What makes a terrorist?

[Lt_Crooks]

Can someone tell me why Bin Laden is a labeled a " terrorist" ?

[SEALInTheMaking]

Because his idea of an enemy combatant is a 3 year old American child.

[callous]

Annan said on September 11 that there was no doubt that the attacks in the U.S. that day were “deliberate acts of terrorism, carefully planned and coordinated,” and he condemned them “utterly.” The next day both the Security Council and the General Assembly condemned the terrorist acts, and the Assembly expressed its “condolences and solidarity with the people and government…

I'd say the UN i.e. the world decided he was a terrorist.

[SeanAshi]

bin Laden's fatwa declaration on the United States.

[Lt_Crooks]

bin Laden's fatwa declaration on the United States.

what is fatwa?

[American Patriot]

Some f*cktard Islamists who want to blow us up by exploiting our free societies. Oh and a fatwa is a decree issued by an Islamic cleric.

[SeanAshi]

bin Laden's fatwa declaration on the United States.

what is fatwa?


Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans

Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998

Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh

Praise be to God, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said "I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but God is worshipped, God who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders." The Arabian Peninsula has never--since God made it flat, created its desert, and encircled it with seas--been stormed by any forces like the crusader armies now spreading in it like locusts, consuming its riches and destroying its plantations. All this is happening at a time when nations are attacking Muslims like people fighting over a plate of food. In the light of the grave situation and the lack of support, we and you are obliged to discuss current events, and we should all agree on how to settle the matter.

No one argues today about three facts that are known to everyone; we will list them, in order to remind everyone:

First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.

If some people have formerly debated the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it.

The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, still they are helpless. Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, in excess of 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation.

So now they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors.

Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there.

The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula.

All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life."

On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God."

This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'"

We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.

Almighty God said "O ye who believe, give your response to God and His Apostle, when He calleth you to that which will give you life. And know that God cometh between a man and his heart, and that it is He to whom ye shall all be gathered."

Almighty God also says "O ye who believe, what is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of God, ye cling so heavily to the earth! Do ye prefer the life of this world to the hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For God hath power over all things."

Almighty God also says "So lose no heart, nor fall into despair. For ye must gain mastery if ye are true in faith."

[Gyles84]

Can someone tell me why Bin Laden is a labeled a " terrorist" ?

:cantbeli: :cantbeli: :cantbeli:

[walford]

Interesting fellow...

Can someone tell me why Bin Laden is a labeled a " terrorist" ?
what is fatwa?Yet he has no trouble offering rather strong opinions...

...george bush is moden day hitler
....you think bush gives a hoot about you jews? Just b/c he lit your little torah?
large pic of panther copulating with a woman, complete with a quite visible red ***** sinking into her from behindPWNED!!!!!
good night everyonei got to do my homework. Nothing is more important than education... so i dot have to go and die For this ****hole you guys call a country.
God has come back to take all you righteous rebublicans to back up to heaven to live eternally with him

I'd keep it. 40k buys a lot of ****.more like "make" ****, women love money not men
yeah they are loosers because they disagree with you? The majority of america are wankers
http://img57.exs.cx/img57/6384/t3xcondiwhitey.jpg

[Jack Mehoff]

Hey Lt_Crooks, if you hate this country so much. MOVE

Oh wait, you can't just leave your 30K car and your luxury life in the country you hate so much. p-)

[Ichhabe]

Hey Lt_Crooks, if you hate this country so much. MOVE

Oh wait, you can't just leave your 30K car and your luxury life in the country you hate so much. p-)

Where should he go?
Back to Africa? He wouldnt survive the first week.

[Raistlin]

Why the hell does he have a russian avatar?

[baker]

Hey Lt_Crooks, if you hate this country so much. MOVE



Don't get that point... why does he hate your country? just because he's asking this question? I think it's very important because after 911 2/3 of the world was named terrorist by China, Russia, Israel etc. Nower days it seems that it is enough to say he's a terrorist to kill him or to invade a country. Excuse me, but this question is legitimate...

