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Kingpin
10-21-2003, 04:48 AM
Hit by looters not by bombs

http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/files/Bob/MiG-29.00.jpg

http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/files/Bob/MiG-29.01.jpg


Looted Iraqi Air Force jet fighters lie in the desert outside the July Air Force Base near Falluja, northwest of Baghdad Saturday Oct. 18, 2003. The planes were moved by the airforce before the war, but are now being stripped by looters who sell the aircrafts' aluminium for 500 dinars (US 25 cents) per kilogram. The aircraft are a Russian made Mig-29, right, Mig-23, left, and a Mig-21 at rear. (AP Photo/Greg Baker)
Argyll
10-21-2003, 05:23 AM
I think that A/c in the background is a Sukhoi 15/17/22 Fitter,and not a Mig 21.
The mig 21 series don't have tapered noses,if I remeber correctly?
Kingpin
10-21-2003, 05:26 AM
Not sure.

Don't forget - it was looted
martinexsquaddie
10-21-2003, 05:42 AM
I know some Brits are trying to get to iraq as there are apprantly some
rumours of very old rare planes . sitting on scrap heaps out there
Argyll
10-21-2003, 06:01 AM
Looted or not KP that a/c has a distinct taper to the nose of the A/c,I'll lokk into this,my feelings are that it's an Su.


I stand corrected,looking closer at other pics of Mig 21's this looks like a later version.
The demarcation lines for the cammo,gives it a much severe taper than the other pics I have!!! ;)
Kingpin
10-21-2003, 07:15 AM
I don't discuss this man. Actually i can't because i don't have pictures of both to compare. So let me agree with you just because for me Mig-29 is more interesting - it is only really modern aircraft on this picture.
Argyll
10-21-2003, 07:50 AM
What is interesting is that during GW 1 ,the Iraqi AF,reportedly flew all their remaining Mig29's to Iran for protection!
So I wonder if this was one that suffered damage previously.
Also the fact that these a/c are out in the open,and not hidden away,AFAIK there were NO flights whatsoever made by the IAF during the last war...which is amazing to say the least!!
Seoulstriker
10-21-2003, 09:30 AM
What is interesting is that during GW 1 ,the Iraqi AF,reportedly flew all their remaining Mig29's to Iran for protection!
So I wonder if this was one that suffered damage previously.
Also the fact that these a/c are out in the open,and not hidden away,AFAIK there were NO flights whatsoever made by the IAF during the last war...which is amazing to say the least!!

i think these were buried in the ground as you can see the piles of dirt around the aircraft.
Saranof
10-21-2003, 11:54 AM
What do you get moneywise by looting planes?
Seoulstriker
10-21-2003, 12:07 PM
What do you get moneywise by looting planes?

the frame isn't worth much but all the avionics are worth lots of money.
Argyll
10-21-2003, 12:20 PM
Never thought of that Seoul,thats a good point!
Seoulstriker
10-21-2003, 12:25 PM
Never thought of that Seoul,thats a good point!

do i detect sarcasm? :fork:
Argyll
10-21-2003, 12:57 PM
No its a honest statement,I never considered they were buried!! :lol:

Like I said,i was under the impression that all the Mig29's that remained flew to Iran.

Even if they were buried,I don't think thay would have been for 12 years!!
budanski
10-21-2003, 01:25 PM
I recalled Iran kept the Mig-29s and never returned them.The jets they found buried were Mig-25. (not sure if other types were found)
Seoulstriker
10-21-2003, 01:26 PM
No its a honest statement,I never considered they were buried!! :lol:

Like I said,i was under the impression that all the Mig29's that remained flew to Iran.

Even if they were buried,I don't think thay would have been for 12 years!!

you didn't hear the recent news about the buried aircraft? they were in the middle of the desert. the only reason why people knew they were there was because they saw the horizontal stabilizers were sticking out of the sand. it's really significant because it is an explanation of why we are not finding WMDs but only the programs to produce.
Argyll
10-21-2003, 02:48 PM
No I heard about them,but like I said,I was under the impression that they flew ALL their airworthy Mig 29's to Iran,so that doesn't explain this one!
Seoulstriker
10-21-2003, 03:25 PM
No I heard about them,but like I said,I was under the impression that they flew ALL their airworthy Mig 29's to Iran,so that doesn't explain this one!


oh, oh, i see. :) :hug:
JunglistSoldier
10-21-2003, 05:58 PM
"Hey kids, lets go steal wing or two!"