Lets see the firearm collection.....

[Kilo1-1]

Built an Arms-lever QD mount for the Mino HD.
Having some fun, hehe

Very nice, Sanchez!
sweet and light.
:D

Nice, can you give us a pic of the mount and camera? I'm thinking of doing something like this (but camera forward) for future carbine matches I do.

[He219]

Nice, can you give us a pic of the mount and camera? I'm thinking of doing something like this (but camera forward) for future carbine matches I do.
It's totally adjustable .. any direction, any time.
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2660/dsc03100j.th.jpg
patent pending
;)

[Kilo1-1]

It's totally adjustable .. any direction, any time.

The rigid shaft is interchangeable with a flex mount.

patent pending
;)

Very interesting design, thanks for the pics, I appreciate it. :)

[Frens]

mmm...I have a spare ADM ACOG mount somewhere....I'll try making my own camera mount as well

[BLUE THOR]

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Top: AIA M10 B2 Match (7.62 x 51 NATO) - Harris Bipod, Apen Apex 4030 39 x 4.2 Scope (does the job for now) Bit of a SMLE/M14 hybrid. got it dialled right in, bloody accurate and consistent, but took a bit to fire in the weapon and make it run smooth (plus the only N/D I have ever done in my life - It fired after I hit the bolt handle with the palm of my hand as it siezed up on the second round while locking. not an aimed shot at all!! ) Has 7 kills to its name so far (1 x red deer, 6 roos, all tasty)

Bottom: My baby, 1930 Lithgow SMLE No.1 Mk 3. (Rule .303 - for all the Aussies) All serial numbers match and in original stock. Saw War service and limited use - the recoil on it turns me on p-)
shoots bloody accurate too! 3 foxes to its credit, one in low light at night, plus a couple of roos.
so far.

[gaijinsamurai]

Those are really nice rifles, Blue Thor.

[Sneeker]

Well I finally did it and I am in the process of owning a Para Ord Nite Tac.

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Just bought some new grips from VZ grips. I got the G10 Aliens in black with Mag release thumb notch. I also bought some of that grip tap for the front of the grip. I just hope the hardware works from my other grips.

http://www.vzgrips.com/index.php/component/virtuemart/?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_new.tpl&product_id=51&category_id=18

Any one have any experience with MILITEC-1 gun lube and there grease? Just ordered some over VZ and just wondering if there is anything I should know that they don't tell people on the interweb.

[H2O MAN]

A new picture of 4 of my modernized M14s.

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[DeltaWhisky58]

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Top: AIA M10 B2 Match (7.62 x 51 NATO) - Harris Bipod, Apen Apex 4030 39 x 4.2 Scope (does the job for now) Bit of a SMLE/M14 hybrid. got it dialled right in, bloody accurate and consistent, but took a bit to fire in the weapon and make it run smooth (plus the only N/D I have ever done in my life - It fired after I hit the bolt handle with the palm of my hand as it siezed up on the second round while locking. not an aimed shot at all!! ) Has 7 kills to its name so far (1 x red deer, 6 roos, all tasty)

I like the look of that M10 - just how accurate is it - free floating barrel? What are you putting through it, handloads or factory? I love my Sauer .308 rifle, but I have no experience of The M10 - apart from about 100rds of Lapua sniper ammo, I have put nothing but handloads through my rifle since new (usually 150gr Nosler BT, 45.5grs of RL12, LR primer, Lapua case).

[wild_wild_wes]

This just in....

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii173/USPx4/UB3-12.jpg

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii173/USPx4/UB3-15.jpg

Barrel is the Centurion Arms 16" cold hammer forged midlength midweight heavy duty chrome lined barrel (MG spec; 2X thich chrome lining).

I wonder if this rifle could benefit from the new Vltor A5 buffer tube....

[He219]

This just in....

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii173/USPx4/UB3-12.jpg

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii173/USPx4/UB3-15.jpg

Barrel is the Centurion Arms 16" cold hammer forged midlength midweight heavy duty chrome lined barrel (MG spec; 2X thich chrome lining).

I wonder if this rifle could benefit from the new Vltor A5 buffer tube....
Bitchin' setup, wes!

I just got one from Centurion too, using a VIS3 ..
Cheers!

[whoreable]

New Eotech 512

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8412/18619101.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/5205/eo2x.jpg
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2885/eo3i.jpg
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8425/eo4r.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/532/eo5h.jpg
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2540/eo6.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8011/eo7.jpg

[Engine Mech]

I just got four more guns, now the cabinet is full. Two of the rifles were given to me. They are 303 No4 MK1* cut down and are only suitable for projects or spares. From my brother i got a 1901 303 sporterised with a worn barrel and a nice side mounted scope rail. Another future restoration project. Also i got an Ivor Johnson single barrel 12Ga shotgun in almost mint condition. This will be used for shooting black powder. I just got the catalogue for the next Wellington Antique arms Auction. For more info check out www.nzaaawgtn.org.nz (http://www.nzaaawgtn.org.nz) , I hope the link works.

[rhino]

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Bottom: My baby, 1930 Lithgow SMLE No.1 Mk 3. (Rule .303 - for all the Aussies) All serial numbers match and in original stock. Saw War service and limited use - the recoil on it turns me on p-)
shoots bloody accurate too! 3 foxes to its credit, one in low light at night, plus a couple of roos.
so far.

what recoil??:) nice rifle that nr1mkIII, how much are the M10s in your parts of the world?
did anyone else noticed that .303 sounds more like a loud "pffft" than a "bang"???

[Seiran]

This just in....

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii173/USPx4/UB3-12.jpg

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii173/USPx4/UB3-15.jpg

Barrel is the Centurion Arms 16" cold hammer forged midlength midweight heavy duty chrome lined barrel (MG spec; 2X thich chrome lining).

I wonder if this rifle could benefit from the new Vltor A5 buffer tube....

That looks familiar. Poster on ARFcom? <And nice rifle mate. Very nice.>

[gaijinsamurai]

I just got back from the Oregon Fal Files Chapter annual rifle/pistol match. I ended up using my Belgian/DSA FAL, Enfield No.4, Glock 22, and AK-74. A good time.

[gafkiwi]

I just got back from the Oregon Fal Files Chapter annual rifle/pistol match. I ended up using my Belgian/DSA FAL, Enfield No.4, Glock 22, and AK-74. A good time.
I gotta book a range and let the SLR and Vepr out to stretch their legs, they are probley feelin a little unloved at the moment. No excuse really when there a 3 ranges to choose from at work a 100, 300 and a 600m(900 with clearance). Still need to get a bullet guide for the Vepr to function 100%, anyone have much experiance with these. Apart from that its a pretty nice 74 look alike in black.

[T3ngu]

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Top: AIA M10 B2 Match (7.62 x 51 NATO) - Harris Bipod, Apen Apex 4030 39 x 4.2 Scope (does the job for now) Bit of a SMLE/M14 hybrid. got it dialled right in, bloody accurate and consistent, but took a bit to fire in the weapon and make it run smooth (plus the only N/D I have ever done in my life - It fired after I hit the bolt handle with the palm of my hand as it siezed up on the second round while locking. not an aimed shot at all!! ) Has 7 kills to its name so far (1 x red deer, 6 roos, all tasty)

Bottom: My baby, 1930 Lithgow SMLE No.1 Mk 3. (Rule .303 - for all the Aussies) All serial numbers match and in original stock. Saw War service and limited use - the recoil on it turns me on p-)
shoots bloody accurate too! 3 foxes to its credit, one in low light at night, plus a couple of roos.
so far.
So you like the AIA then. I have been watching the company for years, but never found anyone who actually owns one.

Heres a tip, never own up to shooting roos on a place where your IP is known, i dont want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but hey, you never know. Rumour is roos can be taken down from .22lr up. Number 4's also work well :p

[wild_wild_wes]

That looks familiar. Poster on ARFcom? <And nice rifle mate. Very nice.>

Thanks! Yes, I posted it on ARF too. I'm so pleased with it!

[Roy Batty]

The wife just procured me a Russian Tula SKS for a father's day gift.....should arrive in a few days.

[gaijinsamurai]

^ I hate you.

[Roy Batty]

Hey at least it's not a Norc.... ;)

Pics to follow...lol

[gaijinsamurai]

Actually, I'm happy for you, Roy! Honest. :)
I shouldn't bitch, as I have a 55 Tula.


The more I think about it, I believe a decent SKS w/ stock iron sights would have done very well at yesterday's rifle matches. The distance wasn't so far away that optics or free-floating barrels w/ match-grade ammo would have been required, and all that would have been necessary was a rifle that fired with reasonable accuracy and semi-auto speed. Simplicity is good.

[Roy Batty]

Yah. I have to decide what to do with this one. I'm tempted to put a Tapco T6 on her....but I'll see what kind of shape she's in when she arrives.

