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VladRussianArms
12-10-2004, 03:35 AM
http://russianarms.info/1/200.jpg

If it is interesting to you, you can see many photos and information as here
http://russianarms.info/v-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?p=708#708

TacoDelRio
12-10-2004, 03:41 AM
I like that mega-capacity magazine.

DeltaWhisky58
12-10-2004, 04:11 AM
Hmmm............looks like three barrels too! Firing-port weaon for APC defence?

earl
12-10-2004, 04:20 AM
sweet mercy.

drGreen
12-10-2004, 04:32 AM
nice

Lazy Lob
12-10-2004, 04:46 AM
http://russianarms.info/1/202.jpg

Where do they put the firing pin? There's no room behind the magazine.

Raistlin
12-10-2004, 04:51 AM
Wow, that's a lot to translate.

Lazy Lob
12-10-2004, 04:53 AM
What happened to that post beating me over the head???

Raistlin
12-10-2004, 04:54 AM
Maybe the patron is somehow moved forward before firing.

Raistlin
12-10-2004, 04:55 AM
What happened to that post beating me over the head???
I didn't post that...

Lazy Lob
12-10-2004, 05:01 AM
What happened to that post beating me over the head???
I didn't post that...

I know it wasn't you. Its 09:00 hrs here and I maybe not fully awake but....bugger, I thought I was seeing things.

Carlos
12-10-2004, 07:49 AM
http://russianarms.info/1/202.jpg

Where do they put the firing pin? There's no room behind the magazine.

As far as I know (not having had the time to translate the russian text right now) this thing was a prop for a movie or something...

...can anybody probably confirm or correct this?


"Carlos"

Hullebullen
12-10-2004, 07:56 AM
Anyone speaking russian mind telling us what these guns are? Nice find Vlad, BTW...

Dima-RussianArms
12-10-2004, 07:57 AM
No, it was the first "bullpup", designed in 1946.

http://russianarms.info/1/205.jpg

drGreen
12-10-2004, 08:00 AM
it was me, sorry didnt read it correct thought u ment the trigger the other thing is in the middle

tenda
12-10-2004, 08:11 AM
,....very interesting's project's tnx...!!!! :lol:

Onyks
12-10-2004, 08:17 AM
Indeed very interesting, the 1946 bullpup looks really nice for its time.

VladRussianArms
12-10-2004, 08:21 AM
http://russianarms.info/1/202.jpg

Where do they put the firing pin? There's no room behind the magazine.

As far as I know (not having had the time to translate the russian text right now) this thing was a prop for a movie or something...

...can anybody probably confirm or correct this?


"Carlos"

This real weapon!!!

DeathBeforeDishonor
12-10-2004, 08:23 AM
very interesting, thanks for sharing, anyone got any info in english?

Lazy Lob
12-10-2004, 08:25 AM
it was me, sorry didnt read it correct thought u ment the trigger the other thing is in the middle

No problem mate. I've put the web page through Altavista Babelfish and it doesn't say much about the gun. A fake? Cannot see how that layout can possibly work.

szr
12-10-2004, 08:25 AM
http://russianarms.info/1/200.jpg

If it is interesting to you, you can see many photos and information as here
http://russianarms.info/v-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?p=708#708Man, only Russia would try something like that. You've got to love it! woot

Lazy Lob
12-10-2004, 08:27 AM
This real weapon!!!

How does the firing mechanism work?

VladRussianArms
12-10-2004, 10:02 AM
very interesting, thanks for sharing, anyone got any info in english?

I think, that my friends will make transfer(translation) on English

VladRussianArms
12-10-2004, 10:06 AM
This real weapon!!!

How does the firing mechanism work?

I did not see it really. This photo from the military Russian log-book. This weapon is in a museum of weapon in Tula.
Probably in the future I shall visit this museum. I shall do(make) there many photos and this weapon too.

Azide
12-10-2004, 12:46 PM
If this is the first "bullpup" does that mean the russians where the first to come up with this kind of design?

Freibier
12-10-2004, 12:50 PM
wow, cool pics woot
thanks !

VAC
12-10-2004, 02:01 PM
I had a guy at work translate the text from the other forum.
The bull-pup name is the name of the weapon scheme not the actual gun.
The designer was named German Korobov an egineer by trade.
The gun was pretty advanced for the time. During WW2 The Soviet Union was looking for a new weapon system and asked some people to start designing a new machine gun for infantry.
It probably wasn't made in mass quantities due to politics at the time.

If anyone has anymore questions about the post in the other forum ask away and I'll have my friend translate.

Lazy Lob
12-10-2004, 02:27 PM
That mechanism has got me wound up. ;) The only thing I can think of is that the whole barrel reciprocates with the breach independently of the main body. On loading the breach would slide onto the next round instead of the round being pushed into the breach. This must have placed large loads on the user....or not?

Any thoughts anyone?

ElHombre
12-10-2004, 02:52 PM
http://russianarms.info/1/200.jpg

this gives an entirely new meaning to the word 'impractical'. :lol:

imagine having to carry around the ammo load for this!

