Afghanistan - Germany's contingent (56k be gone) !!!

[He219]

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/3085/610xay7.jpg
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/2350/610xom0.jpg

A German solider inspects the damaged vehicle belonging to German International Security Assistance Force is seen near the site after a suicide attack on a NATO convey in Baghlan, Afghanistan, Sunday, Nov. 16, 2008. A suicide car bomber on Sunday struck a NATO convoy in the northern Baghlan province, killing one civilian and wounding 12 other people, officials said. Two NATO soldiers were among the wounded, said a spokesman for the force, who spoke on customary condition of anonymity.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/photobucket/610x-52.jpg

[CptGonzo]

Though, the Fuchs seemes to have held up quite good against the Bomb.
Was there a KWS applied to the Fuchs' ?

[Tim292]

Yes, it carried Mexas armour.
Also note the very latest update on the other Fuchs in the second picture and the SanFuchs in the 3rd picture! Good to see it in theatre, I wish we would spent more money on upgrading real APCs instead of introducing craploads of different, combat-worthless Dingos, Eagles, Duros and so on!

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2025/fuchsafteriedpf4.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb187/sonias_2007/novembro1/20081116144446ENLUS0155259412268466.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb187/sonias_2007/novembro1/20081117102724ENLUS0155316112269176.jpg

[CptGonzo]

Well I wouldnt call the Dingo worthless, its a fine vehicle.

[Mackie]

Yes, it carried Mexas armour.
Also note the very latest update on the other Fuchs in the second picture and the SanFuchs in the 3rd picture! Good to see it in theatre, I wish we would spent more money on upgrading real APCs instead of introducing craploads of different, combat-worthless Dingos, Eagles, Duros and so on!


The Dingo have a much better protected cell than every fox.

[CptGonzo]

Especially against mines. We saw what happend as that Dingo drove over stacked Mines, the engine was completely blown away and everything was brunt but the hull was still intact!

[Tim292]

I know about the better protection of the Dingo. Still, I disagree with the whole concept of Dingo/Eagle. The Duro, I agree, might be a different matter and is quite a usefull vehicle.

First of, the RCWS on all vehicles decreases situational awareness a whole lot. Nothing beats manned machine guns when it comes to sit.awareness and the possibility to quickly engage on the move!

Secondly, Dingo doesn't even offer more than one hatchet in the roof. Emergency exits, shooting out of hatchets and communication with the outside is barely possibly.

Thirdly, and most importantly is patrol setup.
For instance:
one force protection platoon, a Cimic team, a BAT, a bunch of WBV 'soldiers' for shopping

Now, cram all those people into 'their' vehicles..
FP Platoon: 3squads, 2 Dingos each, 1 c2 dingo for the platoon commander
Cimic team: 1 eagle/wolf
BAT: 1vehicle
WBV: another Dingo
That's a total of 8 Dingos and 2 other vehicles, column length of well above 300meters. It's just hard to control, ineffective to lead and has a much higher chance of one vehicle breaking down and halting the column.

I always preferred small setups:
f.e. my FP platoon in 3 Füchsen, the Wbv/comic guys and my platoon leading section in another Fuchs(no need to use a c2 version..) and the BAT in their own vehicle. It's tight, easy to control and I just have one combat ineffective vehicle in my column, the column has half the size and twice the speed.

A Fuchs offers significantly better mobility over a Dingo and it practically has the same size.

Dont get me wrong, I'm all in love with Dingos good level of protection - but not at that price.
I rather have 10 soldiers in one less protected vehicle with way better situational awareness than 5 perfectly sheltered soldiers in 2 vehicles, slow to move and respond and totally isolated from the world outside.

Scrap the GFF, concentrate on:
Wolf MSA, Mungos and Wiesel for airborne
Wolf SSA, Fuchs and Fuchs with a 20-30mm BMK
Wolf SSA, Boxer and Boxer with 30mm BMK
That simple.

Edit: Oh, and I'm totally aware that this is never going to happen with the Bundeswehr. Props to the French with their VABs, armed VAPs and VBLs.

[nickless]

Thank you for your insight, seems to make sense.

Just one thing, you proposed the Mungo as a patrol vehicle like it is used now. Do you really think it is suitable for that task?

[Tim292]

I didn't really propose the Mungo as a patrol vehicle, but you're right, my post wasn't very clear about that. Also, I'm not much of an expert concerning the Mungo, I just don't have too much experience with that vehicle.

Still, in my opinion the Mungo is a damn fine vehicle and close to perfect for what it was designed for:

Transport
- as many fully equipped boots as possible
- under the best protection possible
- for up to 50km
- after air-insertion by helo/c160.

However, as a general patrol vehicle and with special regard to it's constantly breaking axles in A'stan, it's just not suited for such kind of missions.
But like I said in my above post, I'd still choose a few Mungos over a dozen Eagles if the terrain doesn't allow anything bigger. And as long as there's enough supplies rolling in and the mechanics are fast to fix the vehicles, I couldn't care less if I'd get a new axle every two weeks.

[CptGonzo]

Nah, problem with the mungo is that the armor just goes up to chest level.
They use the IdZ Sk4 vests for extra armor AFAIK!
But I agree with you. Sad that the 20mm BmK Füchse never got realised.

[JoaMei]

Nah, problem with the mungo is that the armor just goes up to chest level.
They use the IdZ Sk4 vests for extra armor AFAIK!
But I agree with you. Sad that the 20mm BmK Füchse never got realised.

Seriously, a 20mm BmK is useless against the current IED threat. It only helps in possible ambushes after the explosion. Most important is to have protected Vehicles for every movement outside the Base in Afghanistan.

[nickless]

Sadly, there is a lack of usable vehicles for that.
The new Eagle IV is not really smaller than a Dingo, so there will be few places that you can reach with it where you couldn't already go with a Dingo.

With the problems in finding a suitable vehicle for the GFF class 1 (less than 5.3t), the Bundeswehr is stuck with the different Wolf vehicles or the Mungo which are either mostly unprotected (Wolf MSS, MSA), unarmed (Wolf SSA) or only partially armored and ****e to break down or turn over (Mungo).
And then, even the armed vehicles in that class don't have a 360 degree traversable gun mount, so the machine gunner can't lay suppresive fire during an ambush ... really not a great situation.

[CptGonzo]

Are there any possible solutions for that?

[usedtobe_2T046B5]

Recent pictures as compilation

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/2jZxWIU4S3s

A bit off-topic.
A few hopefully unknown pictures from DSO-Congo
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/mH5vRNHm1Qw

[Alpha-17]

Very nice. I love the Congo video, and several of the pictures from the A-stan video were new to me.

[timelefty]

Why are they new for you? The most pictures of the A'stan vid, can you find in this thread...

glück ab!

[CptGonzo]

Not everyone has the time adn the will to view the whole thread.

BTW Timelefty, your AS vid is great.

[timelefty]

Thanks! I am glad to hear it.

glück ab

[ramthor]

http://i33.tinypic.com/2eyudfm.jpg
AP Photo


13 mins ago: The traditional Christmas tree in front of the Brandenburg Gate is illuminated on Sunday evening, Nov. 30, 2008.

[Mackie]

Scrap the GFF, concentrate on:
Wolf MSA, Mungos and Wiesel for airborne
Wolf SSA, Fuchs and Fuchs with a 20-30mm BMK
Wolf SSA, Boxer and Boxer with 30mm BMK
That simple.

Edit: Oh, and I'm totally aware that this is never going to happen with the Bundeswehr. Props to the French with their VABs, armed VAPs and VBLs.

But these Fox must be upgraded to A8 variants.
The Fox was never designed to resist IEDs. Adding additional armor plates is
different from a advanced hull.
The 20-30mm turret needs place and capacity and a manned machine gun needs to explain the gunner than he will die in a massive IED attack (KE).

There are 2 things we can do to improve security on patrols.

1. New platforms
IED attacks are not only a temporary problem.
We need new platforms like the Grizzly or the F2 (3x3, crew:11)

2. Modern RCWS
Detecting enemy fire automatically and adjusting the RCWS in that direction, avoiding friendly fire, fully stabilized....
Using the RMK recoilless gun to save weight and improve the hull. Integrating the turret in the hull is a waste of security on transport vehicles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress_concentration)

[timelefty]

Hey guys I saw it even in the Night News...


Aktuell



Bombenanschlag auf Fahrzeug der deutschen Botschaft in Kabul

vor 5 Std. 8 Min.
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Drucken (http://de.news.yahoo.com/2/20081130/tpl-bombenanschlag-auf-fahrzeug-der-deut-ee974b3_1.html?printer=1)


Auf ein Fahrzeug der deutschen Botschaft in Kabul ist ein Selbstmordanschlag verübt worden. Dabei wurden nach Polizeiangaben zwei afghanische Passanten getötet und drei weitere verletzt. Dem Auswärtigen Amt zufolge war ein afghanischer Mitarbeiter der Botschaft mit dem Fahrzeug unterwegs gewesen. Er sei unverletzt geblieben, habe aber einen Schock erlitten, sagte ein Sprecher. Zu dem Anschlag bekannte sich zunächst niemand. Diesen Artikel weiter lesen (http://de.news.yahoo.com/2/20081130/tpl-bombenanschlag-auf-fahrzeug-der-deut-ee974b3_1.html#ynw-article-part2)
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Der Selbstmordattentäter war nach Angaben der Kabuler Polizei zu Fuß unterwegs gewesen. Er zündete seine Bombe vor einer Schule auf der Straße zum Parlament. Nach Angaben eines Augenzeugen ist einer der Getöteten ein Mitarbeiter der Kabuler Stadtverwaltung, der gerade die Straße gefegt hatte. Das Büro von Präsident Hamid Karsai verurteilte den Anschlag als "barbarischen Terrorakt".
In den vergangenen zwei Wochen waren bereits drei Attentate auf deutsche Soldaten in Afghanistan (http://de.news.yahoo.com/nachrichten/afghanistan.html) verübt worden. Mitte November wurden bei zwei Anschlägen im Norden des Landes insgesamt sechs Bundeswehr-Soldaten verletzt. Am vergangenen Montag wurde eine deutsche Patrouille in Kundus angegriffen, verletzt wurde jedoch niemand. Ein Fahrzeugkonvoi der deutschen Botschaft war bereits im Juni 2007 attackiert worden. Bei dem Angriff in der Nähe von Kabul waren die angegriffenen Botschaftsmitarbeiter ebenfalls unverletzt geblieben.

[Mackie]

Try to post English news:
http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=32422

[Mork]

Does anybody know if this vehicle was armored?

[Silent Reader]

the articles don't say if it was armored or not..

here is another image of the car:
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4332/1061426srcpathbusqwxk3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1061426srcpathbusqwxk3.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img171/1061426srcpathbusqwxk3.jpg/1/)

[little icebear]

The windows don´t seem to be broken plus I don´t think the German embassy lets their staff drive around with unarmored cars.
So my guess is, it was armored.

[naivi]

does anyone know who is protecting germany embassy members?
i mean a few years ago two gsg9 officers died in iraq while protecting a german diplomat.
so maybe the gsg9 is also working in astan?

[little icebear]

does anyone know who is protecting germany embassy members?
i mean a few years ago two gsg9 officers died in iraq while protecting a german diplomat.
so maybe the gsg9 is also working in astan?

Since GSG9 members are often sent to protect German embassies in high risk enviroments it´s assumable, that they´ve been in Afghanistan.
Apart from that, its generally the Bundespolizei, formerly Bundesgrenzschutz, that protects German embassies abroad.
Several Policemen of the Bundespolizei and the Bundeskriminalamt who where working as securty details in Afghanistan have lost their lives by the hands of suicide bombers. :(

[timelefty]

Hey,

i found this video, sorry it's in german but you can see for the last seconds any german guys, but i don't know who they are? They look like PMC's but PmC's don't get a G36k? Could they be GSG9 member?

Video:
http://www.tagesschau.de/multimedia/video/video415646.html

glück ab

[naivi]

They could be from the "Bundeskriminalamt" (BKA) - Federal Criminal Police Office. As far as i know they have a unit called "Sicherungsgruppe" and they protect german politicians and diplomats.

[muck]

Hey,

i found this video, sorry it's in german but you can see for the last seconds any german guys, but i don't know who they are? They look like PMC's but PmC's don't get a G36k? Could they be GSG9 member?

Video:
http://www.tagesschau.de/multimedia/video/video415646.html

glück abGermany does not employ private military contractors for sovereign official duties. It's like naivi said; They're federal police officers either from the BKA SG or the GSG9.

[muck]

http://www.abload.de/img/610xka73d4f.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/610xrw96bvx.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/610xvj3e4ks.jpg

[variable]

Genau mein Sprechgeschirr :D

Thanks for the pics, they're great!

Ben

[nickless]

Do you know what that headset is called?

[timelefty]

Don't call it Sprechgeschirr ;) really, dont do it ^^

But the real name would be intressting.

glück ab

[variable]

Imtradex NB 2000.

http://www.antares-com.ch/docs/NB_2000.pdf

Why not Sprechgeschirr? :D

Ben

[timelefty]

Because nobody use the name ^^ we say headset... ;)

mfg.lefty

[Mork]

i wonder why the feldjäger always have the best gear :)
does anyone know how good this headset is? is it comparable with the bowman headset?

[variable]

Because nobody use the name ^^ we say headset... ;)

mfg.lefty

We call it Sprechgeschirr. Behördendeutsch. But it's better than an anglicism.

[cbreedon]

Because nobody use the name ^^ we say headset... ;)

mfg.lefty

Is it der, die or das? :-)

[naivi]

das headset
das sprechgeschirr
:D

[MBB F-104G]

Sprechgeschirr *kopfschüttel* I can understand that the officials try not to use anglicisms, but that's just ridiculous. Reminds me of the Trittplattenbremsventil.

[muck]

i wonder why the feldjäger always have the best gear :)Yeah, check out the pimped G36 on these pictures.

[AirCommando]

I don´t think the German embassy lets their staff drive around with unarmored cars.

Ha, ha, ha! This was a very good one. Of course they drive around MOSTLY with unarmored cars. That´s the sad reality on the ground.
Ironiemodus an: The German Embassy is peacefull and wants just the best for their Afghan friends. How you can belive that the Embassy needs protected cars? Ironiemodus aus.

A part the jokes, they drive around mostly with old stuff. I saw last time a German Ambassy secretary driving with an old VW Golf I. Of course he didn´t wear a ballistic vest but he wore a grey suit........

[Blackburn]

thanks for postin', reconed a few good fellas of mine ;)

[usedtobe_2T046B5]

The first IED at the Bundeswehr I've seen

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/vLtHfcB8PUQ



Luftwaffe protection forces

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/yiyxQF3F4sc

[CptGonzo]

I hope noone was hurt during that IED blast.
But it seemes that the IED, luckily, missed its target. It exploded inf ront of the Fuchs.

[Silent Reader]

here is a slideshow with pictures from the Bundeswehr in Afghanistan - some seem to date from the presentation of Germanys QRF forces last year but there are also some which I at least haven't seen yet.

Link (http://www.noorimages.com/index.php?id=2592)

[usedtobe_2T046B5]

German Army starts "fighting" the Taliban :roll:

Sorry, only in german.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,601284,00.html
http://de.*******.com/article/domesticNews/idDEBEE50D0DZ20090114


Havn't found other sources yet

[muck]

The first IED at the Bundeswehr I've seen

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/vLtHfcB8PUQA remote controlled IED I'd say as it did explode in a "gap" between two vehicles. Deliberately targeted the medical APC with the red cross on it.
Fvckers.

[CptGonzo]

A remote controlled IED I'd say as it did explode in a "gap" between two vehicles. Deliberately targeted the medical APC with the red cross on it.
Fvckers.

Seems that it didnt hit anything. Hopefully.

[muck]

http://www.abload.de/img/16fa5.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/2ie32.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/3pdo0.jpg
"Lili Marleen" :)
http://www.abload.de/img/42joo.jpg

[He219]

Nice pix muck!
:)


http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8393/610xk.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6947/610xmon.jpg
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Afghan boys approach a German armed forces Bundeswehr soldiers during their patrol outside the German camp in Kunduz, northern Afghanistan April 16, 2009.
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3337/610xy.jpg

A combination picture shows an Afghan boy falling of his donkey after he forced the animals into a fight outside the German armed forces Bundeswehr camp in Kunduz, northern Afghanistan April 16, 2009.
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/944/610xp.jpg

A soldier of the German armed forces Bundeswehr listens to his walkie talkie as he patrols near wreckage from the Soviet-Afghan war, outside the German army camp in Kunduz, northern Afghanistan April 16, 2009.
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Members of the German armed forces Bundeswehr look out of a CH-53GS helicopter as they approach the German camp in Kunduz, on their transer flight from Mazar-e-Sharif, northern Afghanistan April 16, 2009.
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6696/610xpzk.jpg


Soldiers of German armed forces Bundeswehr assemble ammunition and equipment outside their Dingo armoured personnel carrier before they go onto a patrol outside the German camp in Kunduz, northern Afghanistan April 16, 2009.
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/7165/610xg.jpg

An Afghan contractor stitches name badges for German armed forces Bundeswehr and NATO allied forces at his shop at Camp Marmal, in Mazar-e-Sharif, northern Afghanistan April 15, 2009.

[CptGonzo]

Finally some new pictures. Thanks a bunch folks!

I see more and more BW Vehicles getting sprayed in a desert camo pattern, seems like they finally get things at least somehow right with the camo.

[He219]

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1482/610xh.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3073/610xkzv.jpg


A German armed forces Bundeswehr military policeman sits atop his armoured personnel carrier "Dingo" as he guards a meeting with a Bundeswehr liaison managing team (LMT) and tribe leaders at a village in Aliabad district near Kunduz on April 19, 2009.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2672/610xf.jpg


A young Afghan girl covers her face as she walks past a German armed forces Bundeswehr patrol coming back from a meeting with district leaders in Emam Saheb, Kunduz province, northern Afghanistan April 18, 2009.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5900/610xm.jpg


An Afghan men leaves a meeting of tribe leaders and members of a German liaison managing team (LMT) as a group of German armed forces Bundeswehr military police guard the entrance of the office of the district manager of Aliabad near Kunduz on April 19, 2009.

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/7153/610xpse.jpg


A German armed forces Bundeswehr military policeman guards a meeting with a Bundeswehr liaison managing team (LMT) at a village in Aliabad district near Kunduz on April 19, 2009.

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/4961/610xaob.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5971/610xjxw.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8743/610xzzl.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2933/610xkxb.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/6880/610xqul.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/290/610xpvs.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2800/610xidf.jpg


Villagers follow a German armed forces Bundeswehr policeman guarding the visit of a German liaison monitoring team (LMT) at a village in Aliabad district near Kunduz on April 19, 2009.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2369/610xt.jpg


Afghan children talk to German armed forces Bundeswehr policemen guarding the visit of a German liaison monitoring team (LMT) at a little village in Aliabad district near Kunduz on April 19, 2009.

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/7517/610xafl.jpg


An Afghan boy looks at a German armed forces Bundeswehr member during the visit of a German liaison monitoring team (LMT) at a village in Aliabad district near Kunduz on April 19, 2009.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2086/610xl.jpg


Members of a German armed forces Bundeswehr liaison managing team (LMT) talk to the tribe leader of a little village in Aliabad district near Kunduz on April 19, 2009.

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/3264/610xzkg.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6366/610xgaa.jpg


Soldiers of the German armed forces Bundeswehr secure the airfield outside the German army camp in Kunduz, northern Afghanistan April 17, 2009.

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/9337/610xiip.jpg


A soldier of the German armed forces Bundeswehr secures the airfield outside the German army camp in Kunduz, northern Afghanistan April 17, 2009.

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/91/610xqyi.jpg

Badges for the uniforms of ISAF troops are put on display in a shop at Camp Marmal in Mazar-e-Sharif, northern Afghanistan April 15, 2009.

[CptGonzo]

Absolutely GREAT!

Thanks a lot for those pictures!!!