[gaijinsamurai]

Fvck that, Roy. Keep her in her original condition. Don't ruin her with Tapco/UTG crap!

[Bacon]

Fvck that, Roy. Keep her in her original condition. Don't ruin her with Tapco/UTG crap!

X2, leave the SKS as is.

[Cougar79]

After duracoating ;)

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[OMON]

for concealed carry?

[Cougar79]

for concealed carry?
yep, my off duty carry gun

[Henry's Fork]

Like Bacon and Gai said, word is bond. Leave er be*. Was playing with one of my Tulas today....could never make em look cheap and slutty. Its bad enuff to slap a 30 round mag on them. ;)

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9585/p6220508.jpg


*a few of the R_Str0ng1!1 crew can get away with pimpin their SKS's tho...tee hee

[gaijinsamurai]

Nice, ComBloc duo, Fork!

[H2O MAN]

127098



(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4ylcVGM9lw)
20 rounds fired = 20 exit holes.
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[gaijinsamurai]

Nice, H2O Man!

[Sneeker]

Awsome stuff guys!

[Kilo1-1]

After duracoating ;)

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Turned out great. I love how those Walthers are slim for CCW'ing, but they were just a little above my budget for a CCW gun.


Like Bacon and Gai said, word is bond. Leave er be*. Was playing with one of my Tulas today....could never make em look cheap and slutty. Its bad enuff to slap a 30 round mag on them. ;)

*a few of the R_Str0ng1!1 crew can get away with pimpin their SKS's tho...tee hee
Beautiful stock, looks like the rifle's in good condition.


127098
20 rounds fired = 20 exit holes.
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Nice configuration, must be heavier with the extra parts on there though.
If i remembered right, it's a YHM can on there right?

[H2O MAN]

Nice configuration, must be heavier with the extra parts on there though.
If i remembered right, it's a YHM can on there right?

The can is SEI's M14DC and the AK is lighter than my lightest MK14 :)

[Jippo]

AK's in 7.62 are really fun guns suppressed. They will cycle effortlessly, and stabilise even extremely heavy bullets. I have used 200gr bullets with good results.

[Kilo1-1]

The can is SEI's M14DC and the AK is lighter than my lightest MK14 :)


Haha, true.
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Pic thread:
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/5568/sideangle870.jpg

[NZPumpkin]

whats with the tape, why dont you just use / move the sling swivel to where you want it?

[Kilo1-1]

whats with the tape, why dont you just use / move the sling swivel to where you want it?

I don't have a rear swing sivel for the stud on the bottom of the stock. The sling is looped around the stock. It'll twist (the sling) if rotates around the stock, so the tape keeps it in place.

This configuration works pretty well, I've shot the 870 slung a few times and didn't have any issues yet.

[Henry's Fork]

Beautiful stock, looks like the rifle's in good condition.


Thanks, only shot this Tula a few times and i do most of my SKS shooting through my Izhevsk. Got all my SKS's new back in the early 90's,iirc, alot of good wood and deals going round back then. I scoffed at what a friend just payed for a beater yugo a while back.

Not a bad looking 870 job you did there.

Nice can on the AK h2o, the ammo in my SKS is some east German sub sonic "spaznuts KGB ammo" as the guy at the gun show claimed. Almost no recoil at all and fun to shoot.

[gaijinsamurai]

I've been a fan of the SKS ever since I had my Chicom Norinco back in the late 80's. Sure, some people scoff at them because they feed off 10-rd stripper clips and every trailer park, ghetto, and police evidence locker has a couple of Tapco'd-out ones, but they are great rifles. Reasonably accurate, reliable, easy to handle well, they are great all-around guns.

[TacoDelRio]

You've been a fan of the SKS ever since you voted for Clinton.

[Roy Batty]

Man.....Mine isn't here yet :(............Stop talking about them. You guys are killing me....lol

[Hollis]

Man.....Mine isn't here yet :(............Stop talking about them. You guys are killing me....lol


If you where near me, I would let you fondle one of my SKSs, :) (both are pre-pre ban Chicoms. )

[Roy Batty]

We have a zillion Norincos up here........I bought a Tula because they were on sale at a great price.

[gaijinsamurai]

You've been a fan of the SKS ever since you voted for Clinton.

I never voted for either Clinton!

Oh, wait.....I think i voted for Bill when he ran for re-election against Bob Dole.

[Roy Batty]

I never voted for either Clinton!

Oh, wait.....I think i voted for Bill when he ran for re-election against Bob Dole.

Jebus. A retarted monkey could have run against Dole and won.....lol

[gaijinsamurai]

I regret selling my Norinco. I took a snobbish attitude towards it when i acquired my '55 Tula, and was hard-up for money. I'm still trying to get my dad to sell me his, but I don't think he's interested.

[gaijinsamurai]

Jebus. A retarted monkey could have run against Dole and won.....lol

part of me felt kinda bad for Dole. He was just old and worn out...then I read how much money he accumulated during his years as a senator, and not all that money was from his nice salary.

[Roy Batty]

I have to say that I'm glad as hell that we have the option of Norc's up here. I use some real high priced pieces of steel at work but I can't afford the same for my house. The Norcs give me the chance to teach my wife to shoot without going broke......and they make really good M-14s (as hard as it is to admit....lol)

[gaijinsamurai]

......and they make really good M-14s ....lol)

Blasphemy!!!!!
They'll go to hell for those 1911A1s too!


:)

[NZPumpkin]

Some of the toys, just picked up the two AK's this morning, can't wait for the weekend to go and try them out :)

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8554/dsc00788j.jpg (http://img269.imageshack.us/i/dsc00788j.jpg/)
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/6380/dsc00790y.jpg (http://img526.imageshack.us/i/dsc00790y.jpg/)
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9669/dsc00789k.jpg (http://img443.imageshack.us/i/dsc00789k.jpg/)
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8405/dsc00787za.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/dsc00787za.jpg/)
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8569/dsc00786f.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/dsc00786f.jpg/)
3 gun rifle (14.5")
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9587/dsc00784bd.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/i/dsc00784bd.jpg/)
M4orgery 14.5"
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9775/dsc00782.jpg (http://img713.imageshack.us/i/dsc00782.jpg/)

[T3ngu]

Bloody nuu zuuland.

Now that i have said that, nice!

[Bro Jangles]

nice gats!

i got real bored so i made this,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-33N46xLcR4

[NZPumpkin]

Bloody nuu zuuland.

Now that i have said that, nice!

haha sucks to be on the wrong side of the ditch :P

[NZPumpkin]

nice gats!

i got real bored so i made this,

how many tries before you got the AK mag change sorted?

[Bro Jangles]

4 that day, which is wierd, normally its down pat.

[gaijinsamurai]

Love your ARs NZPumpkin! Those AKs too.

Nice Vid, BJ/BigWillie2004!

[Bro Jangles]

hop by the MP bar. they all know my Real name now.. dun dun dun....

[Soldat_Américain]

Hey Pumpkin...interesting M14, where'd you find that kit?

[H2O MAN]

Hey Pumpkin...interesting M14, where'd you find that kit?

I'm not Pumpkin, but that's a TROY M14 MCS (http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=162244&Number=1877776#Post1877776)

[Soldat_Américain]

Thanks Water Man. That and the Bullpup would make a cool collection.

[NZPumpkin]

As H2O man said, its a Troy MCS, and living where i do (New Zealand) it was rather difficult to get - as far as i know i have the only one in my country.

I really like the chassis, however it is rather heavy, and seeing as i haven't been able to afford a Springfield, its only got a cheap and crappy Norinco clone in there at the moment.

[H2O MAN]

...and seeing as i haven't been able to afford a Springfield, its only got a cheap and crappy Norinco clone in there at the moment.

Even though they sometimes need an upgrade here and there, that 'crappy' Norinco M14 is an excellent rifle ... I prefer them over M1As.

[NZPumpkin]

Love your ARs NZPumpkin! Those AKs too.

Nice Vid, BJ/BigWillie2004!

Thanks Garjin,

Its hard to have these where i live, we need special restricted weapons licenses and have to get a permit for each and every firearm which falls into the restricted range.

however we are lucky in that we dont need anything to have 14.5" barrels, as in fact as long as we keep the overall lenght over 762mm we can have whatever barrel length we like :)

[NZPumpkin]

Even though they sometimes need an upgrade here and there, that 'crappy' Norinco M14 is an excellent rifle ... I prefer them over M1As.

ill send you a couple of brand new norincos if you send me one springfield :)

[gaijinsamurai]

Thanks Garjin,

Its hard to have these where i live, we need special restricted weapons licenses and have to get a permit for each and every firearm which falls into the restricted range.

however we are lucky in that we dont need anything to have 14.5" barrels, as in fact as long as we keep the overall lenght over 762mm we can have whatever barrel length we like :)

I've heard from others on this thread how difficult it is for you all in Kiwiland. But, at least you have the ability to own them, however expensive and troublesome they may be to obtain.