Uncle Sam
12-10-2004, 02:54 PM
Those are some odd, but interesting weapons.

big80a2
12-10-2004, 03:02 PM
http://russianarms.info/1/200.jpg

this gives an entirely new meaning to the word 'impractical'. :lol:

imagine having to carry around the ammo load for this!
looks like a gun used to schoot running targets
if this gun was issued it would have it's one squad role. The soldier carrying it would be an AM (anti movement) soldier. :P

REMOV
12-10-2004, 03:13 PM
If this is the first "bullpup" does that mean the russians where the first to come up with this kind of design?Nope. Korobov's TKB-408 was the first bullpup design assault rifle in Russia and rival of the Kalashnikov's AK. All of the weapons pictures posted here are designed by Korobov (the person on the picture below).

http://russianarms.info/1/204.jpg
Korobov with his 7,62 mm TKB-408 and 5,6 mm TKB-022 PM5 rifles.
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regards,
REMOV

REMOV
12-10-2004, 03:56 PM
http://russianarms.info/1/202.jpg
As far as I know (...) this thing was a prop for a movie or something...Nope, this is a real weapon, designed in 1962, 5,6 mm (that's why the magazine is a bit different) TKB-022 PM5 assault rifle.
____________
regards,
REMOV

Werewolf01
12-10-2004, 04:16 PM
http://russianarms.info/1/200.jpg

If it is interesting to you, you can see many photos and information as here
http://russianarms.info/v-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?p=708#708


You don't suppose this is some engineer's gross physical miscalculation of a demand for "3 round burst"?

REMOV
12-10-2004, 04:45 PM
You don't suppose this is some engineer's gross physical miscalculation of a demand for "3 round burst"?Ekhm... the прибор ЗБ is a Russian answer for American three or five barrel rifles developed in SALVO project. The idea of both projects was to increase hit probability.

http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/bullpup/_SALVO(300)BW.jpg
Springfield Armory three-barrel SALVO rifle prototype
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regards,
REMOV

Werewolf01
12-10-2004, 05:02 PM
You don't suppose this is some engineer's gross physical miscalculation of a demand for "3 round burst"?Ekhm... the прибор ЗБ is a Russian answer for American three or five barrel rifles developed in SALVO project. The idea of both projects was to increase hit probability.

http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/bullpup/_SALVO(300)BW.jpg
Springfield Armory three-barrel SALVO rifle prototype
____________
regards,
REMOV

We also had another brilliant idea in the from of a shot disperser (i.e. de-accurizer) for the M1 Garand. If I can find info I will link it.

Mr.Russian
12-10-2004, 06:51 PM
http://russianarms.info/1/200.jpg




оху... *me falls under the chair*


... sissies who where calling AK-47 an "evil-looking" weapon obviously didn't see this one

Virus
12-10-2004, 08:31 PM
i would **** myself if i had that pointed at me :O

KaceCoyote
12-10-2004, 08:33 PM
This may be a long shot but anyway we could get footage of that thing going after it?

Mr.Russian
12-10-2004, 10:37 PM
i would **** myself if i had that pointed at me :O

just think about a bayonet for that thing... also with increased hit probability...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v144/Mr.Russian/bayonet.jpg

Marmot1
12-10-2004, 11:32 PM
i would **** myself if i had that pointed at me :O

just think about a bayonet for that thing... also with increased hit probability...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v144/Mr.Russian/bayonet.jpg

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

Azide
12-11-2004, 12:09 AM
If this is the first "bullpup" does that mean the russians where the first to come up with this kind of design?Nope. Korobov's TKB-408 was the first bullpup design assault rifle in Russia and rival of the Kalashnikov's AK. All of the weapons pictures posted here are designed by Korobov

Your contradicting yourself. Are you saying its not the first bulplop, or just that the designers are different?

Anyway here is more info on the bullpup's http://world.guns.ru/assault/as20-e.htm

sergey31
12-11-2004, 02:56 AM
Sci Fi rifle, looks like something from Sci Fi comic books or novels.
http://russianarms.info/1/201.jpg

American Patriot
12-11-2004, 03:12 AM
Jesus, that thing is butt ugly.

usm2b
12-11-2004, 04:11 AM
http://russianarms.info/1/200.jpg

If it is interesting to you, you can see many photos and information as here
http://russianarms.info/v-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?p=708#708

hehe...guess this one was inspired by "give em' 3 to the chest"

REMOV
12-11-2004, 05:35 AM
Are you saying its not the first bulplop, or just that the designers are different?The first bullpup design rifle was created in 1901 in UK by Briton J.B. Thorneycroft. The first submachinegun was patented in 1936 by Frenchman H. Delacre. The first mass produced bullpup design weapon was... Czech antitank rifle designed for Waffen-SS, 7,92 mm M.SS-41 in 1941. The first modern assault rifle (fed - ironic - by German-made intermediate ammunition 7,92 mm x 33 Kurz) and battle rifle (7,92 mm x 57) were also created in UK by S. Thorpe, Korczak and S.K. Janson (J****zewski) in mid 40 (during a WWII). The Russian 7,62 mm TKB-408 designed by Korobov wasn't the first assault rifle or battle rifle in the world, but was the first such weapon in the Russia. Yes, TKB-408 beat British EM-1/2 but it wasn't the first bullpup. So tell me once again, where am I contradicting myself? ;)
Anyway here is more info on the bullpup'sEkhm... no offence but Russians like Americans have got very self-centered attitude ;)

Carlos
12-13-2004, 04:53 AM
http://russianarms.info/1/202.jpg
As far as I know (...) this thing was a prop for a movie or something...Nope, this is a real weapon, designed in 1962, 5,6 mm (that's why the magazine is a bit different) TKB-022 PM5 assault rifle.
____________
regards,
REMOV

Would you please care and try to explain to me how the operating system is meant to work? :|

Actually my imagination does seem to lack a bit because I can't exactly... :oops:

DeathBeforeDishonor
12-13-2004, 07:42 AM
i would **** myself if i had that pointed at me :O

just think about a bayonet for that thing... also with increased hit probability...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v144/Mr.Russian/bayonet.jpg

rofl rofl rofl

Azide
12-13-2004, 05:32 PM
So tell me once again, where am I contradicting myself? ;)

Read your responce to my post and you will see, and thanks for clearing up information about the first bullpups, even though your being a **** about it.