[muck]

x2 What he said.

[He219]

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5439/610xw.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9483/610xjeb.jpg

A convoy of German armed forces Bundeswehr makes its way to a forward operation base (FOB) during a mission in Kunduz province, April 21, 2009.
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/7316/610xjvm.jpg


An infantry soldier of German armed forces Bundeswehr secures the area as mission team leaders hold a meeting near a forward operation base (FOB) in Kunduz province, April 21, 2009.

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9599/610xzox.jpg

An infantry soldier of German armed forces Bundeswehr takes a break at a forward operation base (FOB) during a mission in Kunduz province, April 21, 2009.

Nice Beta C-Mag ..
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8197/610xx.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/3337/610xy.jpg

An infantry soldier of German armed forces Bundeswehr keeps watch on his MG4 as the soldiers secure a forward operation base (FOB) during a mission in Kunduz province, April 21, 2009.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/944/610xp.jpg Notice the G3


Infantry soldiers of German armed forces Bundeswehr have a chat at their forward operation base (FOB) during a mission in Kunduz province, April 21, 2009.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/7120/610xhbx.jpg


An infantry soldier of German armed forces Bundeswehr checks his MG4 as the soldiers secure a forward operation base (FOB) during a mission in Kunduz province, April 21, 2009.

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Infantry soldiers of German armed forces Bundeswehr unload ammunition from a supply truck at their forward operation base (FOB) during a mission in Kunduz province, April 21, 2009.

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Infantry soldiers of German armed forces Bundeswehr unload food and beverages from a supply truck at their forward operation base (FOB) during a mission in Kunduz province, April 21, 2009.

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Infantry soldiers of German armed forces Bundeswehr have lunch at their forward operation base (FOB) during a mission in Kunduz province, April 21, 2009.

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A German armed forces Bundeswehr soldier stands next to his sniffer dog after searching for improvised explosive devices (IOD) in Kunduz April 20, 2009.

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A German armed forces Bundeswehr soldier plays with his sniffer dog after searching for improvised explosive devices (IOD) in Kunduz April 20, 2009.

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A German armed forces Bundeswehr soldier instructs his sniffing dog for an improvised explosive device (IOD) search in Kunduz April 20, 2009.

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German armed forces Bundeswehr soldiers walk their sniffer dogs before searching for improvised explosive devices (IOD) in Kunduz April 20, 2009.

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German armed forces Bundeswehr hunting infantry soldiers prepare for a night mission in a forward operation base (FOB) in Kunduz April 20, 2009.

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A German armed forces Bundeswehr hunting infantry soldier closes his armoured personnel carrier before a night mission in a forward operation base (FOB) in Kunduz April 20, 2009.






Warning! The following trauma pictures are mildly graphic.













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A rescue team of German armed forces Bundeswehr treats the gunshot wound of an Afghan man in the shock/trauma room of their rescue center inside the Provinical Reconstruction Team (PRT) camp in Kunduz late April 20, 2009.

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A rescue team of German armed forces Bundeswehr treats the gunshot wound of an Afghan man in a shock room of their rescue center inside the Provinical Reconstruction Team (PRT) camp in Kunduz late April 20, 2009.

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A rescue team of German armed forces Bundeswehr exposes the gunshot wound of an Afghan man in a trauma room of their rescue center inside the Provinical Reconstruction Team (PRT) camp in Kunduz late April 20, 2009.

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A rescue team of German armed forces Bundeswehr sterilize the gunshot wound area of an Afghan man in a trauma room of their rescue center inside the Provinical Reconstruction Team (PRT) camp in Kunduz late April 20, 2009.

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A rescue team of German armed forces Bundeswehr remove projectile fragments from the gunshot wound of an Afghan man in a trauma room of their rescue center inside the Provinical Reconstruction Team (PRT) camp in Kunduz late April 20, 2009.

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A rescue team of German armed forces Bundeswehr bandages the treated gunshot wound of an Afghan man in a shock room of their rescue center inside the Provinical Reconstruction Team (PRT) camp in Kunduz late April 20, 2009.

[muck]

Great post again, He219.

German armed forces Bundeswehr hunting infantry soldiers prepare for a night mission in a forward operation base (FOB) in Kunduz April 20, 2009.Lol, you gotta love journalists. "Hunting infantry" is the literal translation of "Jäger", which is traditional German term for light infantry.

There's not much light infantry left in the German army. Does anybody know if Air Assault Regiment 1 has been deployed to Afghanistan lately?

[He219]

Exactly what I was thinking, Jäger.
Same with the 'shock' room at the medical center.
;)

[muck]

Yes.

Notice the G3
Notice the duct tape buttstock! p-) By the way, does this G3 have a vertical front grip? It seems so, I guess.

[He219]

It's a gripppod (http://www.grippod.com/) to complement the scoped setup and CQB
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The shell deflector (Huelsenabweiser (http://www.robertrtg.com/hkshelldeflector.html)) threw me off ..

[flanker7]

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Notice the MILAN base tripod :-)

[AirCommando]

At first I´m really surprised that the German censor let pass pictures about locals shot by German troops. Very, very unusual. Normally we see **** about this here at home. Just happy smiling kids on the road. Again: Very surprising.

[He219]

At first I´m really surprised that the German censor let pass pictures about locals shot by German troops.

Is that what happened?

He could be ANA or a villager caught in a crossfire ...

The round seemed to have passed right through him.

[Macs.]

Depends on when this happened, and if the dates are of the actual happening or of the date they were released to the public.

A few days ago a motorcyclist was shot and wounded by a German checkpoint.

Also today there was another shootout with Taliban/Anti-Goverment-Forces around Kunduz, so it could be possible that the photograph was there... Let's see.

[muck]

The Bundeswehrverband (Federal Armed Forces Association) is the only semi-official institution which drops the "kill bomb" from time to time. Last year they brought some interesting reports on what reality looks like in Kunduz and Faizabad. Paratrooper Battalion 263 must have got a fair share of combat last year.

You really need to pay attention to snap up the interesting infos. For example press releases of the Potsdam's district prosecutor which is responsible for Bundeswehr-related investigations. Their superordinate authority claims they had to probe 51 cases of military weapons usage with victims during the last year. I haven't heard of a German involvement into firefights on the Balkans in 2008, nor do I think that any soldier on domestical duty fired his weapon last year. So it's probably Afghanistan what they where referring to...p-)

[AirCommando]

Very interesting. The problem is that the Government and the military institutions want to keep the tax payer, voter and citizen stupid as possible. More some look deeper into the Afghanistan hazzle, more the official statements from the military sounds redicolous. It can´t be that we have to listen again BBC to know what´s really happen on the front. It´s a shame for our MoD.

[Herman the II]

Somehow I have the feeling that this "Afghan man" undergoing surgery on those photos is a Taliban fighter or at least from some other opposing force.
There are armed soldiers without scrubs in the operating room, not a common practise I guess..

[muck]

Somehow I have the feeling that this "Afghan man" undergoing surgery on those photos is a Taliban fighter or at least from some other opposing force.
There are armed soldiers without scrubs in the operating room, not a common practise I guess..Very well spotted. Field hospitals need to be cleared of weapons, the Central Medical Services regulations say.

[Jarhead]

Somehow I have the feeling that this "Afghan man" undergoing surgery on those photos is a Taliban fighter or at least from some other opposing force.
There are armed soldiers without scrubs in the operating room, not a common practise I guess..
It was a Talib...:roll:

[He219]

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A soldier of German armed forces Bundeswehr smokes a cigarette as he has a break after securing a convoy at an outpost in Taloqan, east of Kundus, April 23, 2009.

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Soldiers of German armed forces Bundeswehr stand next to their "Wolf" vehicles as they visit a school in Taloqan, east of Kundus, April 23, 2009.

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A team leader of German armed forces Bundeswehr soldiers stands in front of a map of Afghanistan as he contacts his commanders during a visit at a local school in Taloqan, east of Kundus, April 23, 2009
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A soldier of German armed forces Bundeswehr looks out of his armored "Dingo" vehicle on a patrol to Taloqan, east of Kundus, April 23, 2009.

[Mork]

Does anybody know if the Bundeswehr plans to replace their old SEM-52? It seems like a lot of soldiers buy their own radios at the moment....

[He219]

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A team of German armed forces Bundeswehr emergency medics conduct physical training during a tug of war competition outside their emergency center at the Provinicial Reconstruction Team (PRT) camp in Kundus, April 24, 2009.

[Mork]

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From the Weekend Pics April 25/26th thread.

[Mork]

Another quote from Weekend Pics.




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[Herman the II]

Very well spotted. Field hospitals need to be cleared of weapons, the Central Medical Services regulations say.


Here could be another hint:

In a combined effort ANA and German troops succeeded in capturing 40 Taliban and kill another 4. Two more got wounded during the fight.
The action took place 10 day ago, so the date is somehow fitting.
Posted it in the news and discussion thread already...



Bei der Militäroperation seien vier Anhänger der radikal-islamischen Taliban getötet worden und zwei weitere verletzt worden, sagte General Adbul Rahman, Leiter der afghanischen Truppen.

[He219]

Couple more:
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Afghan men look at a German armed forces Bundeswehr liason monitoring team (LMT) visiting their village in Kunduz province, April 26, 2009.

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An Afghan man reads an information paper handed out by a German armed forces Bundeswehr liason monitoring team (LMT) during a visiting of his village in Kunduz province, April 26, 2009.

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Nice BW BHI Serpa ..
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The leader of a German armed forces Bundeswehr mission listens to his radio during a patrol in a village in Kunduz province, April 26, 2009.

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A soldier of the German armed forces Bundeswehr adjusts the anti-sliding chains on the tyres of an armoured vehicle during a mission in Kunduz province, April 26, 2009.

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Soldiers of German armed forces Bundeswehr get ready for a night mission in Kundus district late evening, April 24, 2009. Picture is taken on slow shutter speed.

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A soldier of German armed forces Bundeswehr sits on top of his armored vehicle as he observes the area during a night mission in Kundus district, early April 25, 2009. Picture is taken on long time exposure.

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A soldier of German armed forces Bundeswehr sits inside an armored vehicle after coming back from a night mission in Kundus district, early April 25, 2009.

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A soldier of German armed forces Bundeswehr gets ready for a night mission in Kundus district, April 24, 2009. Picture is taken through night vision goggles.

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Soldiers of German armed forces Bundeswehr listen to their team leader before a night mission in Kundus district April 24, 2009. Picture is taken through night vision goggles.

[Jarhead]

Thanks for posting HE.

[Germanfan]

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Is it possible to get this pic in a higher resolution?

[Mork]

I think you have to buy these pictures from ******* if you want them in high res.

[He219]

.. in a higher resolution?
Give it a few days, Spiegel or somebody will have a larger resolution online eventually.

Here's that G3 ZF spotter's rifle setup again:
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29.11.2003: Vom Dach des Towers aus beobachtet ein Scharfschützenteam der Bundeswehr die Umgebung des Flughafens von Kunduz

[little icebear]

Here's that G3 ZF spotter's rifle setup again:


Yup. G3 ZF but w/o grip-pod and the makeshift Panzerband cheek-piece. Originally, there was not much place for sniper-teams in the cold war doctrine of the Bundeswehr - at least not amongst regular units.
So the G3 ZF was not the weapon of choice for spotters, but the only "sniper-rifle" availlable to the ordinary soldier at all.
Only when the Bundeswehr started to operate out-of-area, the need for a dedicated sniper-rifle arose.
It is possible that the soldier with the G3 ZF in the more recent pic is not a spotter, either, but rather someone who fills the role of a designated marksman.

[Uboj]

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Qeustions: What is the reasoning behing tieing the dual magazine to the trigger gaurd?

[nickless]

That way, you can just drop the empty magazine without worrying about loosing it or putting it in an dump pouch or an empty mag pouch. Because the G36 magazines are very bulky and have studs that catch on everything, that technique is quite popular.

Tying the mags down might also be used to prevent theft (in crowds), but it looks like the string isn't strong enough for that in this case.

[variable]

Superb pics! Thanks for sharing!

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What kinda mags are in those MP7s? Looks unusual.

[muck]

These are standard 40 rounds mags.

[He219]

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Local villagers assist military policemen of German armed forces Bundeswehr to recover their armoured personnel carrier (APC) "Dingo" that is stuck in a muddy road during a mission in Aliabad district near Kunduz April 29, 2009. A similar APC was attacked at the same time by a suicide bomber on a street nearby. Five German soldiers were injured in the attack.

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Local villagers assist military policemen of German armed forces Bundeswehr to recover their armoured personnel carrier (APC) "Dingo" after it got stuck in a muddy road during a mission in Aliabad district near Kunduz, April 29, 2009. A similar APC was attacked at the same time by a suicide bomber on a street nearby. Five German soldiers were injured in the attack.

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An Afghan boy talks to a military policeman of German armed forces Bundeswehr during a mission in Aliabad district near Kunduz April 29, 2009. An armoured personnel carrier (APC) "Dingo" of the Bundeswehr was attacked at the same time by a suicide bomber on a street nearby. Five German soldiers were injured in the attack.

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A military policeman of German armed forces Bundeswehr checks his position on his mobile GPS after their armoured personnel carrier (APC) "Dingo" was stuck in a muddy road during a mission in Aliabad district near Kunduz April 29, 2009. A similar APC was attacked at the same time by a suicide bomber on a street nearby. Five German soldiers were injured in the attack.

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An Afghan man smiles while he stands next to a military policeman of German armed forces Bundeswehr during a mission in Aliabad district near Kunduz April 29, 2009. An armoured personnel carrier (APC) "Dingo" of the Bundeswehr was attacked at the same time by a suicide bomber on a street nearby. Five German soldiers were injured in the attack.

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Afghan villagers hold up their muddy shovels and the money they received from military policemen of German armed forces Bundeswehr after recovering an armoured personnel carrier (APC) "Dingo" from a muddy road during a mission in Aliabad district near Kunduz, April 29, 2009. A similar APC was attacked at the same time by a suicide bomber on a street nearby. Five German soldiers were injured in the attack.

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Afghan shepherds guard their flock of sheep as they pass the scene where military policemen of German armed forces Bundeswehr are trying to recover their armoured personnel carrier (APC) "Dingo" after it got stuck in a muddy road during a mission in Aliabad district near Kunduz April 29, 2009. Another similar APC was attacked at the same time by a suicide bomber on a street nearby. Five German soldiers were injured in the attack.

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Soldiers of the German armed forces Bundeswehr secure the area as a German liason monitoring team (LMT) walks into a village in Kunduz district, April 28, 2009.

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Soldiers of the German armed forces Bundeswehr secure the area as a German liason monitoring team (LMT) walks into a village in Kunduz district, April 28, 2009.

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Soldiers of the German armed forces Bundeswehr perform a recovery operation on a "Fuchs" armoured personnel carrier during a mission in Kunduz district, April 28, 2009.

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Afghans from Dam Shak-Alchin village help soldiers of the German armed forces Bundeswehr perform a recovery operation on a "Fuchs" armoured personnel carrier during a mission in Kunduz district, April 28, 2009.

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People from Dam Shak-Alchin village stand together with soldiers of German armed forces Bundeswehr after helping them with the recovery of an armoured personnel carrier "Fuchs" from a slippery road during a mission in Kunduz district, April 28, 2009.

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A soldier of German armed forces Bundeswehr observes the area as villagers look at Bundeswehr soldiers recover an armoured personnel carrier "Fuchs" during a mission in Kunduz district, April 28, 2009.

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A soldier of the German armed forces Bundeswehr observes the area as villagers look at other Bundeswehr soldiers who are performing a recovery operation on a "Fuchs" armoured personnel carrier during a mission in Kunduz district, April 28, 2009.

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Soldiers of the German armed forces Bundeswehr perform a recovery operation on a "Fuchs" armoured personnel carrier during a mission in Kunduz district, April 28, 2009.

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A soldier of German armed forces Bundeswehr secures the area as a German liason monitoring team (LMT) walks into a village in Kunduz district, April 28, 2009.

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A German NATO soldier mans a machine gun on a German armored personnel carrier near the site a suicide attack against a German vehicle in Ali Abad district of Kunduz province, north of Kabul, Afghanistan, Wednesday, April 29, 2009. The suicide bomber jumped in front of the German vehicle, wounding four German troops, the NATO-led force said.

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The damaged German armored personnel carrier is transported away following a suicide attack in Ali Abad district of Kunduz province, north of Kabul, Afghanistan, Wednesday, April 29, 2009. The suicide bomber jumped in front of the German vehicle, wounding four German troops, the NATO-led force said.

[Jarhead]

Great photos, He.

[muck]

Thanks a bunch!

[nickless]

I've got a special treat for you - all pictures taken by Kai Pfaffenbach (*******) on his trip so far in a single gallery and in HI - wait for it - RES.
Not the straight-out-of-the-camera pictures like you get on the US .mil sites, but still a lot better than the ones posted here before:

Link to gallery (http://www.abload.de/gallery.php?key=JWfROxfI)

And a small preview:


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http://img1.abload.de/img/1000x154a8pn.jpg (http://www.abload.de/gallery.php?key=JWfROxfI)

I will try to add new pictures as they become available.

[He219]

Nice nickless ..
Good find!
:D


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Is it possible to get this pic in a higher resolution?
Voila!
http://www.abload.de/thumb/1000x630wea.jpg (http://www.abload.de/img/1000x630wea.jpg) Thank nickless!

[variable]

Wow, top-of-the-line pics! Thanks a bunch:)

[muck]

Schweeeet. :)

[Germanfan]

Thank you...

[muck]

Aweful idea that one of the guys pictured there could be dead now.

[variable]

Yea, creepy thought. Let's hope the wounded recover fastly and the perps are hunted down...

[nickless]

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A medevac helicopter of German armed forces Bundeswehr gets ready to take off from the helipad at the Provincial Reconstruction Team (PRT) camp in Kunduz April 29, 2009. Bundeswehr had to evacuate injured soldiers as one soldier was killed in two different attacks on German convoys.

- RIP to the fallen and a speedy recovery to the injured... and I really hope some asses will be kicked down there now.

[wiking]

those were some sweet pics of those Germans.

[He219]

Some sad ones too ...


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A priest from the German Bundeswehr lays down a silver cross in front of a picture of a killed soldier during a memorial service at the Provincial reconstruction team (PRT) camp in Kunduz May 1, 2009. One German soldier was killed and nine others wounded in an attack on their convoy near Kunduz on April 29.
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A picture of a fallen soldier of German armed forces Bundeswehr stands next to a memorial wreath during a farewell ceremony at the Provincial reconstruction team (PRT) camp in Kunduz May 2, 2009
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Soldiers of the German Bundeswehr march in line to form a guard of honour for a fallen comrade from their unit during a farewell ceremony at the Provincial reconstruction team (PRT) camp in Kunduz May 2, 2009

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A priest of German Bundeswehr bows his head in front of the coffin of a fallen comrade during a farewell ceremony at the Provincial reconstruction team (PRT) camp in Kunduz May 2, 2009.
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A trumpet player of German armed forces Bundeswehr plays a last farewell song for a fallen comrade during a farewell ceremony at the Provincial reconstruction team (PRT) camp in Kunduz May 2, 2009.
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[CptGonzo]

I hope someone really has to pay for this.

R.I.P. Kamerad.

[muck]

Yea, creepy thought. It's him: The face, the rank insignia and the green infantry lace are indeed a giveaway.

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[nickless]

I just uploaded 326 pictures of the German ISAF forces from 2008 to a new gallery. Most, if not all, were posted here already, but I have them in better resolution:

ISAF 2008

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(http://www.abload.de/gallery.php?key=LeCCFMyC)

Just a small preview. ;)

[Jarhead]

Ruhe in Frieden, Sergej.
Danke.

[toki]

Aweful idea that one of the guys pictured there could be dead now.

Yea, creepy thought. Let's hope the wounded recover fastly and the perps are hunted down...

It's him: The face, the rank insignia and the green infantry lace are indeed a giveaway.
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8393/610xk.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/8197/610xx.jpg
RIP, yes i think it is him.

I always think of the pics here when i hear something like that in the news. Not many places in the internet have such comprehensive collections of this whole 'Einsatz'. And i remember this pic, since i thought he looked like 15 or 16. :-(
So sad.

[muck]

I just uploaded 326 pictures of the German ISAF forces from 2008 to a new gallery. Most, if not all, were posted here already, but I have them in better resolution:

ISAF 2008 (http://www.abload.de/gallery.php?key=LeCCFMyC)

Just a small preview. ;)I love you. :oops:

[He219]

Nice job nickless! those are awesome ..
:D

[Oswald74]

I just uploaded 326 pictures of the German ISAF forces from 2008 to a new gallery.

Just a small preview. ;)

Ich schulde dir 2 Bier!


MfG Lee ;-)

[CptGonzo]

I just uploaded 326 pictures of the German ISAF forces from 2008 to a new gallery. Most, if not all, were posted here already, but I have them in better resolution:


Just a small preview. ;)

JUST A SMALL PREVIEW?!

Holy ****!
Was kann da denn noch besser sein?

I noticed that there are a ****load of unposted pics in there, its like only half of them were actually posted in this thread.

[Germanfan]

The first three Eagle IV...

http://www.abload.de/img/web_1_laage_13_05_2009j6ws.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/web_2_laage_13-05_2009c2vw.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/web_4_laage_13_05_200914y0.jpg

[Mork]

afaik they arent even allowed to mount weapons on these till yet -_-

[muck]

afaik they arent even allowed to mount weapons on these till yet -_-That's because the RCWS is still in troop trials. Moreover, the vehicle (WOLF FÜFU) it will replace wasn't armed either.

[CptGonzo]

Also proper desert camouflage, something you don't see too often.
Great stuff.

[muck]

http://www.abload.de/img/1d38v.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=1d38v.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/img/2t1tw.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=2t1tw.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/img/3f8ed.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=3f8ed.jpg)

[CptGonzo]

Great pictures, thanks Muck. Any more?

Also, 2 questions.

1.) Are there any numbers on how many of the MG4's have been introduced?
2.) How often does a Wolf break down(Besser gefragt: wie zuverlässig sind die Dinger?)?

The Wolf with the MG4-gunner seems to have its hood opened, but I guess it's only for cooling purposes.

[muck]

Great pictures, thanks Muck. Any more?

Also, 2 questions.

1.) Are there any numbers on how many of the MG4's have been introduced?
2.) How often does a Wolf break down(Besser gefragt: wie zuverlässig sind die Dinger?)?

The Wolf with the MG4-gunner seems to have its hood opened, but I guess it's only for cooling purposes.1.) 2,000 of them have been introduced so far, more batches will be fielded between 2010 and 2014
2.) How realiable could a vehicle meant for the use in Central Europe possibly be in Afghanistans rugged terrain? ;)

[CptGonzo]

Questions answered, thanks a bunch ;-)

[Tim292]

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1535018,00.jpg
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1535017,00.jpg
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1535016,00.jpg
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1535013,00.jpg
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1535010,00.jpg
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1535008,00.jpg
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1535003,00.jpg
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1535004,00.jpg
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1534999,00.jpg
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1534998,00.jpg
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1534996,00.jpg
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1534995,00.jpg

Some pictures might have been there already, I dont know exactly.

You get to see combat shirts very often these days, are they finally being issued?

[nickless]

No, they aren't.

Most of them are TacGear "Coolmax" combat shirts with a body made from 100% polyester, which makes them dangerous to wear in an area where IEDs are a constant threat. Even tolerating the wear of clothing made from polyester is negligent, to say the least ...

[Jarhead]

x2 what nickless said.

[CptGonzo]

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1534999,00.jpgSad reality in Afghanistan, made me shiver.

[Mork]

And whats about these combat shirts issued by the british and the US military? arent they made from polyester too?

[valiant]

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/1637/610xrv8.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5791/610xmt5.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8931/610xan0.jpg

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/5552/610xyq8.jpg
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/7406/610xix0.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2918/610xtv3.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8443/610xjr1.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1816/610xcf1.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6474/610xma4.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/64/610xuy8.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7919/610xvx3.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/903/610xsi1.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7559/610xet9.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7279/610xds7.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2539/610xql5.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8637/610xyu8.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2674/610xde2.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4826/610xqc3.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9876/610xei8.jpg

i am happy to see this pictures because i know all this german soldiers and i was in the same area. all best from croatiawoot

[valiant]

croatian and german soldiers in baghlan province 2008.
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/338/p4210061.jpg
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8190/p4240004f.jpg

[nickless]

And whats about these combat shirts issued by the british and the US military? arent they made from polyester too?

The british UBACS is made from Coolmax, yes, and I really don't understand how it become an issued item.
The Army Combat Shirt and the USMC's FROG shirt on the other hand are made from fire-resistant Nomex fabrics.


i am happy to see this pictures because i know all this german soldiers and i was in the same area. all best from croatiawoot

That's nice of you to say, but please DON'T QUOTE ALL THE PICTURES!

[valiant]

That's nice of you to say, but please DON'T QUOTE ALL THE PICTURES![/QUOTE]

sorry:oops:

[variable]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ab5_1238357986

First MG4 encounter :)

[little icebear]

First MG4 encounter :)

roughly second 30... omg!

[CptGonzo]

Nice find!

Love it when that guy at the end says "Spielzeugwaffe" (=Toygun) :)

[little icebear]

Nice find!

Love it when that guy at the end says "Spielzeugwaffe" (=Toygun) :)

He needs a good breakfast if he wants to carry an MG 3 around instead. p-)

[muck]

roughly second 30... omg!The guy was really asking for a salvo into his goddamn ankles. :roll:

[Tim292]

To keep this thread alive and updated, the sad pictures of the last days.

http://www.bundeswehr.de/fileserving/PortalFiles/C1256EF40036B05B/W27TEHZ7406INFODE/1.jpg
http://www.bundeswehr.de/fileserving/PortalFiles/C1256EF40036B05B/W27TEJ2D976INFODE/2.jpg
http://www.bundeswehr.de/fileserving/PortalFiles/C1256EF40036B05B/W27TEJ3B352INFODE/3.jpg
http://www.bundeswehr.de/fileserving/PortalFiles/C1256EF40036B05B/W27TEJ4D817INFODE/4.jpg
http://www.bundeswehr.de/fileserving/PortalFiles/C1256EF40036B05B/W27TEJ4W418INFODE/5.jpg
http://www.bundeswehr.de/fileserving/PortalFiles/C1256EF40036B05B/W27TEJ5S633INFODE/6.jpg
http://www.bundeswehr.de/fileserving/PortalFiles/C1256EF40036B05B/W27TEJ69629INFODE/7.jpg
http://www.bundeswehr.de/fileserving/PortalFiles/C1256EF40036B05B/W27TEQV7429INFODE/1.jpg
http://www.bundeswehr.de/fileserving/PortalFiles/C1256EF40036B05B/W27TEQW7478INFODE/2.jpg
http://www.bundeswehr.de/fileserving/PortalFiles/C1256EF40036B05B/W27TEQWR525INFODE/3.jpg

[CptGonzo]

I simply have nothign more to say than

Ruhet in Frieden, Kameraden.

I guess a war is still a war afterall.

[CptGonzo]

Allright, sorry for the double post, but I'm sure I'm making someone's day with this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyIUyKkL4Ik&feature=related

[usedtobe_2T046B5]

Two videos I haven't seen before


Have I seen something that looks like the G3ZF?
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/Y1TmCiWXkVk

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/lcPBShbdg98

[Mork]

Allright, sorry for the double post, but I'm sure I'm making someone's day with this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyIUyKkL4Ik&feature=related

embed fail? i see nothing...

[Herman the II]

Here is pure link of the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyIUyKkL4Ik

Thanks for posting those "CptGonzo" and "2T046B5", all were new for me.

[wiking]

OT question for 'ze germanz' here, why has the german word for barrel gone from Lauf back in the WW2 era, to rohr today?

Came across a mention of it regarding translating old firearms manuals yesterday, and i heard the chap dissasembly that MG4 saying it when he refered to the barrel.

[Silent Reader]

OT question for 'ze germanz' here, why has the german word for barrel gone from Lauf back in the WW2 era, to rohr today?

Came across a mention of it regarding translating old firearms manuals yesterday, and i heard the chap dissasembly that MG4 saying it when he refered to the barrel.

http://www.abload.de/img/lauflange_rohrlange_wahafu.png

the Lauf does not include the chamber for the projectile. the whole thing including the chamber is the Rohr (tube/pipe)

[Jarhead]

^^ x2
nothing more to add.

[jklv]

Thanks for the vids about the MG4, truly amazing.

[muck]

http://www.abload.de/img/t1s3bb.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=t1s3bb.jpg)

The landscape of this country never ceases to amaze me.

[Herman the II]

Video: Großes Kaliber – Schießen mit Mörsern
Bundeswehr.de (http://www.bundeswehr.de/portal/a/bwde/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLd443DnQHSYGZASH6kTCxoJRUfW99X4_83FT9AP2C3IhyR0dFRQCsXOUq/delta/base64xml/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS80SVVFLzZfQ18xQk8y?yw_contentURL=%2FC1256EF4002AED30%2FW27TZAH9831INFODE%2Fcontent.jsp)

[muck]

It should be mentioned though that the "EKT" platoons belong to the PSYOP-branch of the German military. One might expect that at least these military mass communication specialists could produce some actual combat footage, but it's nothing else than propaganda for the home front! :D

[naivi]

yeah and propaganda means in this case that our soldiers are not fighting in a-stan...
thats why they only show how they fire "illuminating shells" with the 120mm

[AirCommando]

http://www.abload.de/img/t1s3bb.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=t1s3bb.jpg)



"Herr Oberst, die 10. Panzerdivision dort drueben!"

[Herman the II]

EKT video about the Marder in Astan (http://www.bundeswehr.de/fileserving/PortalFiles/C1256EF4002AED30/W27U9AF5249INFODE/7U9E2T188INFODE.asx?yw_repository=youatweb)

[Mork]

Doesn't work.....

