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Tate
12-13-2004, 02:44 PM
Sorry if this was posted befopre, I didn't see it.

By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


Internal Army documents advocate changing Pentagon rules on mixed-*** units in a way that critics say will risk placing female soldiers in ground-combat situations.
The Nov. 29 briefing to senior Army officers at the Pentagon, presented as part of the service's sweeping transformation of its 10 war-fighting divisions, advocates scrapping the military's ban on collocation — the deployment of mixed-*** noncombat units alongside all-male combat brigades.
The briefing contained the phrase: "The way ahead: rewrite/eliminate the Army collocation policy."
To some in the Army, the confidential briefing proves that the service is moving toward a decision to put women within direct combat units, despite statements denying such plans, including a Nov. 3 Capitol Hill briefing for senior congressional staff members by Army and Pentagon officials.
According to one aide, the Nov. 3 briefers assured the staff members that the Army was complying with the collocation rule and did not want it changed.
"We are not collocating," a senior congressional aide quoted the presenters as saying.
But the Army's Nov. 29 paper suggests otherwise, and critics of the plan, both inside and outside the Army, argue that it is part of an overall plan to override a 1994 policy prohibiting women from serving in direct land combat.
The Pentagon has said it maintains the ban because upper-body strength is needed for land combat and because polls show most female soldiers do not want the policy changed.
Elaine Donnelly, who heads the independent Center for Military Readiness, has sent a letter to Rep. Duncan Hunter, California Republican and House Armed Services Committee chairman, accusing the Army of violating Pentagon rules.
"Female soldiers, including young mothers, should not have to pay the price for Pentagon bureaucratic blunders and gender-based recruiting quotas that have caused apparent shortages in male soldiers for the new land-combat brigades," Mrs. Donnelly said.
"It does not make sense to sacrifice the advantage of modular organizations, just to make ideological points about gender equality. Land combat is not fair or equal, nor is it even civilized," she said.
An Army spokeswoman at the Pentagon said, "It is my understanding that the Nov. 29 briefing was predecisional. There are a number of Army policies under review."
The debate's roots go back to 1994. Impressed with the performance of military women in Operation Desert Storm, the Clinton administration lifted long-standing bans on women in combat aircraft and ships.
But the new policy clearly stated that a prohibition would continue for ground units that participate in direct combat. The 1994 policy also said women would not serve "where units and positions are doctrinally required to physically collocate and remain with direct ground combat units that are closed to women."
Now, the Army's transformation plans include proposals for much tighter mingling of combat and noncombat units.
Gen. Peter Schoomaker, the Army chief of staff, has redesigned the basic combat brigade into self-contained "units of action" that train and deploy with their support teams, including a unit called the Forward Support Company (FSC). Currently, women serve in units that perform the functions of FSCs.
Mrs. Donnelly and Army officials, who asked not to be named, contend that the new design would require the Army to violate the collocation rule. They say federal law requires the military to notify Congress.
But in the Nov. 3 presentation to congressional aides, the Army said it was complying with the collocation rule by attaching the FSC to a brigade support battalion — not to the combat brigade itself. The first redesigned division, the 3rd Infantry at Fort Stewart, Ga., is scheduled to return to Iraq in January.
But Mrs. Donnelly said the change is on paper only. She said that the 3rd Infantry's FSC, which is mixed-***, would have to stay, or collocate, with the combat brigade "100 percent of the time" to do its job in the way the Army envisions.
Even the Army's own documents, previously reported by The Washington Times and labeled "draft close hold," state that this arrangement "could be perceived as subterfuge to avoid reporting requirements" to Congress on changing the policy.
About three weeks after the Nov. 3 briefing, the Army created another internal presentation — this one on why the ban on collocation should be lifted.
The Nov. 29 briefing was prepared by Col. Robert H. Woods Jr., the director of the Human Resources Policy Directorate at the Pentagon. The directorate reports to the deputy chief of staff for personnel. Col. Woods has been nominated for promotion to brigadier general.
The Woods briefing's cover page contains the headline, "Patriotic women of excellence contributing to our force."
After writing that the "way ahead" is to eliminate the collocation rule, the briefing states, "incorporate lessons learned from 3rd [Infantry] into future decisions on policy affecting the assignment and utilization of women soldiers."
Said Mrs. Donnelly: "It appears that certain shortsighted Army officials have decided to ignore the congressional notification law in order to gather 'lessons learned,' which in turn will be used to declare this live-fire, extremely dangerous social experiment a big 'success.' "
The briefing also gives an example of how the Army might get rid of the rule. Army regulations state female soldiers are banned from units "which are assigned a routine mission to engage in direct combat or which collocate routinely with units assigned a direct combat mission."
The proposed change deletes the collocation rule altogether, meaning only direct-combat units are off-limits.
The Army document also states that the 1994 policy concerning the need to notify the Office of the Secretary of Defense is "silent on dropping restrictions."
Mrs. Donnelly said this appears to be an argument for not notifying Pentagon civilians.
"It is preposterous to suggest that the Army could put women into the infantry, armor or units collocated with them without formal approval by the secretary of defense," Mrs. Donnelly said.
The Times reported last week on an internal May 10 briefing that portrayed the Army as in a bind. The briefing states the Army does not have enough male soldiers to fill the FSCs if they were to collocate with combat brigades and thus required to be men-only.
All-male FSCs, the paper states, "creates potential long-term challenge to Army; pool of male recruits too small to sustain force.

Hoplite_V
12-13-2004, 03:51 PM
Females in combat units, no. Females soldiers from Isreal in combat units, big yes.

LordHalbert
12-13-2004, 03:54 PM
All soldiers female or male should know how to fight.

Even support troops need to know how to fight.

Recall when a U.S. supply convoy was attacked early in the Iraq war.

usmcbud
12-13-2004, 04:27 PM
A woman US soldier from my hometown was killed in Iraq last week...Several others have been killed or wounded as well. Women are in combat right now - maybe not out on partol, but definately in combat. There is no "front lines" in this war, nowhere where support troops are safe from car bombs, ambushings, and kidnapping.

usm2b
12-16-2004, 12:56 AM
All soldiers do now how to fight, all of them atleast leave boot being M-16 qualified. Thats great i think, but I am not down with having women in combat units on the front lines. American public is very bitchy about casualties in Iraq, and they will give one hellacious bitching if hott girls die because we are sending them on combat missions in fallujah, let alone the hand to hand closeness that there is in Iraq. I love girls and do think of them as equals, I don't want to be shovinistic(spelling?) but there is a reason why when there are emergencies it's always women and children off first and the guys have to stay on the boat and die or whatever it may be.

Haiw
12-16-2004, 02:08 AM
Internal Army documents advocate changing Pentagon rules on mixed-*** units in a way that critics say will risk placing female soldiers in ground-combat situations.
And I'm sure anyone who isn't in a 'combat unit' is perfectly safe and sound and away from all the combat in Iraq... :roll: I think in the current situation women see combat anyway, whether they're in combat units or not.

hughdotoh
12-16-2004, 03:33 AM
Nope, no women in combat for me. And it makes no sense calling in the Israeli experience.

First off, the Israelis are already scraping the bottom of the personnel barrel, bearing in mind that ALL their neighbors want ALL Israelis dead. The US Armed Forces in general and the US Army in particular have not the strategic considerations of the Israelis.

Besides, hobbling the Army starts where political correctness is given more consideration than getting the job done.

At any rate, it's bad enough that America's enemies torture captured male American soldiers and rape them sometimes. How would the public at large react to captured female soldiers who would most likely be raped, Geneva Convention notwithstanding?

:slap: