SEAL badge?

[AROUETLJ]

http://www.gign.org/images/temoignages/thierry/g-Chirac-Seals.jpg


Is that a SEAL badge above the para wings? Does that mean he completed SEAL training?

[spyguy]

I'm not an expert in such things, but I'd say yes. They do allow soldiers from other militaries participate. The only thing is I thought the guys don't get 'tridents' until they complete BUD/s , STT/SQT and then something like one rotation with an actual team. So I doubt they allow members of foreign militaries to do all that for a 'trident.' Which brings us back to the original question. What exactly is going on with this picture?

SG

[fantassin]

According to the pocket fob insignia, this man belongs (or belonged, the pic looks quite old) to the GSIGN; considering the expertise of the units of the GSIGN (GIGN, GSPR, EPIGN), he could very well have trained with ST6 and done their training.

[AROUETLJ]

In fact the photo's from www.gign.org. That's a certain Thierry P., who was part of the GIGN team which stormed the hijacked plane at Marignane in 1994.

[fantassin]

I thought he looked gaunt and tired; I would not be surprized if he was one of the gendarmes who were WIA in the operation

I think it's this man....he deserved his medal, no doubt.

Squeezing a burst from his MP-5 after the other terrorist leaping into the cockpit, Sub-officer Thierry pursued him through the open door, resting his sub-machinegun against his shoulder to carefully train its sight and avoid hitting hostages. But he instantly received seven AK rounds. Three 7.62 bullets perforated his exposed right arm, shooting off three fingers curled around the MP-5's handgrip, which was also shot to pieces. Other bullets hit his shoulder and chest, shredding the black vinyl fabric and denting the steel ceramic plates of his bulletproof vest. Another round ricocheted off the Gendarme's Kevlar helmet as he reeled backwards, collapsing on to the carpeted hallway. He could only think of protecting himself from the continuing barrage of bullets and heard someone shout "Grenade!" as an explosion ripped through the cabin, wounding the other Gendarmes rushing in behind him. Thierry felt the pain of shrapnel peppering his right leg before losing consciousness

[username]

Chirac gave it to him. He got it from his last visit to the USA, while there he visited a few navy bases including the navy SEAL HQ. Chirac is quite the pick pocket you know.

[Airm]

In fact the photo's from www.gign.org. That's a certain Thierry P., who was part of the GIGN team which stormed the hijacked plane at Marignane in 1994.

Yup, and the SEAL badge figures. According to the GIGN site, they have a standing cooperation with the SEALs, FBI and SWATs. BTW, according to AuthentiSEAL.org, the Trident is awarded after BUDs and follow-on advanced training, so he wouldn´t have to have been operational with a SEAL unit to wear it.

[fantassin]

http://www.gign.org/images/temoignages/thierry/g-hommage-a-thierry.jpg

Another picture from the same man...

[Baboonass]

Uhhh, it's a Trident, but in no way could he have actually earned it.

We have had some foriegn military types go through BUD/S with us, but never do I recall a French student, (I'll check in to it).

Even if he had, There is still SQT qualification, (about 6 more months) before you may earn your Trident.

Could be one of those "friendship" gimmies. I have a few different Naval Special Warfare badges that I recieved from different militaries, but I'm never entitaled to wear them, nor would I feel right doing it.

I'll get back on this.

[abncougar]

SQT..???

[Abolith]

Uhhh, it's a Trident, but in no way could he have actually earned it.

We have had some foriegn military types go through BUD/S with us, but never do I recall a French student, (I'll check in to it).

Even if he had, There is still SQT qualification, (about 6 more months) before you may earn your Trident.

Could be one of those "friendship" gimmies. I have a few different Naval Special Warfare badges that I recieved from different militaries, but I'm never entitaled to wear them, nor would I feel right doing it.

I'll get back on this.


Having earned the right to do so aside, if you recieved them would you not be able to wear them if you so choose?

[RGRBOX]

Uhhh, it's a Trident, but in no way could he have actually earned it.

We have had some foriegn military types go through BUD/S with us, but never do I recall a French student, (I'll check in to it).

Even if he had, There is still SQT qualification, (about 6 more months) before you may earn your Trident.

Could be one of those "friendship" gimmies. I have a few different Naval Special Warfare badges that I recieved from different militaries, but I'm never entitaled to wear them, nor would I feel right doing it.

I'll get back on this.

This guys is well know in the GIGN/ Gendarmerie circles in the French military... I have another College who works with (I can't say) who was telling me about this very guy last week. I don't know myself for sure if he completed the course, but my college tells me he did????

I'm sure Matchanu will find out...

