Most Americans Now Say War Was a Mistake.

[achilles]

Not sure if this has been posted before.


NEW YORK In a historic shift, a majority of Americans express the view that the U.S. made a mistake in going to war against Iraq, according to a new CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll.

The poll, released on Tuesday, shows that 51% now hold this view, with 48% supporting the decision to go to war. In November those numbers were virtually reversed.

In January, 63% approved of the war and 35% disapproved.

Eighty percent of Democrats find the war a mistake, while 80% of Republicans defend it. The split among Independents is 53% disapprove and 46% approve.

Other views also turned more negative.

By 58% to 39% the public disapproves of the way the U.S. has handled things in that country in recent months.

Nearly half the sample says things are going worse in Iraq than a year ago, with only 20% saying it is going better. link (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000742492)

[Opening Batsman]

Well I did support the war on the original grounds, when I believed that people wouldn't start a war when they didn't even have reliable intelligence. If Saddam did have WMDs, all fine for me. But the fact that it was all rushed and started on the pretext of a lie, I would now say it was a mistake. I hope we learned from the lesson. But I am 100% behind the soldiers.

[BigBaribal]

nt

[Zoomie]

Polls mean nothing to me for many reasons.
#1. I'm never asked my opinion
#2. They're all too easily skewed
#3. They're often set up to be misleading at times
#4. They go to a certain area where they know where they'll get the desired results

Also notice how it never mentioned the amount of people polled, and it seems they were only in New York.

[CG51]

Polls mean nothing to me for many reasons.
#1. I'm never asked my opinion
#2. They're all too easily skewed
#3. They're often set up to be misleading at times
#4. They go to a certain area where they know where they'll get the desired results

Also notice how it never mentioned the amount of people polled, and it seems they were only in New York.

damn straight...#4 usually applies...

[BlackRain]

Most in La. approve of Bush's war methods

By PENNY BROWN ROBERTS
proberts@theadvocate.com
Advocate staff writer

Louisianians generally approve of the way President Bush is handling the war on terrorism, a poll by The Advocate shows.

Voters were asked, "Do you approve or disapprove of the way President Bush is handling al-Qaida and other terrorist organizations?"

Fifty-five percent of those polled indicate they approve of the president, while 40 percent disapprove. Another 5 percent say they don't know or refused to answer.

Answers are sharply divided along party and ethnic lines.

Ninety percent of respondents who identified themselves as Republicans approved, compared to 57 percent of self-identified Independents and 28 percent of self-identified Democrats.

And 85 percent of those who say they voted for Bush approved of the president's record compared to 15 percent who say they supported failed Democratic challenger John Kerry.

Black voters are more likely than white voters to say they disapprove of Bush's handling of anti-terrorism efforts -- 72 percent to 28 percent. At the same time, white voters are more likely than black voters to say they approve -- 67 percent to 23 percent.

Answers vary little by region. Most areas of the state are within the margin of error of each other. The only exception is New Orleans, where slightly more than half of the respondents say they disapprove of the president's record on terrorism.

Baptists are divided on their support, with 46 percent approving and 47 percent disapproving.

A majority of Catholic, Pentecostal, Protestant and Jewish voters polled support Bush's handling of al-Qaida and terrorist organizations. Though a relatively small part of the overall sample, voters who identified themselves as Muslim or of other faiths as well as those affiliated with no particular religion are opposed.

Also, lower income respondents are more disapproving of the president's record, while those who earned more are more supportive. For example, 63 percent of those who earned less than $15,000 disapprove of the way Bush is handling terrorism, while 72 percent of those who earn more than $60,000 approve of it.

[BlackRain]

Those at sharp end solidly support war

Two-thirds of combat veterans say the combat in Iraq is worth fighting.

The Army Times

Despite a year of ferocious combat, mounting casualties and frequent deployments, support for the war in Iraq remains overwhelming among the active-duty military, according to the 2004 Military Times Poll.

Sixty-three percent of respondents approve of the way President Bush is handling the war, and 60 percent remain convinced it is a war worth fighting. Support for the war is even greater among those who have served longest in the combat zone: Two-thirds of combat vets say the war is worth fighting.

But the men and women in uniform are under no illusions about how long they will be fighting in Iraq; nearly half said they expect to be there more than five years.

In addition, despite the pressures of a wartime military, 87 percent said they're satisfied with their jobs and, given the choice today, only 25 percent said they would leave the service.

Compared with last year, support for the war and job satisfaction remain essentially unchanged.

Most surprising, a year ago 77 percent said they thought the military was stretched too thin to be effective. This year that number shrank to 66 percent.

The findings are part of the annual Military Times Poll, which this year included 1,423 active-duty subscribers to Air Force Times, Army Times, Navy Times and Marine Corps Times.

The subscribers were randomly surveyed by mail in late November and early December.

Subscribers to the four papers tend to be older, higher in rank and more career-oriented than the military as a whole. The poll has a margin of error of 2.6 percentage points.

Among the poll's other findings:


75 percent oppose drafting men into the military.

60 percent blame Congress for the shortage of body armor in the combat zone.

Only 12 percent think civilian Pentagon policy-makers should be held accountable for abuse at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

The support among the military for the Iraq war comes at a time when polls of the civilian population show a steady erosion of such support. In a Washington Post-ABC News poll released last week, for example, 56 percent of Americans said the Iraq war is not worth fighting, and 58 percent said they disapproved of the way Bush is handling the war.
But you won't find many doubters in the military ranks.

Air Force 2nd Lt. Brianne Walker, 24, at Little Rock Air Force Base, Ark., said, "Weapons of mass destruction or not, (Bush) was doing what he had to do to protect the people. We were the only ones willing to step up and do it."

Support for the war is strongest among those who have served the longest in the war zone. Two-thirds of those who have spent more than a year in the war zone say the United States should have gone to war, compared with 60 percent overall in the military sample.

The troops also are fully behind their commander in chief, giving him a 71 percent approval rating on overall handling of his job, compared with only 48 percent among civilians, according to the Washington Post-ABC News poll.

[achilles]

It would be extremely helpfull if you posted the link to this article (e-mailing the author is not very convenient). Its good to know WHEN the poll took place and other relevant info. The poll i posted is the most recent one i am aware of.

[BlackRain]

It would be extremely helpfull if you posted the link to this article (e-mailing the author is not very convenient). Its good to know WHEN the poll took place and other relevant info. The poll i posted is the most recent one i am aware of.


Most in La. approve of Bush's war methods - January 14, 2005

http://www.wbrz.com/stories/011505/new_methods001.shtml



Those at sharp end solidly support war - December 27, 2004

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=national&story_id=122704b1_military_poll

[el borracho]

I had a feeling that would happen. Initially I was kinda angry, thinking that since I had been against the war for a long time now, I didn't want all these people jumping on the bandwagon and changing their minds about the war. But, I suppose that I can't blame them for that, finally a lot of people are realizing the truth and want to come over to the other side. That's ok, one step at a time. I predict by 2008, Bush will have worn out his welcome with the American people.

[achilles]

It would be extremely helpfull if you posted the link to this article (e-mailing the author is not very convenient). Its good to know WHEN the poll took place and other relevant info. The poll i posted is the most recent one i am aware of.


Most in La. approve of Bush's war methods - January 14, 2005

http://www.wbrz.com/stories/011505/new_methods001.shtml



Those at sharp end solidly support war - December 27, 2004

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=national&story_id=122704b1_military_poll

Two objections blackrain...the first poll is on L.A. only and the second one has been carried out only among military-related people. In statistics these two problems are called small-sample and/or selected-sample bias problems. I am sure LA is not representative of the US as a whole and definitely people related to the military are bound to create a bias when asked about a war.

[Obergefreiter]

" according to a new CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll"

That is enough to show that this poll was biased from the start. All of these orgizations are extreemly left wing, even gallup is getting bad for this.

If you were to have the same poll done by Fox news the numbers would be exactly the opposite. The source is important as you will almost always know the answer before you see the numbers just by seeing who did the poll.

[achilles]

" according to a new CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll"

That is enough to show that this poll was biased from the start. All of these orgizations are extreemly left wing, even gallup is getting bad for this.

If you were to have the same poll done by Fox news the numbers would be exactly the opposite. The source is important as you will almost always know the answer before you see the numbers just by seeing who did the poll.

True many, if not most, of the polls suck in terms of their technical approach and hence credibility. Yet, i think the CNN/USA Today one managed to grasp (inadvertently or not ;) ) the declining popularity of the war in Iraq.

[ibstolidude]

Trust not the poll interpretations -
Questions such as "Do you think the US should have handled the war in IRaq differently?" - become interpretted as was our going to Iraq a mistake? - 2 entirely seperate questions.

that may or moay not be the case here - I do not trust any polls unless I see the questions in their original form.

[BlackRain]

Two objections blackrain...the first poll is on L.A. only and the second one has been carried out only among military-related people. In statistics these two problems are called small-sample and/or selected-sample bias problems. I am sure LA is not representative of the US as a whole and definitely people related to the military are bound to create a bias when asked about a war.

I don't know why a man from a small Mediterranean country is so interested in a Gallup poll from the USA. Isn't there enough going on in Greece to keep you occupied?

Listen, you started this thread with a poll stating that most people in the USA are against the war.

I simply presented other evidence that this is not necessarily true.

Since you don't like those facts, you try to denigrate them.

My advice, just ignore anything that is contrary to your anti-Bush philosophy. Keep watching Michael Moore movies. It will keep you happy.

[usa320]

I dont believe this poll a minute.... The media wants desperately for us to fail in iraq, and they are playing the propaganda up as best they can.


Knowing what we know now, i would still make the decision to go to war with Iraq. It was long overdue, it had to be done.

[ROY H]

Polls mean nothing to me for many reasons.
#1. I'm never asked my opinion
#2. They're all too easily skewed
#3. They're often set up to be misleading at times
#4. They go to a certain area where they know where they'll get the desired results

Also notice how it never mentioned the amount of people polled, and it seems they were only in New York.

damn straight...#4 usually applies...

Polls said bush would lose also, polls are moronic .

[achilles]

Two objections blackrain...the first poll is on L.A. only and the second one has been carried out only among military-related people. In statistics these two problems are called small-sample and/or selected-sample bias problems. I am sure LA is not representative of the US as a whole and definitely people related to the military are bound to create a bias when asked about a war.

I don't know why a man from a small Mediterranean country is so interested in a Gallup poll from the USA.

You are not being serious are you? :lol: Well, since you put it this way...i couldnt decide between posting a gallup from the USA and a gallup about Micronesia's immigration policy but finally i decided to go with a minor country such as the USA.
Isn't there enough going on in Greece to keep you occupied?

Not really, everything works like a swiss watch here in Greece...feels like paradise.

Listen, you started this thread with a poll stating that most people in the USA are against the war.

I simply presented other evidence that this is not necessarily true.

Fine, i just pointed out the problems with the gallups you posted as i equally commented that 'my' gallup is not impeccable.

Since you don't like those facts, you try to denigrate them.


Of course this is not true simply because you say so. I have no problems with the facts but i may have serious problems with the method used towads getting there. I was carefull enough to say that many, if not most, gallups are problematic.

In fact this is what you did, by posting irrelevant gallups. One from LA and one from military people for god's sake :lol: . Speaking about 'denigrating', i remember you trying to make a point against a pre-election gallup i posted by using my source and changing the numbers the way that suited you. Just a small reference to your posting record... ;)


My advice, just ignore anything that is contrary to your anti-Bush philosophy. Keep watching Michael Moore movies. It will keep you happy.

Its just that any sort of pro-Bush opinion (cause there are hardly any pro-Bush facts) cannot convince me. How can a man from a small mediteranean country have anything personal with W.?

Sorry man, i didnt mean to confuse you with any facts regarding the irrelevance of what you posted. Keep on preaching Bush's nobility and continue believing that the war in Iraq is taking place for the sake of Iraqis. Might be good for your sleep.

[BlackRain]

. Keep on preaching Bush's nobility and continue believing that the war in Iraq is taking place for the sake of Iraqis. Might be good for your sleep.


Thanks for the advice.

Just go back to your sheep herding or Taramasalata making.

We will continue to help people around the world with effects of natural disasters, tyrants, and promote freedom.

People like you just snipe from the sidelines and "no one will remember your name".

[achilles]

. Keep on preaching Bush's nobility and continue believing that the war in Iraq is taking place for the sake of Iraqis. Might be good for your sleep.


Thanks for the advice.

No problem, always at your disposal.

Just go back to your sheep herding or Taramasalata making.

