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AirZone
10-11-2003, 08:02 AM
heres some pics of the dead civilans after suicide attacks...so you will understand the different between israeli actions that targets TERRORISTS and the palastines that targets CIVILANS

and hey i know theres civilan victims from the israeli actions but its not israel fault really... the ROE are very strict, the terrorists hide behind childrens so.... :|

anyway thats not the case...

the case is - Terrorists acts suck.... :(

WARNING !!!!!!!!!!
the fellowing pictures might be very hard to watch

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=3f7f2e494a18c39a.jpg&pic_text=The%20body%20of%20the%20Maxim%20restaurants%20security%20guard%20lays%20at%20the%20entrance%20of%20the%20site%20of%20a%20suicide%20bombing%20in%20the%20northern%20Israeli%20city%20of%20Haifa%20Saturday%20Oct.%204,%202003.%20(AP%20Photo/%20Alex%20Roskovsky)<BR> - Maxim Resturant (2 familys were killed in maxim :()

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=zz041032.jpg&pic_text=An%20Israeli%20forensics%20expert%20reaches%20for%20a%20severed%20head%20at%20the%20scene%20of%20a%20suicide%20bombing%20in%20a%20restaurant%20in%20the%20northern%20Israeli%20port%20city%20of%20Haifa%20Saturday%20Oct.%204,%202003.%20A%20Palestinian%20woman%20blew%20herself%20up%20in%20the%2 0Arab-owned%20Maxim%20beach%20restaurant%20Saturday,%20killing%20at%20least%2019%20people,%20including%20three%20children,%20and%20wounding%20about%2040%20in%20one%20of%20the%20deadliest%20attacks%20in%20the%20past%20three%20years%20and%20raising%20the%20possibility%20Israel%20might%20take%20action%20agai nst%20Palestinian%20leader%20Yasser%20Arafat%20(news%20-%20web%20sites).%20(AP%20Photo/%20Eitan%20Hess-Ashkenazi - same

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=zz110616.jpg&pic_text=A%20dead%20body%20hangs%20out%20the%20window%20of%20an%20exploded%20bus%20in%20downtown%20Jerusalem%20as%20a%20police%20officer%20gestures%20Wednesday%20June%2011,%202003.%20A%20Palestinian%20suicide%20bomber%20disguised%20us%20an%20ultra-Orthodox%20Jew%20killed%2016%20Israelis%20in%20a%20Jerusalem%20bus%20attack%20Wednesday%20and%20less%20than%20an%20hour%20later,%20Israeli%20helicopters%20unleashed%20rockets%20over%20Gaza%20City,%20killing%20two%20Hamas%20fugitives%20and%20five%20bystanders.(AP%20Photo/%20Oded%20Balilty)%20<BR> - sucidie bus at jeruslam

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=zz110608.jpg&pic_text=A%20dead%20passenger%20lies%20still%20next%20to%20an%20wrecked%20bus%20in%20downtown%20Jerusalem,%20Wednesday,%20June%2011,%202003.%20An%20explosion,%20apparently%20set%20off%20by%20a%20suicide%20bomber,%20ripped%20through%20a%20bus%20in%20downtown%20Jerusalem%20on%20Wednesday,%20killing%20 at%20least%20fifteen%20people%20and%20wounding%20dozens,%20police%20said.%20(AP%20Photo/%20Enric%20Marti)%20<BR> - same

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=zz110606.jpg&pic_text=Two%20dead%20passangers%20remain%20in%20their%20seats,%20while%20Israeli%20forensics%20experts%20examine%20the%20scene%20of%20a%20bus%20explosion%20in%20downtown%20Jerusalem,%20Wednesday%20June%2011,%202003.%20An%20explosion,%20apparently%20set%20off%20by%20a%20suicide%20bomber,%20ripped%20 through%20a%20bus%20in%20downtown%20Jerusalem%20on%20Wednesday,%20killing%20at%20least%20thirteen%20passengers%20and%20wounding%20dozens,%20police%20said.%20(AP%20Photo/%20Enric%20Marti)%20<BR> - same

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=zz180510.jpg&pic_text=Bodies%20are%20seen%20in%20a%20damaged%20commuter%20bus%20after%20an%20explosion%20killed%20at%20least%20four%20people%20in%20Jerusalem%20May%2018,%202003.%20An%20explosion%20ripped%20through%20the%20bus%20in%20Jerusalem%20on%20Sunday%20killing%20at%20least%20four%20people,%20an%20Israeli%2 0police%20chief%20said.%20A%20second%20blast%20within%20minutes%20caused%20no%20Israeli%20casualties.%20*******/Flash90/Yossi%20Zamir%20(ISRAEL%20OUT)%20<BR> - same


http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=zz180508.jpg&pic_text=Bodies%20of%20blast%20victims%20lie%20in%20a%20damaged%20commuter%20bus%20after%20an%20explosion%20killed%20at%20least%20four%20people%20in%20Jerusalem%20May%2018,%202003.%20An%20explosion%20ripped%20through%20a%20commuter%20bus%20in%20Jerusalem%20on%20Sunday%20killing%20at%20least%20four%2 0people,%20an%20Israeli%20police%20chief%20said.%20A%20second%20blast%20within%20minutes%20caused%20no%20Israel%20casualties.%20ISRAEL%20OUT%20*******/Flash90/Yossi%20Zamir%20<BR> - same

