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b.scheller
12-29-2004, 11:23 PM
I found these comments on another site (http://www.faqfarm.com/History/WWII/35763) (these were made by their user's and in fact may have little historical fact or truth, I do not embrace any of these views as my own. In fact, I do not agree with the terminology of calling Finland a part of the axis, perhaps as Marcus Wendel put it a co-belligerent would be a better term to describe Finland's role):

This is an interesting question and one that I have been troubling over for many years. It would seem that it is not as the previous correspondent put it that the Finns had no choice. It was infact a honour bound direction from the Finnish Parliament (the Duwnhwareah) which had passed a law in 1704 decreeing that "Twixt ourzelves and the Duke of Borneomshoire theras to be neither paece nar whare". At the time of WW2, the Duke of Borneomshoire could be more adequately described as the Duke of Bavaria or, at that time, the Chancellor of Germany. It was as a result of this Act of Parliament, that the Finns found themselves in WW2.

At least for me the previous correspondent had really a far fetched explanation (Duke of Bavaria etc ???).

As I see it, after the decision on not to bow on Russian ultimata (as baltian states had done) Russia attacked Finland. Finland requested desperatelly support from both upcoming axis and allies states. As always, most western european states where sympathetic, but that was the extent of their support. During winter war even Sweden and Norway declined of the usage of their territory for any military mobilisation activities for supporting Finland. In plain english, Finland was fighting the big communist soviet ALONE. And when one is fighting for survival, one tends to take any help available.

Deductions on who could be adequate partner become unrelevant when there really is just one choise available. But then again, after the end of ww2 (after the fierce and honourable contribution of American military) European allies were in position on having academic pep talk about the reason why a little nation that they themselfs apandoned was having any relations to Germany.

I Must confess that things get much more dizzy during contimium war. Officially Finland declared that it was fighting separate war against Soviet union to reclame the territories lost in winter war. Nevertheless German army was using Finnish territory for it's own offensive warfare agains soviet union. But again, even though Finland was further perpetrating it self as a axis state (at least in the eyes of allies), nobody else stood in for supporting Finland.

I tend also to think that the primary reason for the Finns to have any association (which was a shamefull association nevertheless) with nazi Germany was because Finland was alone. It was seen expendable by European allies states. When going got tough, Finland was fighting like hell agains a nation and idealism that the whole western Europe was dreading. In a sense Finland and it's nation (as ONE) was figting for self survival and for western democratic believes...

All in all Finland's role in whole ww2 scenario was a drop in the sea, but Finland succeeded where many failed. It was never occupied and it's army and nation remained steadfast all the way until the final peace treaty. She has remained her independence.

Now with these stated, views. Who do you think has the most factual answer? What is your own opinion, please state your mind. I'll be getting back to this topic, with my own answer.

oldsoak
12-30-2004, 08:35 AM
Britain was at one point getting ready to aid the Finns - and we could have had the odd situation where we might have been at war and allied with Russia at the same time. Herein lies a interesting moral dilemma - if you are faced with invasion and your only possible ally is the Nazis who have the industrial capacity to aid your defences, what do you do ? Do you turn a blind eye to their racism and possibly win or stand by your morals and loose ?

Kitsune
12-30-2004, 09:38 AM
Fact is: before 1944 the Fins called Germany an ally and a friend. The whole "co-belligerent" crap was invented after that date. Period.

One has to understand that it was a matter for survival for the Fins: The Soviet Union had shown aggressive intent before (Finland had been part of Russia before 1917...only the defeat of Russia by Germany in WWI made Finland a free nation) and Stalin had already tried in winter 1939/40 to re-conquer (after he had already conquered Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Bessarabia shortly before, in the case of Finland he was only partly successful however). Admittedly, while Finland had to thank Germany for its free existence, it was the Hitler Stalin pact which made Stalins aggression possible in the first place (Hitler himself wanted Poland back and he needed Stalins consent for that, so he agreed not to interfere if Stalin would try something with the Fins).
But from 1941 on Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were at war again, and the good German-Fin relationship was restored. The British on the other hand may have been sympathetic regarding Finland in the Winter War, but they wanted an Alliance with the Soviets more than a free Finland (and were all to willing to leave whole nations to Stalin for the sake of their own interests as it turned out). That left Germany and Finland as allies. And while the Fins never took over the Nazi antisemitism, Nazi Germany never tried to impose that on them.

But from 1944 on it was obvious that Germany would loose the war...and the Soviets would only have needed a slight excuse to go for Winter War Vol II (The Empire strikes back)...
So Finland distanced itself from Germany, later even declared war on it (mostly phony although there were some ugly scenes in the end). It worked. Finland stayed independent as a neutral nation.
Well and from 1945 on news about the Holocaust, astrocities, Joseph Mengele hit the media, while the horrors of the GuLag remained hidden. And of course the Soviet Union was a superpower, which made WWIII a possibility one had always to reckon with (in which case Finland may have been one of the first targets). No wonder that the Fins stuck to the "co-belligerent" tale.

But today one could start to give some credit to the truth. Even if its not to everyones liking. And that is that Finland and Germany were allies. Was this association shameful? Yes it was. But it was not more shameful than the British/American alliance with Stalin.

My 2 cents.

joka
12-30-2004, 12:03 PM
I would call it a necessary evil.

A shameful fact is that Finland extradited 4 jews to Nazi-Germany, knowing what would happen to them :oops:

Para
12-30-2004, 07:16 PM
Finland was between a rock and hard place, it wanted to be neutral, but Russia invaded Finland and although they gave the Russians hell for a long time and inflicted very heavy casualties on them, in the finish the Russian numbers over came them. When Germany invaded Russia then as far as Finland was concerned it was pay back time. The one thing that the Finns did during the war that stopped Russia exacting a terrible revenge when they started to beat the Germans was the fact that the Finns refused to block Moscow off completely and left the way open for the Russian to re-supply the City. This one of the reasons you do not hear a lot about Finland's involvement in WW2.

Wodan
12-30-2004, 08:48 PM
to working together with nazis for the own survival is of course not worse than working together with communists for geostrategic interests!

FFanatic
12-31-2004, 02:15 PM
- During the Independece war (1918) Germany supported White troops (government) who fought against Soviet supported Red's.

- During the Winter War (winter 39-40) Germany and Soviet Union were "allies" (Molotov-Ribbentrop pact) although both knew they would fight eachother sooner or later.

- Allied (UK, FRA) support to Finland during Winter War could have spread the war to all nordic countries. Allie's main interest in north was Swedish iron and Petsamo nickel mines. Which were great interest to Germany too.

- After Winter War it was pretty clear which of the two evils Finland would choose to fight with if war would start again.

- Finland never signed an official ally pact with Germany as "other" axis-nations.

- Finland's aims of war was to capture lands lost in Winter War and preserve her independence and democracy.

I really can't see any other way Finland surviving WW2 as an independent nation than first allying with Germany and at the end of the war throwing the Germans out of North Finland.

co-belligerent: sure
ally: maybe
part of the axis: hell no ;)



Para: Finns refused to block Leningrad (St. Petersburg). Also Finns didn't try to cut the Murmansk railroad which was an important supply route for SU.

BigBaribal
12-31-2004, 07:37 PM
Finland was alone and fought bravely to simply survive during WWII.

A good text here about the jewish Finns.

http://www.finemb.org.il/Historia.htm

The Jews of Finland and World War II

by Tapani Harviainen, Professor of Semitic Languages, University of Helsinki

In several respects the history of the Jews in Finland has no counterpart, either in the Scandinavian and Baltic countries or in Eastern Europe. In order to be able to tell what happened during the Second World War, I must explain how there came to be Jews in Finland in that period. As a consequence, this presentation consists of two parts: first, the rise of the Jewish community in Finland, and, second, the fate of the Jews in Finland during the Second World War.

In theory, there was no place for Jews in Finland. From the 12th-13th century until 1809 Finland was a province of Sweden. When Sweden was opened up to the Jews in 1782, residential rights were restricted to three, later four, cities on the Swedish mainland (Stockholm, Gothenburg, Norrköping; Karlskrona). Consequently, Jews were not allowed to settle in Finland. Nevertheless, visits were allowed and thus we know that the first Jews attested in Finland were the "Portuguese singers" Josef Lazarus, Meijer Isaac and Pimo Zelig, who together with the conjurer Michel Marcus were granted a licence to present their skills in Helsinki in 1782 (1.)

During the Swedish period some Jewish converts to Christianity also settled in Finland. Isak Zebulon of Lübeck, who had by baptismal received the name Christoffer, chose Oulu in Northern Finland as his new home town. The mother of Zacharias Topelius, the well-known Finnish writer - who lived in the 19th century was descended from this Oulu citizen of Jewish descent (2.).

Along with other Swedish laws, the 1782 regulations concerning Jews remained in force, as Finland became a Grand Duchy within the Russian Empire in 1809. Because of the high esteem enjoyed by the traditional laws of Sweden, the Grand Duchy of Finland remained a country out of bounds to Jews.

However, there is an exception which proves the rule. A part of south-eastern Finland, so-called Old Finland, was incorporated into Russia as early as the middle of the 18th century, and Swedish laws did not apply to that area until 1811. This made it possible for some Jewish families to move from Russia proper to Old Finland at the end of the 1790s; several families (Jacobsson, Kaspi, Veikkanen etc.) in Finland are descendents of these Jewish pioneers.

The Grand Duchy of Finland was a country out of bounds to Jews. However, when the Jews were granted civil rights in the independent Republic of Finland in 1918, 1,400 Jews were living in the country. How do we explain this miracle?

The regulations prohibiting the entry of Jews into the Grand Duchy of Finland did not prevent the Russian Army from entering the country. Ever since 1827, the Jews of Russia were liable for military service. With very few exceptions, Jews came to Finland as soldiers of the Czarist army. During the reign of Emperor Nicholas I, the duration of military service could well be 25 years - and even later it was six years. The conversion of non-Christian soldiers was one of the aims of the prolonged period of service. As one can imagine, the Jews in Russia did not consider the conscription to be a great honour, and thus the majority of Jewish recruits were sons of the poorest families, orphans and other of the underprivileged, many of them handed over to the army by the notorious chapers, i.e. kidnappers. After the long years of service, the soldiers, often having lost all contact with their birthplaces, were inclined to stay where they were.

This type of settlement caused a problem for Finnish autonomy. As a reaction, a Russian military ukase was issued in 1858 concerning soldiers discharged from the Russian army. According to this decree, a soldier in possession of a letter of retirement, a passport or a travel document had the right to settle and support himself in Finland. The same right applied to his family and children and also to his widow. As I have mentioned before, the decree was a Russian ukase, not a regulation promulgated by an initiative of the autonomous authorities in Finland. The ukase did not make any distinction between Christian and non-Christian soldiers, and the right of settlement of Jews was only implied from the general wording dealing with all ex-soldiers. Similarly, Moslems veterans were allowed to stay in Finland after that. Later, by a Finnish decree of 1869 and a letter from the Finnish Senate in 1876, ex-soldiers and their families were entitled to earn a living by selling home-made handicrafts, bread, berries, cigarettes, second-hand clothes and other inexpensive textile products. This type of trading was in which the Jewish narinkka markets in Helsinki began (3.).

At the beginning of the 1870s, organizational reforms in the Russian army brought about a rapid increase in the number of Jews in Finland to about five hundred - such a high figure! (4.) As a consequence, in 1872 a debate on their legal status was initiated in the Finnish Diet.

The four estates of the Diet, as well as the political parties of the subsequent Parliament, Senate, were unable to provide a solution to the problem. General conservatism, national protectionism and the fear of a mass exodus of the Eastern European Jewish proletariat were the main arguments of the opponents. The constitutional conflict between the Finnish and Russian authorities which began in 1899 further complicated the handling of the question.

It was only in 1918, in connection with Finnish independence, that full citizen's rights were granted to the Jews in Finland. In Europe, only Rumania acted more slowly than Finland in giving civil rights to the Jewish population. In Russia Jews were naturalized after the Revolution in 1917, and in Sweden this was achieved as early as 1870. - In this context it is worth noting that the great majority of Jews living in Sweden and other Scandinavian countries have a German background; immigration from Poland has also taken place.

Because of the restrictions, extremely few Jews could move to Finland on their own initiative. On the basis of the Finnish police archives it is evident that, excluding the intelligentsia, which was very small in number (a rabbi, a teacher and a circumciser), the background of all Jews was in one way or another in the Russian Army. They had not just come to Finland, it was the Army which had sent them - by chance - to Finland and finally they had settled in the country. The decision was not their own; it was a part of the inexplicable wisdom of the Army which chose who would be Jews of Finland in the future. No parallel case of this sort of genesis of a Jewish community is known to me.

The Russian Army thus sent Jews to Finland. However, a very important exception from this rule must not be forgotten. While the Army sent boys to Finland, it did not take care of providing wives for them. Actually, we have no precise information as to the measures to which the poor lonely soldiers resorted. Family legends tell of veterans who established a joint 'isqa venture, i.e. they collected money and wrote a letter to a rabbi in a shtetl in Lithuania asking him to dispatch so-and-so many marriageable Jewish women to Helsinki. Since trains were few in Russia, a consignment was transported by a cart. The ex-soldiers had plenty of time to spend waiting in the market place in Helsinki, and when the cart at last arrived, the strongest khaveyrim were ready to take the most beautiful meydelakh down from the wagon; the slimmer lads had to be happy with the rest. The story has given rise to a saying current among Jewish ladies in Finland: "I have not been taken down from a cart" - de-haynu: "I come from a better mishpokhe." (6.)

Be that as it may be, it is evident that other nationalities in Russia were attracted to Finland by its reputation in Russia as a country of order, a strong economy and greater intellectual freedom (7.). Obviously it was this reputation which assisted the Jewish soldiers in obtaining wives from Russia with such success that in 1898 the majority of Jews living in Helsinki were born in Finland; this genesis was due to the great number of children in their families.

