United Nations!

[Opening Batsman]

What do you think about the UN?

Damn, I stuffed up the poll... Why can't I edit it?

[FallenAngel]

In gerneral or how they're handling the crisis in SE Asia?

[Opening Batsman]

In gerneral or how they're handling the crisis in SE Asia?

In general.

58% for the hypocritic loosers. :P

[walford]

Apparently a popular subject here:

US Withdrawal from the UN (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27774&start=16&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=)

UN heading for history's dustbin? (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4061&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=)

Oil-for-Food: Germany, France China blocked probe (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=26471&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=)

The U.N. Still Refuses to Condemn Terrorism (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28026&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=)

The Senate vs the UN (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=30197&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=)

Reforming the United Nations (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=30634&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=)

[Opening Batsman]

Apparently a popular subject here:

US Withdrawal from the UN (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27774&start=16&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=)

UN heading for history's dustbin? (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4061&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=)

Oil-for-Food: Germany, France China blocked probe (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=26471&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=)

The U.N. Still Refuses to Condemn Terrorism (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28026&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=)

The Senate vs the UN (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=30197&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=)

Reforming the United Nations (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=30634&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=)

Yep, well that is why I made the poll. It is a popular subject and I wanted to see exactly where the sentiments lay.

[Argyll]

Why not post soloutions along with it?

What then becomes of all the sanctions imposed?

Who then is responsible for enforcing Arms sales to rogue countries?

Who then is responsible for distribution of aid and funds the world's humanitarian disasters?

Who has the right to act as the leader of them all?

Who will become responsible for the worlds refugees?

Who will become the peacekeepers in a warzone?

Under who's mandate will they operate

Under who's command will they operate

Under which laws will they operate?

Who will prosecute those who have carried out crimes against humanity?

Who is going to change International Law?


Once these and a hundred other questions are answered in seriousness,then perhaps the UN can be recontructed in accordance with todays requirements............but right now it's better the devil you know!!

[martinexsquaddie]

the un could be a lot better but most of the USA 's ideas won't improve matters

[cut]

the un could be a lot better but most of the USA 's ideas won't improve matters

well said

[Group9]

the un could be a lot better but most of the USA 's ideas won't improve matters

I'm just curious, here. Is there anything in the whole world that is not the USA's fault?

[walford]

I'm just curious, here. Is there anything in the whole world that is not the USA's fault?Cilantro.

[TALOS]

the un could be a lot better but most of the USA 's ideas won't improve matters

I'm just curious, here. Is there anything in the whole world that is not the USA's fault?
you noticed that too eh

[achilles]

They are a bunch of hypocritic loosers who are more interested in top grade lobster than the needs of others.
42% [ 20 ]

man, this forum sometimes behaves in a scary way....long live non-hypocrit America woot

:lol: Its like the UN is comprised by a bunch of aliens. Lemme quote this at this point from a thread that walford forgot to post:


By all means, let's get rid of UN. US teens hate it so much, surely it must be evil.
:lol:

From United Nations: Fighting for Survival (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=31062&start=0)

[achilles]

This is probaly the 3rd time i am reproducing this article...who knows...UN-bashing ignorant fools might bother reading it this time.


Focus on the UN: why the UN is good for the U.S

The UN is a valuable instrument for extending U.S. influence and for protecting U.S. interests more effectively in an increasingly complex and, at times, chaotic world. Because virtually all countries of the world are members, they can work cooperatively to find solutions to problems that have a global impact. Through active participation and leadership in the UN and its bodies, the U.S. can influence world developments more efficiently, more economically, and more effectively than it could if it had to deal with countries individually on every issue.

The cost of a UN membership for each American per year for everything from blue helmets for peacekeepers to polio vaccines for babies is about the price of a night at the movies. The "UN ticket" is one of the best U.S. investments. What are the returns on this investment?

* It buys programs that could save succeeding generations from war and famine.

* It pays for programs to protect the U.S. against harm to its environment and against the spread of diseases and dangerous drugs.

* It makes it safer for Americans to travel abroad or to send mail overseas.

* It helps Americans obtain worldwide industrial, food, and health standards, and protects the U.S. economy from unfair trading practices.

* It boosts the U.S. economy by facilitating trade and investment abroad by U.S. business.

Security and Safety Benefits

The UN Security Council is a forum for dealing with conflicts that can spill over borders and endanger U.S. friends and allies. It helps resolve threats and is a useful tool for sharing the costs of protecting U.S. security.

The International Atomic Energy Agency plays a critical role in American efforts to stem nuclear weapons proliferation in Iraq and the rest of the world. It also promotes multilateral efforts to enhance radiation protection and nuclear safety, and helps nations develop peaceful uses for nuclear power. The U.S. economy profits because the United States is a world leader in the development and export of technology for peaceful uses of nuclear power.

The UN International Drug Control Program is a major tool confronting the drug problem in the United States. It promotes adherence to international drug control treaties, and provides a comprehensive approach to fighting drug crimes. The UN increasingly provides incentives for farmers who grow poppies and other drug crops to substitute legal cash crops. The UN is devising more effective means of seizing the assets of drug criminals and limiting their ability to use banks to launder money. The UN improves the ability of customs and narcotics officers to investigate and prosecute offenders.

American travelers abroad benefit directly from U.S. membership in the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), which sets the standards for the safe conduct of international civil aviation. ICAO's high standards for aviation safety and airport security help protect Americans when they travel overseas and benefit the U.S. aviation industry. Similarly, Americans benefit from the ship safety and pollution prevention standards developed by the International Maritime Organization.

Health Benefits

Environmental pollution abroad also affects the environment in the United States. Nuclear waste or other pollutants in China's air can damage Wisconsin milk and cause cancer in Vermont. Dumping oil and mercury in the oceans can destroy U.S. fishing industries and harm its citizens. By working with other countries in the UN Environment Program, the U.S. reduces these environmental threats to Americans. Through its work with UN agencies and in UN conferences to improve the global climate, the U.S. has helped establish international industrial standards that will reduce skin cancers, slow the spread of deserts, and increase the amount of arable land to feed a growing world population.

The World Health Organization (WHO), UNICEF, and the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) protect the health of Americans by doing daily battle against infectious diseases, including AIDS.

* WHO led the effort in the worldwide elimination of smallpox, engineered the first international approach to rabies, set up an early warning communications system for epidemics, and established approaches for combatting today's emerging viral and bacteriological threats.

* UNICEF has been remarkably successful in immunizing children and women of childbearing age against diseases such as measles, polio, diphtheria, and tetanus. Under UNICEF's leadership, immunization of the world's children against preventable diseases has increased from 20% in 1980 to 80% today.

* The UNHCR works to prevent the spread of diseases among the refugees and displaced persons encamped near areas of conflict. Unchecked, these diseases could spread widely and threaten Americans at home and abroad.

Economic Benefits

U.S. membership in the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) provides access to weather data of immense benefit to American farmers and American shipping and aviation. By sharing its data with other countries through the WMO, the U.S. gains access to their data. This benefits the U.S. by avoiding the great cost of gathering the data independently, reducing crop losses, and increasing the safety of American shipping and aviation.

Membership in the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) provides a forum to allocate worldwide radio frequencies and to coordinate orbits for communication satellites. It also reduces interference problems for international radio and television broadcasting and prevents interference with the frequencies used by aircraft and ships for navigation. The ITU conducts important work in standardization, which has resulted in the adoption of U.S. standards as global standards, thus increasing the export of U.S. telecommunication products and services. Participation by the U.S. telecommunication industry in ITU meetings and study groups has reinforced U.S. leadership in the field.

UN membership also benefits Americans every time they mail a letter to another country because the United States is a member of the Universal Postal Union (UPU). The UPU sets standards to ensure safe and secure handling of mail. It also aids U.S. businesses by helping to ensure fair and competitive international postal pricing.

American agriculture has saved billions of dollars because of programs to combat plant, pest, and animal disease control by the UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO). The FAO, jointly with the World Health Organization, sponsors a vital trade standardization program that sets international food product safety and quality standards. This creates a level playing field for American food exports, now exceeding $40 billion a year.

Membership in the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPU) gives Americans another major economic boost. American intellectual property is valued today in billions of dollars of exported movies, music videos, books, and computer software every year. The market for these exports would be lost or substantially weakened without international rules prohibiting piracy of these intellectual products.

Several other UN organizations do work that benefits American business. U.S. companies provide goods and services for long-term development projects of the UN Development Program (UNDP) in developing countries. UNDP provides technical assistance to clean up polluting industries and ensure that new plants use clean technologies, often of American origin. UNDP, for example, works to create open economies and stable democratic civil societies, resistant to conflict and attractive to U.S. trade and investment; it accomplishes this by running programs to create jobs for men and women worldwide; by promoting economic reform, privatization, and democratization; and by addressing health, education, and other basic needs.

The UN Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) has set up a global information network that links into the Internet to ensure that small-and medium-sized businesses in the U.S. and other countries can access the global marketplace. This promotes trade and enhances U.S. exports of goods and services in telecommunications and information technology for trade.

The UN Department of Humanitarian Affairs - in its project to develop better methods of early warning, prevention, and coping with natural and man-made disasters - also buys U.S. equipment and goods. UN programs support countries that are moving toward privatization and trade liberalization, and using the market to promote development, thereby helping to create future markets for U.S. goods and services.

Summary

UN organizations help build better nourished, healthier, and more prosperous populations in developing countries, which in turn contribute to a more secure international order and expanded markets for U.S. goods and services. For a minimal investment, Americans get all these benefits to their health, safety, convenience, and prosperity.link (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1584/is_n29_v6/ai_17229677)

and ****...look who has written it :
COPYRIGHT 1995 U.S. Government Printing Office

Now, why the US is bad for the UN and why Bush is bad for the rest of the world plus his own country is a different discussion p-)

Oh and before people continue into flooding this thread with worthless **** about the UN, lets try and answer the following questions:


with the UN gone, who do you think is going to keep up the work of, say, UNICEF, UNHCR, UNESCO, UNFP, FAO, WHO and other UN agencies? Any suggestions? Or could it be that you're one of those simpletons who hate UN because it's the cool thing to do, and doesn't know doodle squat about UN?

questions posed by ikurinturbiini not so very long ago.

Have a good day.

[Commie]

Goes to say that i guess you can look at UN as a mirror a reflection of the world community working together.

If UN fails the world fails. Just as simple as that.

[achilles]

Goes to say that i guess you can look at UN as a mirror a reflection of the world community working together.

If UN fails the world fails. Just as simple as that.

Couldnt have said it better!

[Weasel]

By all means, let's get rid of UN. US teens hate it so much, surely it must be evil.
:lol:

From United Nations: Fighting for Survival (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=31062&start=0)

woot

PS: Eurowussies like UN so much, surely it must be evil. p-)

[SHAM]

The UN as the name suggests is a "team" of individual member nations. To say lets get rid of the UN is just a non-runner as i am imagining it would need a considerable number of the member nations to "get rid of it" But should a member nation decide to leave, i am sure that would be facillatated and am equally sure they would be welcomed back as soon as common sense prevailed. In summation, no country is a member of the UN against its will.
I do think the UN has many failings, those have been listed many times here by those who would seek to make it better. I do beleive there is no alternative to the UN, and we need to work harder as members to make it as democratic and upstanding as the EU.

[BarkingSquirrel]

A "team" doesn't work when everyone jumps into small gangs, and purposely screw up the game plan for everyone else. The whole thing became a complete joke the second a single entity was able to stop an entire group of others all on his lonesome.

[Opening Batsman]

I am quite surprised to see how many people voted for the lobster option. They probably all saw the previous UN bashing threads and decided that it was a cool thing to do. I think the UN is a good idea and all, but they take too long to get things done. I can understand that in peacekeeping and other possibly warlike operations because it is a delicate situation and needs to be handled carefully. But for something like the tsunami, they need to be organising things on a grand scale straight away.



And just for the record, the poll heading was supposed to be an option. :oops:

[Kilgor]

I think its a damming inditement of the UN, when the "never again" of rawanda is being repeated in Sudan.

[Ratman]

the un could be a lot better but most of the USA 's ideas won't improve matters

I'm just curious, here. Is there anything in the whole world that is not the USA's fault?

Why does someone ALWAYS have to resort to this white-washing statement whenever ANY criticism is directed at the US. We share responsibility for a lot of problems in the world; get over it. This sentiment also applies to all those who really do think that the US has never contributed anything positive in the "whole world". Rather, let's dwell on the solutions not the blame game. In my opinion the UN is PART of the solution not the problem. It has to be improved but it should not be disgarded.

[Opening Batsman]

I'm just curious, here. Is there anything in the whole world that is not the USA's fault?

The answer is either yes or no, whichever shuts you up the fastest.

[Ratman]

I think its a damming inditement of the UN, when the "never again" of rawanda is being repeated in Sudan.