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=zz180509.jpg&pic_text=An%20Israeli%20policeman%20examines%20the%20body%20of%20a%20blast%20victim%20in%20a%20commuter%20bus%20after%20an%20explosion%20killed%20at%20least%20four%20people%20in%20Jerusalem%20May%2018,%202003.%20An%20explosion%20ripped%20through%20a%20commuter%20bus%20in%20Jerusalem%20on%20Sunday%20 killing%20at%20least%20four%20people,%20an%20Israeli%20police%20chief%20said.%20A%20second%20blast%20within%20minutes%20caused%20no%20Israel%20casualties.%20*******/Jean-Paul%20Pelissier%20<BR> - same

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=zz170524.jpg&pic_text=An%20Israeli%20army%20soldier%20looks%20at%20the%20remains%20of%20a%20Palestinian%20suicide%20bomber%20in%20the%20West%20Bank%20town%20of%20Hebron%20Saturday%20May%2017,%202003.%20A%20suicide%20bomber%20disguised%20as%20an%20observant%20Jew%20blew%20himself%20up%20in%20the%20Israeli%20contr olled%20area%20of%20Hebron%20killing%20a%20couple%20of%20Jewish%20settlers.%20The%20attack%20took%20place%20just%20hours%20before%20the%20first%20Israeli-Palestinian%20summit%20in%20three%20years.%20The%20writing%20in%20the%20metal%20door%20under%20a%20Star%20of%20David%20reads%20revenge.%20(AP%20Photo/Oded%20Balilty)%20<BR> - a suicide bomber leftovers...

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=zz300403.jpg&pic_text=An%20Israeli%20medic%20walks%20past%20a%20victim%20after%20an%20explosion%20in%20a%20pub%20in%20Tel%20Aviv,%20early%20morning%20April%2030,%202003.%20A%20suicide%20bomber%20struck%20Tel%20Aviv,%20killing%20at%20least%20three%20people%20and%20jarring%20U.S.%20plans%20to%20present%20a%20new%2 0peace%20plan%20after%20a%20landmark%20Palestinian%20vote%20for%20reform.%20Photo%20by%20Nir%20Elias/*******%20<BR> - a pub in tel-aviv

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=zz110933.jpg&pic_text= - one less scum to worry about

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=000m120101.jpg&pic_text=The%20Palestinians%20never%20miss%20an%20opportunity%20to%20call%20Israelis%20and%20Jews%20Baby%20Killers.%20Well,%20Im%20sure%20that%20the%20Palestinian%20sniper%20that%20killed%20this%20Ten-month-old%20Israeli%20baby%20is%20a%20prouder%20freedom%20fighter.%20International%20investigation%20proved%20that%20the%20sniper%20knew%20exactly%20what%20he%20is%20doing%20and%20who%20he%20is%20going%20to%20hit.<BR><BR>Does%20this%20baby%20know%20that%20shes%20a%20Jew?%20can%20you%20find%20anything%20to%20justify%20that?<BR><BR><BR> - and palastines say that we are the baby killers :(

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=170602b.gif&pic_text=Scenes%20of%20Palestinian%20Terrorisim - the funeral of the baby

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=000m211112.jpg&pic_text=An%20Israeli%20rescue%20worker%20removes%20a%20body%20part%20from%20a%20bus%20after%20a%20Palestinian%20suicide%20bomber%20blew%20himself%20up%20in%20Jerusalem%20November%2020%202002.%20The%20Palestinian%20suicide%20bomber%20killed%20at%20least%2010%20other%20people%20when%20he%20blew%20him self%20up%20on%20a%20crowded%20commuter%20bus%20during%20the%20Thursday%20morning%20rush%20hour%20in%20Jerusalem,%20police%20and%20rescue%20workers%20said.%20*******/Reinhard%20Krause%20*******%20<BR> - another bus

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=000q32.jpg&pic_text= - market

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=000c39.jpg&pic_text=Israeli%20police%20speak%20in%20front%20of%20a%20bus%20stop%20where%20the%20body%20of%20a%20victim%20lies%20amongst%20the%20debris%20at%20the%20scene%20of%20a%20suicide%20bombing%20in%20Jerusalem%20Wednesday,%20June%2019,%202002.%20A%20suicide%20bomber%20detonated%20explosives%20at%20a%20bu s%20stop%20in%20northern%20Jerusalem%20on%20Wednesday%20evening,%20killing%20at%20least%20seven%20people%20and%20wounding%20more%20than%2035,%20according%20to%20Israeli%20media%20reports%20and%20police.%20(AP%20Photo/Elizabeth%20Dalziel - baby stroller :(

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=000b2.jpg&pic_text=EDITORS%20NOTE%20GRAPHIC%20CONTENT**%20A%20police%20officer%20examines%20the%20scene%20of%20a%20bus%20bombing%20in%20Jerusalem%20Tuesday%20June%2018,%202002.%20A%20Palestinian%20man%20detonated%20nail-studded%20explosives%20on%20a%20Jerusalem%20city%20bus%20crowded%20with%20high%20school%20students%20and%20office%20workers%20Tuesday,%20killing%20himself%20and%20at%20least%2019%20passengers%20in%20the%20deadliest%20suicide%20attack%20in%20the%20hard-hit%20city%20in%20six%20years.%20At%20least%2055%20were%20wounded.%20(AP%20Photo/ZOOM%2077) - high school stundets like myself died in this bus

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=00a45.jpg&pic_text=EDITORS%20NOTE%20GRAPHIC%20DETAIL%20A%20few%20minutes%20after%20an%20explosion,%20Israeli%20medics%20enter%20the%20bus%20next%20to%20the%20body%20of%20the%20bus%20driver%20in%20Jerusalems%20Pat%20junction%20near%20Gilo%20in%20Jerusalem%20June%2018,%202002.%20A%20suspected%20Palestinian%20su icide%20bomber%20blew%20himself%20up%20killing%2018%20people%20and%20wounding%20many%20others.%20The%20blast%20was%20so%20powerful%20it%20ripped%20through%20the%20front%20of%20the%20bus%20and%20turned%20it%20into%20a%20mound%20of%20twisted%20wreckage.%20(%20ISRAEL%20OUT%20-%20MAGAZINES%20OUT)%20*******/Shlomy%20Cohen/%20BAUBAU - bus driver body still sits

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=180602k.jpg&pic_text=The%20hand%20of%20a%20body%20with%20identification%20police%20tag%20number%2010,%20is%20seen%20after%20the%2017%20bodies%20of%20the%20victims%20of%20Mondays%20suicide%20attack%20were%20placed%20in%20black%20plastic%20bags%20next%20to%20bus%20number%2032%20in%20Jerusalems%20Pat%20junction%20 near%20the%20neighborhood%20of%20Gilo%20in%20Jerusalem%20June%2018,%202002.%20A%20suspected%20Palestinian%20suicide%20bomber%20blew%20himself%20up%20killing%2017%20people%20and%20wounding%20many%20others.%20The%20blast%20was%20so%20powerful%20it%20ripped%20through%20the%20front%20of%20the%20bus%20an d%20turned%20it%20into%20a%20mound%20of%20twisted%20wreckage.%20*******/Yannis%20Behrakis - heh :|

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=170602d.jpg&pic_text=Scenes%20of%20Palestinian%20Terrorisim - bus station


http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=3cc547df3b811f4a.jpg&pic_text= - lynch.. on some poor bastard that helped the israelis

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=3cc547e53bc673e8.jpg&pic_text= - same... gosh they are human arnt they ? :bash:

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=250402a.jpg&pic_text=בלינץ%20אכזרי%20בחברון%20התעללו%20גם%20ילדים%20בגופות%20הנרצחים - same

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/view_pic.asp?pic_lrg=3cb71237335fb4e6.jpg&pic_text= - another bus... did i told you i go after my school to my home with bus ?


anyway.. sadly theres alot more pics but i think thats enough..i know theres pics of palastines pic but the point is THESE people (the israeli civilan pics) did nothing.. just lived thier life.. unlike the palastines civilan victims that attacks the soliders and stands between the terrorists and IDF
and being a human shield to the terroists..

Kriz
10-11-2003, 08:41 AM
Jeez when did this forum turn into some pro-Israeli meeting place, these look how bad palestinians are and how good we Israelis are is starting to get out of hand!

Herrmannek
10-11-2003, 08:46 AM
Jeez when did this forum turn into some pro-Israeli meeting place, these look how bad palestinians are and how good we Israelis are is starting to get out of hand!

This is their right, but abused sometimes..

AirZone
10-11-2003, 08:54 AM
Jeez when did this forum turn into some pro-Israeli meeting place, these look how bad palestinians are and how good we Israelis are is starting to get out of hand!

no..not really.. i just saw many "pro-palastine" pics so i thought why wont i even it with israeli pics ?

thats it...

Haiw
10-11-2003, 09:29 AM
hot damn..where did it say 'Feel free to exercise propaganda here' :|

AirZone
10-11-2003, 09:58 AM
hot damn..where did it say 'Feel free to exercise propaganda here' :|

if you dont like it dont watch it... :roll:

Micke
10-11-2003, 10:04 AM
I understand you're trying to prove a point, mate, but **** those images are not very nice and maybe its not all that appropriate, you know its militaryphotos.net not iwannaseedeadbabiesandblownupbusesdamnit.net. :|

perdurabo
10-11-2003, 10:06 AM
Wait site name is Militaryphotos so where in the hell is military content of sending here pics of dead civilian ppl here? when i joined i wanted to look at shiny tanks on parades dirty SF guys and other stuff and discus it :(

AirZone
10-11-2003, 10:17 AM
I understand you're trying to prove a point, mate, but f*** those images are not very nice and maybe its not all that appropriate, you know its militaryphotos.net not iwannaseedeadbabiesandblownupbusesdamnit.net. :|

i know... sorry
but i saw many pics of "how poor" are the palastines
so i wanted you guys to see the full pictuare.

yeah true no one is right but i dont want only one side...
its like you see the US troops shooting at iraqis but you dont see what happend to the US troops or the other coalition troops that died to some terrorists acts

and this is reality
not everything is shiny with cool hi-tec weapons and stuff...

you know.. those stuff kill :(


and if you dont want.. dont watch it... or dont believe me
do what ever you want, i just post the facts.

Micke
10-11-2003, 10:20 AM
Yes, I understand that, man. But you know, there might be some kids going to this site or something.

Whats with terrorists and their goddamn buses though? They got something against buses?

AirZone
10-11-2003, 10:26 AM
Yes, I understand that, man. But you know, there might be some kids going to this site or something.

