Bad day for Hamas

[jdbjdb]

woot woot woot woot woot woot

[Seoulstriker]

woot woot woot woot woot woot

:hug:

[AirZone]

like i said.. one by one :bash:

woot

[ArmoredDov_D9]

Let's make it a little more informative thread...

20.10.2003:

8:30 IAF warplanes have bombed a house in Sajia neigbourhood in Gaza. The house, according to IDF spokesperson was a workshop for manufacturing Qassam rockets, mortars shells and belly-charges.
Palestinian sourcrs claim the target was Hamas senior Abbedullah Shami and insist it was missed.

10:30 Short after, IAF chopers terminated two Hamas members in Gaza. The two were Haled al-Masri and Eyad al-Helo. The chopers shot missile over Hamas car loaded with rockets and weapons. Hugh blast was caused due to the weapons in the car. 3 people were killed, 2 of them were Hamas member, the 3rd is unknown. About 17 people were wounded.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031020/capt.kcf10810201409.mideats_israel_palestinians_kcf108.jpg


A Palestinian police officer collects body parts as others gather around the remains of a truck following an Israeli air strike in Gaza City Monday, Oct. 20, 2003. Israeli helicopters fired two missiles at a pickup truck in Gaza City on Monday, killing two Hamas members and wounding 12 bystanders in the second air strike in less than three hours. (AP Photo/Kevin Frayer)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031020/capt.kcf10710201240.mideats_israel_palestinians_kcf107.jpg


A Palestinian police officer collects body parts as others gather around the remains of a truck following an Israeli air strike in Gaza City Monday, Oct. 20, 2003. Israeli helicopters fired two missiles at a pickup truck in Gaza City on Monday, killing two Hamas members and wounding 12 bystanders in the second air strike in less than three hours. (AP Photo/Kevin Frayer)

11:30 An hour later, IAF bombed a weapon's warehouse in Gaza.

21:40 Two helicopter strikes in Nusirat refugee camp and in Deir el-Balah. 11 Palestinians were killed and 70 more are injured. The heli-strike was against a car with terrorist, on its way to perform terrorist operation near Kibbutz Nahal Oz. Reports claim that Imad Aqal, senior bomb-maker of Hamas, was killed in that strike.
Short after, Israeli warplanes re-bombed the bomb-factory in Nusirat in order to prevent the terrorists recover ammunition.

Note that the last strike is still in progress (i.e. casualties rates might change, no names yet).

[citizen-k]

Please don't post non-military posts in this forum.
Unless you have pictures/articles about the strikes because nobody is interested in your personal point of view.

As for todays strikes: (5 so far)
http://wwwi.*******.com/images/mdf388355.jpg

Palestinians crowd around a car after it was hit by Israeli helicopters at Nusseirat refugee camp in Gaza, October 20, 2003. Israel killed six Palestinians and wounded about 40 in a helicopter gunship attack at the Gaza camp late on Monday, hospital sources and witnesses said. Witnesses said one missile hit a car and another hit a crowd of people standing by the road. Photo by Suhaib Salem/*******


http://wwwi.*******.com/images/mdf388053.jpg

Palestinians survey the damaged after a missile strike in Gaza October 20,2003. An Israeli warplane bombed a building next to the home of an Islamic Jihad leader in the Gaza Strip, wounding at least 12 people but leaving the senior Palestinian militant unharmed. Photo by Suhaib Salem/*******

[Trident-za]

The IDF seems to have pretty good intel.....

[ArmoredDov_D9]

The IDF seems to have pretty good intel.....

Damn right woot

First photos from the area:

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031020/capt.kcf12810202206.topix_mideast_israel_palestinians_kcf128.jpg


Palestinians crowd around a car after it was attacked in an Israeli air strike in the Nusseirat refugee camp, central Gaza Strip, Monday, Oct. 20, 2003. Israeli warplanes and helicopters hit Palestinian targets in a series of strikes Monday, that killed 11 Palestinians including eight at Nusseirat refugee camp. (AP Photo/Hatem Moussa)

[NcDeuce]

Woot Woot woot

[FallenAngel]

Payback's a bitch ain't it? :D

Keep the reports rolling in.

Also...notice the silence from Washinton ;)

[Seoulstriker]

The IDF seems to have pretty good intel.....

they seem to have a real strangle-hold on Islamic Hamas and other terrorist organizations. Mossad rocks! woot

[citizen-k]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031020/capt.kcf12710202209.topix_mideast_israel_palestinians_kcf127.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031020/capt.kcf12410202217.mideast_israel_palestinians_kcf124.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031020/capt.kcf12610202217.mideast_israel_palestinians_kcf126.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031020/capt.kcf12910202218.mideast_israel_palestinians_kcf129.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031020/capt.kcf12510202216.mideast_israel_palestinians_kcf125.jpg

[citizen-k]

The IDF seems to have pretty good intel.....

they seem to have a real strangle-hold on Islamic Hamas and other terrorist organizations. Mossad rocks! woot

Shabak rocks! Mossad are only dealing things outside Israel (they give a genral overvoew about the Palestinians as part of a wider point of view though)

Shabak (Shin beit) are the guys you should not ask to borrow their cell phone ;) :



In January 1996, Israel's internal security service, or Shabak, allegedly used an exploding cell phone to assassinate Palestinian suicide bomb mastermind Yahya Ayyash, known as "The Engineer." Ayash was believed to have been responsible for at least 130 deaths in a series of suicide bombings in Israel.

http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/6163.html#story-start

[Seoulstriker]

The IDF seems to have pretty good intel.....

they seem to have a real strangle-hold on Islamic Hamas and other terrorist organizations. Mossad rocks! woot

Shabak rocks! Mossad are only dealing things outside Israel (they give a genral overvoew about the Palestinians as part of a wider point of view though)

Shabak (Shin beit) are the guys you should not ask to borrow their cell phone ;) :



In January 1996, Israel's internal security service, or Shabak, allegedly used an exploding cell phone to assassinate Palestinian suicide bomb mastermind Yahya Ayyash, known as "The Engineer." Ayash was believed to have been responsible for at least 130 deaths in a series of suicide bombings in Israel.

http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/6163.html#story-start

that cell-phone story is awesome! woot woot woot

[StarvingStudent47]

In January 1996, Israel's internal security service, or Shabak, allegedly used an exploding cell phone to assassinate Palestinian suicide bomb mastermind Yahya Ayyash, known as "The Engineer." Ayash was believed to have been responsible for at least 130 deaths in a series of suicide bombings in Israel.

http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/6163.html#story-start

I remember hearing about that in 1996. I thought it was AWESOME. Now, this isn't a loaded question, just curiousity from my end: is there a reason Israeli security forces haven't used these sorts of cloak-and-dagger assassinations more often, especially during the Second Intifada? Is it just too hard to get to the masterminds because they're more careful after Ayash's killing? Or what?

I mean, I'd love to see Sheikh Yassin sit down on an exploding toilet, or something like that. Or just be poisoned. From a civilian layperson's perspective, it seems like it might actually be just as effective as rocket attacks from Apaches (not 100% effective, but then again, neither are Apaches), and there'd be less collateral damage. Of course, I'm sure that if it was this simple, Israel would be doing it already. So I figure I'm missing something. Anyone with more experience in this area want to help me out?

[usa320]

Bad Day For Hamas


woot woot woot woot woot woot


one by one. :bash:


woot woot

http://www.x-plane.org/users/usa320/best.jpg


Best Thread Ever.

bastards got what they deserved.

[citizen-k]

In January 1996, Israel's internal security service, or Shabak, allegedly used an exploding cell phone to assassinate Palestinian suicide bomb mastermind Yahya Ayyash, known as "The Engineer." Ayash was believed to have been responsible for at least 130 deaths in a series of suicide bombings in Israel.

http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/6163.html#story-start

I remember hearing about that in 1996. I thought it was AWESOME. Now, this isn't a loaded question, just curiousity from my end: is there a reason Israeli security forces haven't used these sorts of cloak-and-dagger assassinations more often, especially during the Second Intifada? Is it just too hard to get to the masterminds because they're more careful after Ayash's killing? Or what?