[Erik2a4]

Uhhh, it's a Trident, but in no way could he have actually earned it.

We have had some foriegn military types go through BUD/S with us, but never do I recall a French student, (I'll check in to it).

Even if he had, There is still SQT qualification, (about 6 more months) before you may earn your Trident.

Could be one of those "friendship" gimmies. I have a few different Naval Special Warfare badges that I recieved from different militaries, but I'm never entitaled to wear them, nor would I feel right doing it.

I'll get back on this.

Matchanu, IIRC, this photo has been posted on Socnet before. I am not a SEAL nor SOF, but I would imagine this guy is pretty well known in SOF circles especially because of Marignane...I would also imagine that it would have been awarded it prior to SQT.

Again, I am not a SEAL, and I'm just speculating without any definitive information, so I'll leave the judgement up to your community.

But it seem highly unlikely that a highly-regarded member of one of the world's premier CT units would just throw on a random badge he hasn't earned...

[DPGLAW]

A bit unlrelated, but I thought I would ask anyways.... Please correct me if I am wrong on this but I thought that the Trident is traditionally, and is supposed to be, worn on the other side of the dress jacket? Now, I know he is not a SEAL, but I am asking this question general curiosity, not specific to this soldier...Thanks

Regards,
Daniel

[abncougar]

A bit unlrelated, but I thought I would ask anyways.... Please correct me if I am wrong on this but I thought that the Trident is traditionally, and is supposed to be, worn on the other side of the dress jacket? Now, I know he is not a SEAL, but I am asking this question general curiosity, not specific to this soldier...Thanks

Regards,
Daniel

well, there are 2 pics of him with the trident in 2 different places, so i have no ****ing clue.

[RGRBOX]

Uhhh, it's a Trident, but in no way could he have actually earned it.

We have had some foriegn military types go through BUD/S with us, but never do I recall a French student, (I'll check in to it).

Even if he had, There is still SQT qualification, (about 6 more months) before you may earn your Trident.

Could be one of those "friendship" gimmies. I have a few different Naval Special Warfare badges that I recieved from different militaries, but I'm never entitaled to wear them, nor would I feel right doing it.

I'll get back on this.

Matchanu, IIRC, this photo has been posted on Socnet before. I am not a SEAL nor SOF, but I would imagine this guy is pretty well known in SOF circles especially because of Marignane...I would also imagine that it would have been awarded it prior to SQT.

Again, I am not a SEAL, and I'm just speculating without any definitive information, so I'll leave the judgement up to your community.

But it seem highly unlikely that a highly-regarded member of one of the world's premier CT units would just throw on a random badge he hasn't earned...

I think this guy pics were posted in RAIDs mag also... and they make more mistakes then you can through a stick at....

[HooyahCQB]

SQT..???

SEAL Qualification Training. It's 6 more months of intense, but more in-depth training. It covers everything from Underwater Demolition to Close Quarters Combat. Now I believe they've consolidated SQT on both coasts into one school at Coronado. SQT students get their Trident after completing SQT now, as opposed to it being given after they've already been assigned to a Team. Of course, Matchanu can verify this, but I think i'm pretty close ;)

[AROUETLJ]

I think this guy pics were posted in RAIDs mag also... and they make more mistakes then you can through a stick at....

Maybe, but that's neither here or there. This chap was definitely at Marignane and I don't think he'd be wearing a souvenir SEAL trident alongside his medals just for the hell of it.

[enfe]

This pic was posted some months ago, but I don't recall what was finally concluded about it :oops:

[Andreas]

Im standing by too hear the conlusion.
This was very interesting.
Im leaning towards what someone already said:
That because this guy is an experianced operator i cant imagine he would wear a trident just for the hell of it. By that i mean, he probably knows

what SF guys go through to get their different badges all over the world, and this supports my theory on him not wearing it for the hell of it and maybe disrespecting others in the same worldwide SF-comunity as him..

Just my two cents..

Cheers Andreas

[Zapp Brannigan]

SQT students get their Trident after completing SQT now, as opposed to it being given after they've already been assigned to a Team. Of course, Matchanu can verify this, but I think i'm pretty close ;)Match can confirm, but it's not automatic. The Naval Special Warfare insignia is presented upon Naval Special Warfare qualification. I'm not sure about for enlisted, but for officers, qualifications were:

1. Complete BUD/S and be assigned to an active duty Naval Special Warfare command for a minimum of six months.
2. Attain designation as a Naval Parachutist.
3. Complete Personnel Qualification Standards for SEAL combat swimmers.
4. Demonstrate effective leadership and management skills.
5. Undergo an oral examination on general professional knowledge of Naval Special Warfare.

This summary is based on OPNAVINST 1412.7; if that's been superceded, there may be other criteria.

Regarding Thierry P., and any other foreign officer, the standards for awarding qualification insignia are often modified for non-U.S. recipients. The same often happens for U.S. recipients of foreign qualifications (many foreign parachute badges are awarded after participating in far fewer jumps than would normally be required at the foreign airborne school).

That said, though Match can't recall, it is possible that Thierry P. was an exchange officer and not just a BUD/S graduate, so he might have fulfilled most of the requirements.

Another example of a French officer with US insignia is Rear Admiral Xavier Païtard, who as an exchange pilot serving on the USS Independence from 1982-84 flew combat missions in Grenada and Lebanon. In this photo, he wears US Naval Aviator wings and the US Navy Expeditionary Medal and Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal:

http://www.act.nato.int/multimedia/bios/bio%20pics/paitard_m.jpg (http://www.act.nato.int/multimedia/bios/bio%20pics/paitard_hr.jpg)
(Click for larger image)

[HooyahCQB]

SQT students get their Trident after completing SQT now, as opposed to it being given after they've already been assigned to a Team. Of course, Matchanu can verify this, but I think i'm pretty close ;)Match can confirm, but it's not automatic. The Naval Special Warfare insignia is presented upon Naval Special Warfare qualification. I'm not sure about for enlisted, but for officers, qualifications were:

1. Complete BUD/S and be assigned to an active duty Naval Special Warfare command for a minimum of six months.
2. Attain designation as a Naval Parachutist.
3. Complete Personnel Qualification Standards for SEAL combat swimmers.
4. Demonstrate effective leadership and management skills.
5. Undergo an oral examination on general professional knowledge of Naval Special Warfare.

This summary is based on OPNAVINST 1412.7; if that's been superceded, there may be other criteria.




Ah, well done. I forgot about the addtional schooling that officers must go through. Good call.

[RGRBOX]

I think this guy pics were posted in RAIDs mag also... and they make more mistakes then you can through a stick at....

Maybe, but that's neither here or there. This chap was definitely at Marignane and I don't think he'd be wearing a souvenir SEAL trident alongside his medals just for the hell of it.

Although, I'm waiting for some board member confirmation, I agree with you about this guy not wearing something he hasn't earned... I was just showing my distrust in everything RAIDs mag...

[fantassin]

I recently saw a French army Major who got the Bronze Star and two other US medals after serving with the US forces...such "cross decorations" are not that uncommon.

BTW, there was a SEAL exchange officer with the French Navy Commando Hubert combat swimmer until very recently (there is a picture of him in this book about Hubert).

http://www.photo-denfert.com/images/737-1.jpg

[AROUETLJ]

We seem to have solved the mystery. See what we can do when we stop bickering and work as a team? Hooyah for mp.net.

[mikec62001]

Other SF units from around the world often have exchange programs with other SF units from other countries....and it isn't just limited to army/army
and navysf/navysf....It is often that Delta/British Sass have gone through BUD/S and are awarded the Trident and a certificate that states they have successfully passed selection.

Some actually fail....operators from other SF groups fail BUD/S and other SF selection courses....which proves that they aren't all as tough as each other.....some are tougher than others...as I'm sure everyone knows!

I've seen pics of a Indonesian Kopassus with a SEAL Trident on his uniform...so it shows that this regularly occurs....within the SF community.

[Baboonass]

Having earned the right to do so aside, if you recieved them would you not be able to wear them if you so choose?

No.

U.S. Navy military uniform standards are pretty cut and dry on this. Only approved U.S. military designations are alowed.

[Baboonass]

SQT..???

SEAL Qualification Training. It's 6 more months of intense, but more in-depth training. It covers everything from Underwater Demolition to Close Quarters Combat. Now I believe they've consolidated SQT on both coasts into one school at Coronado. SQT students get their Trident after completing SQT now, as opposed to it being given after they've already been assigned to a Team. Of course, Matchanu can verify this, but I think i'm pretty close ;)

Yes, to a "T".

It's been under a few different names throughout the years, and run differently, but this set up works very well. There is still quite an attrition rate from SQT as well. Training is never over.

[Baboonass]

SQT students get their Trident after completing SQT now, as opposed to it being given after they've already been assigned to a Team. Of course, Matchanu can verify this, but I think i'm pretty close ;)Match can confirm, but it's not automatic. The Naval Special Warfare insignia is presented upon Naval Special Warfare qualification. I'm not sure about for enlisted, but for officers, qualifications were:

1. Complete BUD/S and be assigned to an active duty Naval Special Warfare command for a minimum of six months.
2. Attain designation as a Naval Parachutist.
3. Complete Personnel Qualification Standards for SEAL combat swimmers.
4. Demonstrate effective leadership and management skills.
5. Undergo an oral examination on general professional knowledge of Naval Special Warfare.

This summary is based on OPNAVINST 1412.7; if that's been superceded, there may be other criteria.

Regarding Thierry P., and any other foreign officer, the standards for awarding qualification insignia are often modified for non-U.S. recipients. The same often happens for U.S. recipients of foreign qualifications (many foreign parachute badges are awarded after participating in far fewer jumps than would normally be required at the foreign airborne school).

That said, though Match can't recall, it is possible that Thierry P. was an exchange officer and not just a BUD/S graduate, so he might have fulfilled most of the requirements.




O.k., here's were it gets a bit complicated. From time to time foriegn troops will go through BUD/S or cross train with U.S. Navy SEAL Teams. As far as BUD/S goes, troops are given an "honerary" Trident. As far as how and when they can wear it is up to the country of origen.

Did he go through BUD/S?, I can't say for certain, the records do not cover foriegn troops.

Some of the foriegners that go through BUD/S seriously kick ass, others....well, kinda get by through proxy. How did this guy do? no clue, but judging by his past experiences and high regard, probably did very well.

All and all I think you covered it in this post. I may hear more in the next few weeks, I'll let you know.

[Baboonass]

I recently saw a French army Major who got the Bronze Star and two other US medals after serving with the US forces...such "cross decorations" are not that uncommon.

BTW, there was a SEAL exchange officer with the French Navy Commando Hubert combat swimmer until very recently (there is a picture of him in this book about Hubert).

http://www.photo-denfert.com/images/737-1.jpg

Exchange programs are fairly common.

There was a SEAL that was part of this program with the SBS in A-Stan, recieved the Navy Cross. Brits wanted to put him in for the VC, but it wasn't alowed.

From what I gather from the East coast guys, the French Special Operations guys are very good at what they do, they have a great working realtionship.

[Baboonass]

Other SF units from around the world often have exchange programs with other SF units from other countries....and it isn't just limited to army/army
and navysf/navysf....It is often that Delta/British Sass have gone through BUD/S and are awarded the Trident and a certificate that states they have successfully passed selection.


Nope. If it's U.S. military, they have to be in the navy to attend BUD/S. There have been SF guys that have gone through the diving portion of BUD/S, but it was the non-harrassment version, strictly a learning environment. The SF guys had already been through their vetting process, no need to go through it again.

As far as Brit SAS? I've never heard of it, but it doesn't mean it hasn't happend.



Some actually fail....operators from other SF groups fail BUD/S and other SF selection courses....which proves that they aren't all as tough as each other.....some are tougher than others...as I'm sure everyone knows!

.

Unlikely. Any foriegn troop going through BUD/S is pretty much going to pass. There are political ramifications to failing foriegn students. This may seem like a bold statment, but as I said before, most guys really kick ass, only some of them are ****bags.

[mikec62001]

Trust me!....I wouldn't have said that if I didn't think it was true!

[Baboonass]

Trust me!....I wouldn't have said that if I didn't think it was true!


What was true?

Just want to clarify.

[LazerLordz]

The SEAL trident is worn on the right hand side of the uniform, in the case of the Singapoe Armed Forces,as is the US Pathfinder badge.

From what I've heard, SAF naval divers who go for the BUDS course are attached with the team for 6 mths.Can anyone confirm this.

[Baboonass]

The SEAL trident is worn on the right hand side of the uniform, in the case of the Singapoe Armed Forces,as is the US Pathfinder badge.

From what I've heard, SAF naval divers who go for the BUDS course are attached with the team for 6 mths.Can anyone confirm this.

No.

After BUD/S foriegners return to their host countries. SQT sensitive in nature, most stuff is classified.

Only operations will foriegn troops be "attached".

As far as SAF goes, those guys are really good. I've trained in their compound. The training facility is kick ass, high dollar. The guys going through BUD/S were hard chagers. I liked working with them.

[mikec62001]

Why do you just assume that they're going to pass....its an assumption and not based on anything!

I wouldn't have made any comments on the subject if I was 100% sure I was correct....

BUD/S is one of the tougest selection courses in the world....and just assuming that just because you're SF in your country that if you go to another country and undertake their selection process that you'll pass...

And the comment regarding ramifications on failing foreign SF is bollocks....

Just because they've undertaken and past their own selection course doesn't mean just because they've done that they are immune from physical conditioning.....Its a test....yeah there are alot of Units such as Delta and the Sass that have gone through BUD/S and completed it without any difficulty...However...They have commented on the swimming side being tough....obviously coming from an Army unit such as Delta/Sass that area isn't going to be as strong as if they were coming from another Naval SF unit....

But there are some cases that there have been failures....injury is obviously a biig problem...you might be physically fit but doesn't stop you from getting an injury and being binned from selection.

[Baboonass]

Why do you just assume that they're going to pass....its an assumption and not based on anything!

It's based on personal experience. I've spent 13 years in the Teams, I've had a lot of my buddies become BUD/S instructors. It's just the way it is.


I wouldn't have made any comments on the subject if I was 100% sure I was correct....

Neither would I. If I don't know, I'll say so.


BUD/S is one of the tougest selection courses in the world....and just assuming that just because you're SF in your country that if you go to another country and undertake their selection process that you'll pass...

Pretty much the way it is. I've seen more than a few foriegn troops not pass the runs, swim times, "O" course, etc. and still pass. I've seen some want to quit Hell Week over and over, but they get a pass.


And the comment regarding ramifications on failing foreign SF is bollocks....

It's politaical, what can I tell you? Besides, in some countries failing this course and returing home might have very serious ramifications to themselves. No foriegn troop has ever failed BUD/S that I've ever seen, although some of them should have never passed, much less gotten into the door. It's a minority, but it exsists.



Just because they've undertaken and past their own selection course doesn't mean just because they've done that they are immune from physical conditioning.....Its a test....yeah there are alot of Units such as Delta and the Sass that have gone through BUD/S and completed it without any difficulty...However...They have commented on the swimming side being tough....obviously coming from an Army unit such as Delta/Sass that area isn't going to be as strong as if they were coming from another Naval SF unit....

As I stated before, U.S. military personal may not attend BUD/S as a student unless they are in the Navy. It's cut and dry here. Some portions of dive phase are attended by different branches as a course of instructions, but do not take part in the "kick in the nuts" activities that the BUD/S students go though.

The forign troops that attend BUD/S have previously gone through their host countries selction.


But there are some cases that there have been failures....injury is obviously a biig problem...you might be physically fit but doesn't stop you from getting an injury and being binned from selection.


Certainly some folks have gotten injured and could not complete training. But usually the command will hold these guys untill they heal up so they may continue training.


Cross training isn't all that uncommon. There have been SEALs that have attended SAS and SBS selction, (Brit, NZ, and AUS), as well as some other selection courses.

[Thor]

Cross training isn't all that uncommon. There have been SEALs that have attended SAS and SBS selction, (Brit, NZ, and AUS), as well as some other selection courses.
Ever encountered any swede in training?

[Baboonass]

Cross training isn't all that uncommon. There have been SEALs that have attended SAS and SBS selction, (Brit, NZ, and AUS), as well as some other selection courses.
Ever encountered any swede in training?

No. I was on the West coast, mostly pacific rim stuff. Although we did send some guys to work with the Norwegians for winter warfare stuff.

[Thor]

Ok, thanks.

[harlekin]

Although we did send some guys to work with the Norwegians for winter warfare stuff.How was their experience with the norwegians?

[enfe]

TO MATCHANU:

In 1998 SEAL Team 4 trained Venezuelan Naval SF in riverine counter-drug operations for about a month or so.
Could you tell me (if you know, of course) what was their overall impression before and after the training ?
thanks in advance,
enfe

[LazerLordz]

The SEAL trident is worn on the right hand side of the uniform, in the case of the Singapoe Armed Forces,as is the US Pathfinder badge.

From what I've heard, SAF naval divers who go for the BUDS course are attached with the team for 6 mths.Can anyone confirm this.

No.

After BUD/S foriegners return to their host countries. SQT sensitive in nature, most stuff is classified.

Only operations will foriegn troops be "attached".

As far as SAF goes, those guys are really good. I've trained in their compound. The training facility is kick ass, high dollar. The guys going through BUD/S were hard chagers. I liked working with them.

So am I right to say that they might be attached for ops but not on a team for months at a time?

[Baboonass]

Although we did send some guys to work with the Norwegians for winter warfare stuff.How was their experience with the norwegians?

Excellent.

Not just in operations, but as a people.

[Baboonass]

TO MATCHANU:

In 1998 SEAL Team 4 trained Venezuelan Naval SF in riverine counter-drug operations for about a month or so.
Could you tell me (if you know, of course) what was their overall impression before and after the training ?
thanks in advance,
enfe

I personally do not know, but I'll ask some of the guys at ST-4 and see if they know anything.

[Baboonass]

The SEAL trident is worn on the right hand side of the uniform, in the case of the Singapoe Armed Forces,as is the US Pathfinder badge.

From what I've heard, SAF naval divers who go for the BUDS course are attached with the team for 6 mths.Can anyone confirm this.

No.

After BUD/S foriegners return to their host countries. SQT sensitive in nature, most stuff is classified.

Only operations will foriegn troops be "attached".

As far as SAF goes, those guys are really good. I've trained in their compound. The training facility is kick ass, high dollar. The guys going through BUD/S were hard chagers. I liked working with them.

So am I right to say that they might be attached for ops but not on a team for months at a time?

Months? probably not.

There will be exercises every now and then that will incorperate using SAF, but it's not a full time deal. More like a few days or a couple of weeks. Navy depolyments are 6-7 months long. There are a lot to accomplish in that short amount of time in various countries.

[RGRBOX]

The US Army are allowed to wear Foreign Awards.... BUT... only if you have the US Equilivent to that award.... example.. If you have been awarded the Parachute badge from another country, you aren't authorized to wear it on the US Army Class A Uniform if you haven't been Awarded the US Airborne Wings... I'm sure that this goes for other awards like the German BW MArkmanship Badge... If you shot Expert for the BW Badge, and you don't have the Expert Badge for the US Army, then you can't wear it... I'm sure that there's someone out there with theAR 670-3-1 who can correct me...

[SamHamam]

British Sass have gone through BUD/S

Bollocks, even allowing for your childish terminology.

[mikec62001]

Do you think I really care.....you have to speak pretty simple in here cos alot of people will say errr...what's that mean...

You have to make it pretty obvious....

And if that's all you have to say...makes you pretty pathetic and childish as well...

[Baboonass]

The US Army are allowed to wear Foreign Awards.... BUT... only if you have the US Equilivent to that award.... example.. If you have been awarded the Parachute badge from another country, you aren't authorized to wear it on the US Army Class A Uniform if you haven't been Awarded the US Airborne Wings... I'm sure that this goes for other awards like the German BW MArkmanship Badge... If you shot Expert for the BW Badge, and you don't have the Expert Badge for the US Army, then you can't wear it... I'm sure that there's someone out there with theAR 670-3-1 who can correct me...

It's an Army thing. Navy won't alow it.

Although the Marines have the French cross thing on top of their hats, something to do with WW1 I believe.

[Zapp Brannigan]

The US Army are allowed to wear Foreign Awards.... BUT... only if you have the US Equilivent to that award.... example.. If you have been awarded the Parachute badge from another country, you aren't authorized to wear it on the US Army Class A Uniform if you haven't been Awarded the US Airborne Wings... I'm sure that this goes for other awards like the German BW MArkmanship Badge... If you shot Expert for the BW Badge, and you don't have the Expert Badge for the US Army, then you can't wear it... I'm sure that there's someone out there with theAR 670-3-1 who can correct me...This does not just apply to foreign badges, but also badges from other services. But here, the regulations get complicated. Obviously, there are direct analogs to jump wings. But while there is no Army equivalent of the trident, a former NEC 532X would be able to wear it on his Army uniform (though the only one I can recall seeing was that fat Reserve poser in Cali).

[fantassin]

The US Army are allowed to wear Foreign Awards.... BUT... only if you have the US Equilivent to that award.... example.. If you have been awarded the Parachute badge from another country, you aren't authorized to wear it on the US Army Class A Uniform if you haven't been Awarded the US Airborne Wings... I'm sure that this goes for other awards like the German BW MArkmanship Badge... If you shot Expert for the BW Badge, and you don't have the Expert Badge for the US Army, then you can't wear it... I'm sure that there's someone out there with theAR 670-3-1 who can correct me...

It's an Army thing. Navy won't alow it.

Although the Marines have the French cross thing on top of their hats, something to do with WW1 I believe.

The "French cross thing" ? we call that a "Hungarian knot".....

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/mhsilverthorn-usmcphoto.jpg

Unless you are talking about the French fourragère, but that's not worn on the hat !

[foxtrot023]

Although we did send some guys to work with the Norwegians for winter warfare stuff.How was their experience with the norwegians?

Excellent.

Not just in operations, but as a people.

Hi Matchanu,

Have any spaniards gone to cross train with the seals? what is the US SF community opinion of our commandoes?

regards,

[California Joe]

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Just kidding. Jeez. Keep your panties on.

[Zapp Brannigan]

Have any spaniards gone to cross train with the seals? what is the US SF community opinion of our commandoes?

regards,

To be clear, in the USA the SF community is Special Forces, a part of the US Army. When referring to SEALs, AFSOC, Rangers, SF, 160th SOAR together, the term is special operations forces, or SOF.

The SOF community likes Spaniards. It is undecided on California Joe.

[Zapp Brannigan]

By the way, cross-training is fairly extensive, but more so in the Army SOF community than in the Navy. Every year, a large number of foreign soldiers go through Ranger School and the Special Forces Qualification Course.

For example, over the past 2-3 years, soldiers from the following countries /units have attended the "Q" Course through the IMET program: Bahrain, Benin, Bolivia, Botswana, Brazil, Colombia, Guyana, Israel, Jordan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Malawi, Malaysia, Mexico, Moldova, Nepal, Oman, Philippines, Romania, Slovakia, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Suriname, Uzbekistan, Venezuela and Yemen.

Of course, these are dwarfed by all the students that go to language school, military staff colleges and regular courses. Also, this list is of those that attend through IMET funding; some more advanced countries pay their own way.

[memphiz]

With so many Canadians crossing the border to fight for our allies down south, do you get any going through BUD/s

[HooyahCQB]

The US Army are allowed to wear Foreign Awards.... BUT... only if you have the US Equilivent to that award.... example.. If you have been awarded the Parachute badge from another country, you aren't authorized to wear it on the US Army Class A Uniform if you haven't been Awarded the US Airborne Wings... I'm sure that this goes for other awards like the German BW MArkmanship Badge... If you shot Expert for the BW Badge, and you don't have the Expert Badge for the US Army, then you can't wear it... I'm sure that there's someone out there with theAR 670-3-1 who can correct me...

It's an Army thing. Navy won't alow it.

Although the Marines have the French cross thing on top of their hats, something to do with WW1 I believe.

I think it's because...back in the day, when Marines jumped accross from their ships to the enemy ships, sailors and Marine shooters couldn't distinguish between the Marines and the enemy, so the Marines sewed crosses into the tops of their hats so they wouldn't get shot by their own side. I think it was on the History Channel or something.

[FallenAngel]

The US Army are allowed to wear Foreign Awards.... BUT... only if you have the US Equilivent to that award.... example.. If you have been awarded the Parachute badge from another country, you aren't authorized to wear it on the US Army Class A Uniform if you haven't been Awarded the US Airborne Wings... I'm sure that this goes for other awards like the German BW MArkmanship Badge... If you shot Expert for the BW Badge, and you don't have the Expert Badge for the US Army, then you can't wear it... I'm sure that there's someone out there with theAR 670-3-1 who can correct me...

It's an Army thing. Navy won't alow it.

Although the Marines have the French cross thing on top of their hats, something to do with WW1 I believe.

The French fourragere is authorized only for the 5th and 6th Marine regiments to wear for their actions in Belleau Wood.

[RGRBOX]

The US Army are allowed to wear Foreign Awards.... BUT... only if you have the US Equilivent to that award.... example.. If you have been awarded the Parachute badge from another country, you aren't authorized to wear it on the US Army Class A Uniform if you haven't been Awarded the US Airborne Wings... I'm sure that this goes for other awards like the German BW MArkmanship Badge... If you shot Expert for the BW Badge, and you don't have the Expert Badge for the US Army, then you can't wear it... I'm sure that there's someone out there with theAR 670-3-1 who can correct me...This does not just apply to foreign badges, but also badges from other services. But here, the regulations get complicated. Obviously, there are direct analogs to jump wings. But while there is no Army equivalent of the trident, a former NEC 532X would be able to wear it on his Army uniform (though the only one I can recall seeing was that fat Reserve poser in Cali).

I saw a "Green Beret* US Army SF member at Ft-Bragg, I believe he was an Officer back in the late 90's wearing the subduded Trident on his BDU's.. It was the only Badge he wore on his chest... he had the SF Gp patch on the shoulder with the SF tab... I have a friend who works for Blackwater who is a former 2nd & 3rd Bat Rgr, and was in the US SF... He went thru the Seal Program... I don't know if he is authorized to wear the Trident, but he told me he was Badged at the end of all of the training he went thru.. and he told me it was some tuff ****... I remember he told me how he though that he was just going to be added to a SEAL team to train.. the next thing he remembers is huddled with a bunch of other guys freezing is ass off in the ocean during hell week, or something like that -.- not sure the name myself of this week .. anyway.. once it was all over I'm not sure if he was posted to a team for a while or what... but he says he was colder in that week then he was ever in Rgr School... rofl I still can see the look on his face when he told me this story... He's got a real good southern accent, and it was great hearing his story.......

[Baboonass]

The US Army are allowed to wear Foreign Awards.... BUT... only if you have the US Equilivent to that award.... example.. If you have been awarded the Parachute badge from another country, you aren't authorized to wear it on the US Army Class A Uniform if you haven't been Awarded the US Airborne Wings... I'm sure that this goes for other awards like the German BW MArkmanship Badge... If you shot Expert for the BW Badge, and you don't have the Expert Badge for the US Army, then you can't wear it... I'm sure that there's someone out there with theAR 670-3-1 who can correct me...This does not just apply to foreign badges, but also badges from other services. But here, the regulations get complicated. Obviously, there are direct analogs to jump wings. But while there is no Army equivalent of the trident, a former NEC 532X would be able to wear it on his Army uniform (though the only one I can recall seeing was that fat Reserve poser in Cali).

I saw a "Green Beret* US Army SF member at Ft-Bragg, I believe he was an Officer back in the late 90's wearing the subduded Trident on his BDU's.. It was the only Badge he wore on his chest... he had the SF Gp patch on the shoulder with the SF tab... I have a friend who works for Blackwater who is a former 2nd & 3rd Bat Rgr, and was in the US SF... He went thru the Seal Program... I don't know if he is authorized to wear the Trident, but he told me he was Badged at the end of all of the training he went thru.. and he told me it was some tuff ****... I remember he told me how he though that he was just going to be added to a SEAL team to train.. the next thing he remembers is huddled with a bunch of other guys freezing is ass off in the ocean during hell week, or something like that -.- not sure the name myself of this week .. anyway.. once it was all over I'm not sure if he was posted to a team for a while or what... but he says he was colder in that week then he was ever in Rgr School... rofl I still can see the look on his face when he told me this story... He's got a real good southern accent, and it was great hearing his story.......


I hate to say this, but the guy is probably a phoney.

Army personell may not attend BUD/S, you have to be in the Navy. I've run across 3 Army folks with Tridents sewn on their uniforms that did not earn them.

If you have a name, PM me and I'll check it just to be certain.

[Baboonass]

The US Army are allowed to wear Foreign Awards.... BUT... only if you have the US Equilivent to that award.... example.. If you have been awarded the Parachute badge from another country, you aren't authorized to wear it on the US Army Class A Uniform if you haven't been Awarded the US Airborne Wings... I'm sure that this goes for other awards like the German BW MArkmanship Badge... If you shot Expert for the BW Badge, and you don't have the Expert Badge for the US Army, then you can't wear it... I'm sure that there's someone out there with theAR 670-3-1 who can correct me...

It's an Army thing. Navy won't alow it.

Although the Marines have the French cross thing on top of their hats, something to do with WW1 I believe.

The French fourragere is authorized only for the 5th and 6th Marine regiments to wear for their actions in Belleau Wood.

That's the one.


I was thinking of the Quatrefoil.



With undress and fatigue uniforms, all Marines wore a dark blue kepi. These fatigue caps were a copy of the French Chassuer pattern cap, and came with a straight leather visor constructed from two pieces of leather sewn over a stiffener. The top of the crown was counter sunk and Officer’s caps were distinguished by the addition of having a black silk ribbed band one and five eighths of an inch wide sewn onto the bottom of the cap and three rows of black silk braid, three sixteenths of an inch wide was sewn onto each seam from the bottom to the crown. One row of black silk braid sewn around the crown and a four lobed knot sewn into the crown. This knot, still in use in Marine Officer’s uniforms today, is known as the Quatrefoil. Enlisted personnel wore the same cap, but without the braiding along the sides or the quatrefoil on the crown.


MCO P1020.34F
MARINE CORPS UNIFORM REGULATIONS

CHAPTER 3: UNIFORM ITEMS AND REGULATIONS FOR THEIR WEAR


b. Men's cap crowns should fit on the frame and be free of wrinkles. Male officers' cap crowns will have a quatrefoil (fig. 3-1) centered on the top panel and an outer band of mohair braid.

[Baboonass]

With so many Canadians crossing the border to fight for our allies down south, do you get any going through BUD/s

I know of one, after he got his U.S. citizenship.

[California Joe]

The SOF community likes Spaniards. It is undecided on California Joe.

Awwwwwwww Damn. *looks down, kicks rock*

[foxtrot023]

Have any spaniards gone to cross train with the seals? what is the US SF community opinion of our commandoes?

regards,

To be clear, in the USA the SF community is Special Forces, a part of the US Army. When referring to SEALs, AFSOC, Rangers, SF, 160th SOAR together, the term is special operations forces, or SOF.

The SOF community likes Spaniards. It is undecided on California Joe.

Thanks for the reply. I used to see lots of SF in Panama in the 90s. There is even an infamous jungle course in there that got more than one unofficial and dirty name

regards,