How bout the never again of Vietnam being repeated in Iraq? Is that a damning indictment, too?

[Ratman]

[quote="Group9"I'm just curious, here. Is there anything in the whole world that is not the USA's fault?

The answer is either yes or no, whichever shuts you up the fastest.[/quote]

woot woot woot

[cut]

I think its a damming inditement of the UN, when the "never again" of rawanda is being repeated in Sudan.

US unilateralism has done **** all about it either. The AU is there though.

[Ratman]

I think its a damming inditement of the UN, when the "never again" of rawanda is being repeated in Sudan.

US unilateralism has done f*** all about it either. The AU is there though.

I'd be interested to hear some elaboration.

[SHAM]

Its good to see the UN taking control in asia now. Finally some co-ordination. Better late than never.

[SEALInTheMaking]

An organization like the UN is necessary for world security. However, the UN at this time is considerably less then an effective devise for this. Now I'm not saying that the UN should be abolished or anything like that, I think that's a terrible idea. But it does need a considerable tune-up. The idea behind the UN is that all the countries will work together as a whole to resolve whatever situation arrises. But this almost never happens. One of the UN's biggest problems is that many of the stronger countries consistantly refuse to commit forces to UN endeavors. You all seem to have no problem ripping on the US, but when it comes time for military action in the name of the UN, it is ALWAYS the US that makes up the majority of the military force. That's why so many Americans dislike the UN, because so many of the participating countries do nothing but critisize us, and yet it's always our boys in the line of fire. I don't feel the need to name these countries, all of you that have at least half a scrap of intelligence should know which ones I'm referring to.

That was a pretty good rant. Now let the onslaught of attacks begin. ;)

[Opening Batsman]

You all seem to have no problem ripping on the US, but when it comes time for military action in the name of the UN, it is ALWAYS the US that makes up the majority of the military force. That's why so many Americans dislike the UN, because so many of the participating countries do nothing but critisize us, and yet it's always our boys in the line of fire.

I don't remember too many yanks in the Aussie led UN peacekeeping missions in East Timor and Solomon Islands. ;)

[SEALInTheMaking]

Well, Australia wasn't one of the countries I was referring to. Australia is a dependable ally who consistantly steps up to lead and support. I wish more countries in the UN were like Australia.

Gulf War, Somalia, Haiti, Yugoslavia...

[janush]

Well, Australia wasn't one of the countries I was referring to. Australia is a dependable ally who consistantly steps up to lead and support. I wish more countries in the UN were like Australia.

Gulf War, Somalia, Haiti, Yugoslavia...


france.....

[SEALInTheMaking]

france.....

Please read up on France's contribution to those operations.

[Opening Batsman]

Well, Australia wasn't one of the countries I was referring to. Australia is a dependable ally who consistantly steps up to lead and support. I wish more countries in the UN were like Australia.

Gulf War, Somalia, Haiti, Yugoslavia...

The point I was making was the fact that is is not ALWAYS the yanks who do the most in UN operations. :P

[SHAM]

Well, Australia wasn't one of the countries I was referring to. Australia is a dependable ally who consistantly steps up to lead and support. I wish more countries in the UN were like Australia.

Gulf War, Somalia, Haiti, Yugoslavia...

The point I was making was the fact that is is not ALWAYS the yanks who do the most in UN operations. :P

Here we go..."does the most".."gives the most" its such a childish never ending discussion on these posts.
When will people understand..Self praise, is No praise. I thought charity was about doing things for others to feel better in yourself. Not about who gets the better headlines.

[nzbm]

Isn't Fiji the only nation to have contributed to EVERY UN Peacekeeping mission? Lots of "little" countries contribute to the UN, not just the big fish.

[Opening Batsman]

Well, Australia wasn't one of the countries I was referring to. Australia is a dependable ally who consistantly steps up to lead and support. I wish more countries in the UN were like Australia.

Gulf War, Somalia, Haiti, Yugoslavia...

The point I was making was the fact that is is not ALWAYS the yanks who do the most in UN operations. :P

Here we go..."does the most".."gives the most" its such a childish never ending discussion on these posts.
When will people understand..Self praise, is No praise. I thought charity was about doing things for others to feel better in yourself. Not about who gets the better headlines.

Settle down mate, I was just correcting a factual error. :roll:

[Backis]

I thought charity was about doing things for others to feel better in yourself. Not about who gets the better headlines.

That is how it should be, not how it is. At least not on a governmental level.