I mean, I'd love to see Sheikh Yassin sit down on an exploding toilet, or something like that. Or just be poisoned. From a civilian layperson's perspective, it seems like it might actually be just as effective as rocket attacks from Apaches (not 100% effective, but then again, neither are Apaches), and there'd be less collateral damage. Of course, I'm sure that if it was this simple, Israel would be doing it already. So I figure I'm missing something. Anyone with more experience in this area want to help me out?

It's simple - in order to carry out this kind of operations a high quality of intelligence is needed, "siginat" and "huminat" (technological sources and human sources).
Until the second intifada the Israeli security agencies had access to human sources, but since it stated this access became harder and harder.
Same goes for SL, where the IDF had special intelligence units operating iside Lebanon - but today the main source for data are fax's, phone lines etc...

In order to hand someone a cell phone you don't need to know where he is - you need to have access to his relatives (and a reason for them to cooperate)

[ArmoredDov_D9]

The IDF seems to have pretty good intel.....

they seem to have a real strangle-hold on Islamic Hamas and other terrorist organizations. Mossad rocks! woot

Acctualy, it is the SHABACH who rocks...

[ArmoredDov_D9]

At least 8 Hamas members were killed in the strike.

[Mortimer]

i heard....that you guys are ****ing sick....who the **** celebrates the deaths of innocent people?.......

and i also heard that it was 3 Hamas members killed out of 10 people.....

i ****ing hope you get the bad end of a hamas bomb you ****..then we won't have to listen to your guys ****.

[Haiw]

And again a wonderfull day in the Israeli hearts & minds policy by wounding/killing more civilians than Hamas members... :roll:

RIP Civilians / bystanders

[citizen-k]

i heard....that you guys are f*** sick....who the f*** celebrates the deaths of innocent people?.......

and i also heard that it was 3 Hamas members killed out of 10 people.....

i f*** hope you get the bad end of a hamas bomb you f***..then we won't have to listen to your guys ****.

Well, as for your "blessings" about our death...hmmm... well.... rofl
I don't think Hamas members will feel comfortable staying in the same room with me... (they never did) ;)

Now for your daily reality check:

Who was happy on 9/11?



The majority of Palestinians support the deliberate murder of unarmed civilians, including children babies (see this article). Therefore, it was no surprise to see Palestinians celebrate the terrorist attacks of 9/11 and the killing of 3,000 innocent people...




http://www.factsofisrael.com/load.php?p=http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000375.html


Now, unless you have any "military" info to share with us, go play with your "suicide barbie" doll momy got you for your 12's birthday...

[Mortimer]

i heard....that you guys are f*** sick....who the f*** celebrates the deaths of innocent people?.......

and i also heard that it was 3 Hamas members killed out of 10 people.....

i f*** hope you get the bad end of a hamas bomb you f***..then we won't have to listen to your guys ****.

Well, as for your "blessings" about our death...hmmm... well.... rofl
I don't think Hamas members will feel comfortable staying in the same room with me... (they never did) ;)

Now for your daily reality check:

Who was happy on 9/11?



The majority of Palestinians support the deliberate murder of unarmed civilians, including children babies (see this article). Therefore, it was no surprise to see Palestinians celebrate the terrorist attacks of 9/11 and the killing of 3,000 innocent people...




http://www.factsofisrael.com/load.php?p=http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000375.html


Now, unless you have any "military" info to share with us, go play with your "suicide barbie" doll momy got you for your 12's birthday...

YES your as sick as them....i'm not taking sides...just saying you guys are as bad as each other..and to shut the **** up.

[citizen-k]

And again a wonderfull day in the Israeli hearts & minds policy by wounding/killing more civilians than Hamas members... :roll:

RIP Civilians / bystanders

The same goes for you - unless you have anuthing relevant to share with us you can take your "sick old pedophile arafat ken" doll and go play with your friends outside...

[Haiw]

how come everytime someone adds something u seem to totally miss the point citizen-k?

[Mortimer]

because he's a biased right wing arab hater

[citizen-k]

how come everytime someone adds something u seem to totally miss the point citizen-k?

And the point is?

This thread is about the attack of the IDF against Hamas terror organization.
Want to object innocent lives taken? blame it on those who decided to hide inside civilian neighborhoods...

Want to object terror attacks carried out in Tel-Aviv against civilians? oh, you don't? We can all just wonder why ;)

[Mortimer]

l'll just critise israel's anti terroist methods as just adding to the "cycle of violence" and wrong

hows that?

[Haiw]

how come everytime someone adds something u seem to totally miss the point citizen-k?

And the point is?

This thread is about the attack of the IDF against Hamas terror organization.
Want to object innocent lives taken? blame it on those who decided to hide inside civilian neighborhoods...

Want to object terror attacks carried out in Tel-Aviv against civilians? oh, you don't? We can all just wonder why ;)

and again you assume that by critisizing these israeli attacks i immediately approve the palestinian attacks....well, in case nobody told u before; no1 in the world (err ok, some exceptions) approves the palestinian attacks...and yea, i'm ok with taking out hamas leaders...however, when in the attack theres more civilian than hamas casualties, i think that, first, the attack is wrong, and that second, it'll propably only lead to more terrorism (or people turning into terrorists)...but hey..it's your country, your busses!

[ShotOver]

Heh, Mortimer... it really is funny how they can kill 3 hamas and leave 20 innocent men, women and children killed or wounded and still call it a "success".

How they must think, "Hrmm.. we have 1 hamas member in a car, let's sent a hellfire at it followed up by 15 2.75inch rockets to make sure, don't worry about the civilians, they are all terrorist scum."

:|

They must all have very small ****s to have to show off their power by using all these helicopters and rockets, when you said Mossad or Shabak could just sneak up behind them and slit their neck, or shoot them from a kilometer away with a highly powerfull rifle.
Sooner Israeli's prime minister carks it, the better.

[Seoulstriker]

l'll just critise israel's anti terroist methods as just adding to the "cycle of violence" and wrong

hows that?

because it's not a cycle of violence... Palestinian terrorists attack innocent Israelis, and Israel defends itself by killing those who perpetrate the terrorist attacks. If the terrorists stopped doing what they were doing (trying to kill every Jew in Israel), then there would be no violence.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I understand the emotions felt by our Israeli and palastian compadres but gloating over colalateral damage is just plain wrong. I often wonder what the reactions would have been if the UK forces used helecopter gunships and Tornados to take out Republican strongholds/leaders I think the UN would have been deployed rather quickly along with howls of protest from the US and almost every Catholic country in the world.

[citizen-k]

I understand the emotions felt by our Israeli and palastian compadres but gloating over colalateral damage is just plain wrong. I often wonder what the reactions would have been if the UK forces used helecopter gunships and Tornados to take out Republican strongholds/leaders I think the UN would have been deployed rather quickly along with howls of protest from the US and almost every Catholic country in the world.

When was the last time a bus exploded in London having 20+ deads?
How many times did it happen?
Who is governing those areas? the IDF is NOT deployed regularly inside Gaza and that is why they fire from distance.

On one hand you say "Get out of Gaza" and on the other "Don't fire from a distance"

So what will it be? you don't realy expect us to do nothing, not to get into their cities,
let them get into Israel to work (or else they will starve to death) so they can blow themselves up
in our buses, do you?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

On one hand you say "Get out of Gaza" and on the other "Don't fire from a distance"[/quote]

Did I really say that?

Does this attitude seem familiar to you "Tob shebe goyyim harog"

[Sabre]

Terrorists always hide amongst civvies.

You can't use that to dismiss your responsibility to protect innocents when carrying out antiterror operations.

I can see the headlines now...twenty-odd years ago...


Amazing success by the SAS in Princess gate this morning, all terrorists in the Iranian embassy were killed! The brilliant UK special forces called in an airstrike on the embassy, successfully killing all terrorists. Reports also cite several civillian deaths, including all the hostages.