[Herman the II]

You can find the video at the EKT page at bundeswehr.de (http://www.bundeswehr.de/portal/a/bwde/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLd443DgwBSUGYAfqR6GIBIQixoJRUfW99X4_83FT9AP2C3NCIckdHRQAlYgRn/delta/base64xml/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS80SVVFLzZfQ18xQk8y?yw_contentURL=/C1256EF4002AED30/W27NCCAB840INFODE/content.jsp) (first video).
Still works for me..(using WMP)

[Silent Reader]

You can find the video at the EKT page at bundeswehr.de (http://www.bundeswehr.de/portal/a/bwde/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLd443DgwBSUGYAfqR6GIBIQixoJRUfW99X4_83FT9AP2C3NCIckdHRQAlYgRn/delta/base64xml/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS80SVVFLzZfQ18xQk8y?yw_contentURL=/C1256EF4002AED30/W27NCCAB840INFODE/content.jsp) (first video).
Still works for me..(using WMP)



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they messed it up... you probably have the video still in your cache i guess ;)

[CptGonzo]

I've just read that the new RoE's are ordered to the german ISAF soldiers.
Any infos?

[CPLHUNTER]

What kind of plate carrier vests do ze Germans use?

[Mork]

They use different kind of vests all manufactured by Mehler Vario.
The newest is a part of the IDZ-program:
http://www.m-v-s.de/uk/pdf/pdfstatisch/MI-275-949-IDZ.pdf
in the past german specialised forces were issued with this vest:
http://www.m-v-s.de/uk/pdf/pdfstatisch/S813-784.pdf
and regular forces with this:
http://www.m-v-s.de/uk/pdf/pdfstatisch/S813-758.pdf

As you can see the soldier on the last pic is wearing the second vest underneath his chest rig.

[CPLHUNTER]

Thanks.

Are these vests available to civis?

[nickless]

I've just read that the new RoE's are ordered to the german ISAF soldiers.
Any infos?

Yes, the ROEs have changed:

- Soldiers now may use their weapons to prevent attacks or to enforce their mission, not just in self-defence
- Soldiers may now shoot at retreating or fleeing opponents
- Soldiers no longer have to challenge opponents in three different languages (dari, pashtu and english) before shooting, thge challenge now is english only and may be skipped entirely if the situation mandates it.


What kind of plate carrier vests do ze Germans use?


In Afghanistan, that's now mostly the Idz body armor (http://www.m-v-s.de/uk/pdf/pdfstatisch/MI-275-949-IDZ.pdf).

Edited to add: The IdZ body armor generally is not available to civilians, although some of the surfaced on ebay sometime last year. The older Mehler ST vest is available as military surplus, even as complete set with kevlar inserts and ceramic plates.

[CPLHUNTER]

In Afghanistan, that's now mostly the Idz body armor (http://www.m-v-s.de/uk/pdf/pdfstatisch/MI-275-949-IDZ.pdf).

Thanks...looks like it's MOLLE compatible? Can civis buy the vest w/o the plates or armor?

[little icebear]

Can civis buy the vest w/o the plates or armor?

They are not illegal if that´s what you mean, but the IDZ-Bodyarmor is at the moment not marketed to the public. But every now and then, some vests are sold to the public (surplus and sometimes products with minor production errors).

@ compatibility - not really. With a bit of handywork you might be able fiddle molle stuff onto the vest - but it doesn´t really fit well.

[Herman the II]

General McChrystal Visits German Troops in Northern Afghanistan


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=da3_1248960945

And I spy with my little eye:
KZO (http://www.army-technology.com/projects/brevel/brevel3.html)
Its finally available in Astan, most excellent news....woot

[variable]

Can the KZO carry ordnance and engage targets like the Reaper? If not, is Germany planning to acquire a system that can?

[Herman the II]

Can the KZO carry ordnance and engage targets like the Reaper? If not, is Germany planning to acquire a system that can?

No weaponry or A2G capability on the KZO, its a pure RECCE platform. However it has way more range and endurance than the Aladin and Luna that were deployed until now.

You can find a video about the KZO on Bundeswehr.de (http://www.bundeswehr.de/portal/a/bwde/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLd443DnQHSYGZASH6kTCxoJRUfW99X4_83FT9AP2C3IhyR0dFRQCsXOUq/delta/base64xml/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS80SVVFLzZfQ18yVk1I?yw_contentURL=%2FC1256EF4002AED30%2FW27UDA3E192INFODE%2Fcontent.jsp)


Germany will lease 2 or 3 Heron-1 UAVs from Israel as a stop gap until the new EADS UAV becomes available. Those are bigger than the KZO and can theoretically carry weaponry, however Germany uses those platforms only for RECCE. So in Astan we will call the US of A for CAS, be it with manned or unmanned platforms...

[Mackie]

But KZO has it's own qualities Herman, especially combinded with a badass panzer. p-)

[Mork]

Can the KZO carry ordnance and engage targets like the Reaper? If not, is Germany planning to acquire a system that can?

It looks far to little to carry any weapons.....

[Silent Reader]

Can the KZO carry ordnance and engage targets like the Reaper? If not, is Germany planning to acquire a system that can?


actually Germany also plans something different... and in this case the KZO would be part of an unmanned attack system - though not in the traditional way.
The project is called WAPEB and includes two drones - KZO and the Israeli Herod loitering ammunition. in this system KZO would act as the eyes and ears for Herod which itself is a kamikaze UAV.

[Roland_09]

Maybe, just maybe, once KZO becomes operational in Afghanistan, that will serve as inducement to bring its "badass panzer" tag team partner into play?

Wishful thinking, I klnow...

[seventy6er]

Maybe, just maybe, once KZO becomes operational in Afghanistan, that will serve as inducement to bring its "badass panzer" tag team partner into play?

Wishful thinking, I klnow...

How does that work? Never heard of it before. Can you fill me in with some details?

[Roland_09]

I was referring to KZO's capability to provide real time target data directly to artillery systems like PzH 2000.

Rheinmetall's brochure:

http://www.rheinmetall-detec.de/index.php?lang=3&fid=3311

Let's hope KZO lives up to the manufacturer's claims.

[Mackie]

If they can work with the USAF, the KZO-to-PZH2000 shouldn't be the problem.
Someone from the Artillerieschule there? ^^

[CptGonzo]

Link (http://www.rheinmetall-detec.de/index.php?lang=3&fid=3311)

"Technical features".

There you go, works with PzH2000 and MLRS.

[Roland_09]

That is the exact same link I posted above. :)

[Herman the II]

Latest footage (mortar,Dingo, Marder):

http://www.youtube.com/v/i-zf_k_hpe0&hl=de&fs=1

[CptGonzo]

That is the exact same link I posted above. :)

Ah, you did...
Damn. Whatever, excuse my stupidness.

___________________________

Thanks for the video.

[usedtobe_2T046B5]

Latest footage (mortar,Dingo, Marder):

http://www.youtube.com/v/i-zf_k_hpe0&hl=de&fs=1


ACOG on the MG4 at 0:20?

Does anybody know the reason for it?

[Alpha-17]

ACOG on the MG4 at 0:20?

Does anybody know the reason for it?

Yep, definitely an ACOG, though not the 5.56 version US troops are issued. I'd venture a guess that it is personally owned/bought, but I'm not sure how such things are handled in the Bundeswehr.

As for why, could be the gunner likes it better than the normal sight. Other than that, I'm out of ideas.

[Mork]

They're also not carrying standard issue vests. they look like CIRAS or some copy to me...

[Tim292]

Despite all the emotion and speculation loaded discussion in the General Topics section, I would like to try keeping track of the pictures flowing in from Kunduz' battlefields during the last days. Please keep the discussion out of this thread, one sh*tstorm on mp.net over unconfirmed facts is more than enough!

Scene of the airstrike on two fuel trucks, Sept. 4th, 2009:

http://i30.tinypic.com/2hf4epi.jpg
http://i27.tinypic.com/2djas0j.jpg
http://i25.tinypic.com/b7f3fd.jpg
http://i27.tinypic.com/wj9xya.jpg
http://i25.tinypic.com/if23nm.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3685/610xwq.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7567/610xbg.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1039/610xnn.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/2941/610xxc.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8339/610xkt.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/944/610xp.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/5269/610xtg.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/6012/610xit.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3432/610xb.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2793/610xe.jpg
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5087/610xjv.jpg
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3337/610xy.jpg
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3739/610xu.jpg
http://i26.tinypic.com/1zwnaqr.jpg
http://i26.tinypic.com/10r36vq.jpg
http://i30.tinypic.com/2rc3ond.jpg
http://i25.tinypic.com/2d1jqr6.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/qzg4lh.jpg
http://i30.tinypic.com/akzy4i.jpg
http://i26.tinypic.com/2rh4rqp.jpg

Scene after a suicider hit a German convoy, Sept. 5th, 2009:
http://i29.tinypic.com/2dulf8y.jpg
http://i26.tinypic.com/m7ayb.jpg
http://i25.tinypic.com/4h9u3c.jpg
http://i28.tinypic.com/xgfzhf.jpg
http://i32.tinypic.com/fxcm5i.jpg
http://i27.tinypic.com/s5wu41.jpg
http://i25.tinypic.com/2znpds9.jpg

[Herman the II]

Can somebody ID the missile system on the Fuchs APC? Is that already the new Spike? Somewhat doesn't look like the old Milan (IIRC).

[CptGonzo]

Huh?
Looks like MILAN to me. Check google pictures.

[Germanfan]

IT´s a MILAN.

[Difool]

Why an ATGM against Taleban? To crack shelters?

[Jarhead]

Why an ATGM against Taleban? To crack shelters?
To blow up cover and suppress enemy groups.

[muck]

Why an ATGM against Taleban? To crack shelters?To destroy vehicles such as pickups and vans utilized by insurgents. Also there's little other weaponry in German arsenals suitable for suchlike purposes.

[zulu261]

Spotted some friends of mine there. Gladly they werent hurt badly.

They use private plate carriers and yes, it's the MILAN. They use it pretty often against the isurgents.

