Afghanistan - Germany's contingent (56k be gone) !!!

[facundo]

little-icebear

Thank you very much for the reply.

I see in Afghanistan at the hands of the German military to H & K G-3GS / 1, H & K PSG-1D and H & K MSG-90.

These weapons are used in such scenario

[Zeckenteppich]

i did not saw the psg and the msg with bw in astan

[muck]

little-icebear

Thank you very much for the reply.

I see in Afghanistan at the hands of the German military to H & K G-3GS / 1, H & K PSG-1D and H & K MSG-90.

These weapons are used in such scenarioThe Bundeswehr uses neither of these, mate. The weapons of choice are a G3ZF, which is basically a handpicked standard battle rifle and upgraded with a scope, as well as the G22 chambered in .300 WinMag and the G82 chambered in .50 BMG.
Soon the G3s will be replaced by a new designated marksman's rifle.

[Veto11]

Maybe he saw German police officers of the GPPT Mission (German Police Project Team). They wear the same BDUs as the Bundeswehr.

[JoaMei]

It is. In 300. Winchester Magnum. Designated as "G22". Bugger me, why they didn´t go for the .338 variant...

Because .338 was too expensive.

[Goodbert]

the G 22 is an Defensiv sniper rifle ..

cause the Bundeswehr is an defence Force ...:roll: :-D

[facundo]

Amigos

Thank you all for the answers

That weapon will replace the H & K G-3 used by designated marksmen? HK-417?

Saludos

[Jester]

That weapon will replace the H & K G-3 used by designated marksmen? HK-417?
No, the 417 failed during the test. Currently there is a market screening going on, to find the successor.

[hOMEr_jAy]

Didn´t someone here on MP.net say that the civilian version of the HK 417 is being "re-militarized" again and will probably be used as the new DMR?

[AirCommando]

Until this will happen, an imterim upgrade programm for the remaining G3ZF will close the gap between the G36 und the G22. After that, a full upgraded version of the G3 will be the standard G3ZF-DMR in service for the infantry. The G27 is allready a HK417 in service with SOF units. Behind that, a "sniper rifle for short distances" for SF and MP is searched. Probably this will be the militarized HK M223. Four different programms.

[Veto11]

... Probably this will be the militarized HK M223. Four different programms.

Not simply the HK416 (D20RS)?

[marko16]

I would like to know more on 416 failure. It didn't meet expectations, but that could mean it was still an MOA rifle, just not a sub MOA. The not meeting expectations makes it sound like junk, but it still could be very good.

[muck]

'Tis about the HK417, not her little sister.

Several rifles were taken to the proving grounds and tested with different types of ammunition on a distance of 600 metres. The purple marked results on the left show the G27's perfomance, the crimson ones belong to the ex works HK417, the yellow and light blue ones to a pair of MR308s (civilian HK417s) with different barrel sizes and the ochre ones to the MSG-90. The columns singled out on the right provide a basis of comparison by showing the results of the currently issued G3ZF, the G22 and the SVD Dragunov.

http://i.imgur.com/TfCJq.jpg

[whiskey]

@ muck,

do you have that results picture in a higher resolution?

thanks in advance

[muck]

Nope, I don't.

[AirCommando]

Not simply the HK416 (D20RS)?

No, the HK416 didn´t meet the expectations, wich the HK civilian HK MR223 did. Anyway, the military version is cheaper and I guess build with less severe criteria. The civilian version was supposed to be sold to sport-shooters with the right pocket money and very sportive ambitions. Anyway, this results are not a surprise. Most of the civilian versions from military rifles are more expensive, build with more severe cirteria and pushed in the sport-market. However, the HK 417 is still a great rifle (Sturmgewehr, schwer, Spezialkraefte, G27). After all, the Bundeswehr wanted a "single shot only" rifle..........

[Priby]

So the Dragunow it is then;)

[Veto11]

... Anyway, the military version is cheaper and I guess build with less severe criteria. The civilian version was supposed to be sold to sport-shooters with the right pocket money and very sportive ambitions. ...

Most of the civilian versions from military rifles are more expensive, build with more severe cirteria and pushed in the sport-market. However, the HK 417 is still a great rifle (Sturmgewehr, schwer, Spezialkraefte, G27). After all, the Bundeswehr wanted a "single shot only" rifle..........

I don't think so. That there are made under different conditions belonging to technical specifications/tolerances. All we know the MR223/308 barrels and bolt heads are made with "different tools just for the civilian market", haha, and the barrel lengths differs some mm. Maybe the trigger of the MR223/308 is smoother etc. than the 416/417, who knows, I not.

Different prices? Because I buy one and not several thousands (if I had the money and didn't be old school preferring the MKE T41/43 ;) ).

A single shot DMR? I really hope it had to be a semi auto. By the way, I think thats what the safety/fire selector lever offers as an option...

[AirCommando]

Well, just go over the official specifications of the HK 416 and the MR223. I guess all questions will be answered.

Sure, the quantity makes the price. But if HK allready nows that the MR223 will be more expensive and for a small but matching market, why not use higher quality pieces with less tolerance from the beginning?

Yes, single shot DMR. No kidding. HK will point-weld the automatic-burst and convert it (the G3-DMR) in a single shot-rifle using the same SEF-trigger part. It was requested by the Bundeswehr. Don´t ask why........

And by the way, to use the Dragunov in this test is really out of competition and probably more "marketing" than serious work.

[JCR]

Einzelfeuer in english should be semi-auto.
Not even the BW will convert a fully auto rifle into a bolt action rifle or a muzzle loading musket ;)

[Veto11]

OK, you mean semi auto. The last single shot rifles were the Prussian Dreyse needle gun M 1849 and the captured Chassepot Fusil modèle 1866. ;)

[variable]

OK, this is getting real sad. More than 2 months neither pic nor vid! :(

Here's a new one from RTL Regional (note the "Marders" in Barracuda dress!):

http://www.rtlregional.de/player.php?id=15170

Someone tell what the artillery guys do in the end, please!

[Refuler01]

OK, this is getting real sad. More than 2 months neither pic nor vid! :(

Here's a new one from RTL Regional (note the "Marders" in Barracuda dress!):

http://www.rtlregional.de/player.php?id=15170

Someone tell what the artillery guys do in the end, please!

Nice find, note that there are two parts of the documentation.

The Barracuda dress is nothing new there. But the cube-shaped air condition device at the hulls rear (left side) shows that it´s one of the new Marder 1A5A1 version, 10 delivered in december 2010, 25 are to be modified till august.

[tercio67]

Someone tell what the artillery guys do in the end, please!

Look like Forward Observers (or FAC's) to me, calling in a Fire Mission.

[Japsen]

Omg xD RTL xD But ty for finaly a new Post! :)

[variable]

Thanks, Tercio!

So that's a "fire mission"? Looks like small explosions. Unexpected to me.


And yes, it's RTL. Don't like the commentary either. :)

[tercio67]

Thanks, Tercio!

So that's a "fire mission"? Looks like small explosions. Unexpected to me.

It's all about the desired 'effect', does not matter what is used; CAS, CCA, GBFS or NGFS.
(looked like a training mission with smoke)

[tercio67]

The first Boxer armored vehicles have been delivered to the Bundeswehr's Gebirgsjägerbrigade (Mountain Infantry Brigade) 23.
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http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9945/boxer1.png (http://img685.imageshack.us/i/boxer1.png/)

http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/1182/boxer2.png (http://img810.imageshack.us/i/boxer2.png/)

Photos: Heer/Sebastian Zäch
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The first Bundeswehr Boxers will deploy to Afghanistan (http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog:27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post:64f315d1-3d39-4046-97b3-1b4b5f394473) in July with Jägerbataillon (Light Infantry Battalion) 292. Extra mine protection for the deployment will add two tons to the 33-ton vehicle.
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Aviation week article;
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3a29bf379f-8abc-488b-8979-c7dae7114a77

[zulu261]

Now hurry them over to A-Stan. No better place to fieldtest them. The .50 is needed.

[Smok]

Now hurry them over to A-Stan. No better place to fieldtest them. The .50 is needed.

x2
I wonder how good will these machines be. That will be a "competition" between Boxers and Rosomaks ;)

[Frank the soldier]

Now hurry them over to A-Stan. No better place to fieldtest them. The .50 is needed.