Whats with terrorists and their goddamn buses though? They got something against buses?

im a kid myself..17 years old this year...

anyway i think i did the right thing.. yeah its nice to see shiny weapon and tanks and all and to think you are rambo and you want to be in the special forces and such (hell i know i want to be one when i join the army woot) but those stuff kill.. and those soliders are trained to kill.. so not everything is sooo holywood-like...

anyway about the buses - i guess becuase many kids and old people are using the buses so its a good target for the terroists to break our morale.. but they will never succeed :bash:

DixieDude
10-11-2003, 11:33 AM
Airzone: with all the attacks going on, have you seen many tourists in Haifa or any of the beaches or main cities? also, are you joining the army next year when you turn 18? from what i heard, you have to be in the army if you are living in Israel(i have a jewish friend). id like to visit there sometime. it looks like a nice country...except for the suicide bombers :roll:

Aussie2093
10-11-2003, 02:11 PM
Believe me mate, there's a 10:1 ratio in these forums regarding Pro-Israeli: Pro-Palestinian. The fact that you need to justify Israeli actions by showing us the bodies of the innocent is just plain stupid.
Nice photos though.

ShotOver
10-11-2003, 02:15 PM
Well, PT thinks that this has to be the worst, most stupid topic he has seen in his life.

I think you should be ashamed of yourself, i think all you Israel people that come to this forum should be ashamed, you seem to think Isral and the middle east is the only ****ed up place in the world and we should all feel so ****ing sorry for you Israelies, i think you need to get your ****ing heads out of your asses right now.

God damn, you people piss me off so much with your **** you speak of all the time, ****. How about you shut the **** up about Israel, not many of us care about your ****.

Every day i see on the news "15 or so Israelies die in a bus blast, blah blah blah"

Dont you know your in a neibourhood filled with people that hate you and want you all dead?
You sit there in your little corner of the world and think just because your Americas bitch everything will be allrite, but it won't. The killing and the dying will NEVER stop until you people pack your ****ing bags and leave.

Hell, you people love the desert so much, come to ****in Australia, you can have the Northern Territory.

- PT's rant of the day.

Operation Ivy
10-11-2003, 02:20 PM
I dont think PT likes Isreal :P

ShotOver
10-11-2003, 02:24 PM
For ****s sake, i saw 9-11, okay? I saw Bali, i SEE The victims of terror, these people are not victims of TERROR they are war victims, you will be forever at war until you leave

IDF has soldiers that swallow garlic cloves, cut themselves, shoot themselves... do ANYTHING to get out of being the occupied territory.

Your country is ****ed, be aware of that, understand it and live with it.

UoUo
10-11-2003, 03:23 PM
For f*** sake, i saw 9-11, okay? I saw Bali, i SEE The victims of terror, these people are not victims of TERROR they are war victims, you will be forever at war until you leave

IDF has soldiers that swallow garlic cloves, cut themselves, shoot themselves... do ANYTHING to get out of being the occupied territory.

Your country is f***, be aware of that, understand it and live with it.

Man - you are damm ****ing stupaid man.

That the only thing i can say. :bash: :bash:

Vance
10-11-2003, 03:32 PM
Why the hell was this thread created anyways? Do you want us to feel sorry for you? You don't see us going around posting pictures of dead Americans killed by terror attacks......

UoUo
10-11-2003, 03:37 PM
Why the hell was this thread created anyways? Do you want us to feel sorry for you? You don't see us going around posting pictures of dead Americans killed by terror attacks......

.....this was not the meaning of this topic...

And BTW : maybe we stop talkin about all this things ? i feel tired....

Haiw
10-11-2003, 03:41 PM
hot damn..where did it say 'Feel free to exercise propaganda here' :|

if you dont like it dont watch it... :roll:

:cantbeli: you kinda...missed my point...
besides, don't u have some feeling inside it's kinda 'wrong' to use pictures of death ppl for propaganda purposes :roll:
besides, if i wanted i cud go and dig up just as much pictures of death palestinians, but personally i don't really feel like browsing tru the galleries of ******..
but hey, this is like talking to a brick wall... off course everything is always the palestinians fault, the IDF never does anything wrong, only 2 civilian palestinians die every year because of the IDF, and the only one to blame for the entire conflict is arafat right? :roll:

Ratamacue
10-11-2003, 04:04 PM
Haiw, there's a big difference between "propaganda" and "making an impression."

Propaganda is essentially manufactured half-lies or twisting of the truth to sway you toward a cause. Propaganda would be showing a picture of an enemy beating a woman and children and saying that all of them are like that.

Making an impression is using facts, pictures, and other factual material to try to sway someone and their ideas. Posting pictures of Israelis killed by Palestinians is not propaganda. I don't really like how this forum has turned into Israelis vs. Palestinians either, but just because of that doesn't mean it's become a medium for "propaganda."

Fargin
10-11-2003, 04:14 PM
Haiw, there's a big difference between "propaganda" and "making an impression."
It's like the difference between Terrorist and Freedom fighter, but the difference is only in the eye of the beholder.

Herrmannek
10-11-2003, 04:28 PM
Only way to be freedom fighter and not became terrorist:
http://www.i-mockery.com/ezboard/emoticons/suicide.gif

Argyll
10-11-2003, 04:37 PM
This sight has become all about Political issues,and there has been a rapid influx of individuals to this site in rescent months from Israel,and as much as I respect what they are going through,the British have been going through in Northern Ireland for years,apart from Suicide bombers,but terrorism as a whole.
As someone pointed out the Israeli V's Arab thing is getting raised in almost every topic here,whereas it was quietly noted before,but when people give opposite opinions,it all gets ugly,with Bothsides refusing to budge,and then accustations and counter accusations are all over the place.
My personal opinion is that there was no need to post such links,this is not what this site is about,all too lately there has been a macabre posting of dead Iraqi's,dead US servicemen,and now dead Israelis,I think people can figure this **** out for themselves.
This site used to be a great place to come to see the latest kit and technology,and what the current Military was testing etc,but older members are getting "bounced" by kids,who all think war is cool ,just like a PC game,how sad we have all become!

Gordon
10-11-2003, 04:53 PM
Propaganda is essentially manufactured half-lies or twisting of the truth to sway you toward a cause. Propaganda would be showing a picture of an enemy beating a woman and children and saying that all of them are like that.

Propaganda is not essentially half lies or twisting the truth, it can be of course, also it can just be an organised publicity campaign such as the one a president would use to ensure he is re-elected or the publicity campaign of a country to convince the nation it should go to war ... :P . The point is that the term propaganda applies to any organised publicity campaign not just the one's that are bs.

Take it easy.

Seoulstriker
10-11-2003, 06:45 PM
The fuc*ing palestinian terrorists are targeting innocent Israelis. Israel is targeting Arab terrorists.

If you don't understand that simple point, go fuc* yourself.

Aussie2093
10-11-2003, 07:18 PM
The fuc*ing palestinian terrorists are targeting innocent Israelis. Israel is targeting Arab terrorists.

If you don't understand that simple point, go fuc* yourself.

When you don't have your own army, you have to improvise.

Blowing up innocent people is cheap, effective, and all you need is a radical and some TNT.

If you expect the Palestinians to take up arms, march in formation, and wage conventional warfare against the Israeli occupiers, then you can go **** yourself because you don't deserve any better.

We all do what we've got to do.

I think you people (especially the Israeli's and those sympathetic to their situation) are caring too much about conflict waged on moral and ethic grounds. When your home is being oppressed, who the **** cares anymore? We've seen it in Chechnya, all over Africa, Yugoslavia, any many other places. What makes Israel so special that they can expect such sentiment and compassion? Did we pity them so much after WWII that we gave them someone else's land (even if the Palestinians were nomadic)? Boy what a horrible mistake that was.

Ratamacue
10-11-2003, 07:30 PM
When you don't have your own army, you have to improvise.

Blowing up innocent people is cheap, effective, and all you need is a radical and some TNT.

Way to rationalize the murdering of innocent civilians.

Seoulstriker
10-11-2003, 07:36 PM
The fuc*ing palestinian terrorists are targeting innocent Israelis. Israel is targeting Arab terrorists.

If you don't understand that simple point, go fuc* yourself.

When you don't have your own army, you have to improvise.

Blowing up innocent people is cheap, effective, and all you need is a radical and some TNT.



so, it's ok that palestinians target innocent civilians...



If you expect the Palestinians to take up arms, march in formation, and wage conventional warfare against the Israeli occupiers, then you can go f*** yourself because you don't deserve any better.

We all do what we've got to do.

Israel does not occupy Palestine.


I think you people (especially the Israeli's and those sympathetic to their situation) are caring too much about conflict waged on moral and ethic grounds. When your home is being oppressed, who the f*** cares anymore? We've seen it in Chechnya, all over Africa, Yugoslavia, any many other places. What makes Israel so special that they can expect such sentiment and compassion? Did we pity them so much after WWII that we gave them someone else's land (even if the Palestinians were nomadic)? Boy what a horrible mistake that was.


apparently you believe there is nothing wrong with Palestinian terrorists committing genocide of Jews... wow. oh yeah, how could i forget: the Holocaust never happened. :roll:

bobdakilla
10-11-2003, 07:50 PM
ok this is the truth this is not a site that should be used for showing pictures of dead isrealies because thats just a bunch of crap that noone should see when they come to a site called MILITARYPHOTOS.NET
not picturesofdeadcivilians.net so next time u think about posting this **** just stfu keep it to yourself and leave noone here whats to see that ****

Haiw
10-11-2003, 07:56 PM
i think most people are seeing things a little bit too much black & white....while in this conflict it's more like everyone in the grey area..
(yea i know, different graduations of gray maybe, but still both gray)

Ratamacue
10-11-2003, 08:00 PM
bobdakilla - speak for yourself.

Haiw
10-11-2003, 08:04 PM
well bob has a point...this aint frikkin ******...

Ratamacue
10-11-2003, 08:06 PM
WARNING !!!!!!!!!!
the fellowing pictures might be very hard to watch

He warned everybody. You don't have to look at them if you don't want to.

jdbjdb
10-11-2003, 08:07 PM
The world must know of the aftermath of the palestinian suicide bomber
May their memories be for a blessing

Haiw
10-11-2003, 08:33 PM
WARNING !!!!!!!!!!
the fellowing pictures might be very hard to watch

He warned everybody. You don't have to look at them if you don't want to.
it's about him posting em...not whether we see em or not..

Spud
10-12-2003, 12:19 AM
Whats with terrorists and their goddamn buses though? They got something against buses?

I know the logic is flawed but ...

Pals attack buses as they see them as legitimate military targets. Israeli soldiers travel on public transport for free when on duty and are encouraged to use the buses to get to and from their place of parade. Many of the buses that become targets of suicide bombers are those that travel to routes to and from major military installations. The associated cost in terms of civilian lives they believe is justified given that every Israeli strike also takes out several innocents. Pal logic has it that a bomb on a bus is no different to a rocket attack into a vehicle within a crowded area.

Just goes to show the crap justifications both sides can come up with :roll:

Saranof
10-12-2003, 05:51 AM
I understand you're trying to prove a point, mate, but f*** those images are not very nice and maybe its not all that appropriate, you know its militaryphotos.net not iwannaseedeadbabiesandblownupbusesdamnit.net. :|

i know... sorry
but i saw many pics of "how poor" are the palastines
so i wanted you guys to see the full pictuare.

yeah true no one is right but i dont want only one side...
its like you see the US troops shooting at iraqis but you dont see what happend to the US troops or the other coalition troops that died to some terrorists acts

and this is reality
not everything is shiny with cool hi-tec weapons and stuff...

you know.. those stuff kill :(


and if you dont want.. dont watch it... or dont believe me
do what ever you want, i just post the facts.

Goddamniit, we don't nearly see ANY pics of dead palestinies, thanks to people like you.
Since when did this become a propaganda forum?
Honsestly, you are really starting to piss me off.
If you had any better arguments then "look we are so great we only kill terrorists and when we do kill civvies its their own fault" then ok.
But youŽare just being childish.

UoUo
10-12-2003, 07:17 AM
Whats with terrorists and their goddamn buses though? They got something against buses?

I know the logic is flawed but ...

Pals attack buses as they see them as legitimate military targets. Israeli soldiers travel on public transport for free when on duty and are encouraged to use the buses to get to and from their place of parade. Many of the buses that become targets of suicide bombers are those that travel to routes to and from major military installations. The associated cost in terms of civilian lives they believe is justified given that every Israeli strike also takes out several innocents. Pal logic has it that a bomb on a bus is no different to a rocket attack into a vehicle within a crowded area.

Just goes to show the crap justifications both sides can come up with :roll:

Stop the bull****. most oif the sucide attackes was on Buses that didn't have even 1 single soldair on them.

perdurabo
10-12-2003, 08:24 AM
Waait if we wana be black and withe in israel only civilians are turist an children! if it's tru that every one Israeli goes to IDF all of them are soldiers :) only not on duty one or retired one so they aren't targeting civilians but soldiers.....
edit:
well i'm all agins any killing it's so stiupid just wanted to show how stiupid is black&withe world:]

UoUo
10-12-2003, 08:45 AM
Waait if we wana be black and withe in israel only civilians are turist an children! if it's tru that every one Israeli goes to IDF all of them are soldiers :) only not on duty one or retired one so they aren't targeting civilians but soldiers.....
edit:
well i'm all agins any killing it's so stiupid just wanted to show how stiupid is black&withe world:]\

Another wrong thing.

Just about 20% of those who join the army going to fight....many many many soldair's is in the non fighting force...so called "jobnikim".

AirZone
10-12-2003, 08:51 AM
I understand you're trying to prove a point, mate, but f*** those images are not very nice and maybe its not all that appropriate, you know its militaryphotos.net not iwannaseedeadbabiesandblownupbusesdamnit.net. :|

i know... sorry
but i saw many pics of "how poor" are the palastines
so i wanted you guys to see the full pictuare.

yeah true no one is right but i dont want only one side...
its like you see the US troops shooting at iraqis but you dont see what happend to the US troops or the other coalition troops that died to some terrorists acts

and this is reality
not everything is shiny with cool hi-tec weapons and stuff...

you know.. those stuff kill :(


and if you dont want.. dont watch it... or dont believe me
do what ever you want, i just post the facts.

Goddamniit, we don't nearly see ANY pics of dead palestinies, thanks to people like you.
Since when did this become a propaganda forum?
Honsestly, you are really starting to piss me off.
If you had any better arguments then "look we are so great we only kill terrorists and when we do kill civvies its their own fault" then ok.
But youŽare just being childish.

bla bla bla.. DID you really READ what i wrote ? i said i saw many pics of the palastines side and NOTHING but NOTHING about what happens in israel so i thought why not bring the other side ?
you know.. showing FACTS like you "democratice and humanly" people SOOO LOVE !!!! ****ing hypocrites....

and for all the guys whining its a military forum and such...
i just told you i wanted to show you that military is not att alll shiny and cool with hi-tec its also kills people...just showing the reality if you dont like it dont SEE IT !!!! stupid whimps and whiners... when you see dead palastines bodys you say some thing ? like israel sucks bla bla bla
did i say hypocrites ? :roll:

anyway this topic is not for comparing or some thing
nor propeganda
nor political topic
nor saying we are right (wich we dont... we do mistakes like every other humans)
nor saying its the palastines fault that we kill them (even if they join armed terrorists..they shouldnt be out there but yeah some times its israel fault that we kill civilans)

its just SHOWING the ****ing FACTS that yeah everyone suffers and yeah war is hell and yeah terrorists sucks and yeah i want this ****ing conflict to end already like every other israeli and i bet many palastines and mabye war sounds cool but CILIVANS do get hurt from it...

think you know all... go live in israel one year and in palastine one year
and then come back

jerks...
:bash:

p.s.

if you didnt get it.. i just wanted to show the FACTS
nothing else, if you are tired from this stuff or dont love to watch those stuff.. DONT WATCH OR WRITE ABOUT IT !!!!

and its my ****ing right to show my side...
dont like it ? ignore it !

AirZone
10-12-2003, 08:57 AM
Well, PT thinks that this has to be the worst, most stupid topic he has seen in his life.

I think you should be ashamed of yourself, i think all you Israel people that come to this forum should be ashamed, you seem to think Isral and the middle east is the only f*** up place in the world and we should all feel so f*** sorry for you Israelies, i think you need to get your f*** heads out of your asses right now.

God damn, you people piss me off so much with your **** you speak of all the time, f***. How about you shut the f*** up about Israel, not many of us care about your ****.

Every day i see on the news "15 or so Israelies die in a bus blast, blah blah blah"

Dont you know your in a neibourhood filled with people that hate you and want you all dead?
You sit there in your little corner of the world and think just because your Americas bitch everything will be allrite, but it won't. The killing and the dying will NEVER stop until you people pack your f*** bags and leave.

Hell, you people love the desert so much, come to f*** Australia, you can have the Northern Territory.

- PT's rant of the day.

uhhh...ummmmm...ehhh.....ahhhhh....

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AirZone
10-12-2003, 09:03 AM
hot damn..where did it say 'Feel free to exercise propaganda here' :|

if you dont like it dont watch it... :roll:

:cantbeli: you kinda...missed my point...
besides, don't u have some feeling inside it's kinda 'wrong' to use pictures of death ppl for propaganda purposes :roll:
besides, if i wanted i cud go and dig up just as much pictures of death palestinians, but personally i don't really feel like browsing tru the galleries of ******..
but hey, this is like talking to a brick wall... off course everything is always the palestinians fault, the IDF never does anything wrong, only 2 civilian palestinians die every year because of the IDF, and the only one to blame for the entire conflict is arafat right? :roll:

No...i show facts

and sure bring palastinians pics, but i think you have enough in world media and in this site

but if you want fine by me.. its your RIGHT

and i never said its only the palastines fault
i said they die because they go with armed terrosists
people.. WHY STAND NEAR AN ARMED TERRORISTS WHEN YOU KNOW THAT IDF TARGETS THEM ?????

but yeah some times idf kills civilan by accidents and yeah its not right but i prefer that my family and friends will live.. sorry if i want people that i love to live over people that hate me and want to destory me.. sorry im not so humanly like lets say French... rofl

AirZone
10-12-2003, 09:05 AM
For f*** sake, i saw 9-11, okay? I saw Bali, i SEE The victims of terror, these people are not victims of TERROR they are war victims, you will be forever at war until you leave

IDF has soldiers that swallow garlic cloves, cut themselves, shoot themselves... do ANYTHING to get out of being the occupied territory.

Your country is f***, be aware of that, understand it and live with it.

uuh...hmm...well...NOT

once again you show your uber knowlage about israel because you live in here...NOT rofl

i remember in "homat magen" operation the army had to many reserves that wanted to help and defeand israel...you know..our homeland..

do you EVEN know the meaning of homeland after being expelled for 2000 years ?

Micke
10-12-2003, 09:13 AM
Uhm, sorry if this is a bit offtopic...but something just struck me...what main sport does Israel play? You know...Aussies and Kiwis are rugby nuts, the Brits are soccer nuts, Canucks are ice hockey nuts (my fav sport...although there's ZERO intrest in it here in New Zealand), the yanks are NASCAR nuts, Pakistanis are cricket nuts, Finlanders are motorsport and hockey crazy, etc etc...but what's Israel's most popular sport? I've never seen them play any sport on TV or anything. :|

AirZone
10-12-2003, 09:14 AM
Airzone: with all the attacks going on, have you seen many tourists in Haifa or any of the beaches or main cities? also, are you joining the army next year when you turn 18? from what i heard, you have to be in the army if you are living in Israel(i have a jewish friend). id like to visit there sometime. it looks like a nice country...except for the suicide bombers :roll:

yeah thers tourists in israel.. not as much as before (duh :()
but mainly in eilat i think...

yeah and i will join the army next year after i finish school
i hope i will go to the special forces, im training hard for it.
(unlike other countries in israel you have "gibushim" to enter special forces unit.. VERY HARD selection pash at the start to see if you are good enough for those units and then, even HARDER selection pash to the specific units)

and sure id love to see more tourists.. but atm i dont recommand :|

AirZone
10-12-2003, 09:18 AM
Uhm, sorry if this is a bit offtopic...but something just struck me...what main sport does Israel play? You know...Aussies and Kiwis are rugby nuts, the Brits are soccer nuts, Canucks are ice hockey nuts (my fav sport...although there's ZERO intrest in it here in New Zealand), the yanks are NASCAR nuts, Pakistanis are cricket nuts, Finlanders are motorsport and hockey crazy, etc etc...but what's Israel's most popular sport? I've never seen them play any sport on TV or anything. :|

lol yeah kinda offtopic...
well the israelis LOVE football (soccer).. macabi haifa (the team that i support) won manchster unt couple of months ago i think... 3-0 in our home (it was in cyprus and i think you know why) and 5-2 in uk so yeah our teams are not so bad.

and we really love basketball (macabi tel-aviv...you know they were europe champions couple of times) but not as much as soccer

i for myself..
i like extreme sport and hockey.
and soccer-basketball for course ;)

Argyll
10-12-2003, 10:14 AM
well the israelis LOVE football (soccer).. macabi haifa (the team that i support) won manchster unt couple of months ago i think... 3-0 in our home (it was in cyprus and i think you know why) and 5-2 in uk so yeah our teams are not so bad.

In your dreams pal!!!

Did this come from Isreali media?
Man U never played any Israeli team ,their pre season was in the USA

A question for you though?
Why was Israel in the European Champions Qualifying for 2004,if they're in the Middle East?

AirZone
10-12-2003, 10:18 AM
well the israelis LOVE football (soccer).. macabi haifa (the team that i support) won manchster unt couple of months ago i think... 3-0 in our home (it was in cyprus and i think you know why) and 5-2 in uk so yeah our teams are not so bad.

In your dreams pal!!!

Did this come from Isreali media?
Man U never played any Israeli team ,their pre season was in the USA

A question for you though?
Why was Israel in the European Champions Qualifying for 2004,if they're in the Middle East?

WHAT ? dont you remember ? thier new player did his first goal against us...
and haifa did a sweet win against MAN U in cyprus..
just look for it in the webpages you will find it.

and why we are in the eurpean champions ? no idea... i remember we were in the asian league or some thing at the 60's.
but you, arbs countries+israel = i dont think so :|

Argyll
10-12-2003, 10:20 AM
The game was LAST year,in the Champions League ,when Man U had already qualified,so they sent a 2nd string to play in Cyprus,I belive they(MU) were going for 17 Euro wins in a row!
Macabi won the game 3-0,and spoilt the MU party!!

My team Glasgow Rangers used to have a few Israelis back in the early - mid 80's,good players too,I think we had 3 on the books at one point!!

AirZone
10-12-2003, 10:29 AM
The game was LAST year,in the Champions League ,when Man U had already qualified,so they sent a 2nd string to play in Cyprus,I belive they(MU) were going for 17 Euro wins in a row!
Macabi won the game 3-0,and spoilt the MU party!!

My team Glasgow Rangers used to have a few Israelis back in the early - mid 80's,good players too,I think we had 3 on the books at one point!!

god those israelis...just love to spoil everyone's party rofl

well yeah..last year but couple of months ago rofl
i kinda forgot, happens :hug:


and yeah the israeli players are not bad..
but as a national team we SUCK... bah :bash:

Herrmannek
10-12-2003, 10:29 AM
Man don't start soccer team wars...I tell you one thing, this is sure(I pray to good, that no one kill me for this in Poland) worst national soccer team is from...







































Poland...


But Małysz rules
http://klub.chip.pl/keez/zdjecia/malysz.jpg

and Korzeniowski too
http://www2.iaaf.org/wrw97/images/korzeniowski.jpg

AirZone
10-12-2003, 10:35 AM
i think we lost to poland rofl

ComnGitMe
10-12-2003, 10:35 AM
Both sides are wrong in this conflict and you both commit acts of idiocy for example this war continues to get more and more violent because Israel continues to take land that does not belong to them but somehow they fail to admit or acknowledge that it doesn't belong to them they use the excuse well we're running out of space if that's the case them find another alternative instead of impeding on land that doesn't belong to you and NO IT ****ING DOESN"T BELONG TO YOU BY DIVINE RIGHT OR OTHERWISE and you attack palestinians with no regard for civilians which makes it no better than targeting civilians directly so you will get no sympathy from me or anyone else who has an understanding of what's going on however, I do feel for the victims who don't make it home because of their governments pigheaded selfish attitude towards anyone other than themselves seeing as they don't realize they endanger their citizens everyday with their policies.

On the other hand the palestinians are just as moronic first off they have yet to realize their leadership is the reason why they can't get any real help if he would organize them into a legitamte force and direct their attacks toward military targets then maybe the world would come to their aide but all he wishes to do is hold on to the image that he has power but the truth is he is the leader of nothing the sovereign of destroyed buildings and crushed spirits and he himself is the reason that peace can not be obtained even if for a moment because he decided he was more important than his people which if you ask me is the total opposite of what a leader is supposed to be

flame all you want but truth is truth Israel, Palestinians same **** only difference Israel is organized

Herrmannek
10-12-2003, 10:41 AM
i think we lost to poland rofl

There is no problem in biting someone sometime, this is motivation problem...Do you know conception of last chance match, we have those every time Polish representation plays match :) .

Argyll
10-12-2003, 10:50 AM
Guys I'm from Scotland,for a long time we thought it was natural to lose!!!

Avi Cohen played for Rangers,I think he came from Macabi,and was a keeper,same as Ronnie Rosenthal,I think both came from Macabi!

AirZone
10-12-2003, 11:48 AM
Guys I'm from Scotland,for a long time we thought it was natural to lose!!!

Avi Cohen played for Rangers,I think he came from Macabi,and was a keeper,same as Ronnie Rosenthal,I think both came from Macabi!

aye, and eyal berkovich played in scotland too.. for a short period of time but not in the rangers

Seoulstriker
10-12-2003, 12:50 PM
Man don't start soccer team wars...I tell you one thing, this is sure(I pray to good, that no one kill me for this in Poland) worst national soccer team is from...


Poland...


But Małysz rules
http://klub.chip.pl/keez/zdjecia/malysz.jpg

and Korzeniowski too
http://www2.iaaf.org/wrw97/images/korzeniowski.jpg


Malysz needs to shave his moustache... he looks like a gural pierdolony.

Herrmannek
10-12-2003, 01:53 PM
Malysz needs to shave his moustache... he looks like a gural pierdolony.

Mustaches breaks linear air streams (like in golf ball) and alows him to fly further than your's like-baby-ass-bald-mouthers.

EvanL
10-12-2003, 02:11 PM
Israel has a hockey club in Tel-Aviv sponsored by Canada. I read about it not too long ago. Of course its just Canadian Jews that mopve back to Israel but its still kind of neat. In the 80's Israel played Australia in hockey and lost 3-0.
They have a sports centre in Israel sponsored by the Canadian Government. I think its called Canada Israel Centre. It has ice rinks in it. I think its in Tel Aviv.

Seoulstriker
10-12-2003, 02:16 PM
Malysz needs to shave his moustache... he looks like a gural pierdolony.

Mustaches breaks linear air streams (like in golf ball) and alows him to fly further than your's like-baby-ass-bald-mouthers.


rofl

if the moustache had any effect of aerodynamics, wouldn't it cause more air resistance than a bald mouth?