[walford]

Don't get that point... why does he hate your country? just because he's asking this question?Scroll up. Tell you what, I'll help you out: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=684733#684733

[baker]

Don't get that point... why does he hate your country? just because he's asking this question?Scroll up. Tell you what, I'll help you out: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=684733#684733


I don't talk about this person. talk about the topic and not only about bin laden, but the whole terrorist- definition.

[walford]

Don't get that point... why does he hate your country? just because he's asking this question?Scroll up. Tell you what, I'll help you out: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=684733#684733I don't talk about this person. talk about the topic and not only about bin laden, but the whole terrorist- definition.1. Don't ask the question if you don't want an answer.
2. Given the original poster's history [as noted above], it was not meant to be a serious question.

What we are expected to do is go through all of this trouble to patiently explain bin Laden's history, actions, rhetoric, affiliations, etc. etc. That being done, the response will be: "You're full of ****. Bush is the real terrorist, America is mostly wankers, etc. etc."

No thanks. This thread belongs in the off-topic section. Given the gratuitous name-calling, hatred, poor grammar and misspellings, I offer that what we have here is the English-speaking firefighter from the moon (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/search.php?search_author=firefighter%20from%20the%20moon).

[achilles]

Can someone tell me why Bin Laden is a labeled a " terrorist" ?

no particular reason...hmmmm, well none that i can think of...i think its just a nickname he is having fun with and is doing everything towards being called like that :cantbeli:

[henksmoeder]

Because his idea of an enemy combatant is a 3 year old American child.

Well my my my. If you see the average reaction on children walking around in hamas oufit from americans you can also say the exact opposite thing. In truth, Seal in the making (BUD/S student? or 14 yo college kid with aspirations of being like charlie sheen?), your argument is utter bollocks. However evil you may find terrorists/insurgents/rebels/guerillas/whatever, their target are not 3 year old american kids. Read Bin Laden's letter to the european countries.

[Lazy Lob]

Can someone tell me why Bin Laden is a labeled a " terrorist" ?

Coz some one got one of these:

http://www.sessionsofyork.co.uk/md/mdimages/rc30_intro.jpg

Made a few labels and then sewed them on to all the collars of his shirts.

[CG51]

i see lt crooks is fighting da powa again....

lt crooks messiah...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1570000/images/_1573417_farrakhan300.jpg

[Lt_Crooks]

i just wanted to know what you guys think is a terrorist. stop with the insults OK?http://sc.groups.msn.com/tn/01/21/Lonelyemeraldsanimations/1a/b10.jpg

anyways I didnt mean i hated this country. I love it. I just hate the government.

[Silverdragon]

i just wanted to know what you guys think is a terrorist. stop with the insults OK?http://sc.groups.msn.com/tn/01/21/Lonelyemeraldsanimations/1a/b10.jpg

anyways I didnt mean i hated this country. I love it. I just hate the government.

:roll:

[Lt_Crooks]

i just wanted to know what you guys think is a terrorist. stop with the insults OK?http://sc.groups.msn.com/tn/01/21/Lonelyemeraldsanimations/1a/b10.jpg

anyways I didnt mean i hated this country. I love it. I just hate the government.

:roll:

:roll:

[Gyles84]

The question just seemed a little bizarre thats all.

Usually I guess you'd define terrorists as relatively small non-governmental organisations with little or no democratic backing. Hence their need to excersise violence in order to achieve radical political adgendas. Lack of a democratic basis can lead to leaders needing to be strong with a personality cult in the offing. If you can't win at the ballot box it kind of narrows down your options. :roll:

[Sayeret]

Can someone tell me why Bin Laden is a labeled a " terrorist" ?

This is because he purposely carries out attacks against the civilians to achieve political goals.

btw what's with your avatar?

[Lt_Crooks]

i see lt crooks is fighting da powa again....

lt crooks messiah...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1570000/images/_1573417_farrakhan300.jpg

the nation of islam is a bunch of **** , they are not real muslims.

[Lt_Crooks]

Can someone tell me why Bin Laden is a labeled a " terrorist" ?

This is because he purposely carries out attacks against the civilians to achieve political goals.

btw what's with your avatar?

a music video that i like. check it out in " Off topic" thread it is a zip file. In the "what are you listening to " thread

[Sayeret]

Can someone tell me why Bin Laden is a labeled a " terrorist" ?

