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memphiz
12-19-2004, 03:49 PM
OTTAWA -- Canada needs more spies posted abroad to fight the global war on terror, says Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan. While not convinced of the need for a separate spy agency to operate overseas, McLellan said she and Prime Minister Paul Martin agree there's a pressing need for Canada to collect more foreign intelligence.

The mandate of CSIS could be expanded to do the job.

"We may want to redefine the existing section of the CSIS legislation to give them broader powers abroad, and perhaps to gather different kinds of intelligence," McLellan said in a year-end interview with Sun Media.

"That's something we would need to discuss. But it's also a question of resources. If you want to do more abroad, it costs money."

Traditionally, CSIS agents have primarily worked domestically, collecting foreign and security intelligence. But in a world that's "changed dramatically," Canada must reach beyond its borders to fend off potential terrorist threats, McLellan said.

"Intelligence is the lifeblood of preventing further terrorist acts. Intelligence is the lifeblood of destroying organized crime which funds, in turn, terrorism, or at least some terrorism offshore," she said.

Foreign Affairs and International Trade departments already gather "general political intelligence" through embassies abroad on issues ranging from industrial intelligence to refugee pressures and migration trends.

McLellan said intelligence helps the government inform government decision-making on issues aside from crime or terrorism.

"Depending on the intelligence you gather, you may have someone in an embassy who learns something about what a key competitor of one of our major corporations may or may not be doing. That's information that then can help us in terms of developing our strategy around a trade initiative for example," she said.

While it's expensive to post agents and support staff, McLellan said CSIS is the "logical vehicle" to gather more intelligence abroad.

"There are extremists in different parts of the world who would attempt to collect the funds and materials for the destruction of innocents, weapons of mass destruction, where they might be purchased, who they might be purchased by, what their target might be - all of this is happening in the world, and we need to have our own independent sources of intelligence about those things," she said.

In turn, under the "appropriate protocols," Canada must share information with "like-minded countries" and key allies such as the U.S., the U.K. and Australia, she said.

Intelligence that convinces the government there is state-sanctioned terrorism would likely influence Canada's foreign policy in relation to that country, she said.

Redux
12-19-2004, 04:51 PM
any numbers/ estimation of personnel working at CSIS? is it a lot smaller compared to CIA?

ramy
12-19-2004, 05:42 PM
way smaller... The CSIS buget isnt even close to the CIAs budget......

memphiz
12-19-2004, 05:48 PM
any numbers/ estimation of personnel working at CSIS? is it a lot smaller compared to CIA?
Well the population of the US is 300 million, where as Canadas in 32million...I think you can figure the rest out ;)

canuck556
12-20-2004, 12:17 PM
Right now CSIS has about 2400 employees and has a budget of about 256 million dollars. Both will be increasing over the next 5 years or so, there is a lot of talk about a foreign intelligence service being created to have the ability to collect foreign intelligence around the world. If you want to know more about the possibility of a foreign intelligence agency being created I recommend this site http://cv.jmellon.com/cfis_2.pdf it is a university thesis outlining the need for this type of agency and has lots of info on CSIS and CSE.

Trigger1027
12-20-2004, 12:32 PM
I think that's reasonable. Increasing the budget of the agency is okay as long as the military gets to see some sort of increase in budget as well. The Canadian Military has been neglected for so long it's embarrassing. Damn those Brits and their faulty subs, damn the Canadian Gov't and their corner cutting.
Hopefully this leads to an overall increase in budget for everything that's important for the defense of the nation.

Falco
12-20-2004, 01:05 PM
Let's see how long it takes for civil liberty/privacy groups to start complaining

GrimmyRX
12-20-2004, 02:54 PM
Bet you they already are, lol.