Aristide House

[elguapo]

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Members of Haiti's disbanded Armed Forces look out from a guard post at the former home of ex-President Jean-Bertrand Aristide in Tabarre, Haiti, on December 16, 2004. The home is surrounded by UN peacekeepers and Haitian police who are negotiating with them to leave the grounds. The government ordered them out and fired the mayor of Tabarre, who was the person who gave them permission to move in. *******/Daniel Morel


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Ex-soldiers stand in the backyard at the former home of ousted President Jean Bertrand Aristide in the suburb of Tabarre in Port-au-Prince, Haiti,Thursday, Dec.16,2004. (AP Photo/Ariana Cubillos)

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Ex-soldiers look out from a guard post at the former home of ousted President Jean Bertrand Aristide in the suburb of Tabarre in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Thursday, Dec.16, 2004. (AP Photo/Evens Sanon)


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Remissainthe Ravix, former sergeant of the now-disbanded Haitian Armed Forces, surrounded by former soldiers who call him 'General,' stands in the living room of ex-Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide in Tabarre, Haiti, on Dec. 15, 2004, a few hours after Ravix and his men took over the home and its grounds to use as a base for what they call the 'Haitian Armed Forces.' Ravix said Aristide's living room, where the ex-president once received foreign presidents and others, will be used as a reception room. Ravix said the mayor of Tabarre gave them the use of the home and grounds. *******/Daniel Morel

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Brazilian UN peacekeepers in armored personnel carriers stand guard outside the former home of deposed Haiti President Jean-Bertrand Aristide in Tabarre, Haiti December 16, 2004, as they and the Haitian government negotiated with former members of Haiti's disbanded armed forces who took over the house and grounds yesterday. The government ordered them out and fired the mayor of Tabarre, who gave the soldiers permission to move in. *******/Daniel Morel

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U.N. Brazilian peacekeepers surround the former home of ousted President Jean Bertrand Aristide, off frame at left of UN vehicle, in an attempt to help the government reclaim the estate from rebel occupiers in the suburb of Tabarre in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Thursday, Dec.16, 2004. (AP Photo/Ariana Cubillos)

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U.N. Brazilian peacekeepers take rest near at the former home of ousted President Jean Bertrand Aristide in the suburb of Tabarre in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Thursday, Dec.16, 2004. (AP Photo/Evens Sanon

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Brazilian General Augusto Heleno Ribiera, (R) head of the UN peacekeeping force in Haiti, talks with other Brazilian peacekeepers near the former home of ex-President Jean-Bertrand Aristide in Tabarre, Haiti, December 16, 2004. Members of Haiti's disbanded Armed Forces occupied the home yesterday and today UN peacekeepers and the Haitian National Police surrounded in order to force the ex-soldiers out. *******/Daniel

Hey Haiti Police is shopping in Miami or what??? woot

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TABARRE, HAITI: UN Peacekeeping and Haitian police patrol 16 December 2004, the area around the former residence of ousted Haitian president Jean-Bertrand Aristide in Tabarre, near Port au Prince. UN peacekeepers on 14 December, tried to restore order in one of Haiti's most violent slums, but could not prevent the shooting death of a teenager in downtown Port-au-Prince. Supporters of former president Jean Bertrand Aristide, named after mythical fire-breathing chimeras, were believed to have fired several shots in a downtown neighborhood of the capital. Fourteen people were wounded by flying bullets, hospital sources said. The chimeras were also accused of trying to set a downtown hotel on fire and exchanging shots with police who arrived at the scene. AFP PHOTO Thony BELIZAIRE (Photo credit should read THONY BELIZAIRE/AFP/***** Images)


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UN tries to evict Haiti rebels from Aristide home
16 Dec 2004 17:37:56 GMT

Source: *******

By Joseph Guyler Delva

PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti, Dec 16 (*******) - U.N. troops surrounded the home of ousted Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide on Thursday and threatened to forcefully evict rebel former soldiers who seized the abandoned compound.

About 100 heavily armed former soldiers who helped lead the revolt that drove Aristide from Haiti in February took over his home in the Port-au-Prince suburb of Tabarre on Wednesday and said they would use its grounds to train a new army. Aristide is living in exile in South Africa.

The interim government of Prime Minister Gerard Latortue ordered the rebels off the property. Hours before daybreak on Thursday, U.N. troops in armored vehicles surrounded the compound, blocked access roads and used megaphones to urge neighbors to evacuate in case shooting broke out.

The U.N. troops said they were willing to use force if necessary to evict the rebels but were trying to negotiate their peaceful departure.

"We are negotiating with the former military but they request the presence of representatives of the government," said Col. Carlos Chagas, an assistant to the commander of the U.N. peacekeeping force in Haiti. "We are here to make sure the will of the state is enforced."

Fleeing neighbors, students and curious onlookers gathered outside the perimeter.

"We don't want foreign soldiers to shoot at Haitian former military. We agree they have to leave the house, but we don't want foreigners to shoot at them," said local resident Mogene Mathely, 47.

Many bystanders were waiting to see if the U.N. troops would allow the rebels to keep their weapons.

The Brazilian-led U.N. troops have been criticized for failing to disarm the former soldiers and the pro-Aristide gangs who have waged frequent gunbattles that have killed 200 people since September.

The rebels still control large swaths of the poor and unstable Caribbean nation of 8 million despite the presence of the 6,000-member U.N. peacekeeping force.

Aristide disbanded Haiti's army in 1994 when he was restored to office by U.S. Marines after his ouster in a military coup, and the rebels are trying to have the army reinstated.

The gated community where he lived lies in a stronghold of Aristide support and many of his former neighbors remain loyal to him.

"Since Aristide has left, we are starving," said one of the men living in the neighborhood.

[elguapo]

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General Augusto Heleno Ribiero of Brazil, head of the U.N. peacekeeping mission in Haiti speaks to reporters in Tabarre, Haiti December 17, 2004. Gen. Ribiero said 'Mission accomplished!' to mark the successful and peaceful end to the stand-off between peacekeepers and former Haitian soldiers at the former home of ex-President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, after UN soldiers entered the grounds. *******/Daniel Morel
******* - Dec 17 7:22 PM

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The head of the UN peacekeeping mission in Haiti, Brazilian General Augusto Heleno Ribiero, gives a thumbs up to mark the successful and peaceful end to the stand-off between peacekeepers and former Haitian soldiers at the former home of ex-President Jean-Bertrand Aristide after UN soldiers entered the grounds in Tabarre, Haiti, late December 17, 2004. *******/Daniel Morel


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People stand near U.N. Brazilian peacekeepers as they stand guard near the home of ousted Haitian President Jean Bertrand Aristide in the suburb of Tabarre in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Friday, Dec.17, 2004. (AP Photo/Ariana Cubillos)


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U.N. Brazilian peacekeepers hold their positions as a child runs past, outside the home of ousted Haitian President Jean Bertrand Aristide in the suburb of Tabarre in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Friday, Dec. 17, 2004.(AP Photo/Ariana Cubillos)


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U.N. Brazilian peacekeepers leave their positions near the home of ousted Haitian President Jean Bertrand Aristide in the suburb of Tabarre in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Friday, Dec. 17, 2004. (AP Photo/Ariana Cubillos)

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A U.N. Brazilian peacekeeper gestures after the group left their positions near the home of ousted Haitian President Jean Bertrand Aristide, in the suburb of Tabarre in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Friday, Dec. 17, 2004. (AP Photo/Ariana Cubillos)

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Ex-soldiers leave the area surrounding the home of ousted Haitian President Jean Bertrand Aristide in the suburb of Tabarre in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Friday, Dec.17, 2004. The ex-soldiers agreed to lay down their weapons and be taken to a police academy near Aristide's abandoned estate. (AP Photo/Ariana Cubillos)

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A Haitian, stands in front of UN peacekeepers (background) as he gives an interview to a Haitian radio station over a cell phone saying 'Long live the army! Tell these foreigners to go back home!' in Tabarre, Haiti, December 17, 2004. He was near the former home of ex-President Jean-Bertrand Aristide during a stand off between members of Haiti's now-disbanded Armed Forces who took over the home and U.N. peacekeepers. *******/Daniel Morel


