View Full Version : Soldiers Must Wait for Their Iraqi Wives
Seraphim
10-20-2003, 05:40 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031020/ap_on_re_us/iraq_marriages_1
By BILL KACZOR, Associated Press Writer
PENSACOLA, Fla. - Two National Guard soldiers who married Iraqi women against their commander's wishes will have to wait at least eight months to return home with their brides, according to a lawyer for one of the soldiers.
The women's visas will take at least that long to process by mail because the State Department is not issuing visas in Iraq (news - web sites), said Richard Alvoid, an attorney hired by Sgt. Sean Blackwell's family.
The wait could be even longer if the military decides to charge the men with disobeying orders, Alvoid said.
Blackwell, 27, and Cpl. Brett Dagen, 37, were Christians who converted to Islam so they could be married under Iraqi law. Their commanders took the unusual step of ordering the men not to marry.
The soldiers, members of the 3rd Battalion of the Florida Guard's 124th Infantry, are expected to remain in Iraq at least until February. The men had wanted to send their wives, both physicians, to the United States sooner because of threats from anti-American Iraqis.
The men have been restricted to their bases since the double wedding in August, and they have not been allowed to see or speak to their wives since then, the soldiers' mothers said Monday.
Capt. Jason Beck, a spokesman for the 3rd Battalion of the Florida Guard's 124th Infantry, did not return a call seeking comment Monday.
Alvoid said he has received word from the Judge Advocate General's Office that charges have not been filed but the soldiers were under investigation.
Lt. Col. Ron Tittle, spokesman for the Florida National Guard in St. Augustine, said earlier this month that the soldiers' battalion commander had been worried the marriages might distract his troops from their mission and compromise their safety.
Nawlins
10-20-2003, 05:41 PM
I was actually just about to post something about this... I'm curious what everyone thinks about it.
Apogee
10-20-2003, 05:46 PM
I can understand why they're CO wouldn't want them to get married. They ARE deployed to a combat zone. They shouldn't have disobeyed their CO's order. But I can see where they are coming from too.
Nawlins
10-20-2003, 05:48 PM
Seems like a pretty messy situation to me...
A 27 year old Sgt. and 37 year old Cpl.? Is this out of the ordinary for the National Gaurd? I know there are alot of cases with enlistments that are not right out of high school or a few years of college but I have no real knowledge of the National Gaurd.
Argyll
10-20-2003, 05:54 PM
Marraiges of conveniance?
Marraige is supposed to be about love ,not a fast track to the West!!
These guys had way too much time on their hands if they were out and about "romancing"
NcDeuce
10-20-2003, 06:17 PM
:cantbeli:
Trigger
10-20-2003, 06:23 PM
I guess they took that whole 'hearts and minds' thing a little too seriously :D
Hey, they did it on M*A*S*H all the time.
California Joe
10-20-2003, 06:25 PM
Must have been those wicked sexy burkas that turned them on.
Me so horny.....
ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
10-20-2003, 06:38 PM
Hey if it makes them two boys happy more power to them...
Same scenario in vietnam though so it isnt exactly new.
Seoulstriker
10-20-2003, 08:04 PM
:cantbeli:
wud be a big joke if the military pressed charges against them..i mean..just imagine the headlines..
'A Soldier's Story: Getting sued for getting married!'
or maybe they took the whole liberating part to big...maybe they wanted to liberate those women from their virginity or something ;)
Seoulstriker
10-20-2003, 08:36 PM
didn't this happen recently with South Korean deployments?
It has probably happened with every single deployment since the Roman Legions. I don't think the issue is so much they got married it is if they disobeyed orders.
Seoulstriker
10-20-2003, 08:45 PM
It has probably happened with every single deployment since the Roman Legions. I don't think the issue is so much they got married it is if they disobeyed orders.
ahhhh, i see... who doesn't want to take a trophy from war? :P
Nawlins
10-20-2003, 09:05 PM
Hey, watch your language, boys. You make it sound like these women are naive little maidens who were thrown over their shoulders and dragged off to get married. In case you missed this part... they're both doctors. Smart women who I'm sure knew what they were getting into. Not "trophies."
Whew... sorry about that. Rant over.
mocking_loudly_died
10-20-2003, 09:23 PM
The spoils of war, to the victor goes scantily clad women!
Well, I hope they were scantily clad.
NcDeuce
10-20-2003, 10:07 PM
Hey, watch your language, boys. You make it sound like these women are naive little maidens who were thrown over their shoulders and dragged off to get married. In case you missed this part... they're both doctors. Smart women who I'm sure knew what they were getting into. Not "trophies."
*Bows head* Yes, we must respect the woman or it will come back to bite us in the rear.
GearGod
10-20-2003, 10:35 PM
I think its outrageous and they should be allowed to get married and go back to the USA with them immediately; If I were in their shoes I couldn't care less because if I were American(And I will be oneday!) Would I prefer an American or an Iraqi? AMERICAN!
NcDeuce
10-20-2003, 10:39 PM
C'mon dude, don't make a hit on these dudes' choices. They fell in love, can't help that.
Vance
10-20-2003, 10:45 PM
I think its outrageous and they should be allowed to get married and go back to the USA with them immediately; If I were in their shoes I couldn't care less because if I were American(And I will be oneday!) Would I prefer an American or an Iraqi? AMERICAN!
You ARE an American, unless you are an illegal alien, in which then I would have to shoot you
Nawlins
10-20-2003, 10:50 PM
You ARE an American, unless you are an illegal alien, in which then I would have to shoot you
Not necessarily. Judging from the location he put, he could have a student visa.
GearGod
10-20-2003, 11:10 PM
I like Nawlins' attitude unlike the Vance; She is somewhat correct; My fathers studying in USA and I "came along" (http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/services/tempbenefits/StudVisas.htm) - So far we've been here 6 years; I got my HS Diploma, and pissed off because I cant get a job/join Army becuase I don't have a Green Card/Permanent Residence (http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/services/residency/index.htm)
Vance
10-20-2003, 11:17 PM
Oh, damnit. I wanted to shoot you. :(
ArmedPacifist
10-20-2003, 11:32 PM
Hey, watch your language, boys. You make it sound like these women are naive little maidens who were thrown over their shoulders and dragged off to get married. In case you missed this part... they're both doctors. Smart women who I'm sure knew what they were getting into. Not "trophies."
Whew... sorry about that. Rant over.
Finally some common sense in this thread.
GearGod
10-20-2003, 11:33 PM
woot woot woot woot GO NAWLINS! woot woot woot woot
Oh, damnit. I wanted to shoot you
Don't worry mate; The biggest favor you could do for a depressive suicidal is to kill him; That way, he won't goto hell for killing himself rofl :lol: rofl :lol: rofl :lol: rofl :lol: rofl
Jack Mehoff
10-20-2003, 11:37 PM
I like Nawlins' attitude unlike the Vance; She is somewhat correct; My fathers studying in USA and I "came along" (http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/services/tempbenefits/StudVisas.htm) - So far we've been here 6 years; I got my HS Diploma, and pissed off because I cant get a job/join Army becuase I don't have a Green Card/Permanent Residence (http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/services/residency/index.htm)
So you are a visitor, your status is lot like foreign students or tourists. Common sense tells me that they don't let visitor/tourists/exchange students have green cards otherwise USA is going to double its population in a year.
Imagine if I take a trip to a country in Europe and I demand "Hey, I want to live here in your country. Do you have a problem with that?"
Jack Mehoff
10-20-2003, 11:47 PM
The two American servicemen married two Iraqis women are just plain 0 retarded. My brother married a Vietnamese girl and it took him two years to sponsor her to move to America. Why should the two American servicemen have special treatment? They should have wait a little bit longer if the already know the consequences.
Nawlins
10-21-2003, 12:05 AM
GO NAWLINS!
Finally some common sense in this thread.
I like Nawlins' attitude
Aww... thanks guys. :)
Jack Mehoff
10-21-2003, 12:08 AM
We can alway use a woman touch in this forum, literally
GearGod
10-21-2003, 12:16 AM
Common sense tells me that they don't let visitor/tourists/exchange students have green cards otherwise USA is going to double its population in a year. Imagine if I take a trip to a country in Europe and I demand "Hey, I want to live here in your country. Do you have a problem with that?"
100% Correct; I'm not implying they should give visitors green cards; I was just expressing how pissed off I was; And if you didn't know, US is giving away 55,000 FREE Green Cards to anyone in the world via a "Diversity Visa Lottery" (http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/services/residency/divvisa.htm) wahts the catch? Like any lottery, not everyone gets it, but unlike a lottery, there are 55,000 winners! last year about 150 malaysians won; My unfortunate ass tried 6 times for 6 years so far and NOTHING yet----
Jack Mehoff
10-21-2003, 12:18 AM
Wow!!! they even have diversity lottery rofl . I did not know that until now. People just love to live in this great country, don't they?
GearGod
10-21-2003, 12:21 AM
Yes; I also have other options such as: 1)Marry Citizen-Easiest 2)Goto College/Get Employed 3)Invest 1 Million into a New Business and Hire 10 Employees/Raise US Economy
Jack Mehoff
10-21-2003, 12:24 AM
Yes; I also have other options such as: 1)Marry Citizen-Easiest 2)Goto College/Get Employed 3)Invest 1 Million into a New Business and Hire 10 Employees/Raise US Economy
Option 1 is the best. There are so many 200 pounds American girls would love to get lay ASAP :lol: I know a few of them, want to get hook up :D
GearGod
10-21-2003, 12:25 AM
Thanks, but No Thanks; I'm into 100% Legit "****" if you will haha :D ; And I have extremely high standards
Ratamacue
10-21-2003, 12:36 AM
High standards are good until you start to reach riper ages...
GearGod
10-21-2003, 12:39 AM
Riper Ages? Are you talking ugly-people talk; I hate it when say talk trash like "oh why do they care about how good they look when theyre going to get old anyway" thats just ugly-people denial type talk trying to convince themselves that looking ugly isnt that bad after all; If you are implying something else then hey I'm wrong lol :lol:
Jack Mehoff
10-21-2003, 12:40 AM
Thanks, but No Thanks; I'm into 100% Legit "****" if you will haha :D ; And I have extremely high standards
I can't blame you dude. I have very high standard too and i'm lucky enough to get it. :oops:
GearGod
10-21-2003, 12:44 AM
Ah you're lucky; I want what you have; I must say this forum hijacking is going too, if not quite far--- It all started with
You ARE an American, unless you are an illegal alien, in which then I would have to shoot you
No pun intended of course :lol:
Right or wrong disobeying orders is disobeying orders. It does not matter if you think it is right or wrong.
"Yours is not to question why it is to do or die"
GearGod
10-21-2003, 01:58 AM
I still think they should go home with their Iraqi wifes instantly; Thats unfair
Gordon
10-21-2003, 02:13 AM
is ti really all that surprising that out of half a million odd US soldiers there, one or two might fall in love with and marry an Iraqi chick .. not really. Plus, if the chicks a doctor a who's been educated outside Iraq chances are she's not just doing for the VISA.
Another point, a number of US citizens who posted in this forum need to check out the US immigration law.
I still think they should go home with their Iraqi wifes instantly; Thats unfair
Life is not fair and military life is especially not fair. Deal with it.
GearGod
10-21-2003, 01:04 PM
Well its not my ass so hey I couldn't care less hahaha :lol:
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