[CptGonzo]

As for the private Plate carriers: Looks like someone went shopping at the tasmanian tiger mall.

inb4 Airsoft ;-)

[Silent Reader]

They use private plate carriers and yes, it's the MILAN. They use it pretty often against the isurgents.


they probably can afford it since Milan is getting phased out anyway in a few years.. might as well blow up some ditches with it before they start rusting :)

[Mork]

Does anybody know why they're using private platecarries? Are the normal IDZ vest so inappropriate for their tasks?

[muck]

Does anybody know why they're using private platecarries? Are the normal IDZ vest so inappropriate for their tasks?Uparmoured IDZ vests can hardly be worn inside of a vehicle. So if you neet to get from A to B with a vehicle, your only choice is to take it off or to get a pain in the back.

[zulu261]

The IdZ vest is very bulky. My unit soon switched back to the older Mehler SK vests, because they offer more mobility...and these privatly bought are even better because theyre modular.

We can choose, other units cant.

[He219]

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2082/610xub.jpg

German ISAF soldiers, members of the Quick Reaction Force (QRF), get briefed prior to a mission outside Kunduz, Afghanistan, Wednesday, Sept. 9, 2009. German Chancellor Angela Merkel said the world should reserve judgment on whether civilians were killed in a German-ordered airstrike in Afghanistan, even as NATO said it believed that civilians had died in the attack.http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/1379/610xaj.jpg

German ISAF soldiers, members of the Quick Reaction Force (QRF), get briefed prior to a mission outside Kunduz, Afghanistan, Wednesday, Sept. 9, 2009.http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/9540/610xwn.jpg

German ISAF soldiers, members of the Quick Reaction Force (QRF), get briefed prior to a mission outside Kunduz, Afghanistan, Wednesday, Sept. 9, 2009.http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/8566/610xrd.jpg

A German ISAF soldier, a member of the Quick Reaction Force (QRF), waits in his armored personnel carrier to go on a mission outside Kunduz, Afghanistan, Wednesday, Sept. 9, 2009.http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/441/610xmb.jpg

A German ISAF soldier, a member of the Quick Reaction Force (QRF), checks his machine-gun prior to a mission outside Kunduz, Afghanistan, Wednesday, Sept. 9, 2009.http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/6062/610xoc.jpg

In this Wednesday, Sept 9, 2009 photo, soldiers with the NATO- led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) are seen during a routine event on the outskirts of Kunduz, north of Kabul, Afghanistan.
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/678/610xkx.jpg

A German International Security Assistance Force, ISAF, soldier, and member of the Quick Reaction Force (QRF) peers out of his armored vehicle after coming back from a mission outside Kunduz, Afghanistan, Thursday, Sept. 10, 2009.http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5812/610xtp.jpg

German ISAF soldiers, members of the Quick Reaction Force (QRF), unload their weapons after coming back from a mission outside Kunduz, Afghanistan, Thursday, Sept. 10, 2009.http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/953/610xam.jpg

A German International Security Assistance Force, ISAF, soldier, member of the Quick Reaction Force (QRF) returns back from a mission outside Kunduz, Afghanistan, Thursday, Sept. 10, 2009http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3218/610xep.jpg

German ISAF soldiers, members of the Quick Reaction Force (QRF), unload their weapons after coming back from a mission outside Kunduz, Afghanistan, Thursday, Sept. 10, 2009.http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2663/610xsz.jpg

A German ISAF soldier, member of the Quick Reaction Force (QRF), returns with his unit back from a mission outside Kunduz, Afghanistan, Thursday, Sept. 10, 2009.http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/233/610xzq.jpg

German ISAF soldiers, members of the Quick Reaction Force (QRF) embrace each other after coming back from a mission outside Kunduz, Afghanistan, Thursday, Sept. 10, 2009.
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A German ISAF soldier salutes as he arrives with his unit back to the base in Feyzabad, east of Kunduz, Afghanistan, Friday, Sept. 11, 2009.
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German ISAF soldiers arrive with their unit back to the base in Feyzabad, east of Kunduz, Afghanistan, Friday, Sept. 11, 2009. The unit was stuck for days in the area of Kunduz and came under heavy fire in which four soldiers where injured and evacuated to the field hospital in Kunduz.http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8307/610xdw.jpg

German ISAF soldiers hug each other after arriving with their unit back to the base in Feyzabad, east of Kunduz, Afghanistan, Friday, Sept. 11, 2009. The unit was stuck for days in the area of Kunduz and came under heavy fire in which four soldiers where injured and evacuated to the field hospital in Kunduz.http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6538/610xln.jpg

A German ISAF soldier looks on as others hug each other after arriving with their unit back to the base in Feyzabad, east of Kunduz, Afghanistan, Friday, Sept. 11, 2009. The unit was stuck for days in the area of Kunduz and came under heavy fire in which four soldiers where injured and evacuated to the field hospital in Kunduz.http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/1791/610xmm.jpg

A German ISAF soldier reacts after arriving with his unit back to the base in Feyzabad, east of Kunduz, Afghanistan, Friday, Sept. 11, 2009. The unit was stuck for days in the area of Kunduz and came under heavy fire in which four soldiers where injured and evacuated to the field hospital in Kunduz.Anybody have the story on this?
(other than the caption..)

[CptGonzo]

Outstanding and strong Photos HE, thanks a bunch!

Would be interested in the story, too. Looks like they've just gone through hell there.

[Zeckenteppich]

the story behind the pictures is here: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4404084&postcount=20

[Difool]

Kleiderordnung doesn't exist in Afghanistan?

[muck]

Kleiderordnung doesn't exist in Afghanistan?Yes, the 37/10 will be crucial for victory. Especially after a week of heavy combat.

[He219]

Thanks for the info, muck!
Cheers-
:)

[variable]

Strong pix.

Those should go through all newspapers in Germany!

[Fuschimuschi]

These pics almost made me cry, I'm so ****ing proud of them.

[seventy6er]

Strong pics, even the first where the two guys embrace each other and walk away from the camera (you only see their backs) sent a shiver down my spine. At that time I did not know what they went through (read it later), it is just a nice pic that displays comradeship, the bond that can develop when you work so close together, when you put your life in the hands of your comrades and vice versa.

Now that was philosophical, eh?

No, for real... Kudos to all our troops down there and godspeed!

Keep up the good work!

[Herman the II]

Three recent collections on flickr by isafmedia:

German RECCE / UAV: (LUNA, Yak vehicle, up armored UNIMOG)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/isafmedia/sets/72157622318888228/

German QRF: (infantry forces, mortar, modified Fuchs APC)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/isafmedia/sets/72157622318836438/

Medevac: (Fuchs, Duro)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/isafmedia/sets/72157622194237387/

[Createdeemcee]

Gripping Pics, Thank You Germany! For your Sacrafice to the cause and my BMW.

[CptGonzo]

Gripping Pics, Thank You Germany! For your Sacrafice to the cause and my BMW.

You just had to, right?

:D

[He219]

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/155/610xut.jpg

German ISAF soldiers are seen as they patrol the outskirts of Feyzabad, east of Kunduz, Afghanistan, Friday, Sept. 18, 2009.

[Roland_09]

In a fashion sense, Flecktarn should be the only acceptable combination with a Kufiya. At least when worn by Europeans. :)

[JCR]

Nice to see that ZDV 37/10 seems to have been thrown out of the window in AStan
:)

Re beards, how's the official policy? It seems that some units have them, others are totally clean shaven.

The AP photographs are powerful. Strangely enough, I haven't seen them in the german media at all. You could assume Stern would have them, or something like that.
Maybe they're too close to the realities of war for our media.

[little icebear]

Re beards, how's the official policy? It seems that some units have them, others are totally clean shaven.


Official policy as in "ordinary military service" is: If you´ve already got a beard it´s fine - you take care of it and make sure that it looks decently and not Wolfgang Thierse Style. ;)
But you can´t just start to grow one while your on a Biwak for example. If you start out cleanly shaven, you will continue to shave it every morning as part of your hygiene routine.

That´s the way I know it - but I have not been on deployment or something. Guess it is more relaxed when you´re in theatre.

[muck]

Consider what type of culture you've to face in Afghanistan. Men with beards will be more accepted by traditional Muslims.

[CptGonzo]

Consider what type of culture you've to face in Afghanistan. Men with beards will be more accepted by traditional Muslims.

Exactly. The people in AStan (at least the men) are easy to impress with two things: Weapons and Beards. Sounds funny, I know, but it is like that.

[little icebear]

Exactly. The people in AStan (at least the men) are easy to impress with two things: Weapons and Beards.

It´s noted. But what do you use to impress the women? p-)

[muck]

It´s noted. But what do you use to impress the women? p-)Why would you want to impress them?
They're hardly a threat, and they do hardly play a role in a traditionalist society like theirs.

[Blackburn]

holy crap man, why would you try to impress an afghani women? thats sick!

[Scythian]

Germans look very Afghan with a full grown beard.He is also not kidding.In Afghanistan only children and women do not have beard.

[little icebear]

Why would you want to impress them?

I´ll explain it to you when you´re older. :D

[Scythian]

Any more images with Germans and full grown beard.

[Silent Reader]

Any more images with Germans and full grown beard.


here you have all the winners in the different categories of the German Beard Championships of 2009

Link (http://www.verband-deutscher-bartclubs.de/vdbjoomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=35&Itemid=77)

hope this satisfies your curiosity ;)

they even have a freestyle category for full grown beards (at the bottom) :D

[JoaMei]

It´s noted. But what do you use to impress the women? p-)

You dont want to know what some afghani men do to impress their women.... :roll:

[Blackburn]

Any more images with Germans and full grown beard.

well, i could now post pictures of myself but no... oh wait, actually there are offical pictures of myself around mp.net! ;-)

[JCR]

holy crap man, why would you try to impress an afghani women? thats sick!

Why? The afghan women I know are all quite good looking.
If you can get past armies of extremely watchful brothers and hopefuls...

Re the beard, I know the usual service regulations (even though I never filed a "Bartgesuch"), I asked about the Afghan situation.

[Scythian]

Me in Afghanistan the elders considered me to be clean shaven. The tribe is Sakazai.

Saka means Scythian in Pashto Language of Afghanistan and Zai means Son in Pashto,The whole translation of my families tribe -Sakazai- Son Of Scythian.Last I heard they went to our relatives into Waziristan.But I was the only one who was let into France.

Few years ago.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/443/n50370432611732443825.jpg

Elders

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1184/afghansnap600fmjp1.jpg

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/9869/pathaanprofilerw6.jpg

[muck]

I´ll explain it to you when you´re older. :DOh, that "impress". But both sexes?

That being said, I heard some Afghan leaders favour both sexes just as well.

[He219]

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/2006/610xtf.jpg

German soldiers arrive at Char Dara district Chief Police Station on the outskirts of Kunduz on September 20, 2009.
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7079/610xd.jpg
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5439/610xw.jpg
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/769/610xlh.jpg
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/166/610xby.jpg
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/3766/610xes.jpg
Heckler & Koch
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/3502/610xfj.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3075/610xz.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3817/610xio.jpg

German soldiers return, after a patrol, to a German military base in Kunduz on September 19, 2009. NATO officials have accused a German officer of giving false information to the alliance when he ordered a deadly air strike in Afghanistan, the daily Financial Times Deutschland said. The NATO sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity according to the newspaper, said Colonel Georg Klein told alliance partners that German soldiers were in direct contact with the enemy when he called for the bombing which killed several civilians in Kunduz province.http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/9943/610xfg.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2742/610xgq.jpg
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/3196/610xnf.jpg
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7140/610xpf.jpg

ISAF soldiers attend a memorial service for the six soldiers killed after a suicide car bomb hit a military convoy on the main airport road near the U.S. Embassy, as they prepare to send the bodies home at the military airport September 19, 2009 in Kabul, Afghanistan. Italy suffered its deadliest attack in Afghanistan on Thursday, with about 2,800 soldiers in the country, four Italian soldiers were also injured with sixteen Afghans killed and at least 52 civilians wounded in the attack.http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/8835/610xxoc.jpg

[Panzermensch]

SOme pics from the ISAFmedia Flickr Stream. I was too lazy to add all the captions, but you can see em here (pics added 22.09.2009) :
http://www.flickr.com/photos/isafmedia/3946336205/in/photostream/

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2201/39471457246804c8f88cb.jpg

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/677/3947145174ae7a8001eab.jpg

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9753/39471444669889cba3ebb.jpg

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2133/39463623596d668e271bb.jpg

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2372/394636197568b968e4dfb.jpg

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5944/3946359627f4a29f277eb.jpg

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1756/3946359127f54987fc57b.jpg

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9877/394713984663353b03bcb.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4088/3946355635f984f6417eb.jpg

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3183/3947133622c4c8be9829b.jpg

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3324/394634822163fc649368b.jpg

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4782/39471284964be3b00577b.jpg

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/102/3946346835dc80d1c3abb.jpg

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2898/39463455193f3dbe7577b.jpg

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/75/3946344219faa7a91105b.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/224/39463436735d2d77353eb.jpg

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8068/3947124354198cd5e4b7b.jpg

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7861/3947121746d1dab9677bb.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7656/3946340081532c611ccfb.jpg

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/8947/3946338205c61510816bb.jpg

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4660/39463377176a57dc8855b.jpg

Hopefully no reposts ;)

[Herman the II]

Thanks!
Good to see that the new Eagle IV already has the FLW100 mounted.

[Roland_09]

Good to see the lads have their cigars mounted. :) Enjoy!!

[CptGonzo]

GREAT pics. Thank you a lot!

[JanusHu]

Thanks for sharing all this pics, are great. My best wishes to the German troops deployed in Afganistan.

[He219]

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/3947/610xv.jpg

Steven Brueckner, German police officer speaks with children in Balkh, Afghanistan on October 15, 2009. The soldiers and police are taking part in the Focused District Development (FDD) program where Afghan Police are been trained to take over the responsibilty for security.http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/3947/610xv.jpg

German Police officer Stephan Beie speaks to residents in the city of Balkh, Afghanistan on October 15, 2009. The soldiers and police are taking part in the Focused District Development (FDD) program where Afghan Police are been trained to take over the responsibilty for security.http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7875/610xfh.jpg

German soldiers on patrol walk past the Green Mosque in Balkh, Afghanistan on October 15, 2009. http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/5900/610xm.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/3432/610xb.jpg

German soldiers patrol in the city of Balkh, Afghanistan on October 15, 2009. The soldiers and police are taking part in the Focused District Development (FDD) program where Afghan Police are been trained to take over the responsibilty for security.http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8128/610xol.jpg
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A German soldier mans a checkpoint in Balkh, Afghanistan on October 15, 2009.
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German soldier and Afghan police man a checkpoint in Balkh, Afghanistan together with Afghan Police (ANP) on October 15, 2009. The soldiers and police are taking part in the Focused District Development (FDD) program where Afghan Police are been trained to take over the responsibilty for security.

[muck]

Good pics. Never saw those police instructors in out-of-base missions before.

[Mork]

Does anybody know to what kinda unit these police officers belong to? Are they part of the Bundespolizei?

[variable]

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/3947/610xv.jpg

Note that he's got his holster open. I saw that on various pics before. Is it intention or did he just forget to close it?

Good pics btw! :)

[Zeckenteppich]

here is a video from Spiegel Online about some ISAF troops
http://www.spiegel.de/video/video-1027588.html

[Zeckenteppich]

Spiegel Online did it again.
http://www.spiegel.de/video/video-1027759.html
sorry also in german

[CptGonzo]

New Video about the Eagle at the BW-Homepage.

Thought you might be interested.

Click (http://www.bundeswehr.de/portal/a/bwde/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLd443DnQHSYGZASH6kTCxoJRUfW99X4_83FT9AP2C3IhyR0dFRQCsXOUq/delta/base64xml/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS80SVVFLzZfQ18yVk1I?yw_contentURL=%2FC1256EF4002AED30%2FW27XQDVT567INFODE%2Fcontent.jsp)

[variable]

Eagle IV hit by an IED:

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9364/bodenverformunginnen.jpg
Deformation of the groundplate.

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1967/minienverriegelung.jpg
Deformed anti-mine shutter.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9896/seiteo.jpg
Hit siderail.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2189/untenn.jpg

I haven't checked all the posts, so sorry if repost.

Source: http://eltiradorsolitario.blogspot.com/2009/10/mowag-eagle-aleman-tras-sufrir-un.html

Ben

[variable]

http://www.defence.gov.au/opEx/global/opcatalyst/images/gallery/2009/0424/20090422adf8239716_096.jpg

:)

[Zeckenteppich]

http://www.defence.gov.au/opEx/global/opcatalyst/images/gallery/2009/0424/20090422adf8239716_096.jpg

:)

SECDET XIV Private Andrew Logan (L) and Corporal Andrew Brydon (R) are shown the weapons used by the German Embassy close personal protection team in Baghdad.

p-)
They certainly use that stuff in Kabul too.

[variable]

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/7326/image32196galleryv9fgwl.jpg

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/1756/image32197galleryv9vwjs.jpg

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/3339/image32314galleryv9ghif.jpg



Source: spiegel.de

Ben

[CptGonzo]

Still no M3M?

It's taking ages to introduce...

[Herman the II]

Seems KTzG enjoys his Astan trip. At least he doesn't look completely displaced like his predecessors did most of the time.

[variable]

He seems to dig the doorguns :D

http://www.faz.net/m/%7B49DDDB12-EFEC-4329-BA28-757CF815176E%7DPicture.jpg

[He219]

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4071/610xie.jpg
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/9773/610xq.jpg

German Defence Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg meets German army Bundeswehr soldiers during a short visit to their military camp in Kunduz, northern Afghanistan November 13, 2009. On his first trip to Afghanistan since taking on the defence portfolio last month, Guttenberg said Germany, whose parliament is due to vote in December on whether to extend its peacekeeping mandate there, needed to see "clear cut" signs of progress. Germany has the third largest contingent of troops in the NATO mission in Afghanistan.http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/889/610xc.jpg

German Defence Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg (C) is helped with his flak jacket as he meets German army Bundeswehr soldiers during a short visit to their military camp in Kunduz, northern Afghanistan November 13, 2009.

[variable]

Not many BKA personnel in the zG pics..

But cool pics nonetheless:)

[variable]

http://www.bundeswehr.de/portal/a/bwde/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLd443DnQHSYGZASH6kTCxoJRUfW99X4_83FT9AP2C3IhyR0dFRQCsXOUq/delta/base64xml/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS80SVVFLzZfQ18yVk1I?yw_contentURL=%2FC1256EF4002AED30%2FW27XVJCD789INFODE%2Fcontent.jsp

4 minute vid about KTzGs visit of PRT Kunduz.
German only.

He mainly thanks the soldiers for their effort and for what they've achieved. Also one medic tells the minister, that they had to camo the red cross on their vehicles because the insurgents targeted the red crosses on purpose.

Ben

[variable]

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3392/mortar.jpg

Thanks to "hummingbird" of whq-forum.de

[CptGonzo]

Wasnt that one of the pics that came out as the QRF was deployed for the first time?

[.Jonny]

actually those guys are part of the 5./373. picture should be from summer 2008. The para's were attached to the PzGren because they had no mortars at that time.

[JCR]

At the time?
I thought they generally eliminated the heavy companies from the PzGren battalions?
A really idiotic thing to do, actually, but so typical of the Bundeswehr "reforms"...

[Herman the II]

No they didn't fortunately.
The "Neues Heer" originally planed for 9 sInfKp but currently its down to only 4 with the lePzMrs/Wiesel 2.

[variable]

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3500/image35546galleryv9abwi.jpg

[variable]

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7581/029ti.jpg

[shadoff]

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7581/029ti.jpg

hm... same airsoft :roll:

[CptGonzo]

hm... same airsoft :roll:

Are you trying to say that he is an airsofter or are you saying that you own that gun as an airsoft?

[muck]

hm... same airsoft :roll:What a terrific first post...

[radtkalon]

Greetings everyone!
First post...hope it works...:roll: