Take a look at this..

[cut]

http://cartoonweb.com/images/waronsaddam/waronsaddam19.gif

I think this sums up George W. Bush pretty well

do you agree?

[papabear]

How do you interpret this cartoon?

It seems to be belittling the president, suggesting that he doesn't have the experience or wisdom to determine foreign policy, and that the real people in control are the members of his cabinet and administration. It even seems to imply that we wouldn't be at war if it weren't for members of his administration.

Give me a break...

Personally, I'm rather tired of people mocking the president because he doesn't seem refined or "educated," and that he has to be led by the hand in order to decide what is right for the country. One may disagree with his decisions, but if one doesn't know the man personally, or have the first-hand experience to make the sort of judgement that is embodied by the cartoon, then they should refrain from saying anything.

People tend to be quick with their mouths (or in this case, with their pens) if they can score points and make themselves look better than the people in charge.

[SFontaine]

I think it's another silly shot at the president. People say he's uneducated and that his adminstration is doing all the work, well the fact remains, he graduated from Yale and is certified to fly an F-16 :)

[cut]

I think graduating from yale is a given if your part of the bush family...
just like graduating from oxford is a given if you are in the royal family

[a. enders]

I bet you were of those people who assumed CLinton was a libidnous whore-monger though,weren't you Papabear?But you made that judgement based on his actions,didn't you?Why can't someone make the same assumptions based on G.W.s actions and words?
I think my point is (or isn't...whichever,not sure...) is that it's the American's right to snipe the prez and whine about the country. woot It's the best part of being American.

[Nelson]

Clinton was horrible I don't care what you say. It is his fault that we lost those men in Somolia and it was his fault Osama was able to do what he did.

[papabear]

I bet you were of those people who assumed CLinton was a libidnous whore-monger though,weren't you Papabear?But you made that judgement based on his actions,didn't you?Why can't someone make the same assumptions based on G.W.s actions and words?
I think my point is (or isn't...whichever,not sure...) is that it's the American's right to snipe the prez and whine about the country. woot It's the best part of being American.

It depends on what view one has of human psychology. If you think that there is such a thing as virtue, and that virtues are interrelated, and one can't have one without the other (see Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics, or Plato's Republic), then one can infer from Clinton's shinanigans that he lacks the virtues of temperance and justice, because this sort of behavior was consistent and repeated. And if one agrees with the premise that the virtues are interrelated, if he lacks one virtue, he lacks all of them, including prudence, which is of paramount importance for leading the country.

On the other hand, with respect to Bush, as far as I know, no one has presented evidence that he's been unfaithful to his wife, nor has any bad addictions, nor participated in any unsavory financial deals, though such allegations have been made. Most of the criticisms have been pointed to a lack of prudence, or practical wisdom, and it is really difficult to evaluate whether one has this virtue or not. With the other virtues, it's pretty clear- cut. For example, if someone does something unjust repeatedly, then one knows what kind of character that person has. On the other hand, in order to know that someone is unwise, one has to know the situations he has been in, the steps he made in his process of deliberation, along with the choice he made. Someone may fumble on camera and make mistakes with his grammar or ****unciation or whatever, but this does not necessarily mean that he doesn't have practical wisdom, just that he may not the appropriate language skill (or perhaps he gets nervous in front of crowds). The point is, the only people who have access to the requisite information to make this sort of judgement with respect to Bush's wisdom are the people who are close to him, and know everything that is going on. Most Americans do not fall in that category.

On the other hand, if someone's a strict materialist, and believes that thinking processes are all physical operations of various compounds and elements, then none of this really matters, because one's pretty much determined to do what he does. There is no freedom whatsoever. So there's no point in making any such evaluations of character.

[stuntman]

Amen to that! :backhand:

[hood]

I see nothing wrong with what the cartoon represents in its truest form. The president is ultimately in control, but the people who know the most about what needs to be done are Rumsfeld, Cheney etc who've already done this before. They both have extreme levels of experience in this exact theater of operations. One couldn't possibly ask for a more prepared leadership in this situation.

[Ratamacue]

I guess that the protesters could.

[hood]

I"ll counter with some of my own though. :)


http://cagle.slate.msn.com/comics/updating/parker.gif

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/comics/updating/thompson.jpg

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/comics/updating/siers.jpg

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/comics/updating/ramirez.gif

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/comics/updating/varvel.gif

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/comics/updating/harville.jpg

[Vance]

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/comics/updating/varvel.gif

Haha!

[morlick]

:D :D :D :D :D
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bush_chimp.jpg

[hood]

The last time pictures like this where people were put next to monkey's like this, was with Nazi propaganda against blacks during the olympic games in Germany when Hitler was in power. Good job.

[cut]

grunts refered to japanese as animals too... that was after 1939

[covert-one]

I am very tired of liberals mocking the President.Atleast he has the balls to do something to protect our country against those who dare to attack us.What did Clinton do after all the attacks on Americans and American interests, NOTHING.

>>>>>AMERICAN DISASTERS......
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A little political review,
>>>>>>a time to think &remember...
>>>>>>From a Navy man...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and
>>>>>>injured 1,000;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>President Clinton promised that those responsible would be
>>>hunted
>>>>>>down and punished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S.
>>>>>>military personnel;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down
>>>and
>>>>>>punished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which
>>>>killed
>>>>>>19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down
>>>and
>>>>>>punished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which
>>>killed
>>>>>224
>>>>>>and injured 5,000;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Clinton promised that those responsible! would be hunted down
>>>and
>>>>>>punished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and
>>>>injured
>>>>>>39 U.S. sailors;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down
>>>and
>>>>>>punished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Maybe if Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 3,000
>>>people
>>>>in
>>>>>>New York and Washington, D.C. that are now dead would be alive
>>>>>>today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>AN INTERESTING QUESTION:
>>>>>>This question was raised on a Philly radio call-in show.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Without casting stones, it is a legitimate question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There are two men, both extremely wealthy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>One develops relatively cheap software and gives billions of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>dollars to charity. The other sponsors terrorism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That being the case, why was it that the Clinton Administration
>>>>>>spent more money chasing down Bill Gates over the past eight
>>>>years
>>>>>>than Osama bin Laden?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>THINK ABOUT IT!
>>>>>>It is a strange turn of events.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hillary gets $8 Million for her forthcoming memoir.
>>>>>>Bill gets about $12 Million for his memoir yet to be written.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This from two people who have spent the past 8 years being
>>>unable
>>>>>to
>>>>>>recall anything about past events while under oath!

[SFontaine]

:D :D :D :D :D
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bush_chimp.jpg


It's funny how anyone can make faces like that and look like a monkey.

Moron.

[morlick]

I am very tired of liberals mocking the President.Atleast he has the balls to do something to protect our country against those who dare to attack us.What did Clinton do after all the attacks on Americans and American interests, NOTHING.

>>>>>AMERICAN DISASTERS......
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A little political review,
>>>>>>a time to think &remember...
>>>>>>From a Navy man...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and
>>>>>>injured 1,000;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>President Clinton promised that those responsible would be
>>>hunted
>>>>>>down and punished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S.
>>>>>>military personnel;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down
>>>and
>>>>>>punished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which
>>>>killed
>>>>>>19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down
>>>and
>>>>>>punished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which
>>>killed
>>>>>224
>>>>>>and injured 5,000;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Clinton promised that those responsible! would be hunted down
>>>and
>>>>>>punished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and
>>>>injured
>>>>>>39 U.S. sailors;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down
>>>and
>>>>>>punished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Maybe if Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 3,000
>>>people
>>>>in
>>>>>>New York and Washington, D.C. that are now dead would be alive
>>>>>>today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>AN INTERESTING QUESTION:
>>>>>>This question was raised on a Philly radio call-in show.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Without casting stones, it is a legitimate question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There are two men, both extremely wealthy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>One develops relatively cheap software and gives billions of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>dollars to charity. The other sponsors terrorism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That being the case, why was it that the Clinton Administration
>>>>>>spent more money chasing down Bill Gates over the past eight
>>>>years
>>>>>>than Osama bin Laden?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>THINK ABOUT IT!
>>>>>>It is a strange turn of events.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hillary gets $8 Million for her forthcoming memoir.
>>>>>>Bill gets about $12 Million for his memoir yet to be written.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This from two people who have spent the past 8 years being
>>>unable
>>>>>to
>>>>>>recall anything about past events while under oath!

Perhaps but I don't know Bill Clinton.

[the keepa]

It's good to have adults back in the Whitehouse rather than the adolescents of a few years back !!! woot

[cut]

Best buddies

http://www.francetv.fr/commun/evenements/irak/img/hussein-chirac.jpg

saddam and chirac (circa 1975)


http://www.francetv.fr/commun/evenements/irak/img/hussein-chirac-centrale-197.jpg

saddam and chirac (circa 1976) probably in a weapons factory


and just one more to proove the first two aren't coincidence.
http://www.francetv.fr/france3/emissions/piecesaconviction/img/pac1_20030130.jpg

[Chris1]

*cough*
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2002/US/09/30/sproject.irq.regime.change/rumsfeld.80s.jpg
presumably in a weapons factory (even though there is no evidence to support it in the slightest and plenty to discount it but hey)

[Piccolo]

While I do wish we had not supported Sadam durring the late seventies/early eighties, I do see the reasoning. After all, Iran was a common enemy among us (They took hostages in our Embassy in Tehran in '79). However, what exactly were the reason the French had dealings with them, besides money?

[Lobo]

France has sold weapons to everyone: Spain, when it was ruled by the General Franco dictatorship, South Africa's during the apartheid era, etc.

[papabear]

France has sold weapons to everyone: Spain, when it was ruled by the General Franco dictatorship, South Africa's during the apartheid era, etc.

Sorry, have to jump in and put forth the statement that General Franco's government should not be lumped in with Iraq or South Africa.