Abbas refers to Israel as 'Zionist enemy'

[J-10]

Abbas refers to Israel as 'Zionist enemy'
Posted 1/4/2005 4:53 AM Updated 1/4/2005 11:59 AM

KHAN YOUNIS, Gaza Strip (AP) — Presidential candidate Mahmoud Abbas on Tuesday called Israel the "Zionist enemy," a marked escalation in his campaign rhetoric.

Abbas spoke to thousands of supporters after seven Palestinians were killed by an Israeli tank shell earlier in the day in the northern town of Beit Lahiya.

"We came to you today, while we are praying for the souls of the martyrs who were killed today by the shells of the Zionist enemy in Beit Lahiya," Abbas said during a campaign stop in the town of Khan Younis in southern Gaza.

Abbas, the front-runner in Sunday's election for Palestinian Authority president, is considered a moderate and has the tacit support of Israel and the United States. Abbas has criticized the armed Palestinian uprising and called for an end to violence.

However, in recent days Abbas has been campaigning in Palestinian areas that have been the hardest hit by four years of fighting, and has courted militants.

Held aloft by gunmen during campaign rallies, Abbas has indicated he prefers to co-opt the armed men, rather than crack down as Israel demands.

The recent campaign moves have caused some concern in Israel. However, Israeli officials have refrained from criticizing Abbas in public, apparently brushing aside some of his hard-line statements as campaign rhetoric.

An Israeli official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that if Abbas is elected, "he will be judged by his actions, not his words, in providing security and fighting terrorism."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-01-04-abbas_x.htm?csp=34

[walford]

A Palestinian 'moderate' leader who is
- carried aloft by gunmen
- refers to Palestinian civilians as 'martyrs' while not acknowledging that they were killed because they were put in danger by their bretheren for being in a farmhouse that was being used to fire mortars and rockets into Israel
- and for this refers to the entire Jewish State as the Zionist enemy

The sad thing is that in Palestinian terms, Abbas IS a moderate.

[SeanAshi]

Abbas refers to Israel as 'Zionist enemy'Is that suppose to shock people? It's old news. Also he is a Holocaust revisionists.

[username]

A Palestinian 'moderate' leader who is
- carried aloft by gunmen
- refers to Palestinian civilians as 'martyrs' while not acknowledging that they were killed because they were put in danger by their bretheren for being in a farmhouse that was being used to fire mortars and rockets into Israel
- and for this refers to the entire Jewish State as the Zionist enemy

The sad thing is that in Palestinian terms, Abbas IS a moderate.

Moderate:
Def. A madman who holds attention in the public eye. He is not a threat to US financial interests so he is left alone and called a moderate instead of a madman and attacked(e.g. saddam).


note: Saddam was a threat to US financial interests, they need oil and there is money to be made in Iraq(McDonalds. Coke etc.).

[Mr. Nielsen]

Abbas refers to Israel as 'Zionist enemy'Is that suppose to shock people? It's old news. Also he is a Holocaust revisionists.

The question is what is meant by "zionist enemy". I don't think you can automaticly assume it to mean all of israel. There was a whole thread in the forum dedicated to the meaning of zionism. And that meaning differed from person to person, from anything from a decent desire of jews to there own homeland to zionism being a variant of nazism.

In the present case Abbas was talking in the context of a number of palestinian civilians, that was brutally killed shortly before. By zionist enemy he could be reffering to anything from the killers of those civilians, to those israelis who are indirectly responsible by supporting the occupation of the palestinian territories.

Below is what he actually said according to EI. And be aware that the martyrs he is talking about are civilians including Rajeh Ghassan Kamel Ghaben, aged 10 and Mahmoud Kamel Mohammed Ghaben, aged 12.

"We came to you today, while we are praying for the souls of the martyrs who were killed today by the shells of the Zionist enemy in Beit Lahiya."

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article3476.shtml

[Palmach]

The question is what is meant by "zionist enemy". I don't think you can automaticly assume it to mean all of israel.

Are you sure you are not related to Pr. Clinton? You seem the same ability to question the most obvious and strait-forward statements.




In the present case Abbas was talking in the context of a number of palestinian civilians, that was brutally killed shortly before. By zionist enemy he could be reffering to anything from the killers of those civilians, to those israelis who are indirectly responsible by supporting the occupation of the palestinian territories.

You mean, those "palestinian civilians" involved in lobbing mortars at the Jewish civilians? Well, maybe when Hitler was talking about the war against the international Jewry he didn't mean EVERY Jew in the world. Maybe.

[szr]

A Palestinian 'moderate' leader who is
- carried aloft by gunmen
- refers to Palestinian civilians as 'martyrs' while not acknowledging that they were killed because they were put in danger by their bretheren for being in a farmhouse that was being used to fire mortars and rockets into Israel
- and for this refers to the entire Jewish State as the Zionist enemy

The sad thing is that in Palestinian terms, Abbas IS a moderate.Sounds to me like he's working the base. American Presidential candidates do the exact same thing though the issues are different here than they are over there. If it gets Abbas in office instead of someone else, then let the man campaign the way that will get him there. He's also said that he sees no point in the rocket attacks because all they do is provoke more Israeli incursions which just prolong Palestian suffering.

[AOCBravo2004]

A Palestinian 'moderate' leader who is
- carried aloft by gunmen
- refers to Palestinian civilians as 'martyrs' while not acknowledging that they were killed because they were put in danger by their bretheren for being in a farmhouse that was being used to fire mortars and rockets into Israel
- and for this refers to the entire Jewish State as the Zionist enemy

The sad thing is that in Palestinian terms, Abbas IS a moderate.

Moderate:
Def. A madman who holds attention in the public eye. He is not a threat to US financial interests so he is left alone and called a moderate instead of a madman and attacked(e.g. saddam).


note: Saddam was a threat to US financial interests, they need oil and there is money to be made in Iraq(McDonalds. Coke etc.).

That's some talent you have there man, someone posts an article about Abbas and BAM, Saddam, US, and Oil is brought up :bash:

[SeanAshi]

A Palestinian 'moderate' leader who is
- carried aloft by gunmen
- refers to Palestinian civilians as 'martyrs' while not acknowledging that they were killed because they were put in danger by their bretheren for being in a farmhouse that was being used to fire mortars and rockets into Israel
- and for this refers to the entire Jewish State as the Zionist enemy

The sad thing is that in Palestinian terms, Abbas IS a moderate.

Moderate:
Def. A madman who holds attention in the public eye. He is not a threat to US financial interests so he is left alone and called a moderate instead of a madman and attacked(e.g. saddam).


note: Saddam was a threat to US financial interests, they need oil and there is money to be made in Iraq(McDonalds. Coke etc.).*cough bull*****

[Laworkerbee]

szr

Good post man

I agreee with you 100%, this is just working the base

[analyst]

I support Marwan Barghouti.

[Palmach]

The problem is that his policies and his action will be determined and driven by his need to retain the support of "the base". He may or may not be a moderate, he may or may not wish to stop the rocket attacks from Gaza, but as long as he is unable to find enough people amongst the populous to support his views and as long as he is unwilling to work to make the people see his point, he will be forced to conduct policies that he CAN find support for and those won't be moderate...