I agree them ....
But why didn `t the Boxer seriell the Mine Protection ???

[tercio67]

I agree them ....
But why didn `t the Boxer seriell the Mine Protection ???

It is mine protected by design. IED's Tend to be a lot bigger than mines though.

[toki]

Turkish for sure, but listen how he ****ounces "Aufnahmeverfahren" and how the last "n" of "absitzen" is stressed.

Sounds VERY familiar to me. And I live in the region around cologne.

Agree, he definitely is from our region (i'm in Düsseldorf), that sing-sang, it's too funny. After "Aufnaaahme-varfaahrön" you could almost play a "tusch"... tatäää... wo? Im Jaaarten?... nee im helllikopter du blööd" tatäää tatäää

A very Rheinisch Turk, lots of them here. Fitting would be Karnevalsmusik in the background.

[Tim292]

Just spotted in the ARD Exclusive documentary "The lost battalion":

Is that a Cal.50 on a Dingo?157842

[variable]

Yes, it is!

Wow, you just mention this docu without linking it! A new docu! Buddy, post stuff like this :)

http://www.ardmediathek.de/ard/servlet/content/3517136?documentId=7353568

[variable]

Well, not much news in it, frankly. But I noticed the new Marder 1A5A1. That's great. Also the .50 on the Dingo is an improvement.

[ls23]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbAJv788fyM&feature=feedu

[Tim292]

Two shocking pictures of the IED against the Marder on June 2nd. source: bild.de

No.1 shows the totally destroyed Marder - quite a miracle that we didn't suffer more casualties.
No.2 shows the bomb crater, which was 7m*11m and 4m deep according to Bild.

Good god....200kg of explosives..

The pictures belong to the Bild Zeitung.

[Zeckenteppich]

holy crap, i couldn't see that this is a marder. a miracle that there weren't more casualties.

[Bleifuss]

That's unreal , definatly a miracle that not more of the crew got killed.

[JCR]

Yes, when I saw that pic I was amazed anyone actually survived this explosion.

[trikora88]

A picture made available June 8, 2011, shows German Bundeswehr armed forces armoured howitzer Panzerhaubitze 2000 as it is loaded into a Russian Antonov AH-124-100 cargo plane in Mazar-e-Sharif, north of Kabul, May 28, 2011. Picture taken May 28, 2011.

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[Refuler01]

That's unreal , definatly a miracle that not more of the crew got killed.

The Marder hasn´t been blown into pieces. The hull is intact. Only pieces of additional armour and stowing bins have been blown off. The european three-colour camo can be seen. The survival of most of the crew is a result of intensive modifications.
So there is no miracle. Although sad enough that technical possibilities are outreached by pure masses of explosives.

[HadesssLoakoon]

Army admits shooting, driving problems ...

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20110623-35851.html

[Dave76]

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/9964/isaf16.jpg

MAZAR-E-SHARIF, Afghanistan. (June 19, 2011) Soldiers assigned to the International Security Assistance Force gather around a weapons familiarization table. ISAF soldiers conduct the familiarization training so individuals can get acquainted with other nations' weapons systems. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Jonathan David Chandler/Released)http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/1465/isaf17.jpg

MAZAR-E-SHARIF, Afghanistan. (June 19, 2011) A soldier, assigned to the International Security Assistance Force explains a G3A3ZF sniper rifle with a Hendoldt 4x24 optical sight to a fellow ISAF soldier. ISAF soldiers conduct the familiarization training so individuals can get acquainted with other nations' weapons systems. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Jonathan David Chandler/Released)

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MAZAR-E-SHARIF, Afghanistan. (June 19, 2011) Two Soldiers assigned to the International Security Assistance Force discuss aircraft from their own nations during an aircraft familiarization. ISAF soldiers conduct the familiarization training so individuals can get acquainted with other nations' aircraft. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Jonathan David Chandler/Released)

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MAZAR-E-SHARIF, Afghanistan (June 19, 2011) A soldier assigned to the International Security Assistance Force holds a G3A3ZF rifle with a Hendoldt 4x24 optical sight during weapons familiarization. ISAF soldiers conduct familiarization training so individuals can get acquainted with other nations' weapons systems. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communications Specialist First Class Burt Eichen/Released)
Caption got it wrong, it's obviously a Schmidt & Bender scope. And it's Hensoldt, not Hendoldt.

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MAZAR-E-SHARIF, Afghanistan (June 15, 2011) A soldier assigned to the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) explains the details of a unmanned aerial aircraft to fellow International Security Assistance Force soldiers. ISAF soldiers conduct the familiarization training so individuals can get acquainted with other nations' weapon systems. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communications Specialist First Class Burt Eichen/Released)http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/4200/isaf21f.jpg

MAZAR-E-SHARIF, Afghanistan. (June 13, 2011) Soldiers assigned to International Security Assistance Force pose with an AH-64D Apache helicopter after an aircraft familiarization demonstration. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Nicholas A. Garratt/Released)http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7089/isaf22.jpg

MAZAR-E-SHARIF, Afghanistan. (June 13, 2011) A Soldier attached to the International Security Assistance Force takes aim from a UH-60L Blackhawk during an aircraft familiarization demonstration. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Nicholas A. Garratt/Released)

[Steak-Sauce]

Army admits shooting, driving problems ...

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20110623-35851.html
By Jove! The soldier on the left looks like Steiner himself.

Oustanding pics, Dave76!

[variable]

http://www.spiegel.de/images/image-228446-galleryV9-isri.jpg

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[JoaMei]

That's unreal , definatly a miracle that not more of the crew got killed.

Maybe there was just the driver inside the vehicle when the explosion occured?

The G-force of the explosion accelerating the vehicle would have possibly broken the neck of anyone inside?

[JCR]

http://www.spiegel.de/images/image-228446-galleryV9-isri.jpg

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YEEAAAAAHHH!!!!

The official caption was "german officer training afghans at DSHK" but to me it looks more like he's having a lot of fun.

[HowieMunson]

Boxer on the Way to Afghanistan:


Five group transport vehicles (GTK) Boxer are on their way to the ISAF mission in Afghanistan. The new armored vehicle will be used in a training and protection battalions of the German Army . This represents an increase of protection and mobility for the soldiers in action.
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[variable]

Boxer in AFG pics and story:



In Camp Marmal, the Boxer Armored Transport Vehicles (ATV) were prepared for their mission in Afghanistan. When their crews arrive in the next days, the modern armored transport vehicles will further increase the combat effectiveness of the force in the north of Afghanistan.

"The Boxer ATVs are all combat-ready," states an employee of Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (KMW) in Camp Marmal. On the 23rd and 24th of July, two Antonov transport aircraft brought a total of five Boxer ATVs to Mazar-e Sharif. After they were unloaded on the airfield of Camp Marmal, the armored transport vehicles were immediately examined as to any possible damages during the flight. Then, the functions of the electronic systems had to be tested under the climatic conditions in Afghanistan. Within five days, all vehicles had been checked and are now ready for their handover to the Task Force (TF) MES. When the TF MES has taken over the Boxers, soldiers will deploy to the Observation Post (OP) North with four of them. In patrol operations, it provides high combat power through modern optics and remote-controlled weapon stations.

Smooth maintenance and repair

A smooth maintenance and repair of these vehicles is of enormous importance to the force due to their protective performance. Thus, large amounts of spare parts are kept ready by KMW in Camp Marmal. The same amount is planned for the OP North. Soldiers have been previously trained for smaller repair works in OP North by KMW in Aachen, Germany. A fifth Boxer ATV is retained in Camp Marmal as an exchange reserve in order to be able to quickly react to failures. In case a Boxer breaks down, the replacement vehicle is immediately provided to the TF MES. The broken down vehicle will be brought to Camp Marmal, unless it can be repaired in the OP. There the required repair is carried out.
The Boxer ATV is based on a modular system. It can be used as group transport, command or medical vehicle, depending on the requirements. For this, individual assemblies have to be exchanged.

Improved protection for the soldiers

The safety of soldiers inside the vehicle has also reached new levels. For example, the seat belts contain airbags which – just like in a regular vehicle – inflate upon impact and protect the soldiers.
The Boxer ATV does not only have a different look than the Dingo and the Eagle. It also provides soldiers with extensive stowage space for weapons, ammunitions and other materiel in the crew compartment. The seats can be adjusted in height and slid towards the middle of the crew compartment or towards the outer hull. In addition, there are height-adjustable headrests for optimal relief of the neck area. The armrests between the seats also serve as rifle holders.
A special feature for the soldiers is the possibility to heat up water inside the vehicle by means of an installed 2-stage electric kettle. One ready-made meal of the field ration of a soldier also fits in a part of the electric kettle. Soldiers can directly tap the warm water from a faucet. In this way, the Boxer ATV can also support soldiers with regard to their physical sustainability. No food no fight.
“The idea is that the crew can remain aboard the Boxer with their rations for at least 72 hours," said Henning D., employee of KMW in Camp Marmal. For this timeframe, other areas have to be considered as well. Toilet seats can be quickly installed by hand under the seats. Afterwards, the inbuilt feces bag is disposed of and the seat cushion reinstalled.
After all, however, the added value for soldiers on missions lies in the improved mine protection and the ballistic protection against fire from medium-caliber weapons. The Boxer ATV enables soldiers to operate autonomously on the battlefield and in the end increases the combat effectiveness of the infantry group by its improved protective equipment.

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110702-O-XXXXK-001 MAZAR-E-SHARIF, Afghanistan. (July 28, 2011) The first German Army Boxer Armored Transport Vehicles deployed to Northern Afghanistan arrive at Camp Marmal, International Security Assistance Force, Regional Command North. The Boxer is equipped with modern optics and remote-controlled weapons stations and provides improved protection to its crews. (RC North Public Affairs photo by Tech. Sgt. Florian Krumbach/Released) Pressestelle_MeS/Krumbach

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110702-O-XXXXK-002 MAZAR-E-SHARIF, Afghanistan. (July 28, 2011) The first German Army Boxer Armored Transport Vehicles deployed to Northern Afghanistan arrive at Camp Marmal, International Security Assistance Force, Regional Command North. The Boxer is equipped with modern optics and remote-controlled weapons stations and provides improved protection to its crews. The Boxer is also equipped with crew toilets as seen here. (RC North Public Affairs photo by Tech. Sgt. Florian Krumbach/Released) Pressestelle_MeS/Krumbach

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110702-O-XXXXK-003 MAZAR-E-SHARIF, Afghanistan. (July 28, 2011) The first German Army Boxer Armored Transport Vehicles deployed to Northern Afghanistan arrive at Camp Marmal, International Security Assistance Force, Regional Command North. The Boxer is equipped with modern optics and remote-controlled weapons stations and provides improved protection to its crews. The Boxer is also equipped with height-adjustable seats as seen here. (RC North Public Affairs photo by Tech. Sgt. Florian Krumbach/Released) Pressestelle_MeS/Krumbach

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110702-O-XXXXK-004 MAZAR-E-SHARIF, Afghanistan. (July 28, 2011) The first German Army Boxer Armored Transport Vehicles deployed to Northern Afghanistan arrive at Camp Marmal, International Security Assistance Force, Regional Command North. The Boxer is equipped with modern optics and remote-controlled weapons stations and provides improved protection to its crews. The Boxer is also equipped with a kettle to heat water as seen here. (RC North Public Affairs photo by Tech. Sgt. Florian Krumbach/Released) Pressestelle_MeS/Krumbach

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110702-O-XXXXK-005 MAZAR-E-SHARIF, Afghanistan. (July 28, 2011) The first German Army Boxer Armored Transport Vehicles deployed to Northern Afghanistan arrive at Camp Marmal, International Security Assistance Force, Regional Command North. The Boxer is equipped with modern optics and remote-controlled weapons stations and provides improved protection to its crews. The Boxer is also equipped with a crew toilet as seen here. (RC North Public Affairs photo by Tech. Sgt. Florian Krumbach/Released) Pressestelle_MeS/Krumbach


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110702-O-XXXXK-008 MAZAR-E-SHARIF, Afghanistan. (July 28, 2011) The first German Army Boxer Armored Transport Vehicles deployed to Northern Afghanistan arrive at Camp Marmal, International Security Assistance Force, Regional Command North. The Boxer is equipped with modern optics and remote-controlled weapons stations and provides improved protection to its crews. The Boxer is also equipped with numerous mirrors and cameras to give its crew a 360-degree view of its surroundings. (RC North Public Affairs photo by Tech. Sgt. Florian Krumbach/Released) Pressestelle_MeS/Krumbach

[muck]

A nice and clean mobile field toilet, sheer luxury on the battlefield.

[variable]

They probably will build in a second one soon, coz the ladies complain about sharing the loo..

[Al-Bundy]

I like this Boxer ATV, reminds me of another favorite Patria AMV.

[Alex G]

So many pictures of main feature on Boxer - toilet!

[Al-Bundy]

What is the advantage of a toilet in a APC?
I see it totally as unnecessary, waste of space and extra complications.

[flanker7]

Try to sh1t in an NBC enviroment mr Bundy

[tluassa]

@ Al-Bundy ( sad that especially Al-Bundy disapproves this toilet ^^)

Its just under one seat that can be converted by simply pulling up the seat. You need seats anyway in an APC dont you ?

[wiking]

another point i've heard is from some people complaining how it's a right crappy situation when you're rattling about in an apc on ex, just waiting and praying you'll dismount sometime soon, so you can jump out and lay a cable. its not like you can stop a platoon\company\battalion movement, just because you've got a bowel movement coming on. Ad in Terry Taliban possibly taking a shot at you and the rest of the unit, then a crapper in the APC becomes an engenious idea.

[picanha the second]

It's no Ferguson.....when already talking about the ****ter in the Boxer....It seems not to be that simple because one placard says Toilettensitz (toiletseat) while the other says Feldtoilette (fieldtoilet)? Following the description, and to make things complicated you may have to disassemble the seat and attach it to the fieldtoilet. Or the fieldtoilet seat can be put outside the Boxer? Confusion....so many toilets hopefully the armour proves itself then one can have a fine dump at the delight of your comrades with nice odours from the heated MREs.....:oops:

[Greither]

or is it that fieldtoilet means that there is the chemical department where all the stuff is stored until emptied? I guess it will be used in real cases of emergency only. Just imagine you need to change places with the one sitting there on the normal seat, get off your trousers and pants with all the other gear in a room in which you can´t stay up right by far and that might on top of it all be moving and shaking.

Relax. Have fun.

[Dc5-driver]

The toilet is useless, things coult be perfectly done without such luxery items.
Take a chear make a hole in it and use a plastic bag, this thing needs to be cleaned e.c.
Just d*mn improvise instead requesting more luxery items, what others said the ladies are gona whine now to about privacy e.c.
This thing coult take a whole unit out of action due sicknes, nothing as clean and relax to take a sh*t in the woods.
A APC/IFV moves the guys and equiment from A to B, most of the time your outside becuse it`s a large target.
Even in the APC you coult take a bottle or a bag, buddies are there to help..

[Steak-Sauce]

An interesting feature.

Here's hope the Boxer APCs will serve our troops well on the battlefield.

[Straker]

Are they seriously talking up a BV (Boiling Vessel) as a new invention?

[Goodbert]

and again why buy hundreds of units of an untested APC,

the boxer is at best a technologie study
too heavy ,to big, wheels ,almost unarmed , built for use on European roads and not in the desert type terrain of today's conflicts without propper infrastructure like bridges

In the worst case it's a great camping toilet with NBC protection
even fancy adjustable seats and a cooking plate are not so great if u got stuck in the mud ore the tire catches fire from a simple molotov cocktail ...

this beast has a ground pressure of over 4 Tonnes!! per wheel


i hope for the troops in the field i'm wrong an it proofs usefull after all

also i hope for photos .... plenty of it .. i must admit it looks cool at least

[Steak-Sauce]

Aye, let's get back to battle-proven M113 Gavins.. Muahahaha.

[kato2k6]

nothing as clean and relax to take a sh*t in the woods.
Getting out of the vehicle and moving off the side of the dirt road - in current deployment environments - to take a sh*t in the woods is likely to either: get you shot, hit a mine, become a good opportunity for some mortar fire on the vehicle or for someone to sneak up with some hand grenades.
And it's a dry chemical toilet. You don't clean it, you pull out the bag with the bound feces, throw it away and put in a new one.


Aye, let's get back to battle-proven M113 Gavins.. Muahahaha.
Well, if that restriction the TÜV put on them is still active you wouldn't even need to stop them for people to get out and relieve themselves. They could just jump out, take a dump und run up and jump in again...

[JCR]

Aye, let's get back to battle-proven M113 Gavins.. Muahahaha.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_bhp6j6ScbWU/TDPbvI9_QQI/AAAAAAAAABI/Wvb0IcLlJ84/s1600/what-you-did-there-i-see-it.jpg

[Astaran]

and again why buy hundreds of units of an untested APC,

the boxer is at best a technologie study
too heavy ,to big, wheels ,almost unarmed , built for use on European roads and not in the desert type terrain of today's conflicts without propper infrastructure like bridges

In the worst case it's a great camping toilet with NBC protection
even fancy adjustable seats and a cooking plate are not so great if u got stuck in the mud ore the tire catches fire from a simple molotov cocktail ...

this beast has a ground pressure of over 4 Tonnes!! per wheel


i hope for the troops in the field i'm wrong an it proofs usefull after all

also i hope for photos .... plenty of it .. i must admit it looks cool at least

For all I know the Boxer should be a very decent APC and a worthy replacement for the aging Fuchs. If you want more armored protection, off road maneuverability (tracks) and more powerful armament you need an IFV instead of an APC and there's the Puma already in sight.

The Boxer is also produced by KMW and unlike EADS I have faith in the quality of KMW's vehicles ;)
I for one think the field tests in Mazar will be a good opportunity to fix the last little issues before it is deployed widely to hot spots like Kunduz.

Regarding the toilet:
Made my day. I wonder if some Green/Lefty women's libber demands an own toilet seat with screen from view for female soldiers p-) Of course therefor the Boxer has to be modified and will be operational as soon as 2020 in a 1 meter longer and 5 Million € more expensive Boxer F(emale) version :lol:

[Goodbert]

For all I know the Boxer should be a very decent APC and a worthy replacement for the aging Fuchs. If you want more armored protection, off road maneuverability (tracks) and more powerful armament you need an IFV instead of an APC and there's the Puma already in sight.

The Boxer is also produced by KMW and unlike EADS I have faith in the quality of KMW's vehicles ;-)
I for one think the field tests in Mazar will be a good opportunity to fix the last little issues before it is deployed widely to hot spots like Kunduz.

mmmhh dont now ... i stick to to expensiv to heavy and as long as the A400M is not delivert it cant even airlift witout the help of an Antonov ..

its a wonder full piece of german overengineering ( like the Panther ) .. engineers how have probably never driven in the finished vehicle Unlike German car builders ..

sold by wanna be Barney Stinsons to Green/Lefty women's libber .. neither of them has served ..

if the concept would be so good, the IDF had already bought 100 units ..

Do you remember this :
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-68073957.html
( article in German )


[/QUOTE]
Regarding the toilet:
Made my day. I wonder if some Green/Lefty women's libber demands an own toilet seat with screen from view for female soldiers p-) Of course therefor the Boxer has to be modified and will be operational as soon as 2020 in a 1 meter longer and 5 Million € more expensive Boxer F(emale) version :lol:[/QUOTE]

:lol: x2

[Silent Reader]

Don't forget that we will also get the Grizzly or Wiesent which should be a class below the Boxer but above the Dingo.

[Dc5-driver]

Getting out of the vehicle and moving off the side of the dirt road - in current deployment environments - to take a sh*t in the woods is likely to either: get you shot, hit a mine, become a good opportunity for some mortar fire on the vehicle or for someone to sneak up with some hand grenades.
And it's a dry chemical toilet. You don't clean it, you pull out the bag with the bound feces, throw it away and put in a new one.


Do you know how it`s done? A infantrymen shoult feel at home improvising and dealing with sertain situations, this is a small luxery isue nothing more.
Personal equipment a ride and first of all buddies are all you need often some water,food and ammo.

[Steak-Sauce]

Goodbert, what the heck are you talking about? Are you the German timetraveller? God have mercy upon us all..

[Smok]

Any combat comparison between Boxers and Rosomaks? Has any Boxer seen combat? I'm very curious if it can serve as well as our AMV Rosomak.

[Argysh]

its a wonder full piece of german overengineering ( like the Panther ) .. engineers how have probably never driven in the finished vehicle Unlike German car builders .. sold by wanna be Barney Stinsons to Green/Lefty women's libber .. neither of them has served .. my personal observation is that the percentage of ex-serviceman or at least those who have done their mandatory service is significantly higher in the defense industry.

[Astaran]

Any combat comparison between Boxers and Rosomaks? Has any Boxer seen combat? I'm very curious if it can serve as well as our AMV Rosomak.

Nope, since it is the first deployment for the Boxer, none of the vehicles has seen real combat so far.

[Goodbert]

my personal observation is that the percentage of ex-serviceman or at least those who have done their mandatory service is significantly higher in the defense industry.

yes maybe
But I doubt that two weeks of sleep in a “ dackelgarage “ during Biwak and 10 months of drinking games 10 years ago are an equivalent to a 4 day Combat Patrol ... ;)


which is not true for all Of course

[kato2k6]

sold by wanna be Barney Stinsons to Green/Lefty women's libber

the preliminary joint development treaty was signed by the right-wing Kohl government (April 1998)
the development contract with procurement option for 600 vehicles was signed by the third-way/Green Schröder government (1999) - the one that got us into our current deployments
the actual procurement contract for 272 vehicles was signed by Merkel's centrist grand coalition government (2006)

[hOMEr_jAy]

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/5767/imagepopup.jpg


The first Boxer APCs arrive in Baghlan Province. (http://www.einsatz.bundeswehr.de/portal/a/einsatzbw/%21ut/p/c4/LYxRC4JAEIT_0a0HhtFb4kv1Vg9pL7HqZkvnnpxrgvTjO8EZGJj5YOAB0YJf7lDZCzoooWr4UM-mnlt6EsuIusSKH53IuW0iXcjgq3uj8KgocF-PWjKNF9I1lUQ5ZhdQfTCDD-pWMoUQieEWqsQWuc3SZJP97S-3865M06w45VcY-v74B3zZCtg%21/)

[djiti]

ool pics !! thanks a lot

a good friend told me that the crew of Boxer wear a new crew helmet

i saw some pics of them, they look like to US CVC crew helmet without hard cover

do you know if they are worn by all other crew (i mean other vehicles ? )

[Bleifuss]

Whats with the drinkbottles taped to the mirrors?
Protection against breaking them ?

[hOMEr_jAy]

You´re right Bleifuss, I haven´t seen them at first! Maybe they´re being used as improvised clearance indicators?
Djiti, I´ve read that the Bundeswehr bought new driver helmets but I really don´t know what type of model they are. But from what I remember they offer ballistical protection but headphones can be used at the same time, too. Maybe someone else might know more.

[Greek soldier]

I think you're referring to this

Crewman Combat Helmet (http://www.recon-company.com/lightspeed.php/de_recon/catalog/product/view/id/33264/s/crewman-combat-helm-schwarz/?id=33264&s=crewman-combat-helm-schwarz&___from_store=en_recon)

[muck]

The first Boxer APCs arrive in Baghlan Province.Holy crap, that is one huge mother****er. Must scare the living daylight outta the Terries to see them plow through the countryside.

[Steak-Sauce]

Sweet pic!

Boxer and G3, nice combo! p-)

[Roland_09]

Must scare the living daylight outta the Terries to see them plow through the countryside.

Let's hope so. But more than likely, it will only encourage them to build larger IEDs like they did to kill the Marder several weeks ago.

[Schuultz]

All photos from here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/augustinfotos/
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6052/6306059356_064956b506_z.jpg

Von einem Aussichtspunkt aus beobachtet der Soldat mit einem speziellen Fernglas die Umgebung.©Bundeswehr/Schreiner.


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Einstieg zum Weiterflug. Eine Staublandung gehört in Afghanistan zur Tagesordnung und stellt die Besatzungen der CH-53 GS vor größte Herausforderungen. Hierbei gilt es im Team zusammenzuarbeiten. Verständliche Kommandos und Ansagen beim Landevorgang sind dabei die Lebensversicherung. ©Bundeswehr/PIZ EinsFüKdo.
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6221/6305528509_231fe839dd_z.jpg

Ein Soldat beobachtet die Umgebung mit einem Doppelfernglas und sichert mit seinem
Gewehr G 36.Im Hintergrund verschiedene gepanzerte Radfahrzeuge vom Typ Dingo und Fuchs.
©Bundeswehr/Schreiner.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6222/6305528479_93a6c655b4_z.jpg

Ein Vorposten den die Soldaten errichtet haben. Ein Soldat steht am Geschütz des gepanzerten Radfahrzeug Typ Dingo. ©Bundeswehr/Schreiner.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6044/6306038418_5ca48f3eb0_z.jpg

Bergung eines Transportpanzers Fuchs bei New Baghlander,der von der Strasse abgekommen ist.©Bundeswehr/Schreiner.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6235/6306038386_585af39bcf_z.jpg


Erkundung Iron Bridge und Dutch Bridge im Raum OP North bei Baghlan.©Bundeswehr/Schreiner.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6231/6306038306_4acc3157d1_z.jpg

Geländewagen Wolf SSA der Feldjägertruppe auf dem Weg zum Hubschrauberlandeplatz im Feldlager Feyzabad.Im Hintergrund eine CH-53 im Landeanflug.©Bundeswehr/Kazda.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6118/6306038322_cf958ab1b3_z.jpg

Eine Staublandung gehört in Afghanistan zur Tagesordnung und stellt die Besatzungen der CH-53 GS vor größte Herausforderungen. Hierbei gilt es im Team zusammenzuarbeiten. Verständliche Kommandos und Ansagen beim Landevorgang sind dabei die Lebensversicherung. ©Bundeswehr/PIZ EinsFüKdo.

[variable]

Great pics! Thanks for sharing! I love seeing heavy machine guns being used more and more.

[[64]Lynx]

Holy crap, that is one huge mother****er. Must scare the living daylight outta the Terries to see them plow through the countryside.
Agree... I suppose S-60 AA gun can be placed on top of it, not some .50 cal MG:)

[mhpr262]

video about the recruiting attempts and the current recruiting situation of the German Bundeswehr.

worth watching just for the insanely hot moderator <3

http://youtu.be/Oaw9d_mhrww

[tluassa]

video about the recruiting attempts and the current recruiting situation of the German Bundeswehr.

worth watching just for the insanely hot moderator <3


Kristina Sterz :) yeah nice knowing she lives around here (lokalzeit owl ^^)

[seventy6er]

pics from Op. Orpheus - Occupy Chahar Darah by photographer Timo Vogt

http://randbild.de/?ID=FTMCN6UADQ&mode=sls

http://randbild.de/?ID=AKPYKH8E45&mode=sls

[Steak-Sauce]

Incredibly good pictures, seventy6er. Thanks a lot!

[Schuultz]

Great photos. Too bad they're not available in a higher resolution.

[muck]

Sweet.

Thanks for sharing, 76er!

[variable]

Great pics 76er!

You mind if I pull the pics and rehost them? Just in case the link goes dead some day.

[seventy6er]

Great pics 76er!

You mind if I pull the pics and rehost them? Just in case the link goes dead some day.

klar, mach ma.

[variable]

Here we go:



Orpheus - Occupy Chahar Darah
In late October 2011 Kunduz based 3.Task Force started a several days operation in and around Nawabad (District Chahar Darah), west of Kunduz, northern Afghanistan.
During the Operation Orpheus about 100 german infantry troops rolled out for joint patrols with an afghan platoon through the town and surrounding areas, which were expected as a retreat zone of insurgents.
A rising presence of ISAF aims to push out remaining Taliban by occupying this former insurgent held region of Chahar Darah. Soldiers talk to locals, recruit informers, do car checks and try to figure out essential needs of Nawabads local population.



http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4792/43055039.jpg
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/4725/20315961.jpg
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"Freedom of Movement"-Patrol


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Consequences would have been fatal for the crew. After an armored Dingo accidentally lost it´s right way through a ford, it was pretty close to roll aside into deep water. Comrades of the related ECHO platoon rescue passengers and vehicle.



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An unfortunate day for ECHO. Just minutes after the ford accident, a new built bridge is blocked and two Dingo vehicles stuck in a muddy field. A sandstorm blows strongly and whirls clay dust into every chink. While a wheeled tank get the Dingos out of mess, remain soldiers have to cover the area around with 15 meters in sight.

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/824/l10q.jpg

The day begins by dedicating a 40mm-grenade to a fallen comrade.


The rest of the slide are pictures from a foot patrol in Nawabad. The captions suck and the photographer isn't really an ace in English so I left them out...

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[Schuultz]

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9809/l34e.jpg

Nice attempt at translating "F*** with the Best, Die like the Rest". But did he spell "wie" with a "v"?

[JCR]

Nice attempt at translating "F*** with the Best, Die like the Rest". But did he spell "wie" with a "v"?

This is a quote from a Bushido song :D
So it s a translation of "f... with the best", but by Bushido

[Mackie]

This is a quote from a Bushido song


That would explain the "vie". :-)

[variable]

People at augengeradeaus try to figure out the make of the weapon atop that Fuchs APC:

http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/231/l38.jpg

Anybody?

[MeiJoa]

Maybe Rheinmetall RMG .50 already? Or none issued so far?

http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/index.php?fid=1107&lang=3 (http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/index.php?fid=1107&lang=3)

164344

Perhaps for testing?

Just speculation, it doesnt look like it 100 %.

[Mackie]

Normal FLW200
https://www.blauer-bund.de/fileadmin/Images/Berichte/2011/TAZ/Bild_28.jpg

With some rubber on the gun against dust?

[horrido]

Here we go:

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/824/l10q.jpg



Thank you so much for these pictures. The one I picked out is especially interesting and moving.

Too bad the Bundeswehr doesn't offer more up to date high-resolution pictures like many other militaries do. At least there're some photojournalists and provide "us" material, though only in small size.



---



Regarding the "w" issue, I make out a tiny little bow in the center of the alleged "v" which would make it alright ;)

[variable]

Normal FLW200
https://www.blauer-bund.de/fileadmin/Images/Berichte/2011/TAZ/Bild_28.jpg

With some rubber on the gun against dust?

Rubber makes sense, the thick end of the barrel made me rule out an M2. But I can't place those 3 squares at the base of the weapon station. Doesn't look like a FLW200.

[HowieMunson]

Hi,

looks like this one, and i like it. It's a massive Upgrade for the Fuchs!

164369

[Breakfast in Vegas]

Nice attempt at translating "F*** with the Best, Die like the Rest". But did he spell "wie" with a "v"?looks a bit like a cursive "w"... but 11Bs were never the best spellers. )

[muck]

Hi,

looks like this one, and i like it. It's a massive Upgrade for the Fuchs!

164369That'd be the Fuchs 1A8A1 then. Nice shot.

[HowieMunson]

@muck_to_be_replaced:



Nice shot.

But not from me ;) More Pictures can be found here: http://www.tank-masters.de/photo-series/bw/tpz-1a8a3/index.html

[hOMEr_jAy]

Some new photos, from a Y-Punkt article (http://www.y-punkt.de/portal/a/ypunkt/%21ut/p/c4/LYvBCsIwEAX_aLehoOLNUg8iePBi24ukzVJC0yQsmxbBjzcB38BchocDZrze7KzFBq8ddthP9jzuMO6G3p-Y_CKgF0nkHAinGAlf5WUIpuBJioW82OyZtQSGGFhcKYk5F7AG-0q1japV9Z_6nh7X-1Af1LG9NU-M63r5AUN3VtA%21/) on Bundeswehr.de.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5517/imagepopup2.jpg

The fields of Qara Yatim.

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It´s 6 in the morning and the soldiers are already on patrol for quite some time.

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Moving along a drainage ditch.

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Briefing.

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The soldiers move through a rice paddy, near Arab-Sher-Ali.

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Using radios, information are being sent to supperiors.

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Unknown threat: An IED lies burried next to the standing soldier! 3 Afghan soldiers were being injured after the IED exploded later.


Who else spotted the shotgun?

[b0sco]

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6216/imagepopup1r.jpg

Guy on the left and the one behind him look like ANA or something.

[hOMEr_jAy]

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6216/imagepopup1r.jpg

Guy on the left and the one behind him look like ANA or something.
The guy in "the middle" is an interpreter. They are also being issued Flecktarn clothing and often wear older ballistic vests, such as the Mehler ST. The guy on the left looks a bit odd, too, mainly because he carries a G36A1 and wears an old Mehler ST vest. But I simply can´t imagine why they´d outfit ANAs like that. o0

[Jarhead]

Who else spotted the shotgun?

I did.
Great photos. Thanks for posting mate.

[HowieMunson]

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/482/imagepopup6.jpg

Dingo with cal .50er ?

Thx for the pics.

[Bleifuss]

A fil from last year about the Panzergrennies :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=uNK4WyEkt_c

[hOMEr_jAy]

I did.
Great photos. Thanks for posting mate.
Thanks buddy.
It´s actually the first time I see a shotgun in the hands of "standard grunts". They were always pretty much a SF tool and I´m actually quite happy to see them in infantry hands. I just wonder what type of shotgun this is. Can someone provide some info about it?


Dingo with cal .50er ?

Thx for the pics.
Seems like they finally installed some FLW200 remote controlled weapon stations that can take .50cal MGs or 40mm GMGs on the Dingos. Good to see some extra firepower!

[Aljoscha]

[QUOTE=hOMEr_jAy;5865578]Thanks buddy.
It´s actually the first time I see a shotgun in the hands of "standard grunts". They were always pretty much a SF tool and I´m actually quite happy to see them in infantry hands. I just wonder what type of shotgun this is. Can someone provide some info about it?


Benelli M1 Super 90 Maybe?

http://operatorchan.org/k/arch/src/k22692_benelli-super-90.jpg

[whiskey]

[QUOTE=hOMEr_jAy;5865578]Thanks buddy.
It´s actually the first time I see a shotgun in the hands of "standard grunts". They were always pretty much a SF tool and I´m actually quite happy to see them in infantry hands. I just wonder what type of shotgun this is. Can someone provide some info about it?


Benelli M1 Super 90 Maybe?

http://operatorchan.org/k/arch/src/k22692_benelli-super-90.jpg

jugding from the frontsight, i would say yes... but the magazine-tube, looks quite a bit different

@homer jay
exactly my thougts,

[HowieMunson]

BOXER in Afghanistan:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V86B0BfW_OE&amp;feature=player_embedded

[flanker7]

Couple of questions.

Is the Boxer's RWS turret elevated(can you change it's height over the vehicle)?
And, the ammo box on the MG4 is not on it's "usual" canted postion but directly below the weapon, like the Minimi

[Mackie]

Thanks for the vid.

1:17 Typical Swabian. Everything with wheels is a car. p-)
We could save 50% of our vocabulary switching to Swabian.


Couple of questions.
Is the Boxer's RWS turret elevated(can you change it's height over the vehicle)?

To fight targets closer to the vehicle.

[hOMEr_jAy]

Thanks for the video, I really like the Boxer!

Anyway, video I found on augengeradeaus.net:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oes1YUkEDYg&amp;feature=player_embedded

During training a 125mm smoke round lands really close to friendly troops. They´re lucky these weren´t HE round. o0

[Schuultz]

That's within 25m. Isn't that considered a direct hit by artillery standards?

[HowieMunson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS3K-R-8Afc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX2X6m7mRxM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tsAPvlpSj0

[Silent Reader]

Interview with German defense minister with English dubbing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhKJYyt-41c&feature=channel_video_title

[Roland_09]

Is the Boxer's RWS turret elevated(can you change it's height over the vehicle)?


The RWS was raised by 30cm before the Boxers were sent to Afghanistan. AFAIK the RWS mounting's height is not manually adjustable.

[flanker7]

Thank you! Funny thing, I just read that an hour ago in the DTI magazine :-)

[variable]

Has someone already checked out this 150 pages picture band?

http://www.amazon.de/Deutsche-Soldaten-Krieg-Afghanistan-Bilddokumentation/dp/3771644593/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

[Aljoscha]

BOXER in Afghanistan:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V86B0BfW_OE&amp;feature=player_embedded


at around 2:11, is that an ACOG on the MG4?

[Indiana Jones]

Ja. 10 amusing characters.

[Muc91]

http://i39.tinypic.com/iqfqdi.jpg

A German soldier with the NATO- led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) stands guard at the scene where a German military armored vehicle was hit by road side bomb in Baghlan north of Kabul, Nov. 29, 2011. Two German soldiers were wounded after their vehicle was hit. (Javid Basharat/Associated Press)

http://i44.tinypic.com/10z4r4w.jpg

Soldiers of the German ISAF force guard the entrance of the combat outpost, Unicorn, near the city of Baglan, Dec. 4, 2011. (Thomas Peter/*******)

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A Dingo armoured vehicle of the German ISAF force approaches a signpost at the entrance of combat outpost Unicorn near the city of Baglan, Dec. 4, 2011. (Thomas Peter/*******)

Right click>View image to get a bigger pic.

[HadesssLoakoon]

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/2502/92987412.jpg


German soldiers of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) conduct a patrol outside the settlement of Nawabad in the Chahar Dara district December 14, 2011

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German soldiers of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) survey the surroundings during a patrol outside the settlement of Nawabad in the Chahar Dara district December 14, 2011

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/3063/78861093.jpg


German soldiers of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) play the game "Shepard and his Sheep" during downtime in a military outside the settlement of Nawabad in the Chahar Dara district December 14, 2011

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5116/73259614.jpg


An Afghan man rides a donkey near German soldiers of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) as they conduct a patrol outside the settlement of Nawabad in the Chahar Dara district December 14, 2011

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/7310/27215511.jpg


German soldiers of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) survey the surroundings during a patrol outside the settlement of Nawabad in the Chahar Dara district December 14, 2011

[cbreedon]

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/3063/78861093.jpg





German soldiers of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) play the game "Shepard and his Sheep" during downtime in a military outside the settlement of Nawabad in the Chahar Dara district December 14, 2011


Tell us more about this game.... it sounds kinky :-0

[Zeckenteppich]

Tell us more about this game
i know it is off topic but i also like about that game. i never heard of it.

[Roland_09]

Me too. I remember "Schweine im Weltall", though.

[HadesssLoakoon]

ask AP photographers ;)

[Stormz_STA]

Tell us more about this game.... it sounds kinky :-0


"Shepard and his Sheep"

I think the name of this game is self-explanatory ;)

[keparti]

What's that APC? Looks almost just like the AMV.

[Steak-Sauce]

It's the Boxer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_%28armoured_fighting_vehicle%29).

[picanha the second]

Hopefully the removed the peeping sound when the ramp lowers :roll:, or was it the Puma? Not really sure read about it in Loyal.

[horrido]

Has someone already checked out this 150 pages picture band?

http://www.amazon.de/Deutsche-Soldaten-Krieg-Afghanistan-Bilddokumentation/dp/3771644593/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

Yes, I have. To be honest, it's disappointing. Many pictures are known already. Also, the printing is not satisfying. Okay, it's only 10€, but still I had expected more.

In conclusion it's something you thumb through once. After that you'll put in the book shelf and let it dust.

Cheers

[variable]

@horrido, thanks for your opinion. I won't buy it then.

Pics of recent dates:

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/7687/1000xr.jpg

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1808/1000xm.jpg

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2702/1000xcu.jpg
(Note antennae tree on the front Dingo. Looks like mics for sniper detection? Info on that?)

http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/7647/x1000.jpg

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/9167/1000xu.jpg

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/6139/1000xv.jpg

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3051/1000xdf.jpg

[Frank the soldier]

In these Pictures, we can see first of all........the new Dingi 2 GSI ( Gefechtsschaden-Instandsetzung) , a specially Recovery Version by the German Armed Forces.
They had a new Weapon station and chains on the wheels.

Too the Sniper detection System : I had never see before these System . Thats new.

[innsbronx]

What's with the XXL coats some guys are wearing? They go down almost to their knees? And why are German's always carrying so much gear and stuff around?

[HaKa]

The long coats are mostly smocks and their lenght is intended for better usage with a rucksack. So in case you have stuff in your back pocket(s) (and side pockets) you are still able to wear your ruck conviently and close the hip belt. Furthermore it makes a quite convinient seat if you carry your rain poncho in your back pocket :D

[Metal4Life]

What's with the XXL coats some guys are wearing? They go down almost to their knees? And why are German's always carrying so much gear and stuff around?

Also the the smock is that long because if you`ve got your rig on you should be able to use the lower pockets of the smock...and in german army we always say: "Haben ist besser als Brauchen" what means to have something with you is better than needing something you haven't got with you.

[muck]

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/9870/isaf72.jpg
Baghlan Province, Afghanistan. (Aug. 13, 2011) Incoming Observation Post North Commander Lt. Col. Peter Mirow poses with International Security Assistance Force Regional Command North Commander Maj. Gen. Markus Kneip and the outpost’s outgoing commander Lt. Col. Heico Hübner at the post’s change of command ceremony on Aug. 13. (RC North Mazar-e Sharif Public Affairs photo by Staff Sgt. Florian Krumbach/Released)Note the bandages Gen. Kneip is still wearing on this photo, a couple of weeks after having been wounded in action.

[Zeckenteppich]

note the g3 on the incoming commander an the left side. he looks clean and well shaved so i think he is the incoming commander.

[Steak-Sauce]

note the g3 on the incoming commander an the left side. he looks clean and well shaved so i think he is the incoming commander.

The picture description says so:


Baghlan Province, Afghanistan. (Aug. 13, 2011) Incoming Observation Post North Commander Lt. Col. Peter Mirow poses with [...]

[Zeckenteppich]

The picture description says so:
yeah, but the description does not say wich lt col is the incoming and wich is the outgoing one. cheers

[seventy6er]

And why are German's always carrying so much gear and stuff around?

Because we can. :-|

[HowieMunson]

Peter Mirow ist the Guy on the left (incomming), Heiko Hübner on the right (outgoing) side of the Picture.

169254
Oberstleutnant Peter Mirow (Quelle: Heer/PIZ)

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Oberstleutnant Heico Hübner; (Quelle: Heer/PIZ)

[HowieMunson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WuNzJc-fOo&amp;feature=youtu.be

Q:YT | 09.12.2011

[Herman the II]

I really dislike that metal/rock music. Nice footage though, really far away from home.

[seventy6er]

an older vid. might have been posted before.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyO-SCiqfx0&feature=related

[tluassa]

I really dislike that metal/rock music. Nice footage though, really far away from home.

The GEMA dislikes the music too and has banned the video. Thank you, Germany, for the music-industry funded censorship industry watching over me ...

[seventy6er]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=114dA1z0yBw

[muck]

Just out of curiosity, why was the GTK BOXER not named for an animal like all other wheeled or tracked vehicles of our forces?

[seventy6er]

Just out of curiosity, why was the GTK BOXER not named for an animal like all other wheeled or tracked vehicles of our forces?

http://dogbreedinformations.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Boxer-8.jpg

[JCR]

Just out of curiosity, why was the GTK BOXER not named for an animal like all other wheeled or tracked vehicles of our forces?

I think the name is a leftover from its multinational origin as a joint German/Dutch/UK project.
Might be an acronym of some kind.

[variable]

OK, I stopped the vid when the prick said the Boxer was armed with a "calibre .20 cannon"....

It's a Bundeswehr vid! Why oh why can't they get their facts straight? We rant about news reporters that can't tell an assault rifle from a machine gun but it shows we can't actually blame them if the get their stuff out of official vids.

[hOMEr_jAy]

Short video about life on Height 432 (http://www.deutschesheer.de/portal/a/heer/%21ut/p/c4/NYzBCsIwEET_aDcpCMVbSxU8eNCL1tuahiaaJmXZ6MWPNxGcgeHBDIM3LI708jOJT5ECXnE0fnt_g7OWgZ6SbQgQyTj2xomN8CDHjdJNgZjph3ipP5MFk6KVmmUovuTMJIlhTSyhNpm5NOAnHJUeerVRf-lPezruu53W7XDoz7guS_cFb2GS4A%21%21/). Rather short and a bit superficial, but still interesting to see the Spartan conditions of that combat outpost. Must be pretty uncomfortable, especially in winter...


Btw, is it just me or is there no red-dot sight mounted on this soldiers rifle?
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/2113/1000xro.jpg

[Steak-Sauce]

OK, I stopped the vid when the prick said the Boxer was armed with a "calibre .20 cannon"....

It's a Bundeswehr vid! Why oh why can't they get their facts straight? We rant about news reporters that can't tell an assault rifle from a machine gun but it shows we can't actually blame them if the get their stuff out of official vids.

Agreed. Nice G3ZF though.

[ls23]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b-tnF305F4&amp;feature=g-u-u&amp;context=G22df7fbFUAAAAAAABAA

[hOMEr_jAy]

One Dingo, two Fenneks and a few soldiers, observing OMF movement in "Indianerland":
Bundeswehr.de released two videos (http://www.bundeswehr.de/portal/a/bwde/!ut/p/c4/NYyxDoJAEET_aJfTGI0dhMbGgkaxMQu3wU24O7IukBg_3qNwJnnNyww-MDfSIgOZpEgj3rHt5dyt0K2eIcyjSWAvBIt4TqT9SxZgiW9i-zB0LKbEAz93hdvhbfvLuz5Fto3G0SRzULKkMCW1cTOzajYgHtvC1ZU7Fv-476kp62vl9of6UjU4hVD-AFAK82E!/#par5) that show the daily life in a temporary reconnaissance outpost. The videos show the use of Fennek scout vehicles and Aladin light-weight recon drone. Quite interesting!

[hOMEr_jAy]

Some scenes from Afghanistan and an interesting article (http://www.bundeswehr.de/portal/a/bwde/!ut/p/c4/NUzLCsIwEPyWfoDZFgsWb9Ye9FoErbdtutaF5kGyWhA_3uTgDMxhXnCHRItvnlHYWVzgBoPm_biqcZ1IEduIJB9ShmNMDbKKIz7gmoepoJMlWYWscNI5oLigvAuy5OQVQkoUTzCUVddWu_KP6tv0p2N92dZld277fOgDzgZhsG6jUT8JvDHNeiiKH7Q20wM!) about German Army "Panzergrenadiers" serving in Northern Afganistan.

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/5767/imagepopup.jpg

On patrol with Marder IFV and Fuchs APC.


http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/7044/imagepopup1.jpg
(http://www.bundeswehr.de/portal/a/bwde/!ut/p/c4/NUzLCsIwEPyWfoDZFgsWb9Ye9FoErbdtutaF5kGyWhA_3uTgDMxhXnCHRItvnlHYWVzgBoPm_biqcZ1IEduIJB9ShmNMDbKKIz7gmoepoJMlWYWscNI5oLigvAuy5OQVQkoUTzCUVddWu_KP6tv0p2N92dZld277fOgDzgZhsG6jUT8JvDHNeiiKH7Q20wM!/)
(http://www.bundeswehr.de/portal/a/bwde/!ut/p/c4/NUzLCsIwEPyWfoDZFgsWb9Ye9FoErbdtutaF5kGyWhA_3uTgDMxhXnCHRItvnlHYWVzgBoPm_biqcZ1IEduIJB9ShmNMDbKKIz7gmoepoJMlWYWscNI5oLigvAuy5OQVQkoUTzCUVddWu_KP6tv0p2N92dZld277fOgDzgZhsG6jUT8JvDHNeiiKH7Q20wM!/)
MSgt. Stephan, the IFVs commander scans the surroundings, while the patrol moves through Kunduz-City.
(http://www.bundeswehr.de/portal/a/bwde/!ut/p/c4/NUzLCsIwEPyWfoDZFgsWb9Ye9FoErbdtutaF5kGyWhA_3uTgDMxhXnCHRItvnlHYWVzgBoPm_biqcZ1IEduIJB9ShmNMDbKKIz7gmoepoJMlWYWscNI5oLigvAuy5OQVQkoUTzCUVddWu_KP6tv0p2N92dZld277fOgDzgZhsG6jUT8JvDHNeiiKH7Q20wM!/)
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5517/imagepopup2.jpg

An Afghan Security Forces checkpoint in the outskirts of Kunduz-City.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7505/imagepopup3.jpg

The patrol moves slowly through the town, always surrounded by locals.
(http://www.bundeswehr.de/portal/a/bwde/!ut/p/c4/NUzLCsIwEPyWfoDZFgsWb9Ye9FoErbdtutaF5kGyWhA_3uTgDMxhXnCHRItvnlHYWVzgBoPm_biqcZ1IEduIJB9ShmNMDbKKIz7gmoepoJMlWYWscNI5oLigvAuy5OQVQkoUTzCUVddWu_KP6tv0p2N92dZld277fOgDzgZhsG6jUT8JvDHNeiiKH7Q20wM!/)
(http://www.bundeswehr.de/portal/a/bwde/!ut/p/c4/NUzLCsIwEPyWfoDZFgsWb9Ye9FoErbdtutaF5kGyWhA_3uTgDMxhXnCHRItvnlHYWVzgBoPm_biqcZ1IEduIJB9ShmNMDbKKIz7gmoepoJMlWYWscNI5oLigvAuy5OQVQkoUTzCUVddWu_KP6tv0p2N92dZld277fOgDzgZhsG6jUT8JvDHNeiiKH7Q20wM!/)

For our geardos: Note the FLW200 with .50cal sMG, the commanders helmet, the Marders Barracuda camouflage and the EOTech sight on his rifle.
The article has some flaws and wrong captions, but otherwise is quite interesting to read and gives a good insight into the daily life of our soldiers, without exaggerating things.

[Frank the soldier]

At the first Pictures of the " Panzergrenadiere" and their Vehicle . Why had they not the new Air-Conditional-Pack lost at the left side of the rear ???
The AC-Pack was configurated for the ISAF and now ....... i see a empty configuration element .

[QuiGon]

Maybe because it's winter?

[seventy6er]

Maybe because it's winter?

SOunds legit. Nice 1st post.

[Reader I am]

Well,he might be right. Northern Afghanistan is in some places a very very cold place.

[muck]

MQ shots of German troops during clashes with Taliban in the notorious southwestern region of Kunduz Province. Note the damaged Fennek.

http://submiturpics.com/images/rl21pcead3oraeuhxp6o.png (http://submiturpics.com/)

http://submiturpics.com/images/aiau7xfvjmhbsurvew80.png (http://submiturpics.com/)

http://submiturpics.com/images/7sihd2lea95494ire9pq.png (http://submiturpics.com/)

http://submiturpics.com/images/fc3egj5ro9d2yykgo8d1.png (http://submiturpics.com/)

http://submiturpics.com/images/sp1mbcoqwpcx5r6iw99.png (http://submiturpics.com/)

http://submiturpics.com/images/qkxywhhd8ys4d9bpogb0.png (http://submiturpics.com/)

http://submiturpics.com/images/v60mbffapn18khqmunho.png (http://submiturpics.com/)

http://submiturpics.com/images/b4cytl0va48znsx4th40.png (http://submiturpics.com/)

[Steak-Sauce]

Excellent pictures, muck, thanks for posting.

Looks like there have been casualties? Speedy recovery.
I think this could have been a multi-national convoy. I can spot a Humvee with a gun turret. And I'm actually surprised to see a Wolf - I thought there weren't used outside the camps because of lacking survivability?

[hOMEr_jAy]

Agreed, great pictures.
Steak-Sauce, our Military Police for example are still using "Wolf SSA" models. I´m not sure about other branches, though, but I remember talking to an EOD StUffz who told me that they´re using them in Afghanistan, too. AFAIK they´re going to be replaced by Enoks.

[Steak-Sauce]

Agreed, great pictures.
Steak-Sauce, our Military Police for example are still using "Wolf SSA" models. I´m not sure about other branches, though, but I remember talking to an EOD StUffz who told me that they´re using them in Afghanistan, too. AFAIK they´re going to be replaced by Enoks.

Aye, I forget about them. Thanks.

[Grapi]

When will the ENOK be in use in AFG? Any information what his function is going to be(replacing the EAGLE?)?

[Herman the II]

Great Marksmanship German Soldier G36 700m (765yards) from the hip at night in Afghanistan

http://youtu.be/5bn3GvvkA6U

[thinger]

When will the ENOK be in use in AFG? Any information what his function is going to be(replacing the EAGLE?)?

The ENOK already is in AFG - last September, one of them was disabled by IED while on patrol in the Kunduz area.

The ENOK is a part of the GFF1 program and meant to replace the various uparmored G-Wagons for use outside the wire, they won't replace the EAGLE IV which is part of the GFF2 program.

[muck]

For the sake of completeness...

http://submiturpics.com/images/jd6hmo2spw16ntbx0sl3.jpg

http://submiturpics.com/images/w4ac4tzdspao3vldko1.jpg

http://submiturpics.com/images/mldxinfk37j1pxgybz08.jpg

http://submiturpics.com/images/j6m98kwsmu1rqgy340u.jpg

http://submiturpics.com/images/dl7s7o4jy6pekelpwufh.jpg

http://submiturpics.com/images/13n1te62k2ifkxyepeq.jpg

http://submiturpics.com/images/792dc8eporvbayosx75l.jpg

http://submiturpics.com/images/avl63rqu7fbhl3qzmgg.jpg

[Leitwolf]

Nice impressions. Where can I find similar raw photos of Operation Enduring Freedom in a bigger resolution? I browsed dozens of sites here, but every photo seems to be kind of small.

[variable]

Great stuff, muck. Thanks bunches.

I love the G3 pics. But that also tells me there still aren't any of the new G28s in theatre.

[horrido]

Nice impressions. Where can I find similar raw photos of Operation Enduring Freedom in a bigger resolution? I browsed dozens of sites here, but every photo seems to be kind of small.

Other than the few high-res pictures on the Bundeswehr's Flickr page, I'm not aware of any official "bigger" pictures of German troops in Afghanistan. It's a pity.

[b0sco]

I always liked this one.

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/5603/54355853832e84c1ce75o.jpg

[tluassa]

From the Bundeswehr flickr page ...

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7198/6779334784_8f29caf3a6_b.jpg

Thomas, I'am your father :)

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5324/mazere.jpg

[Kombattant]

Nice pictures everybody.


Godspeed to all deployed German troops.

[muck]

Great stuff, muck. Thanks bunches.
I love the G3 pics. But that also tells me there still aren't any of the new G28s in theatre.You're welcome. Oh well, we should be happy that the new rifle enters service before our withdrawal from Afghanistan. ;)
From the Bundeswehr flickr page ...
Thomas, I'am your father :-) Same haircut, same type of glasses... that's actually kind of scary.

[Kombattant]

The G28 is very expensive. Also, I think that the G3 is not only used in the DMR role (G28 is a DMR) rifle.

And long live the G3, it looks amazing.

[ElDuderino]

The G28 is very expensive. Also, I think that the G3 is not only used in the DMR role (G28 is a DMR) rifle.

And long live the G3, it looks amazing.



Yeah, its really kind of smart to introduce a rifle that is much too expensive for everyday use....... pure german brain-power @ its best :roll:

[muck]

What's that supposed to mean? The G28 is indeed an expensive piece of equipment but how does that render it unusable for everyday service?

[b0sco]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2rMIJNwfhU

[JCR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2rMIJNwfhU


Lol, "Deckname Ü" and you clearly see the "Uenal" name tag on his back on the shooting range.
Lena (the nice Redhead laywer responsible for just this stuff at Pro7) definitely dropped the ball on this one :)
Normally she orders to pixel everything in sight.

[b0sco]

They also forgot to cut out that part where someone calls him by his first name.

And the swastika on the makeshift table right at the start. p-)

[philM.]

Well, it's the highly informational "Galileo", but the "Strategie & Technik" - magazine referred to this unit as the ASSIK - Arbeitsstab Schutz in Krisengebieten when they introduced it about a year ago with a big article.

Has it been renamed or is it just a matter of bad background information at the TV-Show.

[muck]

http://i39.tinypic.com/250va75.jpg


A German soldier is greeted by local children while on patrol in the Nahr-e-Sufi area of Kunduz Province, Afghanistan, April 18 2012.

[tluassa]

Lol, "Deckname Ü" and you clearly see the "Uenal" name tag on his back on the shooting range.
Lena (the nice Redhead laywer responsible for just this stuff at Pro7) definitely dropped the ball on this one :)
Normally she orders to pixel everything in sight.

That German Police special forces "are not allowed" to use the G-36 inside Germany seems like another bull**** story ... may not be available to "normal Police", but that is a completely differend story. I hate such inaccuracies ...

[muck]

My local police departement even has a couple of G8s in their weaponry.

[whiskey]

My local police departement even has a couple of G8s in their weaponry.

hk 121 ? machine guns? ;)
left over from BGS times i guess