[Bro Jangles]

not my vid.... but ... DAMN!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqJJeCjFtJQ&feature=related

[ophicvs]

..............................................
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/273/losniches.jpg

[Bro Jangles]

hot DAMN!!!

[gaijinsamurai]

^ Nice!

Someday, I'd like to have a room with a vault/safe-type door, in which I can display my collection like that.

[gaijinsamurai]

I want one of these:

http://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail.aspx?itemno=BTRH92-51121&mfg=Rossi&family=Rossi+Rifle+Series&model=Model+92+Ranch+Hand

[Chulo]

..............................................
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/273/losniches.jpg
Hehehe.. I like your 995 ... Have one, and its great fun to shoot

[ophicvs]

Hehehe.. I like your 995 ... Have one, and its great fun to shoot

man... is one of my fav's for plinking, surprisingly accurate........

[Createdeemcee]

Hey Gaij hope all is well bud. One question. Is that barrell length legal?

[CPLHUNTER]

I want one of these:

http://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail.aspx?itemno=BTRH92-51121&mfg=Rossi&family=Rossi+Rifle+Series&model=Model+92+Ranch+Hand

Yeah those are sweet, like in the Steve Mcqueen movies...are they considering SBR? I can't remember, but I don't think so...

[gaijinsamurai]

Createdeemcee and CPlHunter, it's considered a PISTOL, so yes, it's legal!

[CPLHUNTER]

Awesome, my dad will love this for Christmas

[gaijinsamurai]

Can I be your daddy on Christmas?

[Laconian]

I want one of these:

http://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail.aspx?itemno=BTRH92-51121&mfg=Rossi&family=Rossi+Rifle+Series&model=Model+92+Ranch+Hand

Yes, very sexy. Would be very cool at a Western match.

[gaijinsamurai]

It's one of those guns that is impractical, but has a very high "cool" factor! :)

[Laconian]

I am usually not a fan of pistol variants made from rifles. This one and the Universal Enforcer are the two exceptions.

[gaijinsamurai]

Is the Universal Enforcer the M1 Carbine pistol?

[Laconian]

Is the Universal Enforcer the M1 Carbine pistol?

Yup. My other exception is the Ithaca Auto Burglar, a small pistol gripped, side by side, 12 gage. Both were serious bad mammajammas.

[Fintin]

I want one of these:

http://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail.aspx?itemno=BTRH92-51121&mfg=Rossi&family=Rossi+Rifle+Series&model=Model+92+Ranch+Hand


I am pretty sure that would get you zombie kill of the week...

[gaijinsamurai]

^
That's kinda what I was thinking when i saw it. I can picture Woody Harrelson using one in "Zombieland II" or Kurt Russell weilding one in "Escape from Detroit".

[Kilo1-1]

That thing is awesome. I actually kinda want one.

[mrmojorisin124]

I recently inherited a Winchester 1894 from my grandfather. Its a bit of a longer barrel but I must say its a great gun and there is nothing better than popping off some rounds with a lever action. It makes me feel like I'm in The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. And I would be lying if I said I haven't printed off a few zombie targets to shoot at.

[gaijinsamurai]

If nothing else, the Winchester 94 looks great. I've got one that was manufactured in 1957, and although it's pretty much a safe queen, I love it.

[He219]

Yup. My other exception is the Ithaca Auto Burglar, a small pistol gripped, side by side, 12 gage. Both were serious bad mammajammas.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/MTC29/Long%20Guns/AutoBurglar.jpg
Dayum! I wonder how that's on the wrist ...

[Alpha-17]

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m275/Alpha-17/Real%20Steel/061.jpg

My latest, finally decided to spend the rest of my Haitian Vacation money, tax return, etc and buy a two grand paper weight. Notice the **** eating grin on my face. More pics and a brief range report will come tomorrow.

[gaijinsamurai]

Fvck'n-A!!!! Nice, Alpha!!!! If you ever get tired of it, just let me know, and I'll send you my address! ;)

[Dodderynut]

Wow, very funny you posted that. I was just getting done looking at what a SCAR goes for these days in the civilian market.

[yydebox1]

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(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4ylcVGM9lw)
20 rounds fired = 20 exit holes.
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Your gun looks like Made In China,could you post more detail pix of it?Thank you !

[Fireball Sanchez]

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m275/Alpha-17/Real%20Steel/061.jpg


I don't LIKE YOU

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7632/squinty500h.png


Naw, that thing is awesome! Now.... chop the barrel, CHOP THE BARREL! Do it!

[Ali Baba]

^ Dont you dare do that to your rifle, do you want somone to chop of YOUR barrel? thought so, this rifle did not do anything to deserve that molestation.

[Soldat_Américain]

I don't LIKE YOU

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7632/squinty500h.png


Naw, that thing is awesome! Now.... chop the barrel, CHOP THE BARREL! Do it!


No need to chop it Dirty Sanchez...just buy the shorter barrel from FN USA :)

[Fireball Sanchez]

No need to chop it Dirty Sanchez...just buy the shorter barrel from FN USA :)

not available amigo, might never be either. I don't claim to know the whole story, but as of right now, 10" barrels are not available for the SCAR. There are pics floating around of some who have gotten their barrels turned down on their own and they are pure bad ass. I'm pretty sure Alpha has seen those pics and knows what he should do :-)

Oh and Ali baba... " molestation"? really? seriously? Don't put the pussy on a pedestal.

[junglejim]

Is it just me or is that flash hider kinda tilting up? Just messin

[Commander Shepard]

No need to chop it Dirty Sanchez...just buy the shorter barrel from FN USA :)

I'll take that as your way of being sarcastic. ;-) FN USA does not offer replacement 16" barrels as of right now, let alone SBR barrels. In fact you can't even get spare parts for the SCAR, and these two points are keeping a pretty significant number of people from buying one.


Here's my DPMS LR308 in its current form. The stuff thats not obvious to the ***** eye: 16" WOA 1:10 match grade stainless steel barrel, Geissele 2-stage non adjustable trigger, VLTOR low profile clamp-on gas block (drilled and pinned by ADCO firearms). Lower is a stripped DPMS one I got last year, upper and BCG from Fulton Armory, DD 12" rail.

I'm paranoid when it comes to AR clamp-on gas blocks, since if it works itself loose you're stuck with a single shot weapon. I sent it in to ADCO firearms and for a small fee they drilled the block and barrel and drove in a pin, thus making the setup pretty much bomb-proof.

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/Edited.jpg

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/Edited4.jpg

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/Edited3-1.jpg

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/Edited2.jpg

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/Edited6.jpg

Here you can see the pin I was talking about between the two clamp screws:

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/Edited5.jpg

And a video from the target's POV at 300 yards:

http://www.youtube.com/v/DwO0Jv_NBdg

[junglejim]

Chief, is the difference between the .308 vs the .223/5.56 lower just the magwell?

[Soldat_Américain]

I haven't even looked into it, so that's info I didn't know. That sucks, but still, don't cut that down.

[Commander Shepard]

Chief, is the difference between the .308 vs the .223/5.56 lower just the magwell?

If you're talking about the SCAR, then no thats not the only difference. The entire upper receiver assembly (which on the SCAR is the registered item) is different. There's talk of FN coming up with a "common" receiver of sorts which would basically entail a magwell assembly sized to take 5.56mm magazines, bolt/bolt carrier/spring and barrel kit which would allow one to turn their SCAR-H into a 5.56mm weapon.


I haven't even looked into it, so that's info I didn't know. That sucks, but still, don't cut that down.

I agree with your recommendation. First, several people who've had theirs cut (by reputable smiths I might add) have had their chrome lining chip away at the muzzle, which completely wrecked the accuracy. Combined with a lack of spare barrels this means they now have a $2k paper weight for anything past 50m.

Second, different barrel lengths on the SCAR come with different size inserts inside the gas block. That is to say the hole inside that threaded insert varies in diameter by barrel length. As of right now no one has come up with solid numbers on what that diameter is supposed to be for anything other than the 16" factory barrel. If you increase it without knowing how large its supposed to be while also cutting the barrel, you'll probably end up with either an overgassed or an undergassed rifle (either way its bad).

So yeah, don't cut the barrel.

[junglejim]

I am talking about the KR. I know the upper is different, in my neck of the woods I can get a.308 upper no problem, its the lower thats a pain, so if its just the magwell, I can easily have that manufactured.

[CPLHUNTER]

If nothing else, the Winchester 94 looks great. I've got one that was manufactured in 1957, and although it's pretty much a safe queen, I love it.

I couldn't agree more, I never heard of that kinda rifle/pistol until my dad shared his Steve Mcqueen movies and series with me...

I think the series was Dead or Alive

[Laconian]

I couldn't agree more, I never heard of that kinda rifle/pistol until my dad shared his Steve Mcqueen movies and series with me...

