Iraqi Freedom

[Kingpin]

http://www.iraqwar.ru/show_image.php?id=860

[JohnJohn]

yes, we've seen that picture before. Nice try, bye :bash:

[Kingpin]

Oh oh. ;) You looks irritated? What's with you man?

[JohnJohn]

Irritated? :lol:

Did you find that all by yourself?

Yes, steal the photo off a news website and add your little caption to it, that'l show those american pigs rofl

[MolliG]

Wow, it just a soldier pointing an M9 into a crowd... Maybe he's trying to keep order! :roll: Police officers (etc) around the world do it daily... So why should this man be picked upon for just doing his job and something that happens all around the world without any problems? :|

[Jooglae]

Police officers (etc) around the world do it daily... :|

Just what kind of police officer would do that kinda ****? Police officers in S.K. here are pretty ****ty too, but they wouldn't aim at a riot crowd with a .38 revolver. This soldier here knows no crowd control methods.

[Kingpin]

Actually i respect american army and police officers for what they do in Iraq, but i think that they all are just hostages of the policy of US Administration and I think this policy is completely wrong.

As for your remark about gun ... You know rules everywhere are different and here police officer can't point gun at me if i don't attaking him. Even he is trying to keep order.

As i see there nobody is trying to violate order. And nobody is armed even with a rock.

[Mortimer]

and incase no one knew...that incident was at a place where a whole lot of old people were collecting their dole money or something....


looks like an officer.......can't blame him for acting like that lol

[Kingpin]

Heh. As i see my English is awful :) I hope you understand what i want to say :lol:

[mocking_loudly_died]

I think the issue was the finger on the trigger.

I don't know what context this picture was taken in; maybe there was some crazy old fart with an AK going "give me my bloody welfare cheque damn yankee scum!"

Mmmm hypocrisy.

[Seoulstriker]

:roll:

[Jack Mehoff]

We have a bunch of geniuses here I see. So tell me, how do you look at a picture and able to tell the whole story? I saw police officers pointing their shotguns at unarmed gang members all the time so i really don't see the point of this thread.

One good thing about that picture is the Iraqis finally have the ability to practice their freedom of speech which they do not have under Saddam.

[Seoulstriker]

One good thing about that picture is the Iraqis finally have the ability to practice their freedom of speech which they do not have under Saddam.

some people forget.

[non-zero possibility]

Kingpin, I am only gonna say one thing in this topic, you should not have made this thred. I have my own doubts about what we did in Iraq but I do not take bull**** out of context so I can make people agree with me, you should not put **** up that is propaganda so you can have people agree with you, what you did is propaganda, and I really do not think anyone will fall for it.

[96B]

Police officers here have every right to pull their weapons and even defend themselves if they so much as think their life is in jeopardy. In a warzone like Iraq with attacks happening all the time, a soldier most certainly has a right to be aggressive with policing tactics. This has been discussed countless times in the past...

It is totally obvious that the individuals who make such threads have nothing to do better with their time than to make attempts at insulting Americans on this board and trying to cause a response. Letting them know that they succeeded in making you mad simply inspires future acts of the same.

[Herrmannek]

I recived this topic/picture as a joke not as assault on US, so this topic should go to humor and off-topic if moderator see this same as me :) ?

[Kingpin]

You've reacted at this picture too seriously.

Army is not bringing freedom. it is bringing rules. Rules of Engagement.

People can be killed at checkpoint if they're missed GI's cry to them to stop. People can be killed at marriage if firing on the air while US patrol is near them.

So in general sarcasm of my picture can be easily understood.

[Deuterium]

You've reacted at this picture too seriously.

Army is not bringing freedom. it is bringing rules. Rules of Engagement.

People can be killed at checkpoint if they're missed GI's cry to them to stop. People can be killed at marriage if firing on the air while US patrol is near them.

So in general sarcasm of my picture can be easily understood.

Weapon is clearly on SAFE by the way. The American Army is bringing freedom to the Iraqi people. I'm sorry you've never been there to know the difference. I urge you to go to Iraq and find out for yourself. Start thinking for yourself. START THINKING FOR YOURSELF!!! Stop relying on biased sources for your information. Go to Iraq, ask people, take notes, then report back to us. I'd be happy to pay attention to you at that point. Right now you're just part of the problem and are guilty of spreading propaganda and mis-information.

[Kingpin]

Ok, i'm spreading propaganda. So what the **** guards of the local sheikh killed 4 US soldiers?

[WARPIG]

those people that get killed at checkpoints cause they don't stop.. well how do you tell the difference between those people and the ones that don't stop cause they want to bomb the check point. what about the ones that put weapons in the hands of their wives and kids.
what state of mind must a 19 year old american soldier be in if he cannot tell the difference between combatants and friendlies in a crowd of school kids and mothers? the point is just because you dont see a threat doesn't mean there isnt one. how do you know he is pointing at the crowd? maybe there is one guy he is pointing it at .. and there is a reason for it.
take a hard look at the people who hide weapons and bombs in the blankets and diapers of infants instead of the american military.
the great power of the american military comes at a great price.. that price is responsibility.
we have the responsability to do the right thing regardless of what the public thinks .. especially ignorant, uninformed morons with opinions minus the facts. way to call it deuterium.. out of context picture+ an uneducated kinpin= ignorance. think for yourself kinpin!

[JohnJohn]

You've reacted at this picture too seriously.

Army is not bringing freedom. it is bringing rules. Rules of Engagement.

People can be killed at checkpoint if they're missed GI's cry to them to stop. People can be killed at marriage if firing on the air while US patrol is near them.

So in general sarcasm of my picture can be easily understood.

oh hahaha! this is hilarious, tell me son, do you know what the hell you are talking about?!

You are complaining about people being shot at a checkpoint for failing to follow orders in a hostile environment, even if they "fail" to hear the soldier's(or Marine's ;)) commands? Guess what, if they can't follow those orders or care enough about their lives to listen carefully, it is completely their fault for getting themselves shot!

If these idiots fire their weapons into the air, knowing that there are troops there that have no idea what is going on and could mistake the situation as an attack, it is their fault as well :lol:

God, are these Iraqis trying to get themselves killed? rofl

You can't do any of these things in the United States either, why do you think we would tolerate such actions somewhere else where we are operating.

[usa320]

If you were standing in that crowd im sure youd be keeping your pistol ready too.

For all he knows any number of those people could have a AK-47, or even be a walking bomb...

[JohnJohn]

exactly, any of one those people could be, and probably are, carrying a concealed weapon.

This picture was taken months ago, so you can be sure of it.

[Operation Ivy]

Kingpin just likes to piss us Americans off with dumb threads like this, and posting pics of destroyed American equiment, so just try and ignore him, or u could always find pics of destroyed Russian equiment,not to hard ;)

[Jack Mehoff]

Kingpin just likes to piss us Americans off with dumb threads like this, and posting pics of destroyed American equiment, so just try and ignore him, or u could always find pics of destroyed Russian equiment,not to hard ;)

I thought Kingpin claimed that he served in US's infantry a while back ago? rofl I think my suspicion was right.


Honorable Mr. Powell,

A cancer has begun to spread in the military - especially those currently serving in Iraq. Sir, that cancer - as you probably already are aware of - is the dissatisfaction of service members for having been lied to by our Commander in Chief and his staff.

Sir, we know now that this war was not about Weapons of Mass Destruction. Sir, we know that this war was not about terrorism. Sir, we are unsure anymore of what exactly this war was about.

No one serving with me over here will deny that the removal of Saddam Hussein and his regime of tyrants was a great thing and we are proud of what we accomplished. I will continue to serve my country with honor and I am proud of the men and women and civilians with whom I work. They are all heroes.

But the men and women of Iraq know why we are here. They are very intelligent people and are able to see right through the lies that our President used to justify this war. That is why they view us now as an occupying force and believe it is their Muslim duty to fight us. Sir, you see the trends probably better than I do as an Intelligence Analyst. The attacks are on the rise and it is not the former Ba'ath party members conducting them. The attack last week on a convoy near Al Fallujah that killed 3 soldiers was carried out by a local man fighting for his Islamic belief. He left behind a letter to his family telling them not to mourn his death, but to rejoice it in the name of Allah. The people in his neighborhood call him a martyr. Sir, my unit commander visited the Abu Ghurayb prison to see the damage done by a mortar shell which killed 2 soldiers. His convoy took a wrong turn which took them through a nearby neighborhood. The people were unfriendly and some shouted, "Die, Americans! Die!".

Sir, I am wondering how you sleep at night knowing that America's sons and daughters are being wounded and killed every day by a people that we "Liberated" and for reasons that were untrue. I can see it in your eyes whenever you are before a camera. You are a good man and you were a great General. You need to speak out, sir. You need to tell us the truth. I know we are not going to be pulled out of Iraq any time soon. I can live with that and continue to do my job honorably if only we can hear the truth. That is all I ask for. And you, Mr. Secretary, will be viewed as a hero again.

Respectfully,

SSG United States Army

[Seoulstriker]

rofl woot

[Operation Ivy]

rofl rofl rofl ...good one jack :D

[JohnJohn]

now I've seen it all rofl

[Kingpin]

Mr. Mehoff!!!! :roll:

I don't have words for you. If the letter isn't quoted it doesn't mean that i wrote it. I took it from Mr. Hackworth. rofl I never told that i'm in any way connected to any military so i can't understand why do you think this.

Operation Ivy.

Yes, you don't like my opinion. But i don't see why you think my threads stupid.

(New York, October 21, 2003) The U.S. military is failing to conduct proper investigations into civilian deaths resulting from the excessive or indiscriminate use of force in Baghdad, Human Rights Watch charged in a new report released today

As for destroyed equipment... Yes i like to post it because while watching US media anyone can suppose that war in Iraq was something between military parade and computer game ( C&C ;) ) where all bad guys dies and almost all good guys survives (and those good guys who dies perform this in heroic way). Those pics are the simplest way to show you that this opinion incorrect.

PS - he he. Sunking in canal 3 feets deep is definitely heroic death.

[Kingpin]

And forgive me but i don't thrust to official reports. In the case below 1 killed and 2 or 3 injured were reported. Who's your soldiers? Terminators? ;)

http://www.iraqwar.ru/show_image.php?id=862

[Kingpin]

This one is definitely Terminator. Fortunately he didn't kill photographer :lol:

http://www.iraqwar.ru/show_image.php?id=864

[benny5405]

Freedom ?? Oh , come on ,, are u kidding me ? It's Bush **** !!! There is no freedom when W.Bush is alive ...

George W Bush ,, All world people know you ,, You and your father like bloodly kill !!!

[Mortimer]

woot

[Kingpin]

2 JohnJohn

You said "hostile environment"? But you just said that you liberated them! Please explain in details. As for me "liberation" of hostile environments is called "conquest"

[WARPIG]

yeah.. conquests... we openly "conquest" for control of a country no one wants to live in because we americans have this addictive curiosity with camels. our petting zoos and drive through animal farms dont have enough animals that stink, bite, and spit.

so we have openly asked nato to help us rebuild iraq. that would mean we have to share the camels of course.. wait .. share?? that doesn't sound like a conquest. and what the hell are we building schools and hospitals and crap for. .. hmm let's right to the Prez. and ask him what happened to our conquest.

just in case this font doesn't relay my sarcasm enough i have to tell you all this is a stupid string.. and i think i might have lost an IQ point or two from being involved with it.

[Fargin]

Soldiers ;= Policemen

Soldiers are shooters not law enforcers, they step on traditional and cultural toes to ensure their own safty. I still fear America will fail the mission, which will have serious consequences in the whole region and the rest of the world.

It's Americas sole duty to create law & order, I don't see that happening yet.

[Kingpin]

My dear.

You planned conquest and tried to involve other countries in this conflict to share responsibility with them. Nobody loved Saddam but most didn't want to go into this trap when US forces do what they want under cover of international "coalition".

[Seraphim]

PS - he he. Sunking in canal 3 feets deep is definitely heroic death.

:fork:

[Seoulstriker]

PS - he he. Sunking in canal 3 feets deep is definitely heroic death.

:fork: :fork: :fork: :fork:

[Kingpin]

2 Sinasta

Sorry man, i understand that every soldier's death is a sensitive matter for people but western media view on this war irritate me.

As for war time i can select three things:
- Linch case
- Lying about 51st division surrender
- Everyday's lying about taking over Basra, Umm Qasr, Nassiriya and so on so on so on. If you remember Basra fallen only after Baghdad fall.

And also i would ask you about the case where 2 helicopters were reported as collided during take off from carrier. There were rumors that actually both flew into SAM trap and were shot down. Does anyone can point out eyewitness reports?

[Seraphim]

2 Sinasta

Sorry man, i understand that every soldier's death is a sensitive matter for people but western media view on this war irritate me.

As for war time i can select three things:
- Linch case
- Lying about 51st division surrender
- Everyday's lying about taking over Basra, Umm Qasr, Nassiriya and so on so on so on. If you remember Basra fallen only after Baghdad fall.

And also i would ask you about the case where 2 helicopters were reported as collided during take off from carrier. There were rumors that actually both flew into SAM trap and were shot down. Does anyone can point out eyewitness reports?

About Basra, Umm Qasr, Nassiriya...they thought it was taken over but the remanents of the enemy hide in the civilian population and it seemed that it was secure but it actually wasnt.

About the 51st division surrender....Psy Op

I blame this guy for the Apache downings
http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1134662.jpg
:roll:

Just like those eye witnessess that said there was a downed pilot in the Tigris River... :roll:

[Seoulstriker]

2 Sinasta

Sorry man, i understand that every soldier's death is a sensitive matter for people but western media view on this war irritate me.

As for war time i can select three things:
- Linch case
- Lying about 51st division surrender
- Everyday's lying about taking over Basra, Umm Qasr, Nassiriya and so on so on so on. If you remember Basra fallen only after Baghdad fall.

And also i would ask you about the case where 2 helicopters were reported as collided during take off from carrier. There were rumors that actually both flew into SAM trap and were shot down. Does anyone can point out eyewitness reports?

About Basra, Umm Qasr, Nassiriya...they thought it was taken over but the remanents of the enemy hide in the civilian population and it seemed that it was secure but it actually wasnt.

About the 51st division surrender....Psy Op

I blame this guy for the Apache downings
http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1134662.jpg
:roll:

Just like those eye witnessess that said there was a downed pilot in the Tigris River... :roll:

rofl

[SFontaine]

Kingpin you do not seem to realize that the US isn't conqouring anything.. The US went into Iraq thinking there were WMDs (And why wouldnt they? Saddam has used them before and a lot of them were missing from a previous UN Report) and looking to free the Iraqi people.. There were no WMDs but I still think the war was justified.. It's better to be safe and invade a perceived threat than to say "Oh well it's prolly nothing" and wake up in a year with more Americans dead and dying at work in NYC or something.

Secondly, the US Is hardly an unjust and cruel occupier. The US has built schools, hospitals, repaired homes and various other things. Hell 2 US Soldiers even married Iraqi women. They're trying as hard as they can but it's very difficult when the vocal minority is trying to damage the work they do (Such as destroying water pipes the US has just fixed).

[JohnJohn]

PS - he he. Sunking in canal 3 feets deep is definitely heroic death.

**** off, I knew those Marines :fork:

[JohnJohn]

2 JohnJohn

You said "hostile environment"? But you just said that you liberated them! Please explain in details. As for me "liberation" of hostile environments is called "conquest"

well, obviously you are too stupid to realize that we fought a war, and that there are still loyalists to the old regime that fight on. I guess you are too stupid to realize that foreign terrorists are entering the country from bordering countries :lol:

Your terrorist buddies are creating hardship in Iraq, but then again, you'd never admit that because you probably agree with their ideology :cantbeli:

[Vance]

2 JohnJohn

You said "hostile environment"? But you just said that you liberated them! Please explain in details. As for me "liberation" of hostile environments is called "conquest"
Just like we ''conquested'' France, Belgium, Holland, and numerous other European countries during WWII :roll:

[Merik]

What are you Kingpin, French? :bash:

[redhawk_six]

God, some of you people really need a reality check. You take all this too damn seriously. It's the internet for chist sakes. I took the pic as a joke, trying to find some humor in this otherwise bloody war.

Even if it isn't a joke, do you really have the right to flame him and tell him he's wrong and to stop posting this "propaganda"? Does he not have the right to express his opinion just like you do?

You do have the right to dissagree with him, this is true, but flaming him, insulting him, and accusing him of posting "propaganda" will get us nowhere. If you disagree with him, fine, you can argue against his point of veiw, but try to do it without making unfounded accusations, insults, and petty name calling.

What he posted is NOT propaganda, it's obvious to anyone who knows guns that the M9's saftey is on. What makes this picture "propaganda" anyway? It hasn't been staged or edited in any way except for the added text.

He is right on one thing, assuming that there is no armed gunman just off screen, the soldier should not have his gun drawn, and his finger on the trigger. At the very least, he should not have his finger on the trigger.

[JunglistSoldier]

It's a ****ing war, whoever thought people wouldn't suffer and die needs to take life's cold shower.

The ONLY thing I can find wrong with that pic is the guys trigger finger, other that that I think it is perfectly in order.

[Jack Mehoff]

Mr. Mehoff!!!! :roll:

I don't have words for you. If the letter isn't quoted it doesn't mean that i wrote it. I took it from Mr. Hackworth. rofl I never told that i'm in any way connected to any military so i can't understand why do you think this.



A LINK would be nice

[Operation Ivy]

Yes, you don't like my opinion. But i don't see why you think my threads stupid.


Actually i enjoy some of your threads..like the F-117 one,but i think u went a little to far on this one :D

[Deuterium]

He is right on one thing, assuming that there is no armed gunman just off screen, the soldier should not have his gun drawn, and his finger on the trigger. At the very least, he should not have his finger on the trigger.


First off I agree only with the point about the finger on the trigger. definitely a no no. The photo IS being used as propaganda for someone trying to make the point to an uninformed public that soldiers are running roughshod over a civil populace. I've been in crowd situations in peacetime and in combat. I've pulled and pointed my pistol at crowds for the sole reason of gaining control of the situation. I've fired warning shots in the air. To anyone who has been in similar situations the act of drawing and pointing a gun at a crowd is a technique. Anyone who has spent anytime in the third world and especially the middle-east would be well familiar with this. The difference is the caption associated with the picture. DO you know the incident when this photo was taken? Do you know the outcome of the event? If you do how could you condone the caption that is now conveniently associated with it. It does a disservice to the people involved and could forever tarnish their reputations. Just as Michael Moore spews lies and innuendoes to tell tall tales that are voraciously gobbled down by a willing left leaning public, this photo and caption tries to do the same thing.

[GazB]

"The US went into Iraq thinking there were WMDs (And why wouldnt they? Saddam has used them before and a lot of them were missing from a previous UN Report) and looking to free the Iraqi people.."

Who cares if the Iraqis had WMDs? There are plenty of UN resolutions that go uninforced... why was it so important to enforce this one? Saddam was a threat to no one but his own people... and the US screwed them in 91 by calling them to rise up and then not supporting them. They were massacred in their thousands... the west didn't give a Fk. Turkey, a NATO member, even went into northern Iraq and killed some kurds.
Iraqs neighbours all have Chem and bio weapons capability... none of them joined except Kuwaite... what does that tell you if even his neighbours weren't scared enough to join in...

"and looking to free the Iraqi people.."

You mean like they freed the Kuwaitis.... :lol:

"Secondly, the US Is hardly an unjust and cruel occupier. The US has built schools, hospitals, repaired homes and various other things."

The Soviets did that in Afghanistan too, what is your point?

They have gone in an are going to impose a style of government the US has on an Arab country... what would happen if a muslim power invaded the US and imposed a nice fair Islamic government on the US?

"It's a f*** war, whoever thought people wouldn't suffer and die needs to take life's cold shower."

Yes, I am sure Bush and Blair went around all Iraqis and asked them if they would like to take the risk of dying or losing family members so that the US could go in and take Saddams oil from him.
If the purpose of the war really was WMDs then Saddam must have made such items mobile... in that case the situation is much worse than it was before... imagine if Osama's mates find some Sarin gas, or something just as dangerous.

[DE_Six]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/sucks5.jpg

[Jack Mehoff]

http://home.zonnet.nl/forum_spam3/thread_related/thread_sucks/images/0053.jpg

http://home.zonnet.nl/forum_spam3/thread_related/thread_sucks/images/0154.jpg

[Kingpin]

To Mr. Mehoff - links

http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews.cgi?command=viewone&id=41&database=Special%20Reports%20Hack%2edb

and also

http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews.cgi?command=viewone&id=31&database=Special%20Reports%2edb

[Kingpin]

He he.

JohnJohn

I agree about terrorists but this doesn't mean that you should kill anyone who looks suspicious. :roll:

As for "on safe" and "finger on trigger" you simple don't see one thing: you say his actions is ok because you see it everyday in US. For my country it is unacceptable to point gun at people without really serious reason even if it is on safe.

So the question is: does anyone of you think about does his actions acceptable for Iraqis whom he's "liberating"?