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KB
12-11-2004, 09:20 AM
The Daily Telegraph
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in The Hague
(Filed: 11/12/2004)

An exodus of native-born Dutch in search of a new life abroad has reversed immigration flows for the first time since the post-war era.

Last year more people left the Netherlands than arrived as migrants or asylum seekers, even though unemployment remains low at 4.7 percent and per capita income is higher than any major country in Europe.

Lawyers, accountants, computer specialist, nurses, and businessmen are lining up for visas to the English-speaking world, looking to Australia, New Zealand and Canada as orderly societies where people have the space to breathe.

The new wave of "middle-class flight" has quickened this year following rising ethnic violence and crime committed by and against immigrants, and in response to fears that social order is breaking down. In the first six months there was a net outflow of 13,313 people.

They are disengaging from a multicultural experiment once hailed as the model for the world but now stretched to breaking point. They are also escaping traffic jams and chronic over-crowding.

Requests for visa information have exploded since the murder of Theo van Gogh, a Dutch film-maker and acerbic critic of Muslim views on women.

An all-party report by the Dutch parliament this year concluded that the country's immigration policy had been a failure, leading to sink schools and ethnic ghettoes.

The Netherlands has been transformed in barely 30 years from a tight-knit Christian society into a polyethnic state, with three million people of immigrant background

EvanL
12-11-2004, 12:07 PM
tons of Dutch in Canada. Especially since WW2. The Dutch Queen was born in Ottawa. Same hospital as me.

Graspol
12-11-2004, 12:19 PM
I have to rectify this. It was not our Queen Beatrix who was born in Ottawa,but her younger sister Princess Margriet.

EvanL
12-11-2004, 12:25 PM
Thanks for the rectification. The whole Dutch Royal family was evacuated to Canada during WW2. And every year theDutch send millions of Tulips to Canada to honour us.
They are truly wonderful people, even though i hate tulips.

2Sheds_Jackson
12-11-2004, 12:28 PM
That's very interesting. It's a lot like what happens in most major cites - as conditions deteriorate with crime etc. those with the means will leave the city and resettle elsewhere. I guess maybe the Netherlands is comparable to an "urban" environment now? I didn't know that things had gotten to a point sufficient to cause a reversal of immigration flows.

The consequences can be pretty dramatic. As the high wage earners leave, the tax base collapses and - well take a look at your average city and compare it to the quality of life in the suburbs where the money lives.

EvanL
12-11-2004, 12:29 PM
I wanna see Haiws views on all of this.

Graspol
12-11-2004, 12:45 PM
Thanks for the rectification. The whole Dutch Royal family was evacuated to Canada during WW2. And every year theDutch send millions of Tulips to Canada to honour us.
They are truly wonderful people, even though i hate tulips.


Thanks mate! To be honest, i hate tulips too! And windmills!
There's a bit more than just that, to Holland :roll:

EvanL
12-11-2004, 12:47 PM
Thanks for the rectification. The whole Dutch Royal family was evacuated to Canada during WW2. And every year theDutch send millions of Tulips to Canada to honour us.
They are truly wonderful people, even though i hate tulips.


Thanks mate! To be honest, i hate tulips too! And windmills!
There's a bit more than just that, to Holland :roll:
yeh like Clogs!

Midav
12-11-2004, 12:53 PM
Some people call this area where I live New Holland. That's in northern New Mexico.

Quite a few Dutch live out here. Aussies as well, actually. :)

Graspol
12-11-2004, 01:22 PM
Thanks for the rectification. The whole Dutch Royal family was evacuated to Canada during WW2. And every year theDutch send millions of Tulips to Canada to honour us.
They are truly wonderful people, even though i hate tulips.


Thanks mate! To be honest, i hate tulips too! And windmills!
There's a bit more than just that, to Holland :roll:
yeh like Clogs!


That's why my nickname umong my British army collegues Cloggie is..

perdurabo
12-11-2004, 01:49 PM
Thanks for the rectification. The whole Dutch Royal family was evacuated to Canada during WW2. And every year theDutch send millions of Tulips to Canada to honour us.
They are truly wonderful people, even though i hate tulips.


Thanks mate! To be honest, i hate tulips too! And windmills!
There's a bit more than just that, to Holland :roll:
guys search your(Duch) export/import tables and search for tullips and tullips seeds (??)you will be amazed from where moust of Duch tullips come i can only say that first letter of that country is "P" ;)

Graspol
12-11-2004, 02:47 PM
It happens everywhere and with every merchandise around the world.
Check the bottom of let's say a mini Statue of Liberty. 9 out of ten times it says: made in China, Hongkong,Taiwan etc.
So i'm not surprised even tulips come from beautiful Poland... ;)

big80a2
12-11-2004, 04:13 PM
yeah my time has also almost come to leave the Lowlands

Phil642
12-11-2004, 05:06 PM
This is because the sea level is raising.

We have a lot of Dutch immigrants in our Belgian Highlands.

MEGR
12-11-2004, 05:12 PM
Can't imagine a town fulls of Haiws. It makes me shudder.

Digital Marine
12-11-2004, 06:00 PM
iam not alone p-)

Leadenlegacy
12-11-2004, 06:41 PM
I will be there with you woot

memphiz
12-12-2004, 01:23 AM
Yeah I told Haiw to go to Canada

Wodan
12-13-2004, 02:29 PM
Thanks mate! To be honest, i hate tulips too! And windmills!

might be the reason so many people leave the nederlands :lol: