Real history of the Roman invasion of Gaulle

[wanderer]

Real history of the Roman invasion of Gaulle with historical and archaeological arguments and personal results of research. Does that interest? (before translation)

IMPORTANT
Les Celtes
ISBN:

édition Bompiani, Milano 1991, 795 pages, 305x215, Album de l'exposition "Les Celtes, première Europe", organisée par Le Palazzo Grassi.; Ouvrage exhaustif et détaillé, abondamment illustré de photographies représentant des lieux et des objets (la plupart en couleurs) et de cartes; couverture rigide toilée avec jaquette, le tout en bon état.
Sabatino Moscati - Les Celtes


http://jfbradu3.free.fr/celtes/les-celtes/bouclier.jpg

http://www.numismatpro.com/SiteBiz/Cartes/GauleAntiqueEtFamillesCeltes.jpg

[Trigger]

Nyet.

[wanderer]

Nyet.
You, if I catch you one day .....
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[OldRecon]

Real history of the Roman invasion of Gaulle with historical and archaeological arguments and personal results of research. Does that interest? (before translation)

Yes, please go ahead and translate.

In broad lines will it be something along the lines of 1/3rd of Gaulls where slaughtered, another 1/3rd enslaved, and what's left assimilated among Roman settlers?

"Roman civilization" is quite a household word, what's not so well known though is that the Roman empire as a force of occupation and subjugation of neighbouring peoples were most hideously brutal in ensuing the establishment of its domination over those peoples.

[wanderer]

Ok 1 or 2 week ;)

The Roman empire did not exist like one says it!
for example: In Belgium, at the 2nd century, one finds trace of Gallic/Germanic life. What is impossible in the Roman empire. Continuation with the translation ;)

This : http://www.terraburg.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=959
You understand-it ?

[mountainbear]

Ok 1 or 2 week

The Roman empire did not exist like one says it!
for example: In Belgium, at the 2nd century, one finds trace of Gallic/Germanic life. What is impossible in the Roman empire. Continuation with the translation
????????

This : http://www.terraburg.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=959
You understand-it ?
I understand what’s written but not what it has to do whit Roman Empire. You can post the story in French first if it is in French.
Are you l’Admin from this site?

"Roman civilization" is quite a household word, what's not so well known though is that the Roman empire as a force of occupation and subjugation of neighbouring peoples were most hideously brutal in ensuing the establishment of its domination over those peoples.
The only difference with the other surrounding civilizations was that the roman, most of time, used a planned brutality to achieve precise goals. That’s what we call civilized civilization.

[Clarsachier]

Ok 1 or 2 week ;)

The Roman empire did not exist like one says it!
for example: In Belgium, at the 2nd century, one finds trace of Gallic/Germanic life. What is impossible in the Roman empire. Continuation with the translation ;)

This : http://www.terraburg.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=959
You understand-it ?


G.J. Cesar's 'The Gallo Roman Wars' - the first 'WMD hunt'. :lol:

[kenshiroIT]

The Roman empire did not exist like one says it!


Are you saying the Roman empire is a myth?

[wanderer]

The Roman empire did not exist like one says it!


Are you saying the Roman empire is a myth?
No,
but the Roman empire was strongly exaggerated in modern times for questions of prestige, I suppose. There are archaeological facts which contradict the official blahblah of the historians .

[wanderer]

Real history of the Roman invasion of Gaulle with historical and archaeological arguments and personal results of research. Does that interest? (before translation)

Yes, please go ahead and translate.

In broad lines will it be something along the lines of 1/3rd of Gaulls where slaughtered, another 1/3rd enslaved, and what's left assimilated among Roman settlers?

"Roman civilization" is quite a household word, what's not so well known though is that the Roman empire as a force of occupation and subjugation of neighbouring peoples were most hideously brutal in ensuing the establishment of its domination over those peoples.

No, Not entirely and fortunately! It is Caius Julius (césar) which invaded Gaulle to pay his debts. Gaulle was populated relatively little. Like Amazonia to have an overall idea. The Scandinavian culture is of Gallic origin. Odin, etc also ..... The cauldron of Gundestrup too.

[wanderer]

Le chaudron de GUNDESTRUP

Voici une image du chef de tribu et de la représentation symbolique de sa position :

http://www.historicimpressions.com/GundestrupL.jpg

Les bois de cerf(KER) indique qu'il s'agit du chef de tribu. (Vatis)
Le torque(cercle) indique qu'il dirige le Cercle et qu'il est le lien qui lie la tribu. De de concept découlle le lien famillial qui est très fort dans les familles patriarcales. C'est un concept extrèmement important qui définit la position du Vatis, que l'on retrouve encore bien présent dans nos vieilles chaumières.
Le serpent indique que le Vatis est la double langue de la tribu, c'est-à-dire qu'il est la loi intemporelle et temporel. Très important aussi.
La symbolique est toujours en usage dans les chaumières ardennaises.

[kenshiroIT]

No,
but the Roman empire was strongly exaggerated in modern times for questions of prestige, I suppose. There are archaeological facts which contradict the official blahblah of the historians .

sounds interesting...but prestige for who? can you show me those facts?



The Scandinavian culture is of Gallic origin.

that sound new for me......proff?

[wanderer]

sounds interesting...but prestige for who? can you show me those facts?

that sound new for me......proff?

With regard to the Roman empire, there does not remain large thing of antiquity. And the recent discoveries indicates that the Romans were not really what one wanted to do to believe. With regard to the Scandinavian culture, it is visible that it is of Germanic origin (=gallic)
However, here, it there with the same culture. But this culture is the antique family culture which disappears slowly but alas surely.

It is certain that the Scandinavians were not the barbarians whom one wants to make believe! They were very cultivated but of a hard life. And they respected the women and the children! What disturbed the preachers who came from the Latin zone where the woman did not have any access in justice

[kenshiroIT]

With regard to the Roman empire, there does not remain large thing of antiquity. And the recent discoveries indicates that the Romans were not really what one wanted to do to believe.

Large streets and briges and some of them still in use are nothing? a large wal who cut Britain in half is nothing? I see.
But beside that, Wanderer, I like to see the facts. Not because I misthrust you, but I am a man who love to dig in search of treasures....an I know you are hiding some from me ;) .

With regard to the Scandinavian culture, it is visible that it is of Germanic origin (=gallic)


I didnt know the Gaul was Germans...


It is certain that the Scandinavians were not the barbarians whom one wants to make believe! They were very cultivated but of a hard life.

Who are the Barbarians? people who couldn talk Latin properly...with other words foreigners. Every people in the world could be ugly and fearsome as the common stereotype of a barbarian.
The skandinavic people....hmm there was more than one culture, witch one are you refering?


What disturbed the preachers who came from the Latin zone where the woman did not have any access in justice

Everything who wasnt Christian bothered them....not just the women. Just see how christianity expanded in the North..in the south and across the oceans.

[wanderer]

- Well, with regard to the barbarian concept: In the Romance zone, therefore catholic, the Scandinavians are still introduced like savages!

- Jules César himself lived close to a company with hydro-mechanical machines. The historians do not speak about it, and due, they do not understand or do not want to admit this fact which testify to Gallic technology. The Roman technique comes after the invasion from Gaulle. The Gallic ones have schools of engineers, not the Romans who regard manual work as degrading!

- advise you the book indicated in the first topic. a very interesting book of archaeologists in images. You must have a base in archaeology to be able to follow. Danish is unaware of the significance of the cauldron of Gundestrup. Will also know that germanic the Gaulle partition is especially a France-Germany partition. The Gallic ones and the German ones have the same language!! as many Jules césar that former old Latin and old Greek does not see any difference in the language of Gallic and the German ones !

- what is as certain is as the Gallic ones had developed a medicine very advances some over their time. One has to find a case with surgical instruments and vegetable pills - the women had a lunar calendar for the management of their cycles. What is not currently the case!

[wanderer]

Everything who wasnt Christian bothered them....not just the women. Just see how christianity expanded in the North..in the south and across the oceans.

Of course, but I speak in general. the subject is delicate and you have access to the official and only authorized versions. Europeans are not yet enough walls to call into question their past. To criticize the bible is a difficult exercise. But the writing of the bible with take place with the Middle Ages and has to integrate Gallic concepts. Do you know that the catholisism is the continuation of the Roman empire for the middle-class and religious class? All the catholic culture is impregnated Roman culture! the shock came with M.Luther which has to refuse in the Vatican and that is the beginning of the catholic partition/Lutheran and the different Franco-German one

[mountainbear]

Now I have some language difficulties.
It is true, the language of the Germanic and Celts that formed Europe in the last century before Christ are similar, same for the culture, but the Alamans, Gothts, Burgonde, Teutons, Franc (It’s in French, I don’t know how to call them in English) along whit the Huns that forms today’s Europe where not from same culture as the Celts.
Another thigh is that most of technologies that Rome “borrowed” from the Celts where taken after the -380 Gallic invasions and during the roman invasion of the Cisalpine Gaulle.
About the Christian religion, it was not even born when the Roman invaded the Gaulle (about -50).
Roman culture was closer to Celtic one then the Judaeo-Christian one until the 4th century when Christianity became State religion in Rome.

[wanderer]

Now I have some language difficulties.
It is true, the language of the Germanic and Celts that formed Europe in the last century before Christ are similar, same for the culture, but the Alamans, Gothts, Burgonde, Teutons, Franc (It’s in French, I don’t know how to call them in English) along whit the Huns that forms today’s Europe where not from same culture as the Celts.
Another thigh is that most of technologies that Rome “borrowed” from the Celts where taken after the -380 Gallic invasions and during the roman invasion of the Cisalpine Gaulle.
About the Christian religion, it was not even born when the Roman invaded the Gaulle (about -50).
Roman culture was closer to Celtic one then the Judaeo-Christian one until the 4th century when Christianity became State religion in Rome.

- Exact with regard to the religion. But you must understand that the Roman bourgoisy tries to have to preserve its statutes and not the religion really

- The Celtic word comes from Gallic word KELTA and is of recent use. Alleged mythology Celtic is especially a contemporary plot and harms the archaeological comprehension of the facts.
Words ARMORIK/GERMANIK/KELTA/BELGA indicates areas and not people!

- The francs, burgondes and others speak the Germanic one but the French language at summer damaged by people about the Romance city after 1500 (Luther) Burg - > Bourg, even pronunciation .

Read the topic the letters ABCDe....

[wanderer]

It is true, the language of the Germanic and Celts that formed Europe in the last century

There is no difference in language at the Gallic ones and germanik noted and the ancient words indicates that the Gallic bottom and germanik are similar.
It is the politic which wants a difference!
Gallic comes from wal, which is like wald (forest), it is the name of the Gallic one. wal - > in Latin Gall.
Waelsung(ge) comes from wal (gallic)
The EBURONe (BELGA) are german type and speak the same language !
(from caius julius detritus (cesar))

[mountainbear]

In my mind the Gallic/Celts had a huge civilisation, whit its own culture, from Northern Italy to Denmark and from British Islands to Turkey but they never had a unified empire.
The Romans them started as a little civilisation borrowing a lot from other cultures and civilisations, but they managed to unify everyone around them and built a huge multicultural empire.
For the language origins, it is very difficult to know exactly how it was going in this time. Think of English or French you get a huge melting-pot of origins, who can tell exactly witch word come from where and when, and this is an actual language.

[kenshiroIT]

About religion, Catholicism, it came long time after Cesar and it has less than nothing to do with the Religio Pvblica, the roman quiritian religion.
But romans about religions and traditions they was wery tollerant, and usually they didnt try to delete the local cultures. As a fact in Rome there was lot of religions. And the conquered people could preserve they old traditions, but they have to accept the roman presence on the land.

Usually historicians base there assumption on facts, if there are evidence enough they will build teories and make studies.

but do you have some proff? I read lot of interesting stuff but no facts.
You wrothe about some archaelogical facts? where are they?
Give me some names, some locations, something!!!!

[wanderer]

In my mind the Gallic/Celts had a huge civilisation, whit its own culture, from Northern Italy to Denmark and from British Islands to Turkey but they never had a unified empire.
The Romans them started as a little civilisation borrowing a lot from other cultures and civilisations, but they managed to unify everyone around them and built a huge multicultural empire.
For the language origins, it is very difficult to know exactly how it was going in this time. Think of English or French you get a huge melting-pot of origins, who can tell exactly witch word come from where and when, and this is an actual language.
Excellent !

It is possible to reconstitute the Gallic language from the very close country dialects! Replace the word celt by the word real gallic and you will understand better!
I do not use the word celt which is a recent "invention"

[wanderer]

You wrothe about some archaelogical facts? where are they?
Give me some names, some locations, something!!!!

Look this book firts :
IMPORTANT
Quote:
Les Celtes
ISBN:

édition Bompiani, Milano 1991, 795 pages, 305x215, Album de l'exposition "Les Celtes, première Europe", organisée par Le Palazzo Grassi.; Ouvrage exhaustif et détaillé, abondamment illustré de photographies représentant des lieux et des objets (la plupart en couleurs) et de cartes; couverture rigide toilée avec jaquette, le tout en bon état.
- Les Celtes

It is about a book which summarizes archaeological research in Europe by much of archaeologists. the book contains very interesting images of all Europe and the site of places.

[kenshiroIT]

I give it a look......