This is because he purposely carries out attacks against the civilians to achieve political goals.

btw what's with your avatar?

a music video that i like. check it out in " Off topic" thread it is a zip file. In the "what are you listening to " thread

No, I know what the video is but why did you make it your avatar?

[johnyjee]

:|

[Weasel]

anyways I didnt mean i hated this country. I love it. I just hate the government.

Then you belong to a majority. ;)

[mack pl]

anyways I didnt mean i hated this country. I love it. I just hate the government.

Then you belong to a majority. ;)

majority? where? Maybe in Europe, coz if majority of Americans hates this government, George Walker B. wouldnt won elections, right ;)

[Gyles84]

Mack you fool, its a well known fact the Bush/Cheney/Halliburton/Zionist oligarchy won the election through a mixture of black magic and fear.

Haven't you seen the Bush pymarids yet? :P

[mack pl]

If you told me what pymarids mean, Ill answer your question :lol:

[chauncy republicans]

Can someone tell me why Bin Laden is a labeled a " terrorist" ?

This is because he purposely carries out attacks against the civilians to achieve political goals.

btw what's with your avatar?

a music video that i like. check it out in " Off topic" thread it is a zip file. In the "what are you listening to " thread

No, I know what the video is but why did you make it your avatar?
He probably thinks that Wahabist extremists like Bin Laden will protect him from the "man."

[Weasel]

anyways I didnt mean i hated this country. I love it. I just hate the government.

Then you belong to a majority. ;)

majority? where? Maybe in Europe, coz if majority of Americans hates this government, George Walker B. wouldnt won elections, right ;)


Not only in Europe, in the entire world - excluding Jesusland. ;)

[walford]

anyways I didnt mean i hated this country. I love it. I just hate the government.Then you belong to a majority. majority? where? Maybe in Europe, coz if majority of Americans hates this government, George Walker B. wouldnt won elections, right Not only in Europe, in the entire world - excluding Jesusland.Given the common characteristics of these haters, such regard by the likes of them is the highest form of compliment.

[TALOS]

anyways I didnt mean i hated this country. I love it. I just hate the government.

Then you belong to a majority. ;)

majority? where? Maybe in Europe, coz if majority of Americans hates this government, George Walker B. wouldnt won elections, right ;)


Not only in Europe, in the entire world - excluding Jesusland. ;)
Hmmm so in otherwords only religious people like Bush?
And therefore people who hate bush arent religious and dont believe in Jesus?
Gotta watch making those sweeping generalizations that many on the left keep accusing the "evil right" of.

[SeanAshi]

Can someone tell me why Bin Laden is a labeled a " terrorist" ?


First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.The United States was invited by the Saudi's to protect the muslim holy land since the Arab League wasn't up to par.


On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims
The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip :petting:


We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it.
Can it be any more clearer Lt. Crooks?

[Raistlin]

The moral of this thread - if you want to know what defines a terrorist ask Israelis. Because Americans don't exactly know :P

No offense, just making a little joke with thread observation

[Weasel]

anyways I didnt mean i hated this country. I love it. I just hate the government.

Then you belong to a majority. ;)

majority? where? Maybe in Europe, coz if majority of Americans hates this government, George Walker B. wouldnt won elections, right ;)


Not only in Europe, in the entire world - excluding Jesusland. ;)
Hmmm so in otherwords only religious people like Bush?
And therefore people who hate bush arent religious and dont believe in Jesus?
Gotta watch making those sweeping generalizations that many on the left keep accusing the "evil right" of.

Non, no. Don´t take this too serious.

I just wanted to say that Bush/the government of A. is hated in perhaps 90% of all states in the world. It´s not antiamericanism, is antiimperialism.

[walford]

I just wanted to say that Bush/the government of A. is hated in perhaps 90% of all states in the world. It´s not antiamericanism, is antiimperialism.A majority of the world's population is governed by regimes that are in varying degrees held into place by force and not subject to a popular mandate -- and yet the lions share of global vilification is reserved for America?