I think the series was Dead or Alive

He played bounty hunter Josh Randall, the series was Wanted: Dead or Alive. Some more useless trivia: in the 1987 B-movie of the same name, Rutger Hauer played Nick Randall, Josh's supposed grandson and Gene Simmons (KISS) played the bad guy.

[gaijinsamurai]

^
I remember that cheesy movie. I watched it at the theater in Jacksonville, NC, off-base from Camp Lejeune.

IIRC, McQueen called his shootin iron his "mare's leg", or something like that.

[Alpha-17]

Naw, that thing is awesome! Now.... chop the barrel, CHOP THE BARREL! Do it!

I ain't chopping **** down. I actually like the looks of the SCAR with the slightly longer barrels. I've seen some of the short barrel SCARs, but not too impressed. I'll wait for FN to release one I can change myself, and if they don't, it won't worry me too bad. 'sides, even with the stock fully extended, its only a few inches longer than an M4, and with it retracted and folded, it gets short real fast hurry.

[Flummox]

Here's my little collection:
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/4519/dscn0946.jpg
-On top SIG SG550
-Crappy Chinese AK (5.56mm)
Pistols from left to right:
-USP tactical 9mm
-P220 .45
-P228 9mm
-Parabellum 7.65mm

[gaijinsamurai]

Nice collection, Fummox. You've got the basics:

.223-check
AK-check
9mm-check
.45 ACP-check
WWII classic-check!

[gaijinsamurai]

btw: those 'crappy" Chicom AKs actually have a pretty good reputation amongst Kalashnikov connosseurs (however you spell that French word!:)). Sure, those who think "the only real AKs come from Russia" turn their noses up at them, but for us proletariates, they're very good rifles, and though underrated, will fetch premium dollars from collectors! I sh!t you not!

[junglejim]

btw: those 'crappy" Chicom AKs actually have a pretty good reputation amongst Kalashnikov connosseurs (however you spell that French word!:)). Sure, those who think "the only real AKs come from Russia" turn their noses up at them, but for us proletariates, they're very good rifles, and though underrated, will fetch premium dollars from collectors! I sh!t you not!

Didnt know that and to think here in the Philippines we usually dont think about getting those full auto capable Type 56's.

[NZPumpkin]

Didnt know that and to think here in the Philippines we usually dont think about getting those full auto capable Type 56's.

You can get a full auto 56s?

why dont you have loooootttts of these!?

dont suppose you want to send me a bolt group and trigger group for a 56s do you ^_^

[wild_wild_wes]

I'm paranoid when it comes to AR clamp-on gas blocks, since if it works itself loose you're stuck with a single shot weapon. I sent it in to ADCO firearms and for a small fee they drilled the block and barrel and drove in a pin, thus making the setup pretty much bomb-proof.


Wisdom.

Oh, and ADCO rocks!

[wild_wild_wes]

btw: those 'crappy" Chicom AKs actually have a pretty good reputation amongst Kalashnikov connosseurs (however you spell that French word!:)). Sure, those who think "the only real AKs come from Russia" turn their noses up at them, but for us proletariates, they're very good rifles, and though underrated, will fetch premium dollars from collectors! I sh!t you not!

I have one of those (dressed up a bit now), and it is the most accurate AK I've ever owned. NORINCO 84S.

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii173/USPx4/84S.jpg

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BTW, nice avatar, gaijin! Here's mine:

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii173/USPx4/Picture.jpg

I'm the one in green.

FunFact --> My SDI, SSGT Estrada (in the center of the pic), went on to become Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps!

[Victory]

Yay Krylon.

127570

To you internet wanna'-be-cops out there, yes, those magazine parts are 100% legal to own in California. :slap:

If you put them together, though, that's when they become illegal.

-Vic

Edit to clarify: There aren't any baseplates on the magazines. The black portion on the bottom is where they were taped off.

[NZPumpkin]

Yay Krylon.

127570

To you internet wanna'-be-cops out there, yes, those magazine parts are 100% legal to own in California. :slap:

If you put them together, though, that's when they become illegal.

-Vic

its illegal to put ranger bases on your mags????

[Wake27]

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2161/img1497u.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/i/img1497u.jpg/)

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8699/img1498u.jpg (http://img340.imageshack.us/i/img1498u.jpg/)

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/997/img1499s.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/i/img1499s.jpg/)

S&W M&P 15-22 MOE. Picked up last Friday, took it to the range last Saturday. Awesome fun to shoot. First firearm of mine. My dad's older-school Colt 1911 and S&W 500 went too, along with a friends Bushmaster AR15. First time firing any of them, I love the 1911, knew I would.

[Victory]

its illegal to put ranger bases on your mags????

Yeah, I guess I should provide a bit of background after my disclaimer.

Magazines that have a 11+ round capacity that are not owned before the "high capacity magazine" ban are illegal to own in California. (The ban took place in 2000, iirc.) You can, however, own "high capacity" magazine parts, that you can use to rebuild preban or 10/30, 10/20 mags, or you can keep them around to assemble out of state. You have to disassemble them prior to reentering California, though, but only if you intend to use them as rebuild parts while in California.

What you see in the pic are the mag bodies, the dust covers, and the ranger plates. Could I install a ranger plate onto a mag body? Sounds like a grey area to me. While there isn't a spring or follower in the mag, if you were to hold the gun upside down with 11+ rounds in the body of the mag, and if you could chamber one round, technically, from my understanding, that would make it a high capacity magazine. I could be wrong, though.

I keep all the different parts separated in different drawers in an organizer thing in my safe. If one of my 10 round mags needs a new follower, I have the parts ready to go. Or, if I go shooting out of state, I can take the parts with me, and I'll be ready to rock with 30 round mags outside of California.

TL,DR: California's firearm laws are total BS.

-Vic

(Another disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer. The above is not legal advice. Etc. p-))

[gaijinsamurai]

I have one of those (dressed up a bit now), and it is the most accurate AK I've ever owned. NORINCO 84S.

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii173/USPx4/84S.jpg

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BTW, nice avatar, gaijin! Here's mine:

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii173/USPx4/Picture.jpg

I'm the one in green.

FunFact --> My SDI, SSGT Estrada (in the center of the pic), went on to become Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps!

Cool,Wes. I didn't know you were a Devil Dog, Dawg.
Is that 1983? Looks like you were two years ahead of me. I went to MCRD in November 1985, but was recycled due to a very bad case of cellulitis during RFTD at Camp Pendleton.
Nice AK!

[Alpha-17]

First, the eye candy:
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m275/Alpha-17/Real%20Steel/SCARRangeShoot040.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m275/Alpha-17/Real%20Steel/SCARRangeShoot049.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m275/Alpha-17/Real%20Steel/SCARRangeShoot047.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m275/Alpha-17/Real%20Steel/SCARRangeShoot042.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m275/Alpha-17/Real%20Steel/SCARRangeShoot046.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m275/Alpha-17/Real%20Steel/SCARRangeShoot043.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m275/Alpha-17/Real%20Steel/SCARRangeShoot044.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m275/Alpha-17/Real%20Steel/SCARRangeShoot069.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m275/Alpha-17/Real%20Steel/SCARRangeShoot067.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m275/Alpha-17/Real%20Steel/SCARRangeShoot061.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m275/Alpha-17/Real%20Steel/SCARRangeShoot051.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m275/Alpha-17/Real%20Steel/SCARRangeShoot050.jpg

Now, the report:

First impressions were favorable. The weapon is light and comfortable, with similar ergonomics to an AR. The muscle memory is the same, with only one major feature (the charging handle) in a different location, and even there it is a common-sense location. The FN factory mag looks OK, but other than the color and a MagPul looking follower, it looks and feels just like any USGI mag. I decided to compliment it with several MagPul P-Mags, some with windows, some without. I found that they will not drop free when released, but that's not an issue, as I'd rather not drop mags I'm paying for! Only other issue with using them is that when loaded, you can't use the charging handle as a bolt release. USGI/FN factory mags work in this regard, but P-Mags do not. Again, not much of an issue, but just an interesting little fact. The buttstock is very adjustable, and I found it more comfortable than most M4 buttstocks. The adjustable cheek rest was nice too, as it really helps get a good check-to-stock weld, and you can see in the pictures, a great "hot dog roll".

Shooting was excellent. Its similar to shooting an AR/M4, but at the same time, different. Whereas all movement in an M4 is in the ass-end of the gun, on the SCAR its towards the front. Oddest part, I'm not bothered by this at all. Different, but certainly OK. Kinky, I guess ( :-P ) I used 62 grain SS-109 FMJ ammo, trying to get as close to M855 Ball, so the zero would be the same. I also used some 55 grain M193 ammo later in the day, and it fuctioned fine with that too. The zeroing process was interesting, but for different reasons. The iron sights provided were set for way low, like on the bottom of the page at 25m. After what seemed like an endless series of spins, I finally got the front sight post lowered down enough, and the rear one adjsuted, and had a rough zero for the rifle. I co-witnessed the EOTech to the irons, and started zeroing that, using an Army EoTech zero target. That was fine, but the one of the adjustments on my EOTech is wrong (the directions take it the opposite way), and I kept forgetting which one it was, thus my problems. Eventually, I had a rough zero, and decided to have fun. Recoil is noticeable less than with an M4. Don't know why, but it is. Double taps and controlled pairs were easy, and the trigger pull was very smooth. Can't say enough good things about it.

Malfunctions: I actually had one. Let me explain; the SCAR was slightly dirty when I bought it, and I didn't bother to lube it at all before shooting. We were about 330 rounds into shooting when my buddy had a malfunction. He tried to describe it to me, but it basically sounded like the bolt didn't close all the way. He dropped the mag, a round fell out, reinserted the mag, and started blasting. I wish I'd seen it, and documented exactly what had gone wrong, but it was with a P-Mag, and could be anything. Still, by the end of the day, we had fired almost 400 rounds of various types, and we had a total of 1 malfunction. A helluva lot better than I've done with any M16 or M4 I've ever fired.

Cleaning was a breeze. Just disassembled the weapon, and wiped it all down. Very similar to a SAW in that regard. The star-chamber, by far the worst part to clean on an M4, was relatively easy, as it is much bigger, and I could easily get my finger in there to clean it out.

Overall, I absolutely love my new SCAR. I plan on getting an EOTech magnifier for it, and look forward to shooting it again. Best way to describe my feelings on it are to say I had a Gungasim shooting it. :roll:

[gaijinsamurai]

Nice, Alpha!
Thanks for sharing your impressions with us. No doubt, it generated a lot of envy! :)

[custodes]

Good job Alpha -17. Thanks.

[Kilo1-1]

First, the eye candy:

Now, the report:

Looks like you had good fun. :)
I always felt the SCAR was a gimmick, but they are well designed. I remember wanting one as far as 4 years ago. The desire isn't as strong anymore, but I'd still like to have one eventually.

Pic thread:
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/8793/cimg1198.jpg

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/2460/cimg1201w.jpg

[hood]

Victory, in NY they'd get ya for "constructive intent" just for having the parts around in one house. Sigh.

[Hollis]

Is there more to the law. Such as all parts must be at the complete stage of manufacture no less than 80% parts? In the BATF laws, there are ten parts, there is no barrel, receiver, bolt, just linkage parts. Possession of those part constitute owning a Select Fire Rifle. They are the parts that will change a M1 Carbine to a M2 Carbine.

So part of the question, Does owning/possessing a full auto bolt constitute a crime? Or is there more?

[Yarrick2]

Alpha, is that a para ord 14-45 you're rocking?

[Kilo1-1]

Is there more to the law. Such as all parts must be at the complete stage of manufacture no less than 80% parts? In the BATF laws, there are ten parts, there is no barrel, receiver, bolt, just linkage parts. Possession of those part constitute owning a Select Fire Rifle. They are the parts that will change a M1 Carbine to a M2 Carbine.

So part of the question, Does owning/possessing a full auto bolt constitute a crime? Or is there more?

Having an auto carrier doesn't get you in trouble, as many manufacturers are shipping with M16 carriers with their rifles (IE: Colt, BCM, etc).

Anyone that says that you could get in trouble for buying one is BS'ing.

[Alpha-17]

Alpha, is that a para ord 14-45 you're rocking?

Yes it is. ParaOrdance P14.45 LDA. Been thinking of selling it so I can pick up their single action version, in FDE.

[Yarrick2]

That's what i thought, i just bought one last monday and haven't even had the time to take it to the range.
I'll get pics up when i have a chance.

[Victory]

Victory, in NY they'd get ya for "constructive intent" just for having the parts around in one house. Sigh.

Suddenly, I feel just a little bit better about the BS we put up with in Cali.

Just kiding. It's still a PITA.

-Vic

Edit: Also, you can buy rebuild kits to modify them into 10 round mags. So, if I wanted to, I could take one of my parts kits and make a 10/30. A 10 round magazine that looks like a 30 round magazine. I might build a 10/30 mag or two, but mainly, I'll be using the parts to rebuild my existing 10/30 mags and to shoot out of state.

[NZPumpkin]

so where are good places to live for firearms owners?

[Chulo]

so where are good places to live for firearms owners?
Africa, Afghanistan, Iraq

:P Which country are you talking about?

[gaijinsamurai]

so where are good places to live for firearms owners?

Most of the southern and western states, except California. Washington state is good, except for full autos and short-barrelled rifles, which are restricted.

[notoo7]

My vote is Nevada.

http://www.notoo7.com/images/Boyz@Play.jpg

[Bro Jangles]

Most of the southern and western states, except California. Washington state is good, except for full autos and short-barrelled rifles, which are restricted.
only downside is you have to live in washington.

[Geezah]

so where are good places to live for firearms owners?

Ohio is friendly and it is getting friendlier, Indiana is friendly too with a Lifetime CHL.......sweet :)

[Wake27]

Bottom line, the best state for everything else is also the worst for taxes and guns.

[gaijinsamurai]

.......and crime

......and traffic

[Bro Jangles]

.......and crime

......and traffic
so.... washington.

[gaijinsamurai]

I've got a lot of uncles, aunts, and cousins in the Tacoma-Puyallup-Federal Way area, and it has gotten progressively worse.

[Wake27]

I'd argue the traffic. I never sat in anything like the traffic here in D.C. when I lived in San Diego. LA though, yeah pretty bad also. But you still live in SoCal so its worth it.

[Rockthekazbah12]

Florida isn't too shabby.

[Hollis]

I've got a lot of uncles, aunts, and cousins in the Tacoma-Puyallup-Federal Way area, and it has gotten progressively worse.


Thats because people forgot one of the concepts of the 60's /70's, ZPG. In a way, ZPG is about fire control. :)

Should have my RPD conversion up and running in a week.

[gaijinsamurai]

Looking forward to seeing the RPD!

ZPG?

[Hollis]

Looking forward to seeing the RPD!

ZPG?


Zero Population Growth.

[gaijinsamurai]

Ahh....been a while since my "Sustainable Development" classes as an International Studies major! :)

[punchinout]

I got married on Sunday and on Monday my beautiful bride gave me some money for a new gun so I bought me a Cimarron 12ga coach gun with rebounding hammers! I'll post pics when i can.

[FrankBooth]

That's the right kind of bride, congrats punch.

[Bro Jangles]

I got married on Sunday and on Monday my beautiful bride gave me some money for a new gun so I bought me a Cimarron 12ga coach gun with rebounding hammers! I'll post pics when i can.
congrats on the Shotty! long time no see on here.




- oh, congrats on getting married too.

[Mein Teil]

I got married on Sunday and on Monday my beautiful bride gave me some money for a new gun so I bought me a Cimarron 12ga coach gun with rebounding hammers! I'll post pics when i can.

...I got an EOTECH 552 from mine for Fathers Day:D

[Bro Jangles]

i need to get married.

[goat89]

i need to get married.
Be careful of wat u wish for.

[cwjian]

Be careful of wat u wish for.

I concur.

Wish i could own guns in Malaysia...fills me with so much jealousy to see all your collections...:(

[gaijinsamurai]

i need to get married.

Chances are, your wife will be like mine: pretend to be cool about guns until after the wedding, then bitch and whine, and make a fuss whenever ammo or accessories are purchased. i don't even DARE let my wife know when a new gun enters the Gaijinsamurai Home.


CONGRATULATIONS, PUNCHY!!!! You've got a breeder!

[Bro Jangles]

Chances are, your wife will be like mine: pretend to be cool about guns until after the wedding, then bitch and whine, and make a fuss whenever ammo or accessories are purchased. i don't even DARE let my wife know when a new gun enters the Gaijinsamurai Home.


CONGRATULATIONS, PUNCHY!!!! You've got a breeder!ill get a gun centered prenup

[Mein Teil]

I must be the luckiest man alive.

[punchinout]

Chances are, your wife will be like mine: pretend to be cool about guns until after the wedding, then bitch and whine, and make a fuss whenever ammo or accessories are purchased. i don't even DARE let my wife know when a new gun enters the Gaijinsamurai Home.


CONGRATULATIONS, PUNCHY!!!! You've got a breeder!

lol thanks man. And good lord i hope not. She owns a Sig 226, a Marlin Camp rifle in .45acp and a Ruger MKI. I'm pretty confident she'll be okay with my addiction lol.

[Kilo1-1]

lol thanks man. And good lord i hope not. She owns a Sig 226, a Marlin Camp rifle in .45acp and a Ruger MKI. I'm pretty confident she'll be okay with my addiction lol.

Congrats man, glad you were able to find someone that loves you (and your hobby) as you are.

--
Side note, tomorrow I'm going to be helping a good buddy build his AR. His parts come in tomorrow, and it's his first time into the AR world. He's been mostly an AK user, but he had a stripped lower receiver collecting dust for the last 3+ years.