Thank you for demonstrating this fine piece of vomitting sarcasm :lol:
Its TARAMOSALATA actually...good for the heart and keeps you in shape. Highly recommended for fat Americans that need a crane to get their asses off the couch. If you ever come to Greece i ll show you the good original stuff, and who knows...we might do some goat-herding together as well

We will continue to help people around the world with effects of natural disasters, tyrants, and promote freedom.

Hey...i am gonna cry.... Perhaps you could convince your 2 year old grandson when you get one with that kind of emotional nonsense.
People like you just snipe from the sidelines and "no one will remember your name".

I must admit that this had an element of poetry in it... :hug:



Frankly i am surprised. You ve always had credibillity issues in your posts/opinions/sources but this time you let a specific amount of your little hatred come out. Its like unveiling a pile of **** covered with silk.
Honesty crisis and free expression is always good for everyone. Keep up the good work and reveal more of yourself.

[Opening Batsman]

People like you just snipe from the sidelines and "no one will remember your name".
And what will yours be remembered for?

[achilles]

People like you just snipe from the sidelines and "no one will remember your name".
And what will yours be remembered for?

For epic lines like this:

Just go back to your sheep herding or Taramasalata making

:lol: ;)

[Opening Batsman]

People like you just snipe from the sidelines and "no one will remember your name".
And what will yours be remembered for?

For epic lines like this:

Just go back to your sheep herding or Taramasalata making

:lol: ;)

You have a point. His great speech has inspire me to go and make some "Taramasalata" and herd some sheep. He will go down in history for sure.

[BlackRain]

Honesty crisis and free expression is always good for everyone. Keep up the good work and reveal more of yourself

Come on, that was pretty funny. It made me laugh. I hope that it did not hurt your feelings and make you cry. Come on now, little camper. Chin up. Let's see a smile.

I always enjoy our little chats.

I will be remembered for my big hands and giant skull.

Now, time for Ouzo.

[Opening Batsman]

You didn't answer my question. You seem so sure that people will remember your name. What will they remember yours for?

[BlackRain]

You didn't answer my question. You seem so sure that people will remember your name. What will they remember yours for?

I guess you missed the point.

If you had seen the movie "Achilles" --- now stay with me -- the poster I was dealing with was named "achilles" -- you would know what I was referring to.

Since, you don't get it. Don't get your panties in a knot because it is not very important.

[Opening Batsman]

:cantbeli:

[ViktorNavorski]

"Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. 14% of people know that." - Homer Simpson

[SOG]

It would be extremely helpfull if you posted the link to this article (e-mailing the author is not very convenient). Its good to know WHEN the poll took place and other relevant info. The poll i posted is the most recent one i am aware of.


Most in La. approve of Bush's war methods - January 14, 2005

http://www.wbrz.com/stories/011505/new_methods001.shtml



Those at sharp end solidly support war - December 27, 2004

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=national&story_id=122704b1_military_poll

Two objections blackrain...the first poll is on L.A. only and the second one has been carried out only among military-related people. In statistics these two problems are called small-sample and/or selected-sample bias problems. I am sure LA is not representative of the US as a whole and definitely people related to the military are bound to create a bias when asked about a war.

actually the retarded poll is guilty of same sidedness. ney york is a overly liberal pc state and in saying that "this is what americans think is ridiculous. again playing the "my side is better than yours" when black rain essentially proved results are VERY location specific. how is this anything new, of course roughly half of america is against the war, look at the preidential polls, country divided. but polling a specific state and thinking it speaks for the rest of the country? :roll: more trumped up media one sidedness. posting this is like posting a celebrities opinion, it doesnt matter.

[Celareon]

*edit

[usm2b]

f*ck the media and f*ck terrorists!

[Opening Batsman]

f*ck the media and f*ck terrorists!

And you wonder why you aren't a mod yet. ;)

[Pandy]

What's done is done, if we fail in Iraq, then we fall as a superpower... If we fall as a superpower.... well, anyone can guess what will happen.

[M1A2U2]

That's ok, one step at a time. I predict by 2008, Bush will have worn out his welcome with the American people.

I predict by 2008 the iraqi people will be free no thanks to you. I dont care about WMDs or Bush. No one on this earth should have to live like people lived under saddam. If there is someone who wants to end that I will support them whether its in one country or all countries. Bush freed the people of iraq although i know you hate to admit it. Who gives a **** about WMDs. I will support any action that ultimatly results in the freedom of 26 million people. Anyone who doesnt give a **** about others and just wants to play politics should be ashamed of themselves.

