Israel SF in Iraq ?

[AirZone]

Well, i know theres must to be a team of israeli SF in iraq..

probably sayeret shaldag (the only unit that really took out scud lunchers at gulf war 1) and sayeret matkal...

anyone saw a pic of them ?
i bet they have USA desert uniforms or something...

hope theres some thing out there.. :hug:

[Gringo]

Well, i know theres must to be a team of israeli SF in iraq..

probably sayeret shaldag (the only unit that really took out scud lunchers at gulf war 1) and sayeret matkal...

anyone saw a pic of them ?
i bet they have USA desert uniforms or something...

hope theres some thing out there.. :hug:

I doubt it.

[One?]

I wouldn't doubt it at all. They US gave them desert uniforms in 91 why won't they do it now?

[Seoulstriker]

i hope that Israel was participating... I seriously doubt that you will EVER hear of any Israeli involvement, though. Even when Israel was being attacked by Iraqi SCUDs in GWI, it could not retaliate lest the coalition break apart.

[AirZone]

I know for sure that Sayeret Matkal and Shaldag participated in GW1...

And i bet they participated in GW2 as a unit that is looking for scud lunchers like they did in GW1 (and shaldag was the only unit that found and took out scud lunchers in GW2)

I remember before the war started there was stories in the news about israeli SF operating deep in Iraq.. probably sayeret matkal for finding out scud lunchers or some thing similar.

http://www.isayeret.com/operations/desert.htm
sounds quite realistic...
Maglan is also a long range unit.. so.. dunno.. there must be some pics or some thing.

[Seoulstriker]

Since the very presence of the Israeli teams in the area was highly classified, no air assets could be called upon for bombardment or support, and insertion/extraction as well supply flights were very complex and long. In one incident an IAF CH53 leading Israeli operators to Iraq was almost shot down by American fighter jets unaware of its identity.

whoah... i think you're right. wow. It's a good thing that this wasn't revealed DURING the war, i guess. ;)

[ArmoredDov_D9]

Israeli SF units in Iraq are rumors that were never confirmed.

[JayHawk]

I know for sure that Sayeret Matkal and Shaldag participated in GW1...


So you got any evidence of this?

You knowing for sure does not convince me...


Cheers,

JayHawk

[IDFM203]

I know for sure that Sayeret Matkal and Shaldag participated in GW1...


So you got any evidence of this?

You knowing for sure does not convince me...


Cheers,

JayHawkYour right, there is no evidence on the net to prove that, other then a lot of unconfirmed articles from sources from all over the world, so yes you can remain unconvinced…ok??

Shalom :D

[96B]

Logically speaking, there would never be any evidence that Israel participated ESPECIALLY in Desert Storm 91' because of all the arab nations involved. I have never heard anything about Israeli SF helping us out in Iraq both now and back in 91' but now that you mention it I wouldnt doubt they were there.

[ArmoredDov_D9]

If Israeli SF units have been took part in GW1 you wouldn't know about that :-)

[Gordon]

probably sayeret shaldag (the only unit that really took out scud lunchers at gulf war 1) and sayeret matkal...

What, so that fact that the SAS took out scud launchers in the gulf war was just a joke?

[AirZone]

probably sayeret shaldag (the only unit that really took out scud lunchers at gulf war 1) and sayeret matkal...

What, so that fact that the SAS took out scud launchers in the gulf war was just a joke?
as far as i know shaldag and maglan took scud lunchers without losses or having spotted by civilans...

[IDFM203]

I have never heard anything about Israeli SF helping us out in Iraq both now . well there have been numerous reports of actual Israeli special forces on the ground for some time before the war.

Here is a link from janes.

Israeli patrols in western Iraq: A sensitive and dangerous job

- 27 September 2002

WHILE politicians and media are discussing the prospect of war with Iraq, the Israelis are taking action. Foreign Report has been told exclusively that Israeli special forces are already operating reconnaissance patrols in western Iraq. These operations are carried out secretly by Israel's best-trained commandos, the 'Sayeret Matkal'. Their mission: to find and identify places used by, or likely to be used by, Iraqi Scud missile-launchers
http://www.janes.com/regional_news/africa_middle_east/news_briefs/fr020927_01.shtml


And as for help. Well while the U.S. didn’t invite Israel to help out overtly (for obvious reasons) it did help in a covert and in a technological way.

here is a article from the USA today about the technological aspect......

the U.S. military is permeated by technology developed in Israel — from the Army's Hunter drones to the targeting systems on the U.S. Marines' Harrier jets to the fuel tanks on its F-15 fighters.

"We'll be shooting down some (French) Mirage 3s, I think, if the Iraqis ever come up. We may shoot them with an Israeli missile, from a U.S. warplane," said Joel Johnson, spokesman for the Aerospace Industries Association, a Washington-based industry lobby.

It would be hard to find a modern military that manages without technology developed by the Jewish state's feisty industry. Israel emerged last year as the world's No. 3 arms and military services exporter — ahead of even Russia's massive arms industry, according to Jane's Defense Weekly.

That Israel's weaponry has found a place inside the mighty U.S. military points to the country's engineering prowess — and its status as a favorite ally, said Yiftah Shapir of the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies at Tel Aviv University.

The U.S.-Israeli friendship "helps to a certain extent, but when it comes to commercial competition, these sentiments are put aside," Shapir said. "These are highly advanced and the price is highly competitive."

Iraqi forces might be on the receiving end of Israeli technology in several scenarios.

A B-52 bomber could fire Popeye air-to-surface missiles — dubbed AGM-142 by the U.S. Air Force — at ground targets. The precision-guided Popeyes were designed by Rafael, a company partially owned by the government of Israel.

Israeli-designed Hunter unmanned aerial vehicles are in the service of the U.S. Army, and its cousin, the Pioneer, is being used by the U.S. Marines to scout Iraqi defenses. Both originated in the design labs of Israel Aircraft Industries, the country's largest private company.

The Hunter dropped anti-tank munitions in recent U.S. tests, and could be used alongside the Air Force's armed Predator missile-firing drone in a ground attack role.

Some of the Army's Bradley fighting vehicles are guided by on-board computers supplied by a subsidiary of Israel's Elbit Systems, Shapir said. U.S. troops riding in the Bradleys might also be protected by armor from Rafael, said Lova Drori, Rafael's director of international marketing.

Rafael is also the designer of the Litening Targeting Pods used to fire precision weapons from the Marines' AV-8B Harrier jet, as well as F-15s and F-16s flown by the Air Force Reserves and Army National Guard, Drori said.

Israel also makes or designs multiple rocket launchers, mortars, and laser target designators for the Army's Comanche helicopter and other components, Shapir said.

Much of the equipment is manufactured in the United States by subsidiaries of Israeli companies, or through joint ventures with U.S. weapons manufacturers.

According to Jane's, Israel made more than $3.5 billion in arms sales last year, roughly equal to Russia's massive arms export industry. Only the United States and Britain sold more, Jane's reported.

Other sources don't factor in Israel's exports of services — such as upgrades to tanks and fighter aircraft — and rank Israel as a smaller exporter. London's International Institute for Strategic Studies called Israel the world's No. 5 arms exporter last year.

Besides the United States, Israel's top customers include Turkey, India, Brazil, Canada and Germany. China used to be a major client, but Israel backed off after protests from the United States, Shapir and others said.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/world/iraq/2003-03-24-israel-tech_x.htm

[IDFM203]

probably sayeret shaldag (the only unit that really took out scud lunchers at gulf war 1) and sayeret matkal...

What, so that fact that the SAS took out scud launchers in the gulf war was just a joke?
as far as i know shaldag and maglan took scud lunchers without losses or having spotted by civilans...let me just add that yes the SAS did this also.

shalom :D