[Cstafford]

Hey congrats Punch, I hope you have a long lasting happy marriage.

Anyone have experience with Lapua .22's? Ive shot federal most of my life and after a recent price jump I decided to buy Remington "Golden Bullet" which was a huge mistake. It leaves gold paint on my hands and grips and is quite hard to get off. So I am searching for some quality ammo for my plinkers.

[DeltaWhisky58]

I have used Lapua .22 ammo and whilst very good it is expensive. My ammo of choice here in the UK is RWS, but I'm not sure if this is available where you are. Try the Lapua, you won't be disappointed as long as the price is right.

[Jurpula]

Do you have a semi or bolt action?

I've noticed that the cheaper Lapua ammo has a ****load of wax on them that makes my semi misfire.

The sub-sonic round is awesome btw.

[Cstafford]

Atm my plinkers are a 10/22 and a Buckmark.

[He219]

Congratulation, Punch!
:D

I have a couple of boxes of the German SK Jagd Brand Lapua .22LR 40gr ammo but still haven't tried them ..
Wax creates all sorts of feed failures in my semi GSG5 when using rounds like CCI Blazer ..
I use Aguila Süpermaximüm Hyper-velöcity, works like a charm!

[Geezah]

I currently use Fed bulk pack in my CMMG AR Conversion Kit, GSG5 and SIG Mosquito, Aquila Subsonic in my Savage Mark II and CCI Standard Velocity in my 10/22, though I recently picked up a case of the Eley Stadard Velocity from AIM Surplus(best price) to try in my 10/22. All platforms apart from the AR take my .22 Can.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Do you have a semi or bolt action?

I've noticed that the cheaper Lapua ammo has a ****load of wax on them that makes my semi misfire.

The sub-sonic round is awesome btw.


Atm my plinkers are a 10/22 and a Buckmark.

Both the Lapua and RWS subsonics are excellent and neither should cause you any worries in a semi-auto - many folks around here use Ruger 10/22s and Anschütz semi autos using both. I find both brands to be very accurate in my Anschütz bolt action with barrel shortened from 22" to 16" and Parker-Hale suppressor.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b212/HighlandSniper58/Album%20No2/Album%20No3/Album%20No4/c52dee64.jpg

[Wake27]

CCI Blazer worked perfect for me from my M&P 15-22. Was only $20.50 for 525 rounds too. A little dirty but I think most .22s are right?

[He219]

CCI Blazer worked perfect for me from my M&P 15-22. Was only $20.50 for 525 rounds too. A little dirty but I think most .22s are right?
Try the Aguila Supermaximum Hypervelocity, you won't be disappointed!

[DeltaWhisky58]

We don't get the Aguila here. I've tried the Blaser and wasn't too impressed, not as accurate as RWS/Lapua in my bolt-action bunny-gun, plus specifically subsonic ammo is needed for suppressor use - most bunny-hunters in the UK use suppressed .22s.

[Henry's Fork]

Congrats Punch, has her own collection, sounds like a keeper. @ Gai.....bahahahahahaha

Personally i cant tell the diff between RWS and Aguila .22's except for the price. I have the blue box RWS and a whole slew of different Aguila rounds. Been digging the Super Colibri powderless rounds as of late. For hunting anything bigger than a squirrel, i use CCI stingers.

[DeltaWhisky58]

I was just thinking about Stingers earlier - haven't used them in maybe 20 years - didn't Remington have an equivalent, Yellowjacket? Here in The UK, I've never seen much use for the hyper-velocity (is this the term used way back when by CCI when they launched Stinger?). Do you use Stingers for anything edible, I'd have though meat loss was a bit extreme, at least it was in my experience on Rabbits/Hares etc.

I use my .22 rifle mainly for harvesting bunnies, and occasionally pigeons and other gamebirds - unorthodox and frowned upon by the conservative Brits, but a good way of getting meat on the table without damaging any - Heck even a hare headshot with a .308 FMJ makes for good eating. I used to harvest a lot of mountain hares (Lepus timidus) with both my .308 and .222 loaded with FMJ bullets - as long as they were headshot there was minimal meat damage and they could be shot at long range. I even shot the odd Grouse this way if one happened to pop his head up above the heather.

[gaijinsamurai]

When I was a teenager and shot my Ruger 10-22 a lot, my favorite .22 LR rounds were the CCI Stingers and the Remington Yellowjackets.

Now that ammo is more expensive and I've got less disposable income, my .22s have become more attractive for casual plinking and teaching my son to shoot and hunt. I've got a couple hundred rounds of standard CCI ammo, but perhaps I'll invest in some premium rounds.

Edit: Pleasant surprise: just did an inventory, and discovered a box of Stingers I didn't know I had! :)

[Henry's Fork]

When I was a teenager and shot my Ruger 10-22 a lot, my favorite .22 LR rounds were the CCI Stingers and the Remington Yellowjackets.

Now that ammo is more expensive and I've got less disposable income, my my .22s have become more attractive for casual plinking and teaching my son to shoot and hunt. I've got a couple hundred rounds of standard CCI ammo, but perhaps I'll invest in some premium rounds.

Yellow Jackets are great, got a brick somewhere around here. They shot good in a 10/22 but jammed in most of my other autoloaders. So Stinger/Mini Mags became the go to round. Federal Spitfires were close to Yellows as well. Just been geeking off of Aguila's as of late.

That "hyper-velocity" comes in handy at some of the long shooting, ground varmits in the wide open farmlands. Subsonics are nice for in the trees and brush.

[DeltaWhisky58]

I love my .22 - I've always felt that banging off a couple of hundred rounds of .22 at negligible cost in comparison to even hand-loaded centrefire ammo is so worthwhile. In the days when I did quite a bit of coaching, I often found a fullbore (UK-speak for any centrefire rifle) flinch could be cured with some range-time on a smallbore (UK-speak for a .22) rifle.

[Createdeemcee]

Everytime I see a 10/22 I want to do this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01ilwvD-mnE , I f i get my hands on a cheapo i will make it happen.

[gaijinsamurai]

I love my .22 - I've always felt that banging off a couple of hundred rounds of .22 at negligible cost in comparison to even hand-loaded centrefire ammo is so worthwhile. In the days when I did quite a bit of coaching, I often found a fullbore (UK-speak for any centrefire rifle) flinch could be cured with some range-time on a smallbore (UK-speak for a .22) rifle.

Good point, DW58. I like the fact that I can have an enjoyable time practicing my marksmanship skills and having fun with a .22, without worrying about the fact that I'm depleting my ammo supply and how much it's going to cost to replace what I'm shooting.

[Geezah]

Everytime I see a 10/22 I want to do this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01ilwvD-mnE , I f i get my hands on a cheapo i will make it happen.

That looks sweet, I would love to get something like that, and it would probably work out to be alot cheaper and more fun than my bloody SBR GSG-5.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Good point, DW58. I like the fact that I can have an enjoyable time practicing my marksmanship skills and having fun with a .22, without worrying about the fact that I'm depleting my ammo supply and how much it's going to cost to replace what I'm shooting.

I don't think any time spent shooting a .22 weapon is ever wasted, however there are .22s and .22s - there are some thoroughly horrible rim-fires out there.

I wish people would realise the .22 weapons need cleaning just as much as any other. My son shoots competitive small-bore competition (25m indoor) and has inherited a very nice Anschütz rifle, however the first few times he shot it, accuracy was average at best, not the amazing level I'd expect of such a rifle. I set about it with bore solvent and a bronze brush - the lead in that barrel was horrific. Two or three soaks followed by brushing and patches and the bore was as new - accuracy was restored. I reckon it had had somewhere around 15-20,000 rounds through it without cleaning judging by how long the previous member had used it.

[Wake27]

Try the Aguila Supermaximum Hypervelocity, you won't be disappointed!

That's a hell of a name, but noted. Thanks for the tip He.

[Alpha-17]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb-DiConIws

A little video my friend made with footage of us shooting my SCAR. Enjoy.

[gaijinsamurai]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb-DiConIws

A little video my friend made with footage of us shooting my SCAR. Enjoy.

Bullsh!t. That's obviously an airsoft gun, made to look real. I see through your hoax, Buddy.













Just kidding. Nice SCAR and vid, Alpha! Thanks.

[Anthony91]

Asian EliteTeamFighter? p-)

Cool video though.

[TheBroncos]

Congratulation, Punch!
:D

I have a couple of boxes of the German SK Jagd Brand Lapua .22LR 40gr ammo but still haven't tried them ..
Wax creates all sorts of feed failures in my semi GSG5 when using rounds like CCI Blazer ..
I use Aguila Süpermaximüm Hyper-velöcity, works like a charm!

GSG5 is extremely picky. Mine doesn't like AS for some reason. For now, I am sticking with sig522 for 22 fun!

[Kilo1-1]

Helped build my buddy's AR this July 4th holiday (the midlength AR with punisher skull).

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7461/pair1.jpg

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8244/pair2m.jpg

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/5235/sh1i.jpg
Just shooting my old carbine.

[gaijinsamurai]

Very nice, Kilo! Both of them.

[dangerdan87]

Got a new camera and new pics
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/Guns/101_0026.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/Guns/101_0031.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/Guns/101_0028.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/Guns/101_0030.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/Guns/101_0017.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/Guns/101_0019.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/Guns/101_0020.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/Guns/101_0021.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/Guns/101_0013.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/Guns/101_0016.jpg

[punchinout]

^
Some sweet lookin shooters there guys!!!

[ZoneOne]

What receiver is that?

[Nickchios]

My HK G3A4 with some changes i made.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6282/cimg1649j.jpg

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/8736/cimg1647j.jpg

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/2797/cimg1646l.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4116/cimg1645.jpg

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/4348/cimg1644b.jpg

[dangerdan87]

What receiver is that?

Which one?

[He219]

Love the SPR, dangerdan!
What is the bbl and other spec's?

G3 is looking niice, Nickchios!
:D

[Nickchios]

Love the SPR, dangerdan!
What is the bbl and other spec's?

G3 is looking niice, Nickchios!
:D

Thanks :grin:.....and is shooting nice too.

[dangerdan87]

Love the SPR, dangerdan!
What is the bbl and other spec's?

G3 is looking niice, Nickchios!
:D

WOA 18" Stainless barrel - Needs a new barrel soon...thinking about a CLE 18" SPR barrel
Knights FF RAS
PRI low pro gas block
ARMS scope rings and bipod adapter
Harris bipod
LMT Defender 2000 lower w/ SOPMOD stock and LMT 2-stage trigger (thinking about getting a Geissele DMR or SSA trigger)
Knights 2-600m rear and front BUIS
Leupold 2.5-8x32 MR/T w/ illuminated TMR w/ custom knobs
CMT M16 BCG
Tango Down pistol grip (might get a MOE later on, once I replace barrel)
OPS mounting hardware and 12th Model can

[He219]

Nice, thanks for the info dangerdan!

[Kilo1-1]

Got a new camera and new pics
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/Guns/101_0026.jpg


Some great MK12 Mod 1 luvin there!

As for trigger, can't go wrong with the SSA. I got a buddy with a SSF in his NFA M16A1 lower and loves it. Both are worthy in combat guns.

[dangerdan87]

I have an SSA in my 308 lower,

[SPQR]

http://thekaiserworks.com/images/dmr-Aa.jpg
http://thekaiserworks.com/images/dmr-Bb.jpg
KR7 PREMUIM 18" carbon fiber/ss barrel with 118LR chamber, REACH and ambi controls
Timny trigger
Magpul PRS stock with tungsten buffer
NightForce 3.5x15
custom made kill flash
larue one piece 30mm rings/base mount
KAC buis
Atlas bipod and monopod

[Cstafford]

All right guys, I took your advice and went out and picked up some new .22 LR ammo. I bought Remington Thunderbolt, CCL Stingers, and Federal Auto Match. They will be shot from a 10/22 at a local indoor range. I haven't shot it in a while so Ill probably be sloppier than hell.

Look wise I am most impressed with the Stingers. Nice case and its copper plated, unlike other brands that are painted, or just lead. I am most skeptical of the Auto Match, It comes in a brick of 325, and is possibly painted silver.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/codystafford/DSCF2038.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/codystafford/DSCF2035.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/codystafford/DSCF2039.jpg

[Geezah]

All right guys, I took your advice and went out and picked up some new .22 LR ammo. I bought Remington Thunderbolt, CCL Stingers, and Federal Auto Match. They will be shot from a 10/22 at a local indoor range. I haven't shot it in a while so Ill probably be sloppier than hell.

Look wise I am most impressed with the Stingers. Nice case and its copper plated, unlike other brands that are painted, or just lead. I am most skeptical of the Auto Match, It comes in a brick of 325, and is possibly painted silver.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/codystafford/DSCF2038.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/codystafford/DSCF2035.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/codystafford/DSCF2039.jpg

I find Remington sucks, atleast the subsonic does, accuracy and dirty as all hell.

I just remembered that I used to shoot Winchester Super X through my 10/22 and I loved it.

[Red_Fern]

x2 on the Thunderbolt ammo... great if you have a sh*tty .22 revolver that you don't care about too much and just want to plink with. rofl

As far as good .22 for "real" shooting, I agree with Geez about the Super X. Good stuff!

[Chulo]

I find Remington sucks, atleast the subsonic does, accuracy and dirty as all hell.

I just remembered that I used to shoot Winchester Super X through my 10/22 and I loved it.
X2 on the Remington... i have had more sparks jump out and burn me with that set than anything else. I got a brick at walmart and cant even get through it because its so dirty and has alot more misfires.

I have the Winchester SuperX and its a whole lot better.

[Cstafford]

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/codystafford/22compare.jpg

Well my best group was from the Remington. But I did not like it much at all, very dirty and takes the less out of smokeless powder. My worst group as you can see is from the Stingers, which was disappointing because going into it I thought it would be the best. You can also tell my rifle is shooting high and to the left until I compensated for it. The Federal really didn't prove any better than the red box stuff I have been shooting all of my life. Cant wait to get my hands on Lapua and other brands mentioned earlier.

I wish my reflex was sighted in because as we know Rugers irons are less than desirable.

[Bro Jangles]

damn, very nice bra.

[Chulo]

How much does it cost for a SBR license?

[Bro Jangles]

200 dollar tax stamp per SBR.

[Bro Jangles]

you like the SCAR panels? ive had the tan ones for over a year or so.

[gaijinsamurai]

Okay, my Photo-fu is getting better. Posted this earlier but big time fail.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x87/heavymetal1182/HouseGun.jpg

Love my house PDW

That is a most-kickass PDW, Ownians Minage!

[He219]

Minions Ownage, that's a beautiful SBR!
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/3500/drool3a.gif

What are those low-pro flip up sights?

[Kilo1-1]

KAC Front and Rear sights.

That sucker must be loud to shoot.

[Red_Fern]

I've shot an LWRC version very similar to that, and it's so damn much fun! I didn't think it was much louder than any other standard M4-variants I've fired before...but lots more fun! :D

[Geezah]

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/codystafford/22compare.jpg

Well my best group was from the Remington. But I did not like it much at all, very dirty and takes the less out of smokeless powder. My worst group as you can see is from the Stingers, which was disappointing because going into it I thought it would be the best. You can also tell my rifle is shooting high and to the left until I compensated for it. The Federal really didn't prove any better than the red box stuff I have been shooting all of my life. Cant wait to get my hands on Lapua and other brands mentioned earlier.

I wish my reflex was sighted in because as we know Rugers irons are less than desirable.

Shooting a box standard 10/22, you will not get the kind of accuracy it is capable of with a few changes. Replace the barrel for a free floating bull barrel and stock, and you will turn it into a tack driver. Also, shooting Federal bulk pack .22s will work just fine.

Check out this site for everything you will need to turn your standard carbine into a rocket ship
EABCO (http://www.eabco.com/)

[Geezah]

That is a most-kickass PDW, Ownians Minage!

X2, that is sweet looking.......

[Geezah]

And an eternity waiting for it. But once done, any length you want per serial.

Can took just shy of 3mths(prior to Obama), SBR around 6. Amazing what an Anti-President and Congress will do for the firearm industry........p-)

[gaijinsamurai]

http://thekaiserworks.com/images/dmr-Aa.jpg
http://thekaiserworks.com/images/dmr-Bb.jpg
KR7 PREMUIM 18" carbon fiber/ss barrel with 118LR chamber, REACH and ambi controls
Timny trigger
Magpul PRS stock with tungsten buffer
NightForce 3.5x15
custom made kill flash
larue one piece 30mm rings/base mount
KAC buis
Atlas bipod and monopod

Nice....looking at this thread makes me less than content with only two ARs. I wanna build another...and another...

[Bro Jangles]

Nice....looking at this thread makes me less than content with only two ARs. I wanna build another...and another...
know the feeling, last few pages makes my AR seem like a cheap prostitute

[Kilo1-1]

KAC 300 meter adjustable rear and RAS/RIS front BUIS. From personal experience Matechs have a flaw in its housing that makes it either not work/break or lose zero from personal experience in deployments and in the shops working on them to the point where now we just do one for one swaps instead of going well, least I tried mentality.

I've had my matech lock up in the past (elevation and windage). I used break free CLP and some militec on it, and it got it working again. When people said "keep the gun wet," didn't think it applied to Matechs too. Probably not the best choice of BUIS, but it was reasonably priced (This was before the cheaper magpul MBUS came out).

[wild_wild_wes]

Since we are showing off our 10-22s, here is my Liberty Training Rifle

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k132/pseudonominus/LTR1.jpg

With Tech Sights and Hogue stock.

[Kilo1-1]

know the feeling, last few pages makes my AR seem like a cheap prostitute

Same here bro.

[gaijinsamurai]

Nice 10-22, Wes.

[wild_wild_wes]

This one is nice too!

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k132/pseudonominus/mak.jpg

Ernst Thaelmann Pistole M....very nice worksmanship.

[rhino]

East German?

[wild_wild_wes]

Yes....a country that no longer exists....

[rhino]

got any pix of it disasembled?

[armored_diplomacy]

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/codystafford/22compare.jpg

Well my best group was from the Remington. But I did not like it much at all, very dirty and takes the less out of smokeless powder. My worst group as you can see is from the Stingers, which was disappointing because going into it I thought it would be the best. You can also tell my rifle is shooting high and to the left until I compensated for it. The Federal really didn't prove any better than the red box stuff I have been shooting all of my life. Cant wait to get my hands on Lapua and other brands mentioned earlier.

I wish my reflex was sighted in because as we know Rugers irons are less than desirable.

I have a semi-auto Brazilian-made Magtech .22LR with free floating barrel and I tend to get the same group than you when using CCI (Minimag HP. For some reaon they are a little bit "dirty", ´cause I always have to remove rests of powder close to the chamber area.
I bought a box of Remington, but didn´t use them so far.
If remington are OK, it´s gonna be nice because they are way cheaper than CCI

[Bro Jangles]

Think Beatles, think Kiss. Now think wants vs. actual needs..
my cheap lil hooker, if your Gat is Kiss, than mine is.....Devo

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm112/bravo-juliet/aed39df806b1__1278718060000.jpg

[T3ngu]

X2 on the Remington... i have had more sparks jump out and burn me with that set than anything else. I got a brick at walmart and cant even get through it because its so dirty and has alot more misfires.

I have the Winchester SuperX and its a whole lot better.


Well my best group was from the Remington. But I did not like it much at all, very dirty and takes the less out of smokeless powder. My worst group as you can see is from the Stingers, which was disappointing because going into it I thought it would be the best. You can also tell my rifle is shooting high and to the left until I compensated for it. The Federal really didn't prove any better than the red box stuff I have been shooting all of my life. Cant wait to get my hands on Lapua and other brands mentioned earlier.

I wish my reflex was sighted in because as we know Rugers irons are less than desirable.


I find Remington sucks, atleast the subsonic does, accuracy and dirty as all hell.

I just remembered that I used to shoot Winchester Super X through my 10/22 and I loved it.
Ok, lets try this again.

I have used many brands over the years in a variety of rifles, Stirlings, Bnro (yes the original version) CZs and winchesters. But, in short, i have found the winchester super speed to always be the best when considering we would use it in any variety of 22s we had at the time. I tried CCI Stingers, and also found these to be good, but the price often made them more expensive than the superspeeds (say superspeed back in the day was $5 (as an example) CCI was $9.)

I have tried Remington 22 LR bullets a few times, including the last time i purchased 22 ammo, and it always leaves me disappointed, particularly when trying to hunt with their so called "hunting" rounds. One of our local gun shops does not stock winchester 22 ammo and always tells me its not made anymore, problem is they are the only ones open when im in a rush to get ammo for the 22. 223 ammo, well i have about 150rnds, so its not really a problem.

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/7802/ss22lrht6312111.jpg

[Cstafford]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPCoyr1GSRA&feature=related

Any of you guys have experience with this stuff. It wont melt rubber will it?

[He219]

Newest addition to the family:

MSAR XM-17E4 18.5HB 5.56mm STANAG
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5289/msare4c.jpg
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/611/msare4b.jpg
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/959/msare4.jpg

[Bro Jangles]

them magpul sights on that looks wicked.

[Migs]

i have found the winchester super speed to always be the best when considering we would use it in any variety of 22s we had at the time.
Winchester .22 has never failed to give me issues, it's dead on accurate and consistent.
My 597 has been really picky with what it likes, loves eating this stuff up though.
My last box was a box of blazer brass .22, I would not recommend this stuff to anyone.
I was pulling chunks of lead fouling the size of finger nail clippings.

[Geezah]

them magpul sights on that looks wicked.

X2, it looks real sharp.

[He219]

Thanks, Geezah!


them magpul sights on that looks wicked.
Thanks! MBUS match the polymer well ..
:D

Just improved the radius of those sights by modding a longer top rail:
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9777/2020rails.jpg
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/6731/tacrailmsare4.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9522/msare4tacmod.jpg
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/574/msare4finalnooptic.jpg

[He219]

just added a single point sling attachment to complement all the push button swivel anchorages:
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/1793/msare4newslingpoint.jpg
Now it's ready for a suitable optic ...
Gotta save some dinero first!
:lol:

[TacoDelRio]

Hmmm I wonder what's happening tomorrow?

[He219]

Hmmm I wonder what's happening tomorrow?
Don't forget the watermelons ..
;)

[TacoDelRio]

I'll check to see if I have anything I need blowed up.

[Kilo1-1]

Think Beatles, think Kiss. Now think wants vs. actual needs.

@ Kilo, the springs, they lose tension or break alot.

Ah ok, thanks for the heads up. I'll keep watch on the springs.

He219, slick gun. Those MSARs are fun to shoot are well balanced. I find them better balanced than FN's FS2000.

[Soldat_Américain]

just added a single point sling attachment to complement all the push button swivel anchorages:
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/1793/msare4newslingpoint.jpg
Now it's ready for a suitable optic ...
Gotta save some dinero first!
:lol:

What's the dif between this and a standard Steyr? This looks way better.

[Bro Jangles]

You have a good shooter there, but go with what works for you.
im either going to get an A2 stock and build it more to an A4 spec, or get a 16 inch barrel, run the same rail, and have a low profile gas block be under the rail.

[Bro Jangles]

SPR? Sounds good, try a PRS for a stock, excellent welding if you are going that route.
i dont shoot that far, so i dont think i can justify the money for a high tuned accuracy rifle

[Soldat_Américain]

You want to know what's sad...I don't have a personal weapon...ouch.

[Bro Jangles]

Good grief Soldat, fix the issue.ill sell him a unused Chicim SKS, buddy discount, 800$

[He219]

What's the dif between this and a standard Steyr? This looks way better.
Thanks!
You mean an AUG (A3) .. Not very much at all.

[Soldat_Américain]

You mean an AUG (A3) .. Not very much at all.
The MSAR E4 is STANAG and has a bolt hold-open device ..

Steyr is releasing a STANAG version soon.

Thing I didn't like about the FAMAS was that there was no bolt hold-open device. This looks good, how much did she run...now if they could just get the TAVOR over here.

[He219]

Speaking of which, put holes down range yet?
Tomorrow, Minions Ownage. Will post a report ..

Thing I didn't like about the FAMAS was that there was no bolt hold-open device. This looks good, how much did she run...now if they could just get the TAVOR over here.
A buck sixty.
The Tavor and STANAG AUG in the US are a bit like Kaiser Soze .. That's why I went domestic.

[Soldat_Américain]

Tomorrow, Minions Ownage. Will post a report ..

A buck sixty.
The Tavor and STANAG AUG in the US are a bit like Kaiser Soze .. That's why I went domestic.

When you mean a buck sixty...does that mean $160 or $1060...because well you get my idea. Are there manufacturers producing Tavors under license?

[Bro Jangles]

800!? Some pal you are, blue falcon. Shame on you cadet, tyring to pinch an enlisted. That's it, grass drills again.ok ok ok, how about 750, and ill throw in pizza hut gift card.


Thanks!
You mean an AUG (A3) .. Not very much at all.
that is a hot weapon there man. love to see some range pics

[Bro Jangles]

Has the SKS price majorly risen? I got a para back in '98 for $199, but sold it quick after it went full auto on me a couple of times. Tried fixing it, but the parts weren't so available as they are now.
i hope to get about 350 for mine. got a ticket i gotta pay for.

[KillerBD]

You want to know what's sad...I don't have a personal weapon...ouch.

I'm in the same boat... but not for too much longer... I have an Arsenal SLR-107F on order, I'll pick it up at the dealer in Everett (Shooting Sports Northwest (http://www.shootingsportsnorthwest.com/home)) when I get back from leave the first week of Aug.

Sucks I have to keep it stored in the Armory tough (on the other side of the island)... Stupid liberal barracks, God forbid you own a firearm on this base... We wouldn't want to prevent another Major Nidal incident.... But hey it's the life I live, my own fault if some psycho having a ****ty life decides to take it out on us unarmed/unprepared bullet-sponges... I'm sure the base security will be there in a quick hurry to solve all of our security problems. They seem pretty competent checking the ID's at the gate... On second thought, I think I'll just make my peace with the Lord every day and pray for the best... Sorry I'm ranting again, my life must not be perfect...wah, waahh, waaahhh.... etc, etc.