuck556]

Awesome pic, did you see the new C7A2 and how it's camouflaged?Props again, that's some piece of work.