From which parts of Russia were the Jewish soldiers sent to Helsinki? The Helsinki police archives offer a clear answer to this question. All Jews resident in Helsinki in 1898 had come from Russia which at that time included the greater part of Poland (8.). According to the archives the most important "home towns" or the localities and districts where the heads of the families had been registered before their arrival in Finland, were (1) Schlüsselburg (now Petrokrepost) east of St. Petersburg, above the River Neva, (2) the governments of Novgorod and Tver, and (3) Lithuania and the north-eastern parts of Poland. A surprising element in this information is that Schlüsselburg, Novgorod and Tver were all outside the Pale of Settlement where Jews were allowed to reside. Equally surprising is the almost total absence of Estonia and Latvia in the domicile registers (9.).

During the first decades of independent Finland, in the 1920s and 1930s, the Jewish population in Finland numbered nearly 2,000, more than at any other time. At the outset, Jews spoke either Yiddish or Russian. Linguistic assimilation led first in the direction of Swedish and then also in the direction of Finnish. Yiddish was discarded surprisingly quickly; a student of mine could find only three speakers of Yiddish for tape-recording for his M.A. thesis in Helsinki in 1995. In giving up the Jewish language, Yiddish, Finnish Jewry was left without a significant uniting factor, a factor which, for example, the Finnish Tatars have preserved (10.). Religion and consciousness of being Jewish remained, thereafter, the only uniting factors.

In the 1920s and 1930s, genuine anti-Semitism also found expression in Finland in certain ultra-right-wing circles, but it never gained wider sympathies. The fact seems to remain that in the young Republic all minorities suffered from prejudice and xenophobia to some extent but evenly distributed. In this period, the Jews did, however, carry one burden which may have made its position more difficult than that of other minorities: a significant number of the Soviet leaders and well-known Bolsheviks were Jews, and this fact easily led people to the following conclusion: because he is a Jew he must be a Bolshevik, and as such an enemy of Finland.

World War II (11.)

In the years 1939-1944 two different wars against the Soviet Union were imposed upon Finland. During the Winter War of 1939-1940 Germany remained strictly neutral on the basis of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact; Great Britain and France planned intervention in favour of Finland.

When the second, so-called Continuation War broke out in the summer of 1941, Finland was a co-belligerent of Germany, and Great Britain declared war on Finland in December 1941. De jure, however, Finland was never an ally of Germany, and at the end of the War, in the winter 1944-45, the Finnish armed forces expelled the German troops from Lapland, which was devastated by the Germans during their retreat to Norway.

Military service was compulsory for each male citizen of Finland. In 1939 the Jewish population of Finland numbered 1,700. Of these, 260 men were called up and approximately 200 were sent to serve at the front during the Winter War. Fifteen men lost their lives. In comparison with other communities in the country, the Jewish losses (8 %) were conspicuously heavy. However, it is obvious that the Winter War did not involve ideological problems - neither for the Jews nor for other citizens of Finland. In this respect a statement made by a Jewish veteran seems to be characteristic: "The Winter War gave us a deeper consciousness of being Finnish and of belonging to Finland more than any earlier period in our history."

As I mentioned earlier, the Continuation War broke out in the summer of 1941. Now Finland was a co-belligerent of Germany, and there were Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS troops in the country. However, no Einsatzgruppe was sent to Finland.

The comradeship-in-arms with Germany during the Continuation War did not alter the status of Jews in Finland or in its army. Jewish citizens served in the Finnish army, in women's voluntary defence services and in other duties alongside other Finns. The same was true with regard to all the ethnic minorities, Tatars, Russians, Gipsies, Lapps, without differentiation.

In a quite unique photo, in a snowy forest there is a millboard tent with an iron heating stove, the chimney on the left-hand side - and a number of soldiers are posing outside the tent. The tent is a field synagogue, "Scholka's shul", set up for the Jewish soldiers at the front beside the River Svir in Eastern Karelia. A field synagogue with a Torah Scroll was, no doubt, a very exceptional event in an Army fighting on the German side during the War.

Several Jewish soldiers were cited for bravery in action; a number of them served as company commanders and one as a captain and battalion commander; Jewish army doctors were promoted to the same officer ranks as their colleagues, inclusive of ranks of major.

During the two wars, 23 Finnish Jews were killed in action. As a tribute to their memory, their names are published annually in the Jewish Calendar of the Bicur Cholim Society in Helsinki.

It has been supposed that the Germans demanded the liquidation of the Jewish communities in Finland too. However, there is no evidence in favour of these claims. On the other hand, the small Jewish population of Finland was not rescued because of a "lapse of memory" among the Nazis as has sometimes been maintained. An evident confutation of this hypothesis is the case of a handful of Jewish citizens from Finland who were living in the German-occupied countries: their successful return to Finland resulted in intense diplomatic activity between Berlin and Helsinki in the spring and summer of 1943.

It was the public conviction that "we have no Jewish Question", and the Finnish prime minister J. W. Rangell expressed such an opinion to Heinrich Himmler in July 1942. Consistent messages of this kind may have warned the Germans not to endanger relations with their useful brother-in-arms over an insignificant matter of little advantage to them - after final victory there would be nowhere for the Jews to escape to.

The position of Finnish Jewish soldiers was very similar to the political reality: none of the Jewish citizens of Finland refused to enter military service on the grounds of pacifism or of being Jewish. On the other hand, no instance is known of German soldiers refusing to co-operate with Finnish Jewish officers. As a rule, the attitude of Germans to Jewish soldiers in the Finnish army has been described as an "astonished" but "correct" one. The usual answer to incredulous questions put by Germans was that "there is no difference between Jews and other soldiers in the Finnish army." A number of Jewish officers were awarded German Iron Crosses, but they refused them.

Jewish soldiers were not unaware of the general anti-Semitism of Hitler's Germany, and reports of atrocities and mass murders circulated among them and their families. However, the brutality of the Holocaust did not become evident until the end of the Continuation War in the autumn of 1944. The awareness of being Finnish soldiers gave the Jews an assurance of safety even in the vicinity of German troops. At the same time, quite a number of Jewish soldiers seem to have felt the need to display that they were at least as brave soldiers as their comrades.

The complexity of comradeship with the Germans became a serious problem only after the wars, when the extent of the Holocaust was revealed. First of all, the Norwegian Jews who had suffered most during the Nazi occupation questioned the policy of the Jews in Finland. I consider that two reactions to these questions illustrate the views of the Jews in Finland quite well. A former Jewish member of the women's voluntary defence services (lotta) told me: "We were very surprised because of these questions. We were proud that we were also accepted to join the other Finns." Another reaction was: an association called the Jewish War Veterans in Finland was founded in Helsinki in 1981 During the first year of the association's activity, 84 members, more than 10 per cent of the members present in the Community, joined the association. It is self-evident that this is a most valid piece of evidence in favour of the exceptional, independent nature of the war which Finland waged on the side of Germany.

This is a short account of the Jewish citizens of Finland during the War. Another story is that of the Jewish refugees.

The persecution of Jews, launched by the National Socialists in Germany and in other countries under their influence, also brought refugees to Finland, where, however, they were received in a rather reluctant manner. In all, about 500 refugees arrived, and of these, 350 had by the summer of 1941 continued their journey to a third country, mostly to Sweden or the United States.

In contrast to the Jewish citizens of Finland, the position of the refugees turned out to be very difficult during the Continuation War. Some of the refugees were German nationals, and others had escaped to Finland from countries allied with or conquered by Germany. When the Continuation War broke out in 1941 there were about 150 Jewish refugees in Finland. They were taken to two villages in the countryside, but 43 men were sent to work-camps first in southern Lapland (Salla) and then to the Isle of Suursaari (Gogland) in the Finnish Gulf.

In the autumn of 1942, Norwegian Jewry was annihilated; more than half of them (altogether 757 people) lost their lives. Most of the survivors were among those who succeeded in escaping to Sweden. As I have mentioned before, it has been supposed that the Germans demanded the liquidation of the Jewish communities in Finland. However, there is no documentary evidence in favour of these claims, either concerning the Jewish citizens or the refugees (12.).

Nevertheless, the State Police in Finland had agreed with the leaders of the Gestapo that Finland was allowed to deport the undesirable refugees to the areas occupied by the Germans. In October 1942 nine Jewish men were sent by the Finnish State Police from the Suursaari camp to Helsinki and ten Jews were arrested elsewhere in Finland. However, one of the men escorted from the Suursaari camp succeeded in sending a postcard to Mr. Abraham Stiller, a member of the Jewish community and brother of the famous stage-manager Mauritz Stiller. Stiller as well as his friends, both Jews and other Finns, made contact with various governmental and administrative organs including President Risto Ryti and Marshal of Finland Mannerheim. As a result the governmental and public discussions the extradition was prevented.

However, on the 6th of October 1942, the State Police had already had five Jewish men and three (or four?) members of their families deported to the Gestapo in occupied Estonia. Officially, the men were claimed to be guilty of espionage and other criminal activities; four of them had minor offences in police records. Nineteen other persons, most of them citizens of the Soviet Union, were deported on board the same boat. The Gestapo transported the Jews to Birkenau concentration camp. Only one of these people (Georg Kollman, a former citizen of Austria) survived; after the war he immigrated to Israel.

There is no need to try and wash away the shame, but it should also not be forgotten that in October 1942, Germany was at the height of its power. After Stalingrad, it was considerably easier to say no. When after the war the victor, the Soviet Union, issued the demand that the Finnish Ingrians and other refugees be handed over to the Soviet Union, it was influential enough to get what it wanted.

Of the other refugees, Finnish citizenship was granted to 110 persons in 1943-44; some of them left the country before that or later on.

On the Finnish Independence Day, the 6th of December, in 1944, President Mannerheim, Marshal of Finland, visited the synagogue in Helsinki where the memory of the Jewish soldiers killed in action was honoured. When Mannerheim died in 1951, the Jewish community raised a large sum of money which was donated to the Mannerheim Fund of Child Welfare as an expression of gratitude for the defence of the equal rights of Jews in Finland.



(1.) Jews expelled from Portugal in the 16th century settled in the Dutch cities and in Hamburg. Their offspring and communities were for centuries called Portuguese. The word is here used in this sense.
(2.) Another famous convert was Meyer Levin, who in 1799 was admitted to the Medical Faculty of the University of Turku. Later on, Levin worked at the University teaching German, and in 1815 he was given a permit to set up a printing plant.
(3.) From Russian na rynke 'at the market-place'.
(4.) In the earliest list of Jews in Helsinki of which I am aware, drawn up in 1868, 21 families with 83 family members were enumerated (National Archives, KKK 36/1686).
(5.) In a letter of the Finnish Senate written in 1889, certain Jews whose names were particularly mentioned, together with their families, were given the right to remain in Finland until further notice, and to reside in localities assigned to them. From these towns Jews were allowed to move only to Helsinki or Vyborg within Finland. The residence permit applied to children only as long as they lived with their parents. As soon as they married or entered military service, they lost their residental right. New Jews were no longer admitted to Finland. At first "residence tickets" were very strictly scrutinized, and because of the problem of marriage, many Jews moved away from Finland and others were expelled. In 1890, there were about one thousand Jews in Finland, but in five years their number decreased by one quarter. At the turn of the century the practice of examining and renewing residence permits was no longer observed, but the regulation remained officially in force until 1918.
(6.) Helsingin Sanomat (A. Hurwitz), no. 316, 21.11.1929, s 4.
(7.) This conclusion is confirmed by the article Eyn vokh in Finland by Shemarya Gorelik, who participated in the 1906 Russian Zionist Congress in Helsinki. The article was published in Dos yudishe folk in Vilna the same year, and it was almost comic in its praise of the Finns and conditions in Finland.
(8.) Most of the soldiers had served in the regiments of the 23rd division then stationed in Finland (the regiments of Dvinsk, Petshora, Onega and Belomorsk), but quite a few also in different auxiliary units (military hospitals, local detachments, feeding depots etc.) Among them were also many bandmasters, members of military bands and drummers.
(9.) In the 1880s and 1890s nearly all Helsinki Jews made their living by selling new and second-hand clothes and fruit at the narinkka market: the name of Simo (i.e. Simeon) Square still refers to the Jewish market. More than three quarters of the Jewish population lived in the same district of Kamppi, where both the narinkka (from 1876) and later also the Synagogue (from 1906) were located. As late as 1860s most Jews still lived in the districts of Siltasaari and Kruununhaka, where the market was located at the time.
(10.) These Tatars also derive their origin from Russian, from the region on Nizhni-Novgorod, east of Moscow. Although Tatars also served in the Russian army in Finland, they did not settle in the country as ex-soldiers; their forefathers came to Finland as pedlars of clothes and furs. In 1925 they established a Moslem congregation in Helsinki. As the case of the Jews, the members of the Tatar community have been able to adapt themselves to Finnish society without radical difficulties; both of these minorities are of the same size, viz. one thousand persons. Besides being a religious congregation, the Tartar Moslem community has stressed national aspects, retention of the Turkic Tatar language, tradional habbits and close family ties. In spite of competition in a number of lines of business, relations between the Tatar and Jewish minorities have been good; a sign of the ******* between them is a friendly football match arranged by them each spring.
(11.) For details of the wartime history, see Hannu Rautkallio, Suomen juutalaisten aseveljeys (The comradeship-in-arms of the Jews of Finland). Tammi, Helsinki-Jyväskylä 1989. 250 p., ill., English summary.
(12.) The fate of the Jewish refugees in Finland has been the subject of lively discussion, see Elina Suominen, Kuolemanlaiva S/S Hohenhörn ('Ship of Death S/S Hohenhörn', Porvoo 1979); Taimi Torvinen, Pakolaiset Suomessa Hitlerin valtakaudella ('Refugees in Finland during the rule of Hitler', Keuruu 1984); Hannu Rautkallio, Finland and the Holocaust, the Rescue of Finland's Jews (1987).

BigBaribal
12-31-2004, 07:45 PM
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Finland.html


The Second World War and Finnish Jewry

During the Finnish-Russian War of 1939-40 (the Winter War), Finnish Jews fought alongside their non-Jewish fellow countrymen. During the Finnish-Russian War of 1941-44, in which Finnish Jews also took part, Finland and Nazi-Germany were co-belligerents. Despite strong German pressure, the Finnish Government refused to take action against Finnish nationals of Jewish origin who thus continued to enjoy full civil rights throughout the War. There are many interesting anecdotes from this period, concerning, among others, the presence of a Jewish prayer tent on the Russian front virtually under the Nazi's noses and the food help given to Russian-Jewish POWs by the Jewish communities of Finland.

BigBaribal
12-31-2004, 07:47 PM
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=5999&highlight=finnish+jews


Here's some additional info.

In Winter War most united Jewish unit was 3th Company of III/infantry Regiment 10.Over half of it's men were Jews.One of unit's best known men was Sergeant Nathan Maischlich,who was promoted in the field for 2th Liutenant.
One Finnish Jew who was offered EK 2th class was Medical Major Leo Skurnik.He was chief doctor in IR53 and he organized medical care in Kiestinki August 41.SS Nord was also under his medical supervision.Finnish and German troops were encirceled and evacuation of wounted organized by him saved lifes of over 600 wounted.It was said that he did not only helped wounted Germans in field dressing station but picked them from under enemy fire.When Germans wanted award him with EK 2th class,he declined because he is a Jewish officer.
The other was Captain Salomon Klass.Before Winter War he spend 5 years in Palestine,fighting against Brittish.He won fame in Winter War fighting in Raattee road,exploding bridge of Purasjoki whitch stopped enemy advance.Later he fought in lake Lagoda.In continuation war he was Battalion commander and his Battalion saved an German unit whitch was encircled by Russians.When German Colonel Pilgrim came to him with meda l"Colonel Pilgrim thanked me for job well done.I asked him to sit and offered coffee.Then he asked did i came from Baltic,because my German sounded like that.I replied that i was born in Finland,learned Germany at school and my parents did emigrade from Latvia.When i did get started,i said that i was a Jew and my home language was Jiddis(whitch resembles Germany).Colonel stared at me,he stands up,takes my hand and said.-I don't have anything personal against you as Jew-.Then he said Heil Hitler and left.
There was no conflict over that mater.Germans didn't want to raise Jew question up to table.Many Finnish Jew soldiers said that Werchmacht officers had business-like attitude against them.There is no known incitend that Germans had refused to work with Finnish Jew officers.

40 years after the war Josef Lefko(visch) said"we were given amazing grace that we could fight for our freedom and human right at the time when our unarmed faithbrothers were slaughtered in Europe".

I think that sums it up pretty well.

Juha

jdoe
02-01-2005, 01:35 AM
This is an interesting question and one that I have been troubling over for many years. It would seem that it is not as the previous correspondent put it that the Finns had no choice. It was infact a honour bound direction from the Finnish Parliament (the Duwnhwareah) which had passed a law in 1704 decreeing that "Twixt ourzelves and the Duke of Borneomshoire theras to be neither paece nar whare". At the time of WW2, the Duke of Borneomshoire could be more adequately described as the Duke of Bavaria or, at that time, the Chancellor of Germany. It was as a result of this Act of Parliament, that the Finns found themselves in WW2.

I read this quote with my mouth and eyes wide open. Unbelievable story, that guy should get an Oscar for best screenplay ;)

First of all, Finland never had a real parliament before the end of 1917, after the declaration of independence. In 1704 Finland was an integral part of Sweden, and thus the Swedish crown decided our foreign policy. There couldn't have been any Finnish foreign policy back then anyhow, because there was no Finnish State. Not until 1807 did Finland become an autonomous Archduchy of Russian Czar.

As for the topic itself, almost everything has already been said, except for few however small, but significant details.

After the Winter war of 39-40, Finland tried to pursue a Nordic Alliance with Norway and Sweden, but since Stalin said that it would violate the peace treaty and thus lead to a new war, Finns backed off. That alliance would've made quite an interesting twist on the events in 1940-41 :) Since this alliance didn't work out, Finnish government was eager to find something else. But the initiative came from the Germans. First, in the form of commercial co-operation, then with an agreement on transferring supplies and troops to Northern Norway through Finland (by that time Norway was already occupied). Germans also let Finns have the military equipment that was stuck in the harbours of Denmark, the Benelux and France, shipments which didn't arrive during the Winter war due to German blockade and official Swedish "neutrality". During these negotiations, the Germans asked if the Finns would like to know about their upcoming operation against the Soviets and possibly contribute in it. Thus began the negotiations for co-operation in Op. Barbarossa. Finnish Lapland was declared a German Area of Responsibility, excluding the civilian administration. There was also a joint HQ. One Finnish division (3.D) and all the Northern border guard battalions were assigned under German command. There were also several German units under Finnish command during the Continuation war (41-44) and on many occasions it proved to be troublesome. German officers, especially those from the SS-units, were reluctant to take orders from Finnish officers. But there were exceptions, for example the Air Group "Kuhlmey" was an important part of Finnish defences in the summer of '44 and many veterans remember their Stuka- and Fw-strafes and how they saved the day on many occasions.

Another often forgotten detail is that from the spring of 1941 to spring of 1943, over a thousand Finnish volunteers served in the Waffen SS, on the eastern front. Most of them with the 5.SS, the "Viking"-division. Few of them are known to have stayed there and even fought in the ruins of Berlin in 1945. A complete story of these volunteers can be found here:
http://www.feldgrau.com/finland.html

Few more things. Finland considered the possibility to get out of the war as early as spring '42 but the Germans made it clear that it would be fatal to Fenno-German relations. They tried again in 1943, and the USA was offering to mediate the peace talks with the Soviets, but Stalin declared that it would mean a simple return to the Moscow treaty of 1940, and thus the Finns would've lost their precious Carelia again. This wasn't considered an option then, and besides, the Germans were still too strong and Finns too dependent on their grain. In the spring of 1944, Finns tried to open the negotiations again, but now Stalin wanted total surrender, which was even worse. Thus there was no deal. After the Soviet summer offensive and Finnish defensive struggle, Stalin was ready to admit that he wouldn't get his will and so an armistice was signed. But it declared that the Finns would have to cancel their relations with the Axis powers immediately, and get rid of all foreign armed forces, hostile to Soviets. It was then agreed that Germans would withdraw in peace, but since there began to be delays, Stalin urged Finns to react, in threat of having Soviet forces march into Finland and fight the Germans. This lead to some unfortunate incidents and quite rapidly into a full scale war. Germans had huge supply depots (over 180000 tons) allover Lapland and they were reluctant to leave them behind. 20000 bitter German soldiers began a slow withdraw, burning, mining and destroying everything on their way. Many villages and one whole town, Rovaniemi, were completely destroyed. Still, civilians were allowed to evacuate and those who didn't want to go, were left alone. Due to the armistice, Finnish Army was demobilizing and had to deal with the Germans with their peacetime strenght and most of it was made of fresh conscript soldiers. Lapland hasn't got too many roads and the Germans mined them very efficiently. Thus it took 8 months to drive them out. It cost Finns 774 lives, 262 went missing and over 3000 were wounded. Germans also suffered, about 1000 were killed and some 2000 were wounded. 1300 were captured and handed over to the Soviets, as the armistice declared. I think this does qualify for a bit more than a phony war and small skirmishes?

Some personal touch; my grandfather would've missed the war but he was drafted in September 1944 and after basic training, fought in Lapland for almost 6 months, finally stepping on a Schumine in April 30th 1945. Luckily he survived the war with scars but 4 of his 6 older brothers didn't. And both of those who were lucky enough to live through 4-5 years of war, were severly wounded, the other one lost his eyes and most of his face, and the other lost a leg. All of them were killed or wounded in the June-July of 1944.

This stretched a bit long, sorry about that. But I hope you enjoyed reading it :)

The_MadMan
02-03-2005, 12:35 PM
Finland was between a rock and hard place, it wanted to be neutral, but Russia invaded Finland and although they gave the Russians hell for a long time and inflicted very heavy casualties on them, in the finish the Russian numbers over came them. When Germany invaded Russia then as far as Finland was concerned it was pay back time. The one thing that the Finns did during the war that stopped Russia exacting a terrible revenge when they started to beat the Germans was the fact that the Finns refused to block Moscow off completely and left the way open for the Russian to re-supply the City. This one of the reasons you do not hear a lot about Finland's involvement in WW2.

You probably intended to say Leningrad and not Moscow?

Turhapuro
02-04-2005, 09:02 AM
They tried again in 1943, and the USA was offering to mediate the peace talks with the Soviets, but Stalin declared that it would mean a simple return to the Moscow treaty of 1940, and thus the Finns would've lost their precious Carelia again.
And it would be extremely difficult in democratic country to withdraw to Moscow treaty borders when army was in good shape and everything seemed ok. It would have meant that whole war was needless and it would not be popular among citizens.