The idea that the US is hated more than regimes that are responsible for the wholesale slaughter of hundreds of thousands -- and even millions says more about the haters than it does about the US.

Consider the fact that during the UN's history, Israel has been condemned by resolutions more than any of the other countrys combined. And this included the USSR's post WWII gulag (20 million killed), the PRC's Cultural Revolution (35 million), Pol Pot's Killing Fields (5 million), etc. etc. So much for the value of the international community's perspective.

Insofar as Yankee imperialism is concerned, many European countries do indeed have a legacy of exploitation and leaving behind dictatorships in their wake. It is no coincidence that the most brutal/dangerous regimes in the Middle East and North Africa are former colonies.

Every country that United States has occupied on the other hand, is either a full-fledged democracy or close to it.

[Raistlin]

walford has a point there.

It's just "cool" and "intelligent" to hate US and Israel today. Believe me, real intelligent people have a better perspective then those who just follow the lead. And you all know about how much people love to follow a lead.

[mountainbear]

walford has a point there.

It's just "cool" and "intelligent" to hate US and Israel today. Believe me, real intelligent people have a better perspective then those who just follow the lead. And you all know about how much people love to follow a lead.

I fully agree whit the two last posts.
Over here in Switzerland and also in France (I live near the border) you will find more peoples telling you Hitler was not a bad guy than people telling you they support Republican/Bush politics. You find yourself under a fire of protestation and sarcasms if you say you would have voted for Bush. :(
The fact is you find some peoples who are for bush but they just don’t say it because now it’s fashionable to hate him.

[Knutsen]

It's just "cool" and "intelligent" to hate US and Israel today. Believe me, real intelligent people have a better perspective then those who just follow the lead. And you all know about how much people love to follow a lead.

Insinuating that people don't like Bush and America's foreign policy just because its a trend is an insult to many people. Many people i know (and i include myself) are fully aware that the US is not the most criminal/dangerous country in the world. There are way more cruel regimes in the world (Iran, N Korea, Zimbabwe......) but there's a great difference, they don't portray themselves as the world's most democratic, the land of the free and all that propaganda.
The US does great things, yes, but also does not so great things and when they do something like that (war in Iraq is the latest example) , they hide it behind the magnificent speeches of democracy , freedom and the good vs evil. That's what ****s people up, a country with such a capability of doing good things, a country which in the past really stood fot the values of democracy and freedom , but a country which today is nothing more but a bully.

[Raistlin]

Tell it to those (http://www.abc.net.au/america/results/results11.htm) people. And those (http://www.eubusiness.com/afp/031103170505.xmn7mrha).

Don't be mistaken, all people in all countries create political trends and follow it. For example in Israel after Oslo it was uncool to be right. During last intifadah it was uncool to be left.

Another example which pops to mind is how one of the french members here mentioned about the public trend regarding Nazi collaboration. Just after the war no one thought about it. Then in 70's-80's everyone hated themselves.

It's just psychology/sociology of the masses.

[CG51]

so...europe lumps the US in as a country that is criminal/dangerous and a bully? i didn't realize that our relationship was at that kind of low...forgive my naiveness...

[Weasel]

It's just "cool" and "intelligent" to hate US and Israel today. Believe me, real intelligent people have a better perspective then those who just follow the lead. And you all know about how much people love to follow a lead.

Insinuating that people don't like Bush and America's foreign policy just because its a trend is an insult to many people. Many people i know (and i include myself) are fully aware that the US is not the most criminal/dangerous country in the world. There are way more cruel regimes in the world (Iran, N Korea, Zimbabwe......) but there's a great difference, they don't portray themselves as the world's most democratic, the land of the free and all that propaganda.
The US does great things, yes, but also does not so great things and when they do something like that (war in Iraq is the latest example) , they hide it behind the magnificent speeches of democracy , freedom and the good vs evil. That's what f*** people up, a country with such a capability of doing good things, a country which in the past really stood fot the values of democracy and freedom , but a country which today is nothing more but a bully.

Well spoken!

[CG51]

whats the saying...let them without sin cast the first stone...there are some countries that should never judge us... ;)