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PORT-AU-PRINCE, HAITI: Daniel Joseph, a former Haitian army soldier, speaks to the media 17 December, 2004, in Port-au-Prince. Joseph demanded UN peacekeepers leave their posts near the home of ousted Haitian president Jean Bertrand Aristide and said he supported the former soldiers occupying the home. Haitian authorities are seeking a peaceful end to the occupation of the home by former soldiers who want to turn the residence into a new army headquarters. AFP PHOTO/Thony BELIZAIRE (Photo credit should read THONY BELIZAIRE/AFP/***** Images)


U.N. Forces Ex-Soldiers From Aristide Home

AMY BRACKEN

Associated Press


PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti - U.N. peacekeepers detonated an explosive device to force their way into the former residence of ousted President Jean-Bertrand Aristide and persuaded a group of ex-soldiers to leave unarmed, ending a two-day standoff.

Brazilian peacekeepers said the explosion was meant as a warning to the rebels who put up no resistance. No one was reported injured.

The U.N. troops "had to resort to force but we rejoice that this operation was conducted without any loss of blood," a statement from the U.N. mission in Haiti said late Friday.

Efforts at negotiation by Haiti's interim government, the U.N. mission and various political and civil groups failed to get the rebels to leave the compound, which had been plundered and abandoned in February when Aristide fled the country.

The ex-soldiers occupied the estate on Wednesday, saying they would make it a new army base and repeating demands that the interim government reinstate the army that Aristide had disbanded.

U.N. troops forced their way into the estate, exploding an unidentified device, then talked with the ex-soldiers who agreed to surrender their weapons and be taken to Haiti's main police academy in suburban Tabarre, said Col. Carlos Barcellos, commander of the Brazilian peacekeeping force.

Another U.N. spokesman, Damian Onses-Cardona, confirmed some 50 ex-soldiers had been taken to the academy.

The terms of the agreement were not immediately known.

Government officials had offered to provide jobs in the police force and pensions if the soldiers left unarmed.

Dozens of anti-Aristide ex-soldiers seized the compound on Wednesday, among them men who led a three-week rebellion that forced the former ruler to flee the country on Feb. 29.

The rebels also included members of the army that first ousted Aristide in 1991 as well as convicted criminals and others accused of killings, rapes and torture under the 1991-1994 military regime. Aristide disbanded the army after a U.S. intervention restored him to power in 1994.

U.N. armored vehicles had blocked off a mile of road leading to the compound, and more than 100 U.N. peacekeepers and Haitian police surrounded it.

Also Friday, U.N. troops advanced on the old headquarters of the ex-soldiers in an apartment building in suburban Petionville suburb. Blockades of burning tires and debris blocked intersections, which the soldiers claimed were fired up by civilian supporters. The peacekeepers left.

The former soldiers have grown increasingly frustrated with the interim government, which says only an elected government can reinstate the army. Elections are scheduled in 2005.

The ex-soldiers say they want to play a law-enforcement role in Haiti, whose ill-equipped police force of 4,000 is unable to provide security for the 8 million citizens.

They also ewre demanding 10 years' back pay and the restitution of their pension fund, which has mysteriously disappeared.

Interim Prime Minister Gerard Latortue was criticized early in his administration for lauding the ex-soldiers as "liberators."

Former soldiers remain in control of vast tracts of Haiti's countryside, despite the presence of peacekeepers.

Tensions have grown since Sept. 30, when Aristide supporters stepped up demands that the ousted leader return from exile in South Africa. More than 100 people have been killed since in clashes and summary executions.

The latest is the third confrontation between U.N. troops and former Haitian soldiers in less than three months. None resulted in violence.



UN Forces Rebels from Aristide Home in Haiti



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PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (*******) - U.N. peacekeepers stormed the home of ex-Haitian president Jean-Bertrand Aristide on Friday and evicted rebel former soldiers who seized the compound two days ago in defiance of authorities.
No shots were fired, the U.N. said, and the rebels agreed to leave the walled property in the Port-au-Prince suburb of Tabarre unarmed despite earlier vows never to give up their weapons.

"This is the start of a process to disarm the whole country," said Paul Gustave Magloire, a special adviser to interim Prime Minister Gerard Latortue. ADVERTISEMENT



It was unclear whether the Brazilian-led U.N. troops had arrested the ex-soldiers who took over the ousted president's home on Wednesday, saying they planned to use it to train a new army. Around 50 soldiers found inside were bused to the capital's police academy where they would be housed temporarily, said Justice Minister Bernard Gousse.

The two-day standoff between the rebels, who helped lead the revolt that drove Aristide into exile in February, and the U.N. peacekeeping force threatened to tip the unstable Caribbean country further into anarchy.

Former members of the army that Aristide disbanded a decade ago because of its proclivity for coups, the ex-soldiers were once hailed as "freedom fighters" by Latortue.

But relations soured as they continued to demand the re-establishment of the army and 10 years' back pay.

Criticized by many for not doing enough to halt escalating violence, the U.N. peacekeepers surrounded the compound shortly after the former soldiers occupied it but failed to persuade them to leave voluntarily, without their weapons.

Spokesman Mike Joseph said the government was "proud" the ex-military had been disarmed, adding the authorities would follow through with a plan to pay them an "indemnity" before year's end, rather than the 10 years' backpay they demand.

SECOND COMP0UND SURROUNDED

On Friday, U.N. troops also surrounded a second compound where rebel former soldiers had been holed up for two months, and were greeted with a shower of rocks and voodoo curses.

Dozens of gunmen inside the former army base in the capital's Petionville suburb blocked the entrance with wrecked cars and burning tires, and set out earthenware jugs to conduct voodoo rites aimed at hexing the U.N. troops.

"They have heavy weapons but we have an even more deadly weapon -- voodoo -- and we'll use it," said former soldier Maxime Jovin, 45, who described himself as a voodoo priest.

"Against voodoo, we have God," said a Brazilian soldier, displaying a crucifix.

In several rebel-controlled provincial towns, former soldiers forced out local police and seized their weapons in a show of solidarity with their comrades in the capital.

Unconfirmed radio reports said four were killed when U.N. troops intervened in the southern towns of Petit Goave and Miragoane.

Rebel soldiers still control large chunks of the poor Caribbean nation of 8 million 10 months after Aristide left. The former priest and champion of Haiti's poor, who faced accusations of corruption and despotism in recent years, is living in exile in South Africa.

Around 200 people have been killed since early September in gang wars and clashes between Aristide foes and supporters of his Lavalas Family party.

"I see civil war coming. It is closer than ever," said Marcelus Pierre, a passerby who hurried past the base in Petionville. "Pro-Aristide gangs and anti-Lavalas gangs are fighting and now they (the U.N. troops) want to disarm former military. They also will fight."

[Fulix]

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Modular armor vests? Nice...

Any info on that?

Cheers

[Aerosoul]

What's this? The U.N. getting off its ass? Wow! Not that they help a situation. PMC's went through numerous countries in Africa with a couple hundred men, namely Executive Outcomes, and literally OWNED the bad guys. I think the UN should be replaced with PMC's.

[Uncle Sam]

Haiti sucks!

[§nake]

Haiti sucks!
Wouldn't know about that, good pix anyway

[elguapo]

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Modular armor vests? Nice...

Any info on that?

Cheers


yeah interesting... I knew the army used Taurus vests (seen in this pic) and marines the Israeli's Rabintex.

[username]

What's this? The U.N. getting off its ass? Wow! Not that they help a situation. PMC's went through numerous countries in Africa with a couple hundred men, namely Executive Outcomes, and literally OWNED the bad guys. I think the UN should be replaced with PMC's.


The U.N only fails or succeeds when it's member nations allow it to. What do you think PMC's would do about the AIDS crisis in africa? What do you think PMC's would do about election monitoring?

[Fulix]

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Modular armor vests? Nice...

Any info on that?

Cheers


yeah interesting... I knew the army used Taurus vests (seen in this pic) and marines the Israeli's Rabintex.

Maybe some signs of the army´s modernization... after all, we are runing for a UN Security Concil chair! :lol:

Cheers

[elguapo]

good article

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/12/20/Worldandnation/Next_Haiti_conflict__.shtml

[littlefrench]

From time to time France does agree with USA :lol:


Example : to kick Aristide we were together :lol:

[Howie Kaluha]

What's this? The U.N. getting off its ass? Wow! Not that they help a situation. PMC's went through numerous countries in Africa with a couple hundred men, namely Executive Outcomes, and literally OWNED the bad guys. I think the UN should be replaced with PMC's.

I piss on the U.N. doorstep

[goldman]

What's this? The U.N. getting off its ass? Wow! Not that they help a situation. PMC's went through numerous countries in Africa with a couple hundred men, namely Executive Outcomes, and literally OWNED the bad guys. I think the UN should be replaced with PMC's.

I piss on the U.N. doorstep
rofl

[Aerosoul]

When I said replace the UN with PMC's I was referring to combat situations. UN sent over 20,000 troops to an African nation (I forget which--Rwanda maybe) in the mid 90's at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars. They failed.

Executive Outcomes sent in about two hundred, at a cost of about 10-20 million and ran through the whole conutry, freeing everyone. They took a very minimal amount of casualties and just completely whooped up on the rebels, not that it's hard to do there. Cuz the "rebels" or "solders" in many African nations are simply men with guns, no training or anything.

You tell me that ain't how it ought to be. That the PMC's don't do a better job than the UN in combat.

[Catch22]

Read "Corporate Warriors" study by P.W. Singer (Cornell Univ.) this idea has been already put into life. And in some prognosis PMC's are going to replace UN forces.

Howie - don't piss on the dorstep that easily, because this time you just pissed on yours own. Now it smells of urine a bit...rofl

[Chris1]

When I said replace the UN with PMC's I was referring to combat situations. UN sent over 20,000 troops to an African nation (I forget which--Rwanda maybe) in the mid 90's at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars. They failed.

Executive Outcomes sent in about two hundred, at a cost of about 10-20 million and ran through the whole conutry, freeing everyone. They took a very minimal amount of casualties and just completely whooped up on the rebels, not that it's hard to do there. Cuz the "rebels" or "solders" in many African nations are simply men with guns, no training or anything.

You tell me that ain't how it ought to be. That the PMC's don't do a better job than the UN in combat.
Obviously well researched eh?

[DeutschBrasilianisch]

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Modular armor vests? Nice...

Any info on that?

Cheers


yeah interesting... I knew the army used Taurus vests (seen in this pic) and marines the Israeli's Rabintex.

Desde quando o exército e os fuzileiros usam esse novo colete?? Sabe qual é o nível de proteção??? Pelo visto parece ser meio desconfortavel..

[sp2c]

When I said replace the UN with PMC's I was referring to combat situations. UN sent over 20,000 troops to an African nation (I forget which--Rwanda maybe) in the mid 90's at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars. They failed.

Executive Outcomes sent in about two hundred, at a cost of about 10-20 million and ran through the whole conutry, freeing everyone. They took a very minimal amount of casualties and just completely whooped up on the rebels, not that it's hard to do there. Cuz the "rebels" or "solders" in many African nations are simply men with guns, no training or anything.

You tell me that ain't how it ought to be. That the PMC's don't do a better job than the UN in combat.
Obviously well researched eh?

clearly, I know exactly what he means.

isn't it obvious?

one time the UN got owned in some country and the pmc's totally owned in some other country and freed the entire population wich was apparently in jail or something.

which means that the pmc's must be better then the UN even IF the UN het Delta's

[sp2c]

anyways, outstanding job woot woot

is their anymore info about that brazilian force commander?
he sounds/seems like a hardass :)

[elguapo]

He is originally from cavalry (5th armored). Before Haiti he was head of 'Social Communication' in the army (wich is also responsible for psy ops) and apparently got para wings.





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[-=TFN=-Karab]

Haiti sucks!
What my cousin says too :) He also said that Iraq sucks. I guess having been to both as a Marine, he knows what he's talking about p-)

[panzernacker]

O bicho esta pegando no Haiti, mas aqui esta foda tb.
It's hard in Haiti, but here is too dangerous.
I saw on last night many shots brightining in the sky.