[Opening Batsman]

That's ok, one step at a time. I predict by 2008, Bush will have worn out his welcome with the American people.

I predict by 2008 the iraqi people will be free no thanks to you. I dont care about WMDs or Bush. No one on this earth should have to live like people lived under saddam. If there is someone who wants to end that I will support them whether its in one country or all countries. Bush freed the people of iraq although i know you hate to admit it. Who gives a **** about WMDs. I will support any action that ultimatly results in the freedom of 26 million people. Anyone who doesnt give a **** about others and just wants to play politics should be ashamed of themselves.

I have quoted it before on another thread, there was an interview with an Iraqi woman on the radio. She said (it was translated) that the yanks had removed a dictator but that is as far as the changes went. Their lives are still ****. For many their lives are even ****ter than pre-invasion due to homes lost and family members killed. Don't fool yourself into thinking that now they are all living a life of luxury and safety. In five years time when I look back, I hope that the reality of now will not be the reality of then.

[Ratman]

Most in La. approve of Bush's war methods

By PENNY BROWN ROBERTS
proberts@theadvocate.com
Advocate staff writer

Louisianians generally approve of the way President Bush is handling the war on terrorism, a poll by The Advocate shows.

Voters were asked, "Do you approve or disapprove of the way President Bush is handling al-Qaida and other terrorist organizations?"

Fifty-five percent of those polled indicate they approve of the president, while 40 percent disapprove. Another 5 percent say they don't know or refused to answer.

Answers are sharply divided along party and ethnic lines.

Ninety percent of respondents who identified themselves as Republicans approved, compared to 57 percent of self-identified Independents and 28 percent of self-identified Democrats.

And 85 percent of those who say they voted for Bush approved of the president's record compared to 15 percent who say they supported failed Democratic challenger John Kerry.

Black voters are more likely than white voters to say they disapprove of Bush's handling of anti-terrorism efforts -- 72 percent to 28 percent. At the same time, white voters are more likely than black voters to say they approve -- 67 percent to 23 percent.

Answers vary little by region. Most areas of the state are within the margin of error of each other. The only exception is New Orleans, where slightly more than half of the respondents say they disapprove of the president's record on terrorism.

Baptists are divided on their support, with 46 percent approving and 47 percent disapproving.

A majority of Catholic, Pentecostal, Protestant and Jewish voters polled support Bush's handling of al-Qaida and terrorist organizations. Though a relatively small part of the overall sample, voters who identified themselves as Muslim or of other faiths as well as those affiliated with no particular religion are opposed.

Also, lower income respondents are more disapproving of the president's record, while those who earned more are more supportive. For example, 63 percent of those who earned less than $15,000 disapprove of the way Bush is handling terrorism, while 72 percent of those who earn more than $60,000 approve of it.

92.6% of poverty-stricken Louisians(?) thought it was a good idea to give tax cuts to billionaires while their health and education services were cut. My dog is smarter than that. How are you going to expect them to understand geopolitics.

[achilles]

It would be extremely helpfull if you posted the link to this article (e-mailing the author is not very convenient). Its good to know WHEN the poll took place and other relevant info. The poll i posted is the most recent one i am aware of.


Most in La. approve of Bush's war methods - January 14, 2005

http://www.wbrz.com/stories/011505/new_methods001.shtml



Those at sharp end solidly support war - December 27, 2004

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=national&story_id=122704b1_military_poll

Two objections blackrain...the first poll is on L.A. only and the second one has been carried out only among military-related people. In statistics these two problems are called small-sample and/or selected-sample bias problems. I am sure LA is not representative of the US as a whole and definitely people related to the military are bound to create a bias when asked about a war.

actually the retarded poll is guilty of same sidedness. ney york is a overly liberal pc state and in saying that "this is what americans think is ridiculous. again playing the "my side is better than yours" when black rain essentially proved results are VERY location specific. how is this anything new, of course roughly half of america is against the war, look at the preidential polls, country divided. but polling a specific state and thinking it speaks for the rest of the country? :roll: more trumped up media one sidedness. posting this is like posting a celebrities opinion, it doesnt matter.

It has been discussed before but let me repeat it. Titles are usually misleading as to attract more readers. The title of this