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GLax

10-10-2003, 12:42 PM

http://www.drum.army.mil/division/2nd_bde/2-22/images/Training/MOUT1.jpg

http://www.drum.army.mil/division/2nd_bde/2-22/images/Training/MOUT2.jpg

http://www.drum.army.mil/division/2nd_bde/2-22/images/Training/MOUT3.jpg

http://www.drum.army.mil/division/2nd_bde/2-22/images/Training/MOUT4.jpg

was browsin around and found some images i havnt seen here... enjoy :D

Dennis G

10-10-2003, 07:31 PM

I can’t believe that you didn’t get any replies yet anyway they are cool photos.

My favorite is
http://www.drum.army.mil/division/2nd_bde/2-22/images/Training/MOUT3.jpg

James

10-11-2003, 12:34 AM

Why aren't they wearing body armor?

Vance

10-11-2003, 12:39 AM

Probably because it's MILES

James

10-11-2003, 12:47 AM

Never the less...

I think they should train with the weight they would really be carrying, and a bit extra. Just a thought...

96B

10-11-2003, 01:14 AM

Train as you fight, fight as you train...

Gordon

10-11-2003, 04:57 AM

doesn't the saying go something like - "train hard, fight easy".

MSG Dman

10-11-2003, 01:31 PM

Good point.

In my 8 years assigned to 10th Mountain, I only wore body armor on a grenade assault course, and trench live fire. All other times we left it in the rear.

The problem with this is as soon as we deployed for real, we were required to wear the body armor. In Somalia the heat was unbearable, and we were not used to wearing the body armor becasue we rarely trained in it.

I have read several good AAR's from Enduring Freedom, and several senior NCO's have mentioned the importance of training in the body armor. After Anaconda, soldiers had a very difficult time in the high elevations wearing gear they had hardly ever worn before.

I expect in the future, grunts will train a lot more wearing the armor.

Sirpad

10-11-2003, 05:25 PM

GearGod

10-11-2003, 10:17 PM

Roger that about the body armor:

would also recommend wearing the body armor during all training, I doubt if we'll ever fight without it again. It significantly affects everything that you do.

http://www.geocities.com/usarmyafghangearproblems/
Ever since that new-issue Interceptor came out I believe they have been training with it now-- If anyone seen that MTV special before they went to Iraq they were training with the armor on.

NcDeuce

10-12-2003, 08:02 PM

http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/uploads/large/mout.jpg

"Can you hear me now"

rofl

Not

FallenAngel

10-12-2003, 10:59 PM

Never the less...

I think they should train with the weight they would really be carrying, and a bit extra. Just a thought...

That's why roman legionares trained with wooden swords that weighed twice what their gladius' weighed

GLax

10-12-2003, 11:29 PM

is it just me or do those soldiers look alot different from the 10th Mountain soldiers we saw during their operations in afghanistan last year?

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/10th_Mountain_Division

it just seems like theyre much better equiped now. but maybe its just me.. have a good one :D

GearGod

10-12-2003, 11:37 PM

TF160SOAR: Where'd you get that photo? That's the best 10th MTN photo I've seen in the history of 10th MTN photos!

Jack Mehoff

10-13-2003, 12:30 AM

http://www.drum.army.mil/division/2nd_bde/2-22/images/Training/MOUT3.jpg

I just can't stop wandering - why do those guys run around with plasticuffs hanging from their LBV?! its just begging to snag on doorknobs and just about everything else - and please, PLEASE dont give me the "ready for quick use" answer!
i know mine were safely stored inside my combat vest...

Those guys are doing MACDIS and MOUT at the same time. I assume those guys are part of a Quick Reaction Force during a MACDIS. You could tell that they have riot control plexy glass face guards attached to their brain buckets. They also carry zip ties and use that as handcuffs. Chances of their zip ties get caught on the door knob is just as likely their LBE get caught on the door knob.

NcDeuce

10-13-2003, 01:25 AM

Somewhere off army.mil or whatever...was really bord and ran into this. I was like oh wow nice pic! Gotta use it[/quote]

AirZone

10-13-2003, 05:09 AM

whats so special about the 10th mountain ?
can some one bring me a little history about them ? im pretty cerious...

MSG Dman

10-13-2003, 07:06 AM

Nothing special about them, just some real hard working grunts who get sent on virtuly every real world mission that comes up.

They are the most deployed division in the US Army. No that is not my opinion becasue I was there, it is a fact.

In just the last 10 years:

Somalia
Bosnia
Kosovo
Afghanastan
Haiti

In addition, small elements of the Division have been in both Gulf Wars. They did not play a big part in the Gulf Wars becasue they are light, and were better suited for the missions above. Also factor in the rotations to NTC, JRTC, Sinai etc, and you have some very busy soldiers.

There are Army Divisions that havnt deployed even half as much as this.

kyote

10-13-2003, 07:13 AM

I see this guy has a Ranger scroll on his right. Can he only do that because he saw combat while in the regiment? Or can any Ranger wear their scroll after being reassigned?http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/uploads/large/mout.jpg

GearGod

10-13-2003, 07:25 AM

I beleive they all wear thier past unit's patch on their right - Question - What does 10th MTN do? They're Light Infantry but what do they do?

*EDIT* Read up on some intel about them http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/10mtn.htm - Found out they do a variety of infantry operations inlcluding "mountain" alpine type missions

MSG Dman

10-13-2003, 08:50 AM

He saw combat as an assigned member of the 75th Ranger Regiment, but then transfered to 10th Mountain Division. This is common.

GearGod

10-13-2003, 08:52 AM

What if he didnt "see" combat? Does that mean he cannot wear the scroll on the right?

MSG Dman

10-13-2003, 08:58 AM

It is a "combat " patch. It is only given when your unit deploys. You would not wear a patch on that shoulder if you havn't been to combat. Some people have multiple patches, I have 3 and have a different one on each uniform so I switch it up.

GearGod

10-13-2003, 12:41 PM

Ohh I get it; I originally thought that when one switches from one unit to another, the previous unit patch would go on the right to "make room" for the current unit patch. Example: One joins 75th for 6 years then be a squad leader for 101st. He puts the 75th scroll on right to make space for the 101st patch etc. What would happen if you did not see combat with a unit but switched units? Does that mean both patches will be on the left sleeve? Hmmm

MSG Dman

10-13-2003, 01:04 PM

You NEVER wear the patch from your last unit unless you went to combat with that unit. The day you sign out of that unit you cut it off and sew the patch of your new unit on.

kyote

10-13-2003, 02:06 PM

Thanks for the answer MSG Dman. :)

StarvingStudent47

10-13-2003, 05:15 PM

whats so special about the 10th mountain ?
can some one bring me a little history about them ? im pretty cerious...

They started in WWII as infantry trained in mountaineering and especially skiing--largely a response to the success of the Finnish ski soldiers during the Winter War with the USSR. Here's a photo of a 10th Mountain ski patrol from 1945:
http://www.drum.army.mil/history/images/skiptrol.jpg

They lost the skiing emphasis in the 1950s and have since become just a hardcore army division. They're not even based in Colorado anymore (a very mountainous state in the western USA--I grew up there, it's beautiful). THey're not special forces, but they're just one step below. They definitely have a reputation as being more than just your run-of-the-mill GIs.

Another link for unit history, focusing on the earlier stuff:
http://www.drum.army.mil/history/divisionhistory.htm

Haiw

10-13-2003, 05:50 PM

don't nail me on it, but as far as i heard they practically got the same training as the 101st, only difference being that in the 101 theres more chopper stuff, but the whole infantry stuff is completely the same..

GearGod

10-13-2003, 06:19 PM

So how do they deploy then? 101st does helicopter assaults, 82nd does parachutes, 3rd ID does stuff with their APCs, etc. What about 10th MTN? I've seen them in their APCs in Black Hawk Down but that's about it. So if there were to be a "best" infantry unit second to the 75th Ranger Regiment would it be safe to say 10th MTN?

Adam

MSG Dman

10-13-2003, 07:02 PM

10th Mountain inserts into combat via LPC's.

(Leather Personel Carriers)

MSG Dman

10-13-2003, 07:10 PM

Since were talking about 10th Mountain, here is a link to a unit at Drum's photo page. It will give you an idea what they do on a daily basis.

http://www.drum.army.mil/division/1st_bde/1-32inf/Images/B_Pics/B_Photos.htm

MSG Dman

10-13-2003, 07:14 PM

Another link to pictures. Includes a good mortar pic.

http://www.drum.army.mil/division/1st_bde/1-32inf/Images/HHC_Pics/HHC_Photos.htm

MSG Dman

10-13-2003, 07:24 PM

Last one, nice pics of a trench live fire at Ft Drum. Range 24.

http://www.drum.army.mil/division/2nd_bde/2-14/photo3.html

GLax

10-13-2003, 10:20 PM

i wouldnt say theyre the best in the Army, but they are the best at what they do, mountain fighting, hence the name and hence the deployments to afghanistan... they receive the same infantry training every grunt in the Army gets but when they get to Fort Drum they focus on mountainous terrain..., Drum, in my opinion, is the perfect place for them to train, plenty of smaller mountains to train new guys on and plenty of higher peaks for more advanced climbers/soldier. to add to that its get freakin cold up there. how do i know? i used to live up there...

GearGod

10-13-2003, 10:38 PM

Ah, I think I would hate mountains and snow, especially snow. I think 101st Airborne is the right unit for me.... Since I can't join Rangers because I'm not a citizen etc. Perhaps do 5+ years in 101st, get my citizenship, then join Rangers :D Is it safe to say, then, that the 101st is secondary to the 75th Rangers? I heard someone say that they're doing lots of ranger-type missions etc.

GLax

10-13-2003, 11:30 PM

not a citizen? where are you originally from? welcome to the USA by the way..

Shake n Bake

10-14-2003, 12:19 AM

GearGod

10-14-2003, 12:21 AM

Shake n Bake

10-14-2003, 12:40 AM

I came from Cuba a couple years ago.

tried enlisting in the Army and asked for Ranger option but citizenship was required.. INS is processing my papers and within a year(give or take)I will be sworn in as a naturalize citizen.

GLax

10-14-2003, 12:56 AM

not a citizen? where are you originally from? welcome to the USA by the way..
Malaysia, a country I hate without White People or Airsoft. I've been staying in USA for 6 years so Good Morning rofl

I'm on the same boat, man pesky getting that security clearance without a citizenship..
Roger that; What's your situation?

well welcome anyway damnit! :D wouldnt worry about the snow, or cold underarmour will keep you nice and warm, used it in every football game i ever played in, not to sexy but it keeps u real warm :P

http://www.holabirdsports.com/cgi-bin/search?type=81&group=8&gender=2&manufact=11

Merit

10-14-2003, 02:30 AM

I believe they are authorized to wear the patch of their last unit that particaped in last "War" situation on the right shoulder. He should have been with a Ranger Regiment in combat.

GearGod

10-14-2003, 07:31 AM

GLax

10-14-2003, 04:45 PM

GLax: This whole underarmor thing is confusing me; How does it match up against ultralightweight polypro, lightweight polypro, heavyweight polypro, SPEAR or USMC heavy fleece, and Bivvy Wear? There are so many insulation options its driving me crazy-- But I guess I'll try the GI heavyweight polypro and the lightweight polypro sounds good to me - Guess I'll also experiement with others later

underarmour is something very popular with athletes and hunters alike, i would assume troops too. its extremely light weight. its very tight to the skin so its insulates very well, i cant say i know much about all this other stuff ur talking about, but its prolly very similar and uses thatsame materials that these things use for insulation. i just know that underarmour works very well from my experience. basically underarmour is an like wearing and extra bear of undergarments. and if you layer up, u'd be all set for any cold weather...

GearGod

10-14-2003, 04:50 PM

Guess I'll have to do my own experimentation; Perhaps gear up, run around outside, change, run around, change, run around, etc. till I find the perfect combincation of winter underwear--- However, I think the best and warmest insulation is BIVVY WEAR:

The U.S. Infantryman invading usually a hostile area, has to carry all his needs at least for initial movements on his back; thus he can ill afford afford to carry dead weight items that don't provide useful capabilities. What is little appreciated is that he is always fighting two enemies; the earth's weather/terrain and the enemy. We have known for years that the M65 Field Jacket is not useful in the field to the infantry Soldier; it soaks up water like a sponge and is too heavy for what little warmth it provides when dry. Wearing one in the field in wet-cold conditions got me hypothermia in 1982 and almost sent me to an early grave. Thus, over the years the M65 field jacket has been "retired" by the silent veto power of the Soldier whose life is on the line and can only be seen as a vintage relic on the back of say Sylvester Stallone in the first John Rambo movie as the preferred civilian attire of the contemplative veteran. The only bright spot is that the jacket has a button-in liner that is made of thin polyester batting that is lightweight and warm and compresses into nothing in your buttpack or rucksack. What many Soldiers do is wear the field jacket liner UNDER their BDU shirt in conditions where the temperature drops into the 40s. Its warmer than a polypropylene shirt though it will make you sweat, so the protocol is to march and fight without it, and then when the movement and fighting is over, you put on your derided "snivel gear" for stationary operations. If you freeze to death it isn't a "snivel", is it? The line between "hard ass" and "dumb ass" is a fine one we cross too frequently in the U.S. military.

The problem with the field jacket liner is that its a field jacket liner not a stand-alone insulation layer--it slick nylon slides freely under the BDU as its got no buttons to connect to inside the BDU shirt. So you feel like the "Michelin Man" with the puffy liner under your BDU shirt. When the temperatures drop below freezing, its simply not enough warmth insulation and on goes your ECWCS Gore-Tex® jacket, the polypro and the other thin and light layers of clothing the infantryman can ACTUALLY carry. The Soldier simply cannot afford the weight and space of the ECWCS thick fiber-pile "bear suits", so the end result is you shiver the last few hours of darkness praying for the relief of the sun which cruelly shows up and stirs the cold air molecules and mocks you as your men are even more colder in the dawn light then they were in darkness!

Soldiers, hunters, aviators, campers, boaters, bikers, and outdoorsman are unlikely to carry extra protection if it is heavy and bulky and can only store in a large rucksack. The dangerous result: No cold weather protection gear when it is really needed. The best way to reduce the load and keep warm is by the using high performance lightweight clothing that you can comfortably carry in issued pouches, or stow easily in crew cabin and vehicle spaces. The more compact and packable the gear, the less likely you are to leave cold weather safety clothing behind. Bulky fiber pile and poorly performing fleece garments take huge amounts of storage space are unsuitable for this task and simply are not there when needed.

Fortunately there is a solution--you must realize that a solution is possible since its only a matter of time and effort to where we can achieve the insulating warmth required at the light weight and low bulk to where the items are practical carries by the infantry grunt. It may take several attempts to get to this capability--the earth's weather/terrain challenges fortunately are constants so there is a positive end to this effort if we try.

However, the U.S. military doesn't realize lightweight climate protection is in our grasp through several all-out attempts, all its interested in is replacing what it has now, across the entire force and have it last for 20 years or more so they can buy sexy stuff like V-22s that get chicks into bed. Not realizing the romantic appeal of a night under the stars but kept warm by lightweight warmth gear, its fallen on private industry and largely the British Army to produce a lightweight jacket/pants that are thinner than the field jacket liner and polypro making it possible for the first time for the combat Soldier to actually carry a full-performance insulation layer with him. Brigade Quartermaster's offers the new "Bivy Wear™" jacket/pants/hood made of Dupont's Thermolite® micro insulation to trap warm air at a sub-molecular level so the garment is not puffy as a down or synthetic fiber jacket for easy packing, while being 4 times lighter. Bivvy Wear™ compresses to an incredibly small volume that lets you stow it easily inside the Combat buttpack, assault packs, M249 SAW mag pouches, behind aircraft seats and in vehicles. Its Ideal "kit" for Search & Rescue operations, mountaineering, hunting and other activities.

And like hard-to-beat wool, Bivvy Wear™ keeps warmth even when wet but at a lighter weight. In use by the British Army, its under trials by Finland, the Netherlands, Sweden, Austria, Switzerland, Denmark, Canada, Abu Dhabi Special Forces and UN Peacekeepers. Bivvy Wear™ comes in Olive Drab green but universal brown color would be better as it can be used in desert regions and would match the Army t-shirt color--thus drawing less attention from the nit-picking, uniformity-about-minor-details but important-issues-swept-under-the-rug tyrants endemic to U.S. units, though the current sleeping bag sleep shirt is OD green. I like the Bivvy Wear™ Jacket because it has a zipper and elastic cuffs/pockets so if worn under the BDU shirt where it stays in place, though it has outside water repellency and side pockets to warm hands (I know we don't do this in the U.S. military...but in the field it beats frost bite) for wear as an outer layer in cold-dry conditions.

The lightweight Bivvy Wear™ thermally efficient jacket, trouser and hood are designed primarily for wear beneath Gore-Tex® ECWCS cold wet weather components, duty BDUs, and most any other outerwear. When bivouacking, wear Bivvy Wear™ to increase sleeping bag warmth and gain cargo space by carrying a lighter weight, less bulky sleeping bag system like the Ecotat LWSB-MP.

Bivvy Wear™ is made of high performance, lightweight rip-stop nylon with a middle layer of DuPont’s Thermolite® Micro 200 grams/m2 insulation. This patented blend of ultra-thin synthetic fibers, finer than silk, compresses to an unusually small size, yet deploys with full loft for maximum warmth. Efficient insulation is primarily the result of trapped air held around the body. It is important to have an insulating material, which is highly effective in maintaining the trapped air, but at the same time has minimum bulk and weight. The British MOD Stores & Clothing Research and Development Establishment (SCRDE) conducted testing comparing Bivvy Wear™ against the British Army Service Fleece Thermal Liner (NSN 8415-99-869-5329). The results of the Warmth/Mass ratio shows that Thermolite® Micro was four times more efficient than the Service fleece (21.25 to 5.50) making it far superior to the fleece jackets. The Bivvy Wear™ Jacket provides more warmth than three bulky Service Fleece Jackets!

Whether in combat, field training, on a police stakeout or climbing into a tree stand on a cold morning, a major enemy of the Soldier, police officer, hunter, and outdoorsman is the environment and climatic conditions. To avoid chill, misery and possibly hypothermia after strenuous activity and perspiring in cold zones, an additional intermediate warmth layer of clothing is a matter of life and death. In fact, even in hot climate and desert regions, the night temperature can fall well below freezing, making packable thermal clothing a necessity.

In my earlier article I described a "Combat Light" field living system that uses the buttpack to carry a poncho-tent, OD space blanket and Ecotat Light Weight Sleeping Bag, Multi-Purpose. Even with those items, there is space for a Bivvy Wear™ Jacket but not a lesser-performing M65 Field jacket liner. The Bivvy Wear™ Jacket/Pants should also replace the fiber-pile layer in the next go-around of ECWSCS that's issued to everyone in Force Package I units. But why wait? Go ahead and order at least the Bivvy Wear™ jacket from BQ's www.actiongear.com web site and retire your field jacket liner to a place in the closet with your VHS copy of Rambo: First Blood, part 1, issue field jacket, steel mess kit, shelter-half and other bureaucratic absurdities the Army still issues out, hasn't used in decades but can't seem to let go.

Airborne!

Mike Sparks

eXtreme Soldiering Combat Light Working Group (ESCL-WG)

1st TSG (A)

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/2116/goodbyefieldjacketliner.htm

http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/results.tam?uu=2364261

GLax

10-14-2003, 06:09 PM

whatever floats the boat bud :D

garyfanclub

10-14-2003, 09:04 PM

Underarmor is amazing. I personally use it in lacrosse, particularly March-Early April part of the season here in NJ. It is nice and warm but for some reason i managed to rip it a lot and i wound up replacing it somewhat often.

GLax

10-14-2003, 10:09 PM

lacrosse? geez i thought i was the only one here.. what do you play man?

NcDeuce

10-15-2003, 12:40 AM

underarmour will keep you nice and warm, used it in every football game

LOL, I went out on the Under Armour craze my sophomore year in high school, thought it was pretty nifty...

But I later realized it's not worth the money...Just playing football kept me warm. I went through 2 of those things, once they rip: Goodbye shirt!

I still use Under Armour, but not for warmth, for turf protection! Don't let anybody fool ya...turf sucks! It may make you a tad bit faster but boy it sucks to have turf burn or a chunk ripped out from it.