View Full Version : How about we just ignore them.
EvanL
10-11-2003, 05:31 PM
With all the Israelis that have started to browse this site lately, there have been many arguements between them and the rest of the boards respective members. It is annoying that everytime they open their mouths if you react to it the wrong way, they bitch and complain till kingdom come. So how about instead of even listening to them, we just ignore them, and let them post watever they want with no reaction or reply to them at all. And maybe they will disappear or maybe they will just learn that we dont want to listen to their constant school girl bickering.
How about them apples folks?
Seeing as this isnt a communist regime, they are allowed to post what they want as are we, so let them play their little games and we will just ignore them.
Its like the kid in class with ADD, ignore him and he will stop being so ****ing annoying!. haha
Rant over. woot woot woot woot
NcDeuce
10-11-2003, 05:35 PM
It is annoying that everytime they open their mouths if you react to it the wrong way, they bitch and complain till kingdom come.
That's true, they're very touchy on all the Mid-East topics. Oh well, it doesn't really bother me. I don't see myself moving over to Isreal anytime soon, lol.
seventy6er
10-11-2003, 05:49 PM
On another post, I was talking about "Don't feed the troll"...
California Joe
10-11-2003, 06:08 PM
No sense of humor. The funny thing is we'd probably support them in reality but they're just so annoying that I don't care.
StarvingStudent47
10-11-2003, 06:09 PM
With all the Israelis that have started to browse this site lately, there have been many arguements between them and the rest of the boards respective members. It is annoying that everytime they open their mouths if you react to it the wrong way, they bitch and complain till kingdom come.
Funny, I'm an American (hence one of "the rest of the board's respective members") and I don't mind Israeli posters and don't find that they butt into things. Wish I could say the same about the Noam Chomsky-type ultra-leftists who won't let you say "Bush" without screaming "American imperialism," won't let you say "take down Saddam" without saying "no blood for oil," and won't let you say "I hate Osama" without saying "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."
this is a bord made for discution.....
the only thing I don't like is that the allways want to have rigth/allways THINK they have rigth...and can't see it themself...
"one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"
hey I said that :lol:
(but it is still true, not that I think they are freedom figthers but for them; they are freedom figthers...**** wrong move lets not take this discution in this topic..... :cantbeli: )
citizen-k
10-11-2003, 06:55 PM
With all the Israelis that have started to browse this site lately, there have been many arguements between them and the rest of the boards respective members. It is annoying that everytime they open their mouths if you react to it the wrong way, they bitch and complain till kingdom come. So how about instead of even listening to them, we just ignore them, and let them post watever they want with no reaction or reply to them at all. And maybe they will disappear or maybe they will just learn that we dont want to listen to their constant school girl bickering.
How about them apples folks?
Seeing as this isnt a communist regime, they are allowed to post what they want as are we, so let them play their little games and we will just ignore them.
Its like the kid in class with ADD, ignore him and he will stop being so f*** annoying!. haha
Rant over. woot woot woot woot
Hmmm...
1) Forums subject is "military"
2) The IDF is a military
3) The IDF is a good military
4) The IDF is one of the most active armies in the world
Problem is, as StarvingStudent47 said, that every time there is an IDF "military" related post someone has to reply with an anti Israeli post...
citizen-k
10-11-2003, 06:57 PM
this is a bord made for discution.....
the only thing I don't like is that the allways want to have rigth/allways THINK they have rigth...and can't see it themself...
"one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"
hey I said that :lol:
(but it is still true, not that I think they are freedom figthers but for them; they are freedom figthers...**** wrong move lets not take this discution in this topic..... :cantbeli: )
Freedom fighters usually choose freedom when possible...
Seoulstriker
10-11-2003, 07:12 PM
It is annoying that everytime they open their mouths if you react to it the wrong way
exactly. when someone is wrong, they must be corrected.
JiJoMacLE45
10-11-2003, 07:13 PM
Couldn't have said it better myself StarvingStudent.
jdbjdb
10-11-2003, 07:34 PM
With all the Israelis that have started to browse this site lately, there have been many arguements between them and the rest of the boards respective members
I happen to like the Israeli's, if you don't like it why don't you leave the forum ;)
EvanL
10-11-2003, 07:45 PM
I never said i didnt like them. I was making a suggestion for others in the forum. In fact i have many friends who are Israeli, many in fact that are serving in the IDF right now.
Why is it mostly people that joined after the 'israeli-invasion' that are pro-Israel here :roll:
btw ignoring is like the most stupid idea ever.....(thinks of great joke about this....doesnt say it cus he's undoubtedly gonna be ended up called a pro-palestinian terrorist-sympathizing anti-semite jew-hater for it :roll: )
StarvingStudent47
10-11-2003, 08:35 PM
Why is it mostly people that joined after the 'israeli-invasion' that are pro-Israel here :roll:
I'm not sure what you mean by that statement. I've read the sentence repeatedly and I'm still not sure what it means. Care to clarify?
StarvingStudent47
10-11-2003, 08:47 PM
Problem is, as StarvingStudent47 said, that every time there is an IDF "military" related post someone has to reply with an anti Israeli post...
This is true. If someone asks a question about a Merkava tank or an IMI Tavor assault rifle--purely "technical military" questions--someone will immediately try and turn in into a debate of Israeli foreign policy. Whereas if somebody asks about the T-90 or the AN-94, nobody tries to turn the thread into a political debate about the Chechen War.
well what i practically meant was that TF160SOAR and jdbjdb both didn't really care about the whole subject....while they both joined after the whole 'invasion' (for the lack of a better word), and they don't know what it was like before that...
jdbjdb
10-11-2003, 10:45 PM
.....(thinks of great joke about this....doesnt say it cus he's undoubtedly gonna be ended up called a pro-palestinian terrorist-sympathizing anti-semite jew-hater for it
Thats true, I suppose that is what they call a double standard.
Seoulstriker
10-11-2003, 11:06 PM
I never said i didnt like them. I was making a suggestion for others in the forum. In fact i have many friends who are Israeli, many in fact that are serving in the IDF right now.
I'm not racist! In fact, I have many African-American friends! :P
StarvingStudent47
10-11-2003, 11:27 PM
I never said i didnt like them. I was making a suggestion for others in the forum. In fact i have many friends who are Israeli, many in fact that are serving in the IDF right now.
I'm not racist! In fact, I have many African-American friends! :P
That's funny, I was just thinking of the very same anecdote :)
StarvingStudent47
10-11-2003, 11:42 PM
well what i practically meant was that TF160SOAR and jdbjdb both didn't really care about the whole subject....while they both joined after the whole 'invasion' (for the lack of a better word), and they don't know what it was like before that...
Those nefarious Zionists! Not content to just invade and occupy the Arab world, they have now invaded and occupied MilitaryPhotos.Net! Damn Theodor Herzl and his ilk! Damn them to hell!
[/sarcasm]
usa320
10-12-2003, 01:01 AM
Wish I could say the same about the Noam Chomsky-type ultra-leftists who won't let you say "Bush" without screaming "American imperialism," won't let you say "take down Saddam" without saying "no blood for oil," and won't let you say "I hate Osama" without saying "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."
A FREAKIN MEN
ShotOver
10-12-2003, 01:06 AM
Yeah, i think i said it before, they all got their heads up their asses... :roll:
Pretty hard to ignore, just hope they know they have ruined this forum...
People have a right to their opinions, and as long as they abide by the Forum Rules and do not intentionally try to offend people, then they can post all they want IMO. One of the great things about this web site besides the pictures are the debates. I enjoy talking about politics/military etc and learning about other people's views, but the problem is the difficulty of keeping conversations civil. Simply ignoring all Israelis on this site would be discrimination, but ignoring ALL trolls of every nationality/ethnicity that come here to cause trouble would be a much better idea guys.
Andyman
10-12-2003, 02:32 AM
I dont understand why it it so hard for the Israelis to understand this quote
"One man's Terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"
It means that one man who has a terrorist let's say for this example Israel is pecked at by terrorist attacks, however those terrorists believe that their cause is great and worthiwhile and will grant them some sort of freedom. It's not a literal statement its more of a metaphor stating that there are biases on each side of the battlefield and surely each side will justify their actions whether it be the achievement of freedom or whatever. So stop freaking out when people quote that cause its meaning is very general, yet true.
By the way does anyone know if there is an individual who is credited for first writing or saying that line?, if so please let me know!
Shadow
10-12-2003, 04:02 AM
The Middeleastconflict is a big topic.
Hood could open a new Forum for that.
ShotOver
10-12-2003, 04:06 AM
http://www.opflashpoint.org/pt/gamecover.jpg
;)
Micke
10-12-2003, 04:11 AM
Middeleastconflict
Yesindeedthemiddleeastconflict. :|
StarvingStudent47
10-12-2003, 04:11 AM
I dont understand why it it so hard for the Israelis to understand this quote
"One man's Terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"
I don't think your average Israeli has any more trouble "understanding" that line than your average New Yorker does. Walk into any FDNY station, loudly annonce "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter," and see what happens.
By the way does anyone know if there is an individual who is credited for first writing or saying that line?, if so please let me know!
I believe it was coined by this man:
http://www.presidentmoron.com/headupass.jpg
Maciek
10-12-2003, 04:16 AM
"One man's Terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"
Enemy of my enemy is my friend
Sirpad
10-12-2003, 06:42 AM
Few things: i'm israely - i think the first one to post in this forum (back in the days of OEF). surprisingly, sometimes i'm also sick and tired of some of those (israeli) kids that f***-up a good discussion with their pro-israel, zealous attitude.
on the other hand (and that can turn into a big debate on its own), many of us - even those believing we should give the palestinians independence - feel that there is an a great deal of injustice in the international news coverage of the conflict. and that leads many of those people to take matters in their own hands and try explain the israeli point of view wherever they can. again - i agree that sometimes they over-do, and you can see i usualy don't take part in such discussions.
and to all the israelis in this forum - please relax a little bit, and use this forum for good things. not everybody in the world loves us, and just because someone don't like us it doesnt mean he is a neo-nazi anti-semitist jew-hater. BEKITZUR - TISTEMU KZAT ET HA PE VETERAG'U!
You forgeting the simle thing...that most of the topics about israel were open by nonisraelis....the israelis are just reply...they have the right. :bash:
ShotOver
10-12-2003, 07:18 AM
**** Sirpad, that is the most intellegent thing i've heard out of an Israeli in the past few days.
:D
**** Sirpad, that is the most intellegent thing i've heard out of an Israeli in the past few days.
:D
You read evrey thing that he wrote ?
ShotOver
10-12-2003, 07:36 AM
Most of it, he called you a kid though... that was pretty funny heh heh.
Most of it, he called you a kid though... that was pretty funny heh heh.
on the other hand (and that can turn into a big debate on its own), many of us - even those believing we should give the palestinians independence - feel that there is an a great deal of injustice in the international news coverage of the conflict. and that leads many of those people to take matters in their own hands and try explain the israeli point of view wherever they can. again - i agree that sometimes they over-do, and you can see i usualy don't take part in such discussions.
ShotOver
10-12-2003, 07:43 AM
But you must admit, if there was a group of russians around here blabbing about how right they are for invading Chechnya, and nit pick all the time and make arguments all the time in every topic, you would get pissed off.
But you must admit, if there was a group of russians around here blabbing about how right they are for invading Chechnya, and nit pick all the time and make arguments all the time in every topic, you would get pissed off.
FFS we don't start that wr flame !!! you are starting this...just see how much topic you guys opend....and all the reply from the israelis was a respond to something that you have said !! so what do you want ?
ShotOver
10-12-2003, 08:42 AM
Mate, what i think we all want is the Israelies in this forum to realise they are not the only ones getting bombed, and the 1973 war does not count anymore.
Mate, what i think we all want is the Israelies in this forum to realise they are not the only ones getting bombed, and the 1973 war does not count anymore.
Mate belive me...the only thing i want is that the world just live us along...there is plenty of wars..in africa a lot of people are getting killed evrey day...but i don't see any topic about this here......
We the israeli have the right to correct you if you telling something that is not true. don't you thonk so ?
And about 73 it was a damm war...we and why do you think we talked about her all thbe time ? i saw just 1 topic....anevresry dat..and that it.
ShotOver
10-12-2003, 08:52 AM
Yeah, it was a war.
But everytime we mention "Syria" or any other country Israel has beaten in a war you fellas start saying "We will beat everyone, we rule so much, we have the best army we will kick their asses just like in '73"
It gets tiring, i don't mind a argument or discussion with Israeli people, it just gets boring listening to the same **** all over and over again.
Yeah, it was a war.
But everytime we mention "Syria" or any other country Israel has beaten in a war you fellas start saying "We will beat everyone, we rule so much, we have the best army we will kick their asses just like in '73"
It gets tiring, i don't mind a argument or discussion with Israeli people, it just gets boring listening to the same **** all over and over again.
It just sick me....when american will said "m1 is the best tank in the world" you will not say **** !! and i can bet on that !!!
But if israeli will say "merkava is the best tank in the world" a goddamm war flame going to be...
And about 73 : when syria say "we will strike if israel will attack us" we have to right to say "come on...we will kick you but like we did in all the other wars"
don't you think ?
ShotOver
10-12-2003, 09:03 AM
Mate, nobody should say their tank is the best, their SF is the best, their Soldiers are the best..etc.
And i got no bone to pick with you mate, i'm just getting tired of it.
There isnt any syrians in here, so saying that you will kick their arses like the last time isnt really worth while, i am sure you will kick their arses...
Your soldiers should have alot of balls after what they put up with where they are.
maybe all israelians shud take sirpad as an example? :)
maybe all israelians shud take sirpad as an example? :)
Maybe all of you take jdbjdb as example ?
Argyll
10-12-2003, 09:31 AM
Maybe all of you take jdbjdb as example ?
He's as bias and as bitter as many of you lot!!
re Merkava 4 when's it seen combat numbnuts,has it ever been proven in an armour V armour engagement.........no so how the fu*k you know it's the best.
M1A1's had their fair share of losses too in Iraq,many to so called RPG's(which I doubt......more like MRATGW damages!!)
Challenger 2's did not! In fact the only callenger 2 loss AFAIR was due to another Challenger
AirZone
10-12-2003, 09:34 AM
Few things: i'm israely - i think the first one to post in this forum (back in the days of OEF). surprisingly, sometimes i'm also sick and tired of some of those (israeli) kids that f***-up a good discussion with their pro-israel, zealous attitude.
on the other hand (and that can turn into a big debate on its own), many of us - even those believing we should give the palestinians independence - feel that there is an a great deal of injustice in the international news coverage of the conflict. and that leads many of those people to take matters in their own hands and try explain the israeli point of view wherever they can. again - i agree that sometimes they over-do, and you can see i usualy don't take part in such discussions.
and to all the israelis in this forum - please relax a little bit, and use this forum for good things. not everybody in the world loves us, and just because someone don't like us it doesnt mean he is a neo-nazi anti-semitist jew-hater. BEKITZUR - TISTEMU KZAT ET HA PE VETERAG'U!
yeah you are right.. true mabye i got pissed when people say some thing they dont know about, not becuase they are stupid..lol well yeah some times because of that but mabye because of the media and when i see people just flame everything about israel i think hey its not right i should tell them my side tooo not only what the see in the news... its my right... and if i see some thing is wrong its my right to try and correct it but that person doesnt have to agree with me.. sure..but till now i saw israelis only responding for all the "israel sucks post"
but is not good only responding and defeanding...
but w/e
וסעמק סרפד זה מעצבן שהם כל הזמן צועקים חמס שישראל חראות ושאר הירקות והאמת שהם לא יודעים דבר מהחיים שלהם והם חושבים שהם כבר יכולים לפתור את כל הבעיות חוץ מהאיש שהיה באום שאותו אני מכבד.. אבל שיהיה..
ומה לעשות אנחנו הישראלים לא העם הכי רגוע rofl
(btw - if you dont have hebrew fonts i dont think you can see it right but n/m)
Maybe all of you take jdbjdb as example ?
He's as bias and as bitter as many of you lot!!
re Merkava 4 when's it seen combat numbnuts,has it ever been proven in an armour V armour engagement.........no so how the fu*k you know it's the best.
M1A1's had their fair share of losses too in Iraq,many to so called RPG's(which I doubt......more like MRATGW damages!!)
Challenger 2's did not! In fact the only callenger 2 loss AFAIR was due to another Challenger
When i ever said that Merkav 4 is the best tank in the world ? you see ? - :cantbeli:
Argyll
10-12-2003, 09:40 AM
Show me the post headed "Israel sucks"?
Once again you post a one sided argument!
Argyll
10-12-2003, 09:41 AM
UoUo
But if israeli will say "merkava is the best tank in the world" a goddamm war flame going to be...
How about that one you made less than 1hr ago?
Show me the post headed "Israel sucks"?
Once again you post a one sided argument!
I didn't see what you mean. soory.
AirZone
10-12-2003, 09:42 AM
Show me the post headed "Israel sucks"?
Once again you post a one sided argument!
why dont you go and look for it youself ?
really.. im serious..
just go to search and write israel or idf.
Argyll
10-12-2003, 09:45 AM
Nope
that's the attitude thing mate,if you are saying" Israel sucks" posts then that's what you must refer too,other wise you're twisting things to suit yourself...................Again!!
Take a leaf out of Sirpads book.
I co
AirZone
10-12-2003, 09:56 AM
Nope
that's the attitude thing mate,if you are saying" Israel sucks" posts then that's what you must refer too,other wise you're twisting things to suit yourself...................Again!!
Take a leaf out of Sirpads book.
I co
you know what.. im twisting thingy to suit myself...aww wait i forgot i always do "israeli propeganda"
anyway lets cut this childish cat&mouse replys
you want a fast "israel suck" ?
go to pics about israel&palastines you will see some nicey posts..
if you really want it that bad i will look for more proofs...
ShotOver
10-12-2003, 09:56 AM
Argyll, take over mate, have a good one :D
Argyll
10-12-2003, 10:05 AM
Just show me the post that says "israel sucks".......nothing more nothing less,I'm not interested in views or opinions on other threads,you made an accusation........so just show me the post please?
AirZone
10-12-2003, 10:12 AM
Argyll, take over mate, have a good one :D
uh...hmmm..HEY !!! lol rofl
AirZone
10-12-2003, 10:24 AM
Just show me the post that says "israel sucks".......nothing more nothing less,I'm not interested in views or opinions on other threads,you made an accusation........so just show me the post please?
i think you misunderstood me.. i didnt mean "israel sucks" in this theard
i mean in the photos galleries and everywhere when people talking about the middle east conflict
Argyll
10-12-2003, 10:45 AM
Actually mate,a lot of folks here think that Israel does a good job dealing with terrorism,what usually happens is that someone will post something that goes against what Israel says/does,and that's when the stinky stuff hits the fan,you know the thing is they're just opinions,they're just like ares holes ........everyone has one!!
Nobody here is a politician who's opinions are posted,and nobodys opinion is going to make a difference in the way things are conducted,that's for the aforementioned Politicians and Generals to do.
Every individual has a right of opinion,and not everyone agress with another countries Foreign Policy,and many don't give a **** either,because at the end of the day it don't matter a damn what's been said,nothing changes!!!
budanski
10-12-2003, 11:18 AM
Hi Mom!! :D
ArmoredDov_D9
10-12-2003, 11:51 AM
As a general remarks:
We, the Israelis, are very sensitive when talking about Arab terrorism, a specially - when someone trying to advocate it. Many of us, knew someonw who got hurt (or even murdered) in a terrorist attack. Some of us even witnessed a suicide bombing. We see it as great insult and violating the fignity of the dead when someone tries to advocate or glorify those brutal murderous act or present their maker (the terrorists) as noble "freedom fighter". Consider also that only 60 year ago Jewish life considered worthless and many of us affraid that this faulty attitude still holds dominant.
Also, there are some people here suggesting to disband Israel and subjecy its Jews to Arab government. Of course, it is outraging us and makes us react passionately. Please think, how would a Polish react if someone will say that Poland donesn't have the right to exist and to be divided between Germany and Russia?
I think that if each one of us will try to considerate each other, things will chill down.
Maybe all of you take jdbjdb as example ?
He's as bias and as bitter as many of you lot!!
re Merkava 4 when's it seen combat numbnuts,has it ever been proven in an armour V armour engagement.........no so how the fu*k you know it's the best.
M1A1's had their fair share of losses too in Iraq,many to so called RPG's(which I doubt......more like MRATGW damages!!)
Challenger 2's did not! In fact the only callenger 2 loss AFAIR was due to another Challenger
When i ever said that Merkav 4 is the best tank in the world ? you see ? - :cantbeli:
How about opening a new discussion about tanks? It isn't that I against discussing on Merkavas and M1s and Leopard2s but you should do it in a new topic and not as "OFF-TOPIC" in this topic.
Argyll
10-12-2003, 12:24 PM
Why not,all these topics start to go off topic anyway :lol:
AirZone
10-12-2003, 12:30 PM
Why not,all these topics start to go off topic anyway :lol:
you know that Merkava MK4 > all
come on !!! admit it rofl :hug:
Argyll
10-12-2003, 12:41 PM
rofl :hug: I love humour is great for diffusing stupid situations eh?
Herrmannek
10-12-2003, 01:41 PM
Please think, how would a Polish react if someone will say that Poland donesn't have the right to exist and to be divided between Germany and Russia?
Don't call wolf from the forest...This **** had happened to us 4 times already :). And some think that joinig UE is 5th...
Maybe all of you take jdbjdb as example ?
He's as bias and as bitter as many of you lot!!
thats rich coming from a guy born with two left hands.
Argyll
10-12-2003, 02:46 PM
SOG,
Give me an example please of me showing Bias or bitterness towards the Israelis ?
Can you provide me with anything that says I support the Palestinians
Can you proide the same saying how much I hate Isaeli's or anyone as a matter of fact?
In all my time posting here,which is a damn sight longer than you btw,the only people I've said I disliked were Turks,and I gave my reasons
So if your going to make such accustations,take a look in the mirror pal
Its also quite rich for somebody born with an arse for a mouth!
Argyll
10-12-2003, 03:05 PM
Just for some other peoples benefit,I support no Political party,I can't stand any of em cause they're all so full of it.
I'm also of no religious persuassion either,they too are so full of hypocricy,and if it were not for religion and politics,then the world would not be so "Fuc*ed Up"
budanski
10-12-2003, 03:07 PM
I'd expect that Tane, seeing that you're a senior citizen and all. ;) Don't worry, Bush and Co. arent out to take away your benefits.
With that said, I agree. There should be a worldwide ban on abortion and huge taxes. Once that is enacted, I would consider a ban on executions.
It is mind-boggling how the liberals would want to spare the life of guilty criminals who have violated other people's rights, but not spare the life of unborn children who have violated no one's rights. Please explain to me where trees and animals have more rights than an unborn child?
It is mind-boggling how the liberals would want to spare the life of guilty criminals who have violated other people's rights, but not spare the life of unborn children who have violated no one's rights. Please explain to me where trees and animals have more rights than an unborn child?
being against abortion is rather cruel to both the child and the mother..i mean, take a rape victim for example..now thats great when u'r a 16-year old girl who's been raped and u get pregnant :roll: or even when it aint from a raping but just an 'accident'...well thats great, getting a kid at 17...it basically means u'r pretty f00ked (ask any woman that got a kid at that age)
Seoulstriker
10-12-2003, 03:27 PM
It is mind-boggling how the liberals would want to spare the life of guilty criminals who have violated other people's rights, but not spare the life of unborn children who have violated no one's rights. Please explain to me where trees and animals have more rights than an unborn child?
being against abortion is rather cruel to both the child and the mother..i mean, take a rape victim for example..now thats great when u'r a 16-year old girl who's been raped and u get pregnant :roll: or even when it aint from a raping but just an 'accident'...well thats great, getting a kid at 17...it basically means u'r pretty f00ked (ask any woman that got a kid at that age)
let's see... if the baby of a 13 year old girl is born and is around 1 day old, and she doesn't want a child to ruin her life, and she kills that baby, is that wrong?
what if the child is in the process of being born, and he/she is killed, is that wrong?
what about 1 day before birth, is that wrong?
what about 1 month before birth, is that wrong?
basically, if you travel back from when you consider a child as a child, there is no difference except in time. murder is murder.
u can hardly call taking out something that's hardly more than an embryo murder... it's like calling eating eggs killing baby chicken..
budanski
10-12-2003, 03:32 PM
It is mind-boggling how the liberals would want to spare the life of guilty criminals who have violated other people's rights, but not spare the life of unborn children who have violated no one's rights. Please explain to me where trees and animals have more rights than an unborn child?
being against abortion is rather cruel to both the child and the mother..i mean, take a rape victim for example..now thats great when u'r a 16-year old girl who's been raped and u get pregnant :roll: or even when it aint from a raping but just an 'accident'...well thats great, getting a kid at 17...it basically means u'r pretty f00ked (ask any woman that got a kid at that age)
Theres this concept of putting a child up for adoption.
u can hardly call taking out something that's hardly more than an embryo murder... it's like calling eating eggs killing baby chicken..
Whats wrong with eating baby chickens?
Seoulstriker
10-12-2003, 03:44 PM
u can hardly call taking out something that's hardly more than an embryo murder... it's like calling eating eggs killing baby chicken..
when you take out the embryo, blastocyst, fetus, or fertilized egg from the natural environment of the mother's body, you are killing that life. time is all that changes the 'status' of the life.
Herrmannek
10-12-2003, 04:12 PM
Tell that to feminists.
Seoulstriker
10-12-2003, 04:41 PM
Tell that to feminists.
Feminazis. --> only care about the imaginary 'right to kill' unborn children.
SOG,
Give me an example please of me showing Bias or bitterness towards the Israelis ?
Can you provide me with anything that says I support the Palestinians
Can you proide the same saying how much I hate Isaeli's or anyone as a matter of fact?
In all my time posting here,which is a damn sight longer than you btw,the only people I've said I disliked were Turks,and I gave my reasons
So if your going to make such accustations,take a look in the mirror pal
Its also quite rich for somebody born with an arse for a mouth!
i never said you showed bias towards the israelis.
i never said you support pal's.
i never gave any accusations but simply implying you lay with the left do you not? i could care less how long youve been here. do you want a cookie? does it make your opinion more valid? why bring that up at all?
i just said you were liberal. i never said what about. i tend to lean conservative-neutral-dont care. you accused someone of being biased, i simply stated you were also, appearantly that didnt get by your beer-o-meter. everyone here is bias to a degree, if they were not it would be quite boring. for you to blatantly point this out is erronious at best. you pointing out someone else is bias is at its best laughable as we ourselves have clashed upon several issues and your always on the left.
it was a joke, born with two left hands, born with two right hands (this can dopple into masturbatory jokes as well. it wasnt a viscous slight. if you want to go there i have no problem with that.
if your going to put words in my mouth at least quote what i said instead of making up disulusioned attacks at mere whim.
oh yes yes, funny insult like the ass for the head one also, please dont strain your theasaurus for clever wit.
these stupid jews have riled us ag-ain, oh, what am i to do. :roll:
(sarcasmometer) 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-(8)-9-10
Argyll
10-12-2003, 05:31 PM
SOG,
rofl , I see the left as in my party beliefs,I get it now!!
Nah I'm no leftist,I'm a no party couldn't give a **** type of guy!
See I'm Scottish so left and right holds no ground I guess,tell you the truth,whatever side people tend to lean,the other side just argue against any way!! rofl
looks like there's room for fun then?
Beowulf
10-12-2003, 05:35 PM
wow.....very diverse thread....it's kinda funny
-b
p.s. abortion sucks
Argyll
10-12-2003, 05:36 PM
so does a hoover!!
Beowulf
10-12-2003, 05:39 PM
so does a hoover!!
yes but nothing sucks like an electrolux! woot
Argyll
10-12-2003, 05:43 PM
My wife does ;)
It is mind-boggling how the liberals would want to spare the life of guilty criminals who have violated other people's rights, but not spare the life of unborn children who have violated no one's rights. Please explain to me where trees and animals have more rights than an unborn child?
being against abortion is rather cruel to both the child and the mother..i mean, take a rape victim for example..now thats great when u'r a 16-year old girl who's been raped and u get pregnant :roll: or even when it aint from a raping but just an 'accident'...well thats great, getting a kid at 17...it basically means u'r pretty f00ked (ask any woman that got a kid at that age)
oh oh yes, this is great, so we should abort millions of lives a year because a inhuman tragedy occured. please stop my chronometer, my sides are aching with laughter. so im cruel because i dont believe in killing babies (yes late term 6 month fetus abortions) so we must blood sacrifice silent lives for one illgotten wronging in our world? is that really ur base logic against abortion? yes i would feel quite bad for anyone who was raped and got pregnant, in fact even though im against abortion in most cases i do think it would be fine in certain areas. as tain mentioned about like a mother might die if she has a kid so aborting the baby is in the interest of saving a life (although on the side i know many mothers who deeply love thier unborn they would willingly die for them).
when people say they are against abortion you apply the term so literally because you want to make them out as bad people or as religious whackos. god forbid yous top and think about the dumb sluts getting knocked up having fun, lazying about till there 3 or 5 months pregnant then freaking and get a abortion. its murder on demand quite then. im sorry but when you slice and dice something with tiny fingers and little legs, just because you cant hear it scream or it doesnt function out of the womb doesnt make it a non living creature, most wonderfull at that.
this hiding of a womens emotions after a abortion and the secrecy and discretion used during the abortion so the woman knows virtually nothing of the process and the dumbing down of the knowledge of the entire procedure and the process to the public then touting "what if" cases is truly sad. using extremes to warrant mass murder on a societies lackadaisical whim.
SOG,
,tell you the truth,whatever side people tend to lean,the other side just argue against any way!! rofl
looks like there's room for fun then?
oi oi, i can respect a good virtual brawl. just confusing sometimes is all.
NcDeuce
10-12-2003, 07:11 PM
:cantbeli:
Seoulstriker
10-12-2003, 07:18 PM
p.s. abortion sucks
the abortion procedure is truly barbaric. sucking out the brain of a fetus is... is... horrific. almost to the level of experimentation on humans in Nazi Germany.
Ichhabe
10-12-2003, 10:10 PM
I am a European, and then of course a pro-abortionist. I think it is up to them who are in the situation of being pregnant, to decide what to do with whats inside their womb up to a surten time.
Here in Norway, that time is up to the 12. week of pregnancy.
To call abortion murder, wont help on the psychic of them who find themself in a situation were they find that the abortion is a solution to their problems.
Seoulstriker
10-12-2003, 10:16 PM
I am a European, and then of course a pro-abortionist. I think it is up to them who are in the situation of being pregnant, to decide what to do with whats inside their womb up to a surten time.
Here in Norway, that time is up to the 12. week of pregnancy.
To call abortion murder, wont help on the psychic of them who find themself in a situation were they find that the abortion is a solution to their problems.
1) many people find murder (of wife, boss, etc) a solution to their problems. :roll:
2) what 'surten' (certain) time do you think is appropriate for abortion? why not abort after birth? during birth? 1 hour before birth? 1 day before birth? 1 month before birth? 6 months before birth? 8.5 months?
Norway:
12 weeks = 3 months.
what is so special about 3 months?
non-zero possibility
10-12-2003, 11:32 PM
I did not read through every single post, forgive me if I sound off.
I have my own opinions about isreal, but I am not going to say them because I do not want to start A fight, obviously anyone is welcome here so we do not have to fight, a colective ignoring of them is insulting and I think a bad course of action, I think if you dont agree with them but you think that a argument would never end, just ignor them, but Anyone can have a good point or good comment so.. yeah.
we need to do this one----> :hug:
Herrmannek
10-13-2003, 03:32 AM
Read s-f book of P.K. **** about abortion of older(~6 year old don't remember exacly) good reading.
We generaly agree abortion but what do yuo think about euthanasia?
budanski
10-13-2003, 09:48 AM
Please show us the light dear Ichhabe, so that we can pull our great nation out of the dark ages and to someday be as noble as the rest of you Euro-Peons. ;)
In a world where nobody accepts responsibility for their actions, why do we find it so surprising that this is true.
Under normal conditions it take two, one male and one female, to make a baby. Why, when each one of the two, neglects to take responsibility for their ****** pleasure they find it so easy to go to a murder for money doctor or just pop a pill to rid themselves of the results of the careless actions.
I suspect that the world is gaining speed on the down side of the curve.
And it ain't easier with people lie most of them that has spoken their mind in here are yelling from the side line. Man! Some of you really belong back in the dark ages.
im against murder on demand so im from the dark ages or belong there? thats rich. actually i heavily questioned my best friend about it one night since he was pro abortion also and basically his thoughts came down to, its not out, so its not real, so killing it while its in is fine. then later on he changed his mind slightly towards getting a abortion after a month. it was interesting just laying down base logic and procedure of a abortion and how it simply changed his mind on so many levels. he just bought into the ol BS argument "its a womans right" and we cant trample rights because this isnt the "dark ages". odd how everyone is disinformed and herded just like the "dark ages".
tane i have some questions regarding death penalty, ive never been really deep on this and ive never cared one way or another so id like someone to answer some questions off the bat.
1. what should be done with serious murders? can they be truly rehabilitated?
2. should society bear the cost of everyone who screws up? i know prison aint a picknick and also its hard to rehab someone in that setting. im guessing along the lines of a rehab overhall with certain levels of prisons might do the trick but that would be very hard and costly therefore impratical and a pipeline dream?
3. why not a eye for a eye? what about hard justice in the case of plain murder. i know theres varying levels of why a murder was comitted etc but if we came down hard wouldnt it curb the incidents? would we be barbaric for instilling a harder faster death penalty or would we be more barbaric for housing such criminals like punished children and shaking our finger at them for twenty years till they are rehabed?
4. would a change require a restructure of society? like basically, those who murdered or commited crimes, did because they had nothing to lose, so if we change that aspect and work harder at debasing the poor into mainstream jobs? but this circles back into drugs and under crime and sweeping any means of that so people are motivated to get real jobs. its like anytime i think of any serious prevention to murder concerning robbery or poverty or being brought up a certain way it would require a healthy change in society which again sounds like a dream.
5. what about mass murderers? mcvey, bombers, indescrimenant killers, possessed psychos? are anti death penaty people all or nothing?
Herrmannek
10-13-2003, 09:56 AM
what 'surten' (certain) time do you think is appropriate for abortion?
As the law says: out the 12. week of pregnancy.
1 hour before birth?
Hmm? You are really in to this. How can you tell that a birth is only 1 hour away? What methods have you developed giving away such information.
The same method you used to count that less than 12 week it's not a human.
Ichhabe
10-13-2003, 09:59 AM
¨budanski. Do not twist my words.
Seoulstriker
10-13-2003, 10:19 AM
I am a European, and then of course a pro-abortionist. I think it is up to them who are in the situation of being pregnant, to decide what to do with whats inside their womb up to a surten time.
Here in Norway, that time is up to the 12. week of pregnancy.
To call abortion murder, wont help on the psychic of them who find themself in a situation were they find that the abortion is a solution to their problems.
1) many people find murder (of wife, boss, etc) a solution to their problems. :roll:
2) what 'surten' (certain) time do you think is appropriate for abortion? why not abort after birth? during birth? 1 hour before birth? 1 day before birth? 1 month before birth? 6 months before birth? 8.5 months?
Norway:
12 weeks = 3 months.
what is so special about 3 months?
Well, that is their personal tradegy. Cannot see how you can compare it with abortion.
just as it is a tragedy and immoral to kill someone because you think it is a 'solution', abortion is a tragedy and is immoral.
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what 'surten' (certain) time do you think is appropriate for abortion?
As the law says: out the 12. week of pregnancy.
what do you think is the proper time for an abortion? i'm not asking about what the law is in Norway.
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why not abort after birth?
You cannot abort something already done.
don't use the term 'abortion'. How about 'killing the fetus'? are you familiar with partial birth abortion?
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during birth?
I see your litteraly a comedian. Technically all births are then abortions, hence to the fact that it is ENDEX precnancy.
partial-birth abortion.
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1 hour before birth?
Hmm? You are really in to this. How can you tell that a birth is only 1 hour away? What methods have you developed giving away such information.
contractions of the uterus and dilations of the cervix.
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1 month before birth? 6 months
Only if the pregnancy endanger the mother. Afther the 12. week of pregnancy here in Norway, that is allowed. But only after strong medical evidence.
when is it medically necessary for a woman to have an abortion? did you know that abortion puts an enormous amount of risk on the mother both psychologically and physiologically?
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Norway:
12 weeks = 3 months.
what is so special about 3 months?
I am of course no expert on this field either. But those who knows about this says that the fetus has not quite developed it self to a human. There are a lot of other reasons to. But I do not wan't to become a expert on this field either, so I did not investigate it.
there is absolutely nothing special about 3 months. it is simply an amount of time in the cycle of fetal development.
All I know, is that I am not to take the high morale ground on this. Why women choose to abort, it is their reason.
why murderers choose to murder, it is their reason. :roll:
But do you really think that this decission comes easy on them? Most of them who choose this way out, really put the + and - up toward eachother before they, with a heavy heart go through such an experience.
when a woman walks into a 'planned parenthood' clinic to find out the best way to deal with having a child, they are almost always persuaded to undergo an abortion. they are persuaded to think that there is no risk of complication or risk of severe psychological trauma.
that is why the woman in 'Roe v. Wade' is now a staunch advocate for preserving life.[/b]
Seoulstriker
10-13-2003, 10:36 AM
time warp! whoa!
Ichhabe
10-13-2003, 10:44 AM
seoulstriker: your nick has just turned in to a deeper newer more evil sicker meaning. (to help you if you do not know what I mean: Soul striker.)I stop now to "debate" you on this off topic issue. Go seek help. Yor are a very very sick boy.
You truly truly truly disgust me.
No act as you are have a healthy mind, and remove those pictures.
Seoulstriker
10-13-2003, 10:49 AM
seoulstriker: your nick has just turned in to a deeper newer more evil sicker meaning. (to help you if you do not know what I mean: Soul striker.)I stop now to "debate" you on this off topic issue. Go seek help. Yor are a very very sick boy.
You truly truly truly disgust me.
No act as you are have a healthy mind, and remove those pictures.
yeah, it is hard to advocate something when you actually know how barbaric the practice is.
Herrmannek
10-13-2003, 11:00 AM
Seulstriker, this was strong argument, i fought that ~12 weeks is still more or less shapless heap of cells. I't sad what people can do for money or career.
lol, and the truth shall........ put you deeper into denial. that whole bit, peoples minds are like cement, all mixed up and permenately set.
actually i thought these abortions activists were a bit loony toony until some freaky chic anti choice activist showed me a jar with a aborted phetus in it. i thought she was pretty ****ed in the head for having it, holding that jar had to have been the weirdest thing i have ever felt and seen in my life. ive held down a car accident victims legs as he was kicking and screaming after getting launched throw his window with half his stomach hanging out, ive seen a man near beat to death 10 feet from our apartment porch as a kid and i saw my step dad die of a heart attack coughing up a gross amount of blood, none of them held a stick to me holding that jar. there is something so eerie about that.
i dont know how people hide from this whether it be they reason it in a sick way or are set in thier ways or just dont care. hell, i respect just not caring, ignorance is bliss, but if you know and still condone it just baffles me. while the pictures above are disturbing and i hope my schedule today is full so i wont think of them i find it twisted people wine and dine politics and scream anti war, which may be just or injust, but to ignore this willingly after knowing the facts just seems crazy.
Ichhabe, while i understand choice and the cost of freedom and choice can sometimes mean life 3 month abortions seems like plain murder. if they base that off any development statistics or upon someones laziness it just doesnt add up. its like killing retards because theoretically they have the same "development" of a infant or even a vegetable. in fact by a developmental reason i can see killing old people who just sit there half dead all day not muttering a word hunched in half over killing a baby with great potential. i think my friend ran me throw every excuse in the book like its not developed, its still dependant. the only excuse id buy is its a inconvienence for my life style so ill justify indiscriminate murder. hell if you want to commit justifiable murder i could point you to my next door crack heads and how to solve crime and future crime. abortions okay simply because it has no face. if you put a image to it, it becomes horrible.
if your only excuse is choice and to why two fully grown adults cant bring a single ounce of prevention to the table then i fear that america is indeed not as lazy as these other countries. people are the same wherever you go. imagine that.
and seoul, jesus man, i just ate. you suck. :)
Seoulstriker
10-13-2003, 11:40 AM
Seulstriker, this was strong argument, i fought that ~12 weeks is still more or less shapless heap of cells. I't sad what people can do for money or career.
::
the number of U.S. medical school graduates entering residency programs in obstetrics and gynecology has declined over the past 6 years, in both numbers and percentage of graduates. (Association of American Medical Colleges)
Doctors who are involved in abortions want to get as far away from that as possible once they have performed the operation. Future doctors want nothing to do with these barbaric practices.
How could any sensitive doctor continue his practice when the fruits of the labor are what were seen above?
Seoulstriker
10-13-2003, 11:49 AM
http://www.abortiontv.com/silentscream.htm
Dr. Nathanson discusses the abortionist who agreed to allow this abortion to be filmed with ultrasound. The abortionist was quite skilled, having performed more than 10,000 abortions. We discover that the resulting ultrasound of his abortion so appalled him that he never again performed another abortion.
The clip begins with an ultrasound of the fetus (girl) who is about to be aborted. The girl is moving in the womb; displays a heartbeat of 140 per minute; and is at times sucking her thumb. As the abortionist’s suction tip begins to invade the womb, the child rears and moves violently in an attempt to avoid the instrument. Her mouth is visibly open in a "silent scream."
The child’s heart rate speeds up dramatically (to 200 beats per minute) as she senses aggression. She moves violently away in a pathetic attempt to escape the instrument. The abortionist’s suction tip begins to rip the baby’s limbs from its body, ultimately leaving only her head in the uterus (too large to be pulled from the uterus in one piece). The abortionist attempts to crush her head with his forceps, allowing it to be removed
In an effort to "dehumanize" the procedure, the abortionist and anesthesiologist refer to the baby’s head as "number 1." The abortionist crushes "number 1" with the forceps and removes it from the uterus.
Women are victims, too. They haven’t been told about the true nature of the unborn child or the facts about abortion procedures. Their wombs have been perforated, infected, destroyed, and sterilized. All as a result of an operation about which they they have had no true knowledge. Films like this must be made part of "informed consent." NARAL (National Abortion Rights Action League) and Planned Parenthood are accused of a conspiracy of silence, of keeping women in the dark about the reality of abortion. Finally, Dr. Nathanson discusses his credentials. He is a former abortionist, having been the director of the largest clinic in the Western world.
I'm going to throw up now. :(
Seoulstriker
10-13-2003, 11:50 AM
and seoul, jesus man, i just ate. you suck. :)
I am really going to throw up after seeing this stuff...
Beowulf
10-13-2003, 11:53 AM
It would be better if you just posted the links to those pics.....thanks
All best
-b
edit: nevermind...I went ahead and did it. I understand why you posted the pics...and I agree with you in terms of the discussion, but it's better to give people the option of clicking the links or not. Thanks,
-b
Seoulstriker
10-13-2003, 11:56 AM
It would be better if you just posted the links to those pics.....thanks
I went ahead and did it. I understand why you posted the pics...and I agree with you in terms of the discussion, but it's better to give people the option of clicking the links or not.
All best
-b
oh, ok. sorry. :oops:
EDIT: I thought SOP was to put the disclaimer above the photos. :oops:
Beowulf
10-13-2003, 12:06 PM
It would be better if you just posted the links to those pics.....thanks
I went ahead and did it. I understand why you posted the pics...and I agree with you in terms of the discussion, but it's better to give people the option of clicking the links or not.
All best
-b
oh, ok. sorry. :oops:
EDIT: I thought SOP was to put the disclaimer above the photos. :oops:
the disclaimer was cool, I'll ask Hood about clarifying the forum rules regarding offensive/graphic posts
Seoulstriker
10-13-2003, 12:10 PM
It would be better if you just posted the links to those pics.....thanks
I went ahead and did it. I understand why you posted the pics...and I agree with you in terms of the discussion, but it's better to give people the option of clicking the links or not.
All best
-b
oh, ok. sorry. :oops:
EDIT: I thought SOP was to put the disclaimer above the photos. :oops:
the disclaimer was cool, I'll ask Hood about clarifying the forum rules regarding offensive/graphic posts
thanks. I remember how all other posts with the same nature (images of dead people on buses, dead bodies in Iraq, etc) had the disclaimer.
Nawlins
10-13-2003, 01:23 PM
Not much I suppose. I've argued with people over these issues many times, and it seems that most people are pretty set in their opinion, one way or the other. I'm sure none of this will change anyone's mind about it.
Nawlins
10-13-2003, 02:07 PM
It is good to see different views. For myself, debate about certain issues has helped me to refine my own opinions and determine what I really believe. So maybe that's the reason. Or maybe it's just our competitive nature.
Seoulstriker
10-13-2003, 02:10 PM
It is good to see different views. For myself, debate about certain issues has helped me to refine my own opinions and determine what I really believe. So maybe that's the reason. Or maybe it's just our competitive nature.
exactly. debating things has certainly made me more passionate in what I believe. for instance, i believed that it is OK for women to have abortions in cases of rape and incest. then, after much debating, I realized that there is no moral relativity: murdering a child is murdering a child. there is no way around it.
Herrmannek
10-13-2003, 02:14 PM
It is good to see different views. For myself, debate about certain issues has helped me to refine my own opinions and determine what I really believe. So maybe that's the reason. Or maybe it's just our competitive nature.
In my case Both :)
Nawlins
10-13-2003, 02:33 PM
Haha... yeah me too. I can be pretty competitive.
Saranof
10-13-2003, 03:12 PM
With all the Israelis that have started to browse this site lately, there have been many arguements between them and the rest of the boards respective members. It is annoying that everytime they open their mouths if you react to it the wrong way, they bitch and complain till kingdom come.
Funny, I'm an American (hence one of "the rest of the board's respective members") and I don't mind Israeli posters and don't find that they butt into things. Wish I could say the same about the Noam Chomsky-type ultra-leftists who won't let you say "Bush" without screaming "American imperialism," won't let you say "take down Saddam" without saying "no blood for oil," and won't let you say "I hate Osama" without saying "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."
You know, people like you are widely used as preem examples of brainwashed mugs.
No offence, but you actually seem to belive what you say! That everyone who opposes the war is a ultra leftist. the part that pisses me off the most, is that you try to ignore the FACT that one mans terrorist is anthoers freedom fighter.
Grow up and learn something about other types of media, apart from rabidisraelipatriot.com
IDFM203
10-13-2003, 03:22 PM
With all the Israelis that have started to browse this site lately, there have been many arguements between them and the rest of the boards respective members. It is annoying that everytime they open their mouths if you react to it the wrong way, they bitch and complain till kingdom come.
Funny, I'm an American (hence one of "the rest of the board's respective members") and I don't mind Israeli posters and don't find that they butt into things. Wish I could say the same about the Noam Chomsky-type ultra-leftists who won't let you say "Bush" without screaming "American imperialism," won't let you say "take down Saddam" without saying "no blood for oil," and won't let you say "I hate Osama" without saying "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."
You know, people like you are widely used as preem examples of brainwashed mugs.
No offence, but you actually seem to belive what you say! That everyone who opposes the war is a ultra leftist. the part that pisses me off the most, is that you try to ignore the FACT that one mans terrorist is anthoers freedom fighter.
Grow up and learn something about other types of media, apart from rabidisraelipatriot.com
Your a perfect example of someone perpetrating the israeli/palasltinin conflict when as you see a lot have tried in this thread to get off it but yet you drag it back in.
I am simply responding to you now when I was hoping to see it die down.
Oh and your one liner (“one men terrorists is ano……………”) is not relevant to this middle east.
That line of yours is responded by this line that really shows the facts of that conflict.
”If the Palestinians put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Israelis put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel"
Nawlins
10-13-2003, 03:30 PM
You know, people like you are widely used as preem examples of brainwashed mugs.
No offence, but you actually seem to belive what you say! That everyone who opposes the war is a ultra leftist.
It didn't seem to me like that was what he was saying. What I understood is that he just doesn't like those who are ultra-leftist, but not that everyone who opposes the war is ultra-leftist. And if what I understand is correct, I pretty much feel the same way.
On another post, I was talking about "Don't feed the troll"...
yes, It is dangerous to feed a troll ! they are big and strong and can eat you alive...
redhawk_six
10-16-2003, 04:05 PM
It is annoying that everytime they open their mouths if you react to it the wrong way
exactly. when someone is wrong, they must be corrected.
Then you pro-Bush people should stop getting so mad when someone posts an anti-Bush remark. It IS the same thing, someone simply stating their opinion which happens to differ from yours.
And I, as a Jewish Canadian, resent people painting all Israelis on this board with the same brush. Hell, I resent it no matter what group you're talking about, Israelis, French, Canadians, Arabs, Americans, Asians, whatever. It's just plain stupid and ignorant.
born_to_kill
05-09-2004, 08:40 PM
THIS IS ANTI SEMETIC!
:lol: :lol: :lol: rofl
Ratamacue
05-09-2004, 08:46 PM
THIS IS ANTI SEMETIC!
:lol: :lol: :lol: rofl
Gravedigger.
UkrainianAmerican
05-09-2004, 10:31 PM
Wow, ABORTION debate almost saved this thread for a while.
O well it was fun to see how "tolerant" of other opinions most of the pro-abotion army was.
born_to_kill
05-09-2004, 10:34 PM
WERE HERE TO STAY
Seoulstriker
05-09-2004, 10:39 PM
This s*** is whack.
mocking_loudly_died
05-09-2004, 11:17 PM
Man this thread is fooking old.
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