British Army officials today praise the swift work of their men in elimintating Irish Republican terrorism. In today's action, army units passed on the grid reference of the geographical centre of Ireland to the Royal Navy ICBM submarine fleet. Almost all IRA and related terrorists are believed to have been killed when eight nuclear bombs were detonated above Ireland. Some civillians are also reported injured, possibly killed.

Have your nice day...the dead civvies won't.

[Seoulstriker]

Terrorists always hide amongst civvies.

You can't use that to dismiss your responsibility to protect innocents when carrying out antiterror operations.

I can see the headlines now...twenty-odd years ago...


Amazing success by the SAS in Princess gate this morning, all terrorists in the Iranian embassy were killed! The brilliant UK special forces called in an airstrike on the embassy, successfully killing all terrorists. Reports also cite several civillian deaths, including all the hostages.


British Army officials today praise the swift work of their men in elimintating Irish Republican terrorism. In today's action, army units passed on the grid reference of the geographical centre of Ireland to the Royal Navy ICBM submarine fleet. Almost all IRA and related terrorists were believed to be killed when eight nuclear bombs were detonated above Ireland. Some civillians are also reported injured, possibly killed.

Have your nice day...the dead civvies won't.

could you please resize your avatar? thanks :)


when eight nuclear bombs were detonated above Ireland.

that would NEVER happen. ;)

[Sabre]

Awwww. But it was a BIG tank...spoilsport.



that would NEVER happen.

That's the point, we wouldn't do that. Now ask yourself who now has 'their' terrorist group disarming?

Food for thought.

[Seoulstriker]

Awwww. But it was a BIG tank...spoilsport.



that would NEVER happen.

That's the point, we wouldn't do that. Now ask yourself who now has 'their' terrorist group disarming?

Food for thought.

Hood resized my avatar and saved it on the server... maybe you could PM Hood. :)

has the IRA done much terrorist activity lately?

[pinkeye]

l'll just critise israel's anti terroist methods as just adding to the "cycle of violence" and wrong

hows that?

because it's not a cycle of violence... Palestinian terrorists attack innocent Israelis, and Israel defends itself by killing those who perpetrate the terrorist attacks. If the terrorists stopped doing what they were doing (trying to kill every Jew in Israel), then there would be no violence.

of course it's a cycle of violence. one side kills, the other responds in kind, and so on and so forth. we don't know who started the killing, but we sure as hell know that's it not going to end any time soon. sucks to be a civilian, israeli and palestinian.

[AirZone]

bla bla bla...
if you want to talk about human rights go to some peace activists forum, not Militaryphotos forum..

BTW did i told you we are talking about MILITARY ? its never shiny and nice and cool hi-tec ****
it also kills, and i sure am happy the kiled thel Hamas terrorists. i dont care about the civilans.. soz but they want to kill my family and you know the rest.. so **** them really. :roll:


btw what did the world said when the russian bombed the **** outta checina ? or about afaganistan.. or iraq
so pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...
if you dont like it, your problem.

after all its a MILITARY forum
:cantbeli:


and you are saying we are whining all the time.. :roll:

[Haiw]

i dont care about the civilans.. soz but they want to kill my family and you know the rest.. so f*** them really. :roll:
i don't think this quote needs any explaining...

some 'summarizing-words'
-bull****iotic generalisations
-boundaryless stupidity
-good example of how this conflict manages to drag on so long...

[pinkeye]

bla bla bla...
if you want to talk about human rights go to some peace activists forum, not Militaryphotos forum..

BTW did i told you we are talking about MILITARY ? its never shiny and nice and cool hi-tec ****
it also kills, and i sure am happy the kiled thel Hamas terrorists. i dont care about the civilans.. soz but they want to kill my family and you know the rest.. so f*** them really. :roll:


btw what did the world said when the russian bombed the **** outta checina ? or about afaganistan.. or iraq
so pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...
if you dont like it, your problem.

after all its a MILITARY forum
:cantbeli:


and you are saying we are whining all the time.. :roll:

what the hell are you talking about? expressing sympathy for civilians, regardless of nationality, is wrong? you don't care about civilians? great attitude mate. you're not terribly intelligent nor compassionate. you are no different than those idiots in hamas 'cause you don't give a toss about anyone but yourself.

[Seoulstriker]

l'll just critise israel's anti terroist methods as just adding to the "cycle of violence" and wrong

hows that?

because it's not a cycle of violence... Palestinian terrorists attack innocent Israelis, and Israel defends itself by killing those who perpetrate the terrorist attacks. If the terrorists stopped doing what they were doing (trying to kill every Jew in Israel), then there would be no violence.

of course it's a cycle of violence. one side kills, the other responds in kind, and so on and so forth. we don't know who started the killing, but we sure as hell know that's it not going to end any time soon. sucks to be a civilian, israeli and palestinian.

the Israelis are acting on self-defense. when they kill terrorists, they are defending themselves. the only thing that needs to stop the 'cycle of violence' is the terrorists to stop attacking. they are the attackers. Israel should never have the responsibility of stopping what it is doing because they are acting in defense.

[ArmoredDov_D9]

Updates and clearups:

At about 21:30-22:00 o'clock, a car full with Hamas terrorist tried to infilirate Kibbutz Nahal Oz. However, IDF patrol saw them and opened fire, killing 2 terrorists. The rest entered the car and fled to Nusirat refugee camp, where they were spotted by a helicopter who shot 2 missile on the car. An IAF UAV documented the strike and prooved there were no civilians around the car when the second missile hit it. The UAV video was broadcast in the Israeli television channel 2 News.
Palestinian reported on 12-14 dead. At least 7 of them were Hamas terrorists on a suicide terrorism mission.



http://www.haaretz.com/hasite/images/iht_daily/D211003/mazlat147e_211003tv.jpg



צילומי מזל"ט של חיל האוויר ששודרו בערוץ 2 הפריכו את טענות הפלשתינים על טבח וטיל שנורה על עשרות אזרחים בתקיפת המסק"רים אתמול בערב במחנה הפליטים נוסיראת. ברגע הירי וכן ברגע הפגיעה, לא היו המוני אזרחים סביב המכונית. השטח היה ריק כמעט לחלוטין. ערוץ 2 מדווח על 12 הרוגים, לפחות 7 מהם מחבלי חמאס שהיו "פצצות מתקתקות". השמות של מוחמד דף ועימאד עקאל (מהנדס בכיר בחמאס) לא היו בין שמות ההרוגים שהקריאו הפלשתינאים, כנראה שהם לא נהרגו בפעולה - שכוונה כנגד פצצות מתקתקות ולא הייתה חיסול מתוכנן מראש.

More information: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/351965.html

[Seoulstriker]

Updates and clearups:

At about 21:30-22:00 o'clock, a car full with Hamas terrorist tried to infilirate Kibbutz Nahal Oz. However, IDF patrol saw them and opened fire, killing 2 terrorists. The rest entered the car and fled to Nusirat refugee camp, where they were spotted by a helicopter who shot 2 missile on the car. An IAF UAV documented the strike and prooved there were no civilians around the car when the second missile hit it. The UAV video was broadcast in the Israeli television channel 2 News.
There are about 12-14 dead, at least 7 of them were Hamas terrorist on a suicide terrorism mission.

צילומי מזל"ט של החי"א ששודרו בערוץ 2 הפריכו את טענות הפלשתינים על טבח וטיל שנורה על עשרות אזרחים בתקיפת המסק"רים אתמול בערב במכנה הפליטים נוסיראת. ערוץ 2 מדווח על 12 הרוגים, לפחות 7 מהם מחבלי חמאס שהיו "פצצות מתקתקות".

woot

[Sabre]

bla bla bla...
if you want to talk about human rights go to some peace activists forum, not Militaryphotos forum..

BTW did i told you we are talking about MILITARY ? its never shiny and nice and cool hi-tec ****
it also kills, and i sure am happy the kiled thel Hamas terrorists. i dont care about the civilans.. soz but they want to kill my family and you know the rest.. so f*** them really.


btw what did the world said when the russian bombed the **** outta checina ? or about afaganistan.. or iraq
so pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...
if you dont like it, your problem.

after all its a MILITARY forum



and you are saying we are whining all the time..



Who handled the terrorists in Northern Ireland?

Oh yes, the F***ING BRITISH ARMY!!! :cantbeli:

I usually don't reply like this but I've had a bad day (GNER and their S**t admin)

What a knobber. This is the reason the IDF are crap. The only real situation they have to deal with is Palistinian terrorism and they have failed. Why? Because of your attitude. In reality, you're all bigotted and would rather the palistinians terrorists kept on killing some of you because then you can keep on killing them. For this reason you take any oportunity to kill and bomb people yourselves, rather than taking a measured approach.

The fact that you don't care just shows you're a fascist. I doubt that the civilians killed really want your family dead. Although their families might want you dead now (see how that works?). Go put your jackboots on and prance around, shouting your rhetoric, if it makes you feel better.

:bash:

I challenge you now, any Israeli out there, name one thing, one tactic the IDF has used to try and gain the support of the ordinary palistinian.

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The reason the MILITARY is needed for these sort of operations is because they are used to being in hard places, are quick to use their judgment and ultimately can threaten the 'big stick'.

That doesn't mean they ride around in tanks and mow down kids throwing stones. It means they put themselves in the line of fire (you know, like in war...oh no, you don't, I forgot, you stick to bombing populated cities from 15,000 ft)

Our troops put themselves in MORE danger by patrolling the streets of NI, talking to locals and listening to their problems. These were fed back up the chain and something would be done to address them, showing that we were on their side. A lot our soldiers were killed doing this as it gave IRA snipers a better chance to strike. But it also built bridges to the community on both sides. It was the security forces that won.

We could have blown the IRA into the stoneage but we didn't (there were many times, like this with the hamas guys, where IRA men were seen but not engaged). We gained respect of the locals which cut off the terrorists means of support, reducing them to having to threaten locals into helping them. From then on they just became gangs doing blackmail and punishment beatings and are now (supposedly) disarming.

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Seoulstriker: No, there have been no recent IRA attacks, mainly due to new peace initiatives but also due to 9/11 making a lot of their Irish-american financers lie low. (seems they can fund terrorism but not take it)

there have been recent reports of the IRA selling their guns on to inner-city gangs in Britain. This co-incides to an increase in gun crime generally in the UK.

[ArmoredDov_D9]

I challenge you now, any Israeli out there, name one thing, one tactic the IDF has used to try and gain the support of the ordinary palistinian.

1. Humanitarian aid.
2. Restoring security to Nablus which was torn apart by a murderous inner-Palestinian gangs war.
3. IDF forces secured Palestinians farmers on olive pickups.

[Sabre]

Fair enough, I was quite p***ed off with the other fellows post.

But you see, this is outweighed by the violence on both sides and is not recognised.

What was really needed was an earlier NI-style intervention, it's far too late for that now. But there needs to be an new initiative.

BTW: Good taste in music. (3 fav bands in 'off topic and humour')

p-)

[pinkeye]

l'll just critise israel's anti terroist methods as just adding to the "cycle of violence" and wrong

hows that?

because it's not a cycle of violence... Palestinian terrorists attack innocent Israelis, and Israel defends itself by killing those who perpetrate the terrorist attacks. If the terrorists stopped doing what they were doing (trying to kill every Jew in Israel), then there would be no violence.

of course it's a cycle of violence. one side kills, the other responds in kind, and so on and so forth. we don't know who started the killing, but we sure as hell know that's it not going to end any time soon. sucks to be a civilian, israeli and palestinian.

the Israelis are acting on self-defense. when they kill terrorists, they are defending themselves. the only thing that needs to stop the 'cycle of violence' is the terrorists to stop attacking. they are the attackers. Israel should never have the responsibility of stopping what it is doing because they are acting in defense.

i understand what you are trying to say, but the palestinians could simply retort that they are merely responding to israeli aggression. if hamas, islamic jihad, et al. advocate the destruction of the jewish state, then that is a different kettle of fish, but not every palestinian is a member of said groups. they may support them, but considering the wide range of problems the average palestinian must struggle with on a daily basis (e.g. unemployment, grinding poverty, the daily violence, perceived and tangible israeli aggression) who can honestly blame them? this problem is not inherent to the palestinians. take catholics in northern ireland, for example. not all supported the tactics of the ira, but it's pretty damn easy to fall into the trap when loyalist forces kill your brother. it's a knee-jerk reaction. one side does something to piss off the other, people die. it can be blowing up a bus, targeted assassinations, expanding territories, daily harassment, demolished homes, strafed settler cars, etc. any and all excuses are good for killing. and that's a load of bollocks.
like i said, we don't know how the killing started, and no one ever will. some blame sharon for sparking the second intifada due to his infamous visit to the temple mount (correct me if i am wrong?), while others say arafat and palestinian extremist groups are to blame. crimes are being committed on both sides, to the detriment of jewish and palestinian civilians. i don't care what anyone says, but the fact that children on both sides are continually being maimed and killed cannot be justified.

terrorism must be crushed, but we should not take joy in the taking of lives, as some on this board clearly do. lives will be lost, and that's the price we (as in those that enjoy and promote freedom) have to pay to protect ourselves, but let's not celebrate such a grim task. our respect for human life and dignity should be what separates us from the bad guys.

[FallenAngel]

I challenge you now, any Israeli out there, name one thing, one tactic the IDF has used to try and gain the support of the ordinary palistinian.

I'm not Israeli, but here's a few...

Not shutting off the water supply to the Palestinians.
Not blowing up entire towns just to get the terrorists hiding there
Withstanding lots of abuse by Palestinians while holding their own fire
Giving warning before they DO return fire
Trying to put some responsiblity into the hands of the PA
Giving the PA several chances to stop terrorism itself
Giving the PA an offer back in 2000 (right?) for over 90 percent of the West Bank and Gaza for their own (they refused)

Again, I am not Israeli, so I might have missed a few ;)

[StarvingStudent47]

terrorism must be crushed, but we should not take joy in the taking of lives, as some on this board clearly do. lives will be lost, and that's the price we (as in those that enjoy and promote freedom) have to pay to protect ourselves, but let's not celebrate such a grim task. our respect for human life and dignity should be what separates us from the bad guys.

That's not how the world works though. Who in 1945 said "let's not celebrate the deaths of Wehrmacht and SS soldiers, but respect human life and dignity to prevent ourselves from being bad guys." That's right, NOBODY.

I celebrated when we killed Timothy McVeigh, and nobody called me callous for that. And I'm gonna do the same thing when some Hamas murderers get capped.

[citizen-k]

You can start dancing, the IDF just entered Ramallah and it looks like there is going to be a shortage of virgins in heaven tonight... rofl

http://www.aljazeera.net/mritems/images/2003/10/21/1_181577_1_6.jpg

[citizen-k]

I challenge you now, any Israeli out there, name one thing, one tactic the IDF has used to try and gain the support of the ordinary palistinian.

I'm not Israeli, but here's a few...

Not shutting off the water supply to the Palestinians.
Not blowing up entire towns just to get the terrorists hiding there
Withstanding lots of abuse by Palestinians while holding their own fire
Giving warning before they DO return fire
Trying to put some responsiblity into the hands of the PA
Giving the PA several chances to stop terrorism itself
Giving the PA an offer back in 2000 (right?) for over 90 percent of the West Bank and Gaza for their own (they refused)

Again, I am not Israeli, so I might have missed a few ;)

One correction, during 2000 over 90% of Palestinians ALREADY WERE under the PA government.

so what freedom were they fighting for? :cantbeli:

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Here is an insight in how the IDF conducts hearts and minds operations.

12th November 2000 Bulldozers uproot 35 olive trees near the village of Haris, West Bank in order to make way for a bypass road to meet the Trans Samaria highway.

14th November 2001 IDF bulldozers uproot 1500 olive trees at the entrance to Haris.

Also in 1982 land bellonging to the villagers of Haris, West Bank was confiscated by Israel, not as a buffer zone but to make way for the Burqan industrial area. An illegal settelment was set up on part of Burqan.

There has been many more incidents like the ones above, the old excuse of we need a buffer zone does not wash anymore all you do is build on the land. Israel do not help by allowing more people to go up to the land.

BTW Are Reform Jews allowed to return.

[budanski]

IDF video contradicts claims bystanders killed in Gaza raids
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/ShTickers.html
By Arnon Regular, Haaretz Correspondent, Haaretz Service and Agencies

Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat on
Tuesday urged world leaders to take immediate
action over Israeli helicopter gunship strikes
that killed 14 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip
Monday.

Army Radio on Tuesday evening
quoted military sources as
saying that seven of the 14
Palestinians killed in the
air strikes were positively
identified as Hamas
operatives. The other
casualties were believed to
be non-combatants.

According to video footage provided by the IDF,
the target areas of at least two of the air
force raids were empty of Palestinian
bystanders at the time of the missile strikes.

In the video - filmed by a remote-control
pilotless-plane flying above Gaza and screened
on Israeli television news programs Tuesday
evening - viewers were unable to see any
bystanders in the area near the targeted
warehouse and vehicle.

In his first public comments on the air raids,
Arafat did not specify what international
action he sought. But he told reporters that
world leaders, including the Quartet of powers
trying to secure a peace agreement, should
"immediately intervene to stop this military
madness in which they aim to destroy the Holy
Land and this steadfast people."

Israeli security forces remained on high alert
Tuesday for threatened terror attacks by Hamas
and the Islamic Jihad in retaliation for the
unprecedented wave of five IAF helicopter
assaults throughout the day Monday.

In a statement released in Beirut Monday, the
leaders of Hamas and Islamic Jihad pledged to
retaliate for Israel's attacks on
Palestinians.

"The two movements agreed to confront the
Zionist aggression on our people in Palestine
and to urge all (Palestinian) factions and
resistance forces to coordinate among each
other to confront this aggression," the
statement said.

National Infrastructure Minister Yosef Paritzky
said Tuesday that Israel should apologize for
the civilian casualties and compensate the
victims, Israel Radio reported.

Asked Tuesday about the civilian casualties in
IAF raids, Deputy Defense Minister Ze'ev Boim
said: "the murderous Hamas and Jihad terrorism
nests deep within the civilian population. Some
of this population - and I emphasize, some -
collaborates and aids these murderous
organizations.

"Not all are innocent there, certainly not those
who store lathes (for producing Qassam rockets)
and weaponry, bombs, and Qassams in their
homes," Boim told Israel Radio, adding that
"some of them also receive good money for this.
This is also true of the (arms-smuggling)
tunnels in Rafah."

Army spokeswoman, Brig. Gen. Ruth Yaron, told
Army Radio that "the primary responsibility of
the IDF is to defend Israeli citizens. The
blood of the victims in Gaza is on the hands of
the terrorists."

Yaron added that "we were forced to stop the car
and capture the terrorists who were in it. To
our great regret, civilians were also hit
during the strike, but anyone who flees into a
densely populated area put the population at
risk."

During three years of violence, Israeli air
strikes in Gaza have caused dozens of civilian
casualties. In April, an air attack killed
Hamas leader Said Arabeed and eight other
people. In July 2002, 15 people were killed,
including nine children, in an air strike that
targeted another Hamas leader, Salah Shehadeh.

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, addressing the
Knesset Monday, said there would be no let-up
in the campaign against militant Palestinian
groups.

"The Israeli military will continue to act to
foil terror attacks, capture murderers and
liquidate terror organizations," Sharon
declared.

The Palestinian Authority declared a state of
emergency Monday night, citing supply shortages
in Gaza hospitals.

The IDF said Monday that the attacks were
carried out due to the large number of Qassam
rockets fired recently from the Gaza Strip into
Israel, and not as a response to the killing of
three soldiers on Sunday near Ofra, a West Bank
settlement located in the Ramallah area.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasite/images/iht_daily/D211003/mazlat147e_211003tv.jpg
IDF video showing scene of helicopter missile strike on mostly empty street in Gaza Strip on Monday.

[pinkeye]

terrorism must be crushed, but we should not take joy in the taking of lives, as some on this board clearly do. lives will be lost, and that's the price we (as in those that enjoy and promote freedom) have to pay to protect ourselves, but let's not celebrate such a grim task. our respect for human life and dignity should be what separates us from the bad guys.

That's not how the world works though. Who in 1945 said "let's not celebrate the deaths of Wehrmacht and SS soldiers, but respect human life and dignity to prevent ourselves from being bad guys." That's right, NOBODY.

I celebrated when we killed Timothy McVeigh, and nobody called me callous for that. And I'm gonna do the same thing when some Hamas murderers get capped.

i don't think there were celebrations highlighting the deaths of wehrmacht and ss soldiers. people were celebrating the end of the war, not the fact that they had killed x-number of germans, etc. i don't where you get your history from, but the allies were dragged into the war. only sick bastards look forward to killing others. many of my relatives fought and some died in ww2 (in addition to many conflicts over the course of the last few hundred years) and they all hated killing others, but it had to be done. most refused to even discuss the matter.
who the hell celebrates death? only those with serious psychological problems...

[citizen-k]

who the hell celebrates death? only those with serious psychological problems...

Hmm...
If I'm not mistaken those who love nothing better then blood are...PALESTINIANS....
(The happiest day in the Palestinian history was 9/11)

I guess you are one of those who find reality a little bit confusing sometimes.

[pinkeye]

who the hell celebrates death? only those with serious psychological problems...

Hmm...
If I'm not mistaken those who love nothing better then blood are...PALESTINIANS....
(The happiest day in the Palestinian history was 9/11)

I guess you are one of those who find reality a little bit confusing sometimes.

sheesh, you make no sense whatsoever. what the hell are you talking about?
i wrote that people who celebrate death are sick. this gets translated into "you are confused about reality"? wtf? this is beyong nonsensical.

and you know for a fact that every single palestinian celebrated 9/11? way to make sweeping generalisations. how the hell are you different from any extremist moron who can't see past his own nose? you are so damn narrow-minded it's sickening. no wonder the bloody war will never end 'cause it's people like you who refuse to hate for even a second.

[ArmoredDov_D9]

terrorism must be crushed, but we should not take joy in the taking of lives, as some on this board clearly do. lives will be lost, and that's the price we (as in those that enjoy and promote freedom) have to pay to protect ourselves, but let's not celebrate such a grim task. our respect for human life and dignity should be what separates us from the bad guys.

That's not how the world works though. Who in 1945 said "let's not celebrate the deaths of Wehrmacht and SS soldiers, but respect human life and dignity to prevent ourselves from being bad guys." That's right, NOBODY.

I celebrated when we killed Timothy McVeigh, and nobody called me callous for that. And I'm gonna do the same thing when some Hamas murderers get capped.

i don't think there were celebrations highlighting the deaths of wehrmacht and ss soldiers. people were celebrating the end of the war, not the fact that they had killed x-number of germans, etc. i don't where you get your history from, but the allies were dragged into the war. only sick bastards look forward to killing others. many of my relatives fought and some died in ww2 (in addition to many conflicts over the course of the last few hundred years) and they all hated killing others, but it had to be done. most refused to even discuss the matter.
who the hell celebrates death? only those with serious psychological problems...

We do not celebrate the deaths of civilians. We celebrate the fact that a Jew-killer will murder no more.

[pinkeye]

who the hell celebrates death? only those with serious psychological problems...

Hmm...
If I'm not mistaken those who love nothing better then blood are...PALESTINIANS....
(The happiest day in the Palestinian history was 9/11)

I guess you are one of those who find reality a little bit confusing sometimes.

sheesh, you make no sense whatsoever. what the hell are you talking about?
i wrote that people who celebrate death are sick. this gets translated into "you are confused about reality"? wtf? this is beyond nonsensical.

and you know for a fact that every single palestinian celebrated 9/11? way to make sweeping generalisations. how the hell are you different from any extremist moron who can't see past his own nose? you are so damn narrow-minded it's sickening. no wonder the bloody war will never end 'cause it's people like you who refuse to hate for even a second.

[pinkeye]

We do not celebrate the deaths of civilians. We celebrate the fact that a Jew-killer will murder no more.[/quote]

maybe it's a question of semantics, but celebrating killing another human being, regardless of who he or she is, is messed-up. relieved perhaps, but celebrating would just prove how callous and stupid people can be. way to be just like the people you claim to hate.

[AirZone]

We do not celebrate the deaths of civilians. We celebrate the fact that a Jew-killer will murder no more.

maybe it's a question of semantics, but celebrating killing another human being, regardless of who he or she is, is messed-up. relieved perhaps, but celebrating would just prove how callous and stupid people can be. way to be just like the people you claim to hate.[/quote]

lets say some one is on thier way to kill one of your family.. wouldnt you be happy if he dies before he does it ?

[UoUo]

Celebrate death of terorist is just fine.

[AirZone]

about the civilan... yes its awful but hell it happens around the world everyday so stop being so navie.. gosh, reality sucks.. face it..
i know i did when people i knew blow up in a bus (haifa.. "kav 37" a girl from my school)

anyway what i was talking about
stop whining about what IDF does (and a pretty good job.. if our goverment had the guts like usa this conflict would be over long time ago)
its a military site.. lets talk about the military aspects (you said it by yourself right ? so its kinda funny you now complain and whine :roll:)

anyway.. i dont want civilans to die
but if YOU could choose between some people that want you dead instand of your family or people you know.. i think you would have chosen to save your family.. am i right?

and yeah.. war sucks..
but atm we cant really do some thing... if we will stop doing some thing against the terrorists.. i dont think there will be a jewish state any longer (i bet all the jewish haters would be soo happy to see it.. but uhh i dont think so :bash:)

and btw like people said
we were very human to the palastines when you think about the conditions

and yeah OUR soliders did die to palastines snipers when they entered a town and didnt send airstrike to bomb some weapon factory...

anyway.. STOP WHINING
its annoying

like sucks.. get used to it
and try to make the best of it :hug:

[ArmoredDov_D9]

[queote="ArmouredDov_D9"]We do not celebrate the deaths of civilians. We celebrate the fact that a Jew-killer will murder no more.

maybe it's a question of semantics, but celebrating killing another human being, regardless of who he or she is, is messed-up. relieved perhaps, but celebrating would just prove how callous and stupid people can be. way to be just like the people you claim to hate.[/quote]

I don't know about you, but I would be very happy if a suicide bomber that was about to blown up in the main bus line of my city was killed in the outskirts of Jenin and his evil scheme was thwarted.

I'm not going to mourn upon those who try to slaughter us. I'm happy that the IDF made sure that they will never fullfil their evil murderous plots to massacre me and my family and my people.

[StarvingStudent47]

i don't think there were celebrations highlighting the deaths of wehrmacht and ss soldiers. people were celebrating the end of the war, not the fact that they had killed x-number of germans, etc. i don't where you get your history from, but the allies were dragged into the war. only sick bastards look forward to killing others. many of my relatives fought and some died in ww2 (in addition to many conflicts over the course of the last few hundred years) and they all hated killing others, but it had to be done. most refused to even discuss the matter.
who the hell celebrates death? only those with serious psychological problems...

Just because we were forced into war doesn't mean we don't celebrate victory. This happened on a large-scale (VJ-Day and VE-Day) as well as on a small scale (GIs collecting souveniers, like Hitler Youth knives and Wehrmacht helmets from the Nazis they killed). If you believe that the guys that took Normandy and Okinawa weren't happy to annihilate the enemy troops that had killed so many of their comrades, you're naive.

In interviews, Audie Murphy never expressed an ounce of grief over the "Krauts" he killed. He even spoke about many of the encounters with tongue-in-cheek humor. Why? Nazis were evil, and he had every right to fight back against German soldiers as hard as he could. It was no stain on his soul to do so.

An Audie Murphy quote:

“I loved that artillery,” Murphy recalled. “I could see Kraut soldiers disappear in clouds of smoke and snow, hear them scream and shout, yet they came on and on as though nothing would stop them.” (source (http://history1900s.about.com/library/prm/blonemanstandatholtzwihr1.htm))

Are you prepared to say that Audie Murphy was a sick person with no morals, because he rejoiced in the deaths of the Nazis who were attacking him?

http://www.veteranshour.com/audie.jpg

[usa320]

....who the f*** celebrates the deaths of innocent people

1. Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)
2. Abu Sayyaf Group

3. Armed Islamic Group (GIA)

4. Aum Shinrikyo

5. Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA)

6. Gama'a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group)

7. HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement)

8. Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)

9. Hizballah (Party of God)

10. Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU)

11. al-Jihad (Egyptian Islamic Jihad)

12. Kahane Chai (Kach)

13. Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)

14. Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)

15. Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK)

16. National Liberation Army (ELN)

17. Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)

18. Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)

19. Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)

20. PFLP-General Command (PFLP-GC)

21. al-Qa'ida

22. Real IRA

23. Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)

24. Revolutionary Nuclei (formerly ELA)

25. Revolutionary Organization 17 November

26. Revolutionary People's Liberation Army/Front (DHKP/C)

27. Shining Path (Sendero Luminoso, SL)

28. United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC) \





Any Questions?

I for one celebrate the death of terrorist assholes. Good Riddance...

And Mortimer, you suck worst than one of those Oreck Vaccuum cleaners.

You suck worse than a plucostimus on the bottom of my **** filled fish bowl.

Go to hell.

[Seoulstriker]

....who the f*** celebrates the deaths of innocent people

1. Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)
2. Abu Sayyaf Group

3. Armed Islamic Group (GIA)

4. Aum Shinrikyo

5. Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA)

6. Gama'a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group)

7. HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement)

8. Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)

9. Hizballah (Party of God)

10. Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU)

11. al-Jihad (Egyptian Islamic Jihad)

12. Kahane Chai (Kach)

13. Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)

14. Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)

15. Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK)

16. National Liberation Army (ELN)

17. Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)

18. Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)

19. Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)

20. PFLP-General Command (PFLP-GC)

21. al-Qa'ida

22. Real IRA

23. Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)

24. Revolutionary Nuclei (formerly ELA)

25. Revolutionary Organization 17 November

26. Revolutionary People's Liberation Army/Front (DHKP/C)

27. Shining Path (Sendero Luminoso, SL)

28. United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC) \





Any Questions?

I for one celebrate the death of terrorist assholes. Good Riddance...

And Mortimer, you suck worst than one of those Oreck Vaccuum cleaners.

You suck worse than a plucostimus on the bottom of my **** filled fish bowl.

Go to hell.

woot woot woot

[Mortimer]

you guys are pathetic.....usa your like 15...how the hell are you supposed to know anything? grow up a bit and learn a bit more about the world.

has for you Israeli's who are totally adament its totally up to the palestinians to stop it, i pity you.

Seoulstriker, for someone so 'educated' you show a real apathetic attitude and i also feel sorry for you.

[Argyll]

1. Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)
2. Abu Sayyaf Group

3. Armed Islamic Group (GIA)

4. Aum Shinrikyo

5. Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA)

6. Gama'a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group)

7. HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement)

8. Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)

9. Hizballah (Party of God)

10. Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU)

11. al-Jihad (Egyptian Islamic Jihad)

12. Kahane Chai (Kach)

13. Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)

14. Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)

15. Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK)

16. National Liberation Army (ELN)

17. Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)

18. Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)

19. Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)

20. PFLP-General Command (PFLP-GC)

21. al-Qa'ida

22. Real IRA

23. Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)

24. Revolutionary Nuclei (formerly ELA)

25. Revolutionary Organization 17 November

26. Revolutionary People's Liberation Army/Front (DHKP/C)

27. Shining Path (Sendero Luminoso, SL)

28. United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC) \



Tell me USA out of all these terrorist orginisations ,how many are the US involved in Direct Action against?
These are only 28 orginisations,there are plenty more,now you can see just how difficult it will be to try and win the "War on Terror",if not impossible,and not in our lifetimes!!You can't pick and chooses what ones to strike against,they ALL need taken out!!

[Sabre]

Who celebrates death? Look no further than this forum:

Citizen K:


You can start dancing, the IDF just entered Ramallah and it looks like there is going to be a shortage of virgins in heaven tonight...

But then...



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pinkeye wrote:

who the hell celebrates death? only those with serious psychological problems...


Hmm...
If I'm not mistaken those who love nothing better then blood are...PALESTINIANS....
(The happiest day in the Palestinian history was 9/11)


Citizen K, does that not make you a hypocrite? By your logic, you are a Palistinian.

FallenAngel:


Not shutting off the water supply to the Palestinians.
Not blowing up entire towns just to get the terrorists hiding there
Withstanding lots of abuse by Palestinians while holding their own fire
Giving warning before they DO return fire
Trying to put some responsiblity into the hands of the PA
Giving the PA several chances to stop terrorism itself
Giving the PA an offer back in 2000 (right?) for over 90 percent of the West Bank and Gaza for their own (they refused)


I still have yet to see a reasonable example of how the IDF (not the Israeli government) has tried to 'build bridges'.

Not cutting off water and shouting before gunning down kids throwing stones is not the best way to win their hearts and minds.

How can a palistinian trust the Israelis when what they see of them is from the wrong side of a Galil?

[WARPIG]

Don't make the mistake of trying to hold anyone on the Gaza strip to the moral expectations that the US Army has at present day. If you think about it.. as much macho posturing as we do when talking about our combat ops in Afghanistan or Iraq or any other recent theaters, we haven't been in combat with someone we truly hated for a long time. The Israelis and Palestinians have hated each other for ever. Even worse.. their hatred is founded in religion. Hated combatant and hated bystander seems like a pretty big grey area.
I'm not saying that any of it is right. I am saying that we can all justify or judge all we want but none of us were in those situations.
Food for thought. If all the terrorists responsible for things like 9-11 were from Canada... would you say Michigan and Wisconsin would be pretty hot areas of conflict? If the people we despise and hate lived next door.. and we saw them every day.. what state of mind would we be in?? We still have a little bloodlust from 9-11.. imagine if compound that with generations of hatred, religious conflict, and live in the same place!

Stupid things are bound to happen.

[budanski]

Food for thought. If all the terrorists responsible for things like 9-11 were from Canada... would you say Michigan and Wisconsin would be pretty hot areas of conflict? If the people we despise and hate lived next door.. and we saw them every day.. what state of mind would we be in?? We still have a little bloodlust from 9-11.. imagine if compound that with generations of hatred, religious conflict, and live in the same place!

Stupid things are bound to happen.

What do you mean IF? ;)

[Seoulstriker]

Seoulstriker, for someone so 'educated' you show a real apathetic attitude and i also feel sorry for you.

i was happy because USA320 listed all of the terrorist groups that celebrate innocent civilians being killed.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I very much doubt our respective governments are going to pursue very many of the groups on the above list, lets face it were not going to carry out operations against Kahane Chai who are based in Israel, France and the US. And the IRA still rattle the tin cup in Boston, MA what punishment for them, and are we not already in league with the Kurds of Norhten Iraq the very brothers in arms of the PKK. :|

[Anzac]

This is so pathetic, using your logic that a few dozens of civilian bystanders dead from your airstrkes is ok.. Then perhaps we should also lean to live with a few dozen civillian jews dead for each bus targeted or every resturant bombed out.. or? Both sides target civilians and both sides try to win political points for showing the destruction..

And DONT try to say that IDF isnt targeting civilians..
A friend of mine "worked" as a human shield in gaza and she have seen with her own eyes the tactics used by the idf.

[UoUo]

http://www.idf.il/newsite/movies/20_10_03_Strike_Heb.asf


:bash:

The true.

Now. all the proteror will tell "propoganda!!!!!" :cantbeli:

[usa320]

Tell me USA out of all these terrorist orginisations ,how many are the US involved in Direct Action against?
These are only 28 orginisations,there are plenty more,now you can see just how difficult it will be to try and win the "War on Terror",if not impossible,and not in our lifetimes!!You can't pick and chooses what ones to strike against,they ALL need taken out!!

I cant give you a absolute answer, but i think it would be safe to assume we are taking some type of offensive actions against at least half of them.

[Grim]

A bad day for Hamas(and any terrorist organization) is a good day for the rest of the free democratic world! I think USA has to stop it's solo act, Dont' think it's possible to win the War on Terror alone. You need allies to share manpower and inntelligence!
United against terrorism, united for peace.

[StarvingStudent47]

I very much doubt our respective governments are going to pursue very many of the groups on the above list, lets face it were not going to carry out operations against Kahane Chai who are based in Israel, France and the US.

The USA doesn't have to worry about Kahane Chai (Kach) because ISRAEL IS ALREADY TAKING CARE OF THEM. Israeli counter-terror forces have foiled most of their attacks (against both Palestinians and other Israelis), and Kach terrorists can look forward to long prison sentences in Israeli jails. Israel treats Kach with the same ruthlessness that the USA treats Tim McVeigh, Ted Kazynski, Eric Rudolph, etc. So there is no reason for anyone else to get involved.

[jdbjdb]

Until the Palestinian Authority disarms the militants, they must be persued relentlesly.

[Mortimer]

Until the Palestinian Authority disarms the militants, they must be persued relentlesly.

you forgot to add, "no matter what it takes, even the killing of innocent people"

[jdbjdb]

even the killing of innocent people
Innocent civilians are not the entended target, percaustions should be taken to protect the innocent lives, but are they innocent? women and children also take part in sucide attacks aganist Israel. Palestinians will not accomplish their goals through a campaign of terror. As for Yassin, his apartment building should be surrounded by the IDF, and starve them out, and at the same time keep the militants preocuppied, in other areas.

[Mortimer]

they're all out to get you dood, kill em all!

[jdbjdb]

they're all out to get you dood, kill em all!

what?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

StarvigStudent47 while I respect the fact that Shin Bet has taken on the Kach, I would doubt that they have had any real effect on them, the reason that they made it on to US State Dept. Public Notice 4501 is that they pose a danger to the US and her allies and for no other reason. Shin Bet has admitted in the past that it is not always that easy to infiltrate extremist Jewish groups, many are based on blood ties and long association. Many other countries are struggling to contain terrorist groups and some are using the most brutal force and still getting nowhere it will take a massive amount of cooperation even between countries that have never been the best of friends.

[ArmoredDov_D9]

StarvigStudent47 while I respect the fact that Shin Bet has taken on the Kach, I would doubt that they have had any real effect on them, the reason that they made it on to US State Dept. Public Notice 4501 is that they pose a danger to the US and her allies and for no other reason. Shin Bet has admitted in the past that it is not always that easy to infiltrate extremist Jewish groups, many are based on blood ties and long association. Many other countries are struggling to contain terrorist groups and some are using the most brutal force and still getting nowhere it will take a massive amount of cooperation even between countries that have never been the best of friends.

Kach is a little, some what "sleepy" organnization. AFAIK, Kach didn't commit any violent attack since the 1990's. Its activity is mainly focused on fundings and publish anti-Arab propoganda.


they're all out to get you dood, kill em all!

If you are refering to Hamas - you're right. We most eradicate Hamas for good.

[Mortimer]

i was refering to the civilians....oh wait...sorry i forgot you guys can't decern the two rofl

[UoUo]

i was refering to the civilians....oh wait...sorry i forgot you guys can't decern the two rofl

צחוקים איתך

[ShotOver]

Remember Israeli's, Terrorists carry AK's and RPG's... civilians are the ones who don't.
;)

Keep that in mind when you spray a group of innocent civilians with 5.56 rounds because you have some stupid 17 year old trigger happy kid as your main infantry soldier.

****in stupid if you ask me... ****in stupid.

[UoUo]

Remember Israeli's, Terrorists carry AK's and RPG's... civilians are the ones who don't.
;)

Keep that in mind when you spray a group of innocent civilians with 5.56 rounds because you have some stupid 17 year old trigger happy kid as your main infantry soldier.

f*** stupid if you ask me... f*** stupid.

צחוקים גם איתך

HA..HA... :cantbeli:

Terorists carry M16 M4 and Some nice M203 as well.....

BTW : please tell where are you from.

[WARPIG]

Little things affect little minds.

It is easy to focus on those negative details that help you justify what ever opinion you have of the conflict in Gaza. Looking at the whole big picture will probably be to big a piece of cheese for a simple mind to swallow.
Of course I am not trying to trivialize innocents being killed. It is the opposite. Not too many people actually agree with all of the tactics the IDF uses. (the US has pointed this out before) None of that will make a difference as long as Palestinian terrorists put weapons in the hands of women and children, suicide bomb everything they can, push the population into frenzied hatred, and stop striking out from the safety of innocent crowds.
Which man is more evil.. the man who hides among women and children while shooting at soldiers.. or the soldier that kills a child while shooting at the hiding man?
I won't condone any killing of bystanders by any combatant, much less the IDF. But I won't be so naive to think that I understand why those situations happen. Think for yourselves people, quit letting the media force feed what they want you to see.

[ShotOver]

I come from a land down under
Where beer does flow and men chunder
Can't you hear , can't you hear the thunder?
You better run, you better take cover.



Okay, i'm sum it up for you smart arse folks, Terrorist have weapons, civilians don't.

Shooting civilians isnt a cure for any threat to your ****ty country.

[UoUo]

I come from a land down under
Where beer does flow and men chunder
Can't you hear , can't you hear the thunder?
You better run, you better take cover.



Okay, i'm sum it up for you smart arse folks, Terrorist have weapons, civilians don't.

Shooting civilians isnt a cure for any threat to your ****ty country.

Like i said before : you are fuuney.
.
.
.
Not


First of all : we don't just shoot civlians,,if we did so...it was something like 1000 dead per week.

In 3 years some thing like 500 inccent cilvilians were killed..all of them by mistake...and all of them died in falt of terorist that hide between them.


BTW : ****ty country ? :cantbeli: you are damm stupaid. and you seem to be as very very antiisraeli.

[ShotOver]

Nah, not really anti-israeli, got nothing against most of you... just alot of the israelis on this forum think israel is the only country in the world.. and seem to by very in-secure about it, say one thing bad and a little hot headed jew will pop his/her head out of nowhere and defend the comment and then flood the topic with anti-palestinian information.

Gets VERY annoying.

[ArmoredDov_D9]

I come from a land down under
Where beer does flow and men chunder
Can't you hear , can't you hear the thunder?
You better run, you better take cover.



Okay, i'm sum it up for you smart arse folks, Terrorist have weapons, civilians don't.

Shooting civilians isnt a cure for any threat to your ****ty country.

Nobody at the IDF aiming it civilians but when 3 Hamas members carry a baby in car full of explosive - what do you expect?

[UoUo]

Oh my god......

When people Post topic about israel and then attack the IDF and israel policy we have the right to respond


That to hard for understanding for you ?

BTW : why you just can't tell me where do you come from ?

[ShotOver]

No, you don't have the right to fill EVERY topic up with your pro-israeli bull****...

I bet you guys could find somthing to do with IDF in a "Poke`mon" subject, you guys are really pathetic.

Most of us really DO NOT CARE about you and the place you live, i've been to that area and i will live a good life if i never have to set foot in it again.

Honestly, i hate puttin **** on you guys... all military makes mistakes, but the things you guys post are really, really boring.

BTW: i have told you where i come from...
I come from a land down under
Where beer does flow and men chunder
Can't you hear , can't you hear the thunder?
You better run, you better take cover.

[UoUo]

No, you don't have the right to fill EVERY topic up with your pro-israeli bull****...

I bet you guys could find somthing to do with IDF in a "Poke`mon" subject, you guys are really pathetic.

Most of us really DO NOT CARE about you and the place you live, i've been to that area and i will live a good life if i never have to set foot in it again.

Honestly, i hate puttin **** on you guys... all military makes mistakes, but the things you guys post are really, really boring.

BTW: i have told you where i come from...
I come from a land down under
Where beer does flow and men chunder
Can't you hear , can't you hear the thunder?
You better run, you better take cover.

Lame...

Have a nice day.
:hug:

[ShotOver]

Peace matey :hug:

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

ArmoredDov D9 I do not think the Kach were put on US State Dept. Public Notice just for the sake of it, they must somehow be a threat to the US and her allies I would imagine some thought went into the list using information from the CIA, NSA and FBI. May I be allowed to remind you on how active the Kach has been:

In April 2001 two men driving a settlement security car towing a trailer stopped and unhooked the trailer and placed it against the wall of a girls school in an Arab area near the Mount of Olives. Police stopped the men and searched the trailer in it they found a bomb made from IDF issued explosives, containers of oil and propane cylinders the device was armed.
Six people were detained, one of them Noam Federman was a leader in the Kach.
June 2002 Kach summer camp "Machane Kahana" opens events include a mock trial Shimon Peres and a pilgrimage to the grave of Baruch Goldstein.
June 2003 the Kach attacks events organized by Jerusalem's gay community.
So the Kach along with all the others in the list pose a threat to our freedoms, we should be pleased that actions are to taken on our behalf or so we hope.

[AirZone]

No, you don't have the right to fill EVERY topic up with your pro-israeli bull****...

I think thats the stupid answer i ever heard?

We have every ****ing right to response to your anti-israel attacks. till now we ALWAYS replyed to the all anti-israeli attacks in here and its our right to say everything we want as long as we obey the rules.

And btw.. i wonder what you will say when i will start to say how lame is your country (well yeah israel do lame in some aspects but still idf does a wonderfull job and very human to the arsb...tooo human !) , i bet you will be mad and try to correct me..

And believe me its annoying when you guys say bull**** and false info becuase thats what you saw on TV, when you will live in here you will have every right to talk about it (like one.. even if he tells some very factional stuff :hug:).

[AirZone]

i was refering to the civilians....oh wait...sorry i forgot you guys can't decern the two rofl

צחוקים איתך

חחחחח נשבע לך מורטימר הזה זיין שכל... :bash:
אמן הוא יפגוש כמה מגבניקים.. יעשו לו סדרת חינוך rofl

[StarvingStudent47]

No, you don't have the right to fill EVERY topic up with your pro-israeli bull****...


Look at this thread's title. It's about an IDF strike on Hamas terrorists. What did you expect to find in the thread, spaghetti recipes? Nature haikus? :roll:

[Haiw]

חחחחח נשבע לך מורטימר הזה זיין שכל... :bash:
אמן הוא יפגוש כמה מגבניקים.. יעשו לו סדרת חינוך rofl

how about PMing..geeez..or shud i start talking dutch :roll:

[Seoulstriker]

חחחחח נשבע לך מורטימר הזה זיין שכל... :bash:
אמן הוא יפגוש כמה מגבניקים.. יעשו לו סדרת חינוך rofl

how about PMing..geeez..or shud i start talking dutch :roll:

nie, ty dziwka. twoja mama to jest kurwa pierdolona! (is that correct, herrmannek?)

:P

[AirZone]

חחחחח נשבע לך מורטימר הזה זיין שכל... :bash:
אמן הוא יפגוש כמה מגבניקים.. יעשו לו סדרת חינוך rofl

how about PMing..geeez..or shud i start talking dutch :roll:

no problem with me matey :hug:

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

well you must remeber you did get 3 terrorists...nice job...but you did manage to kill and wound innocent people. Now do you think those people were happy about being bombed and blow up? **** no..so whats the first thing they do when they get out? attack israeli's or help assist or support people attacking jewish settlements.
its called a circle of violence, until both sides agree (which isnt likely) to quit bombing and killing and attacking each other and killing innocent people dont expect any sympathy for your cause.

[NcDeuce]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031020/capt.kcf12910202218.mideast_israel_palestinians_kcf129.jpg

Kinda reminds me of the high school days during Homecoming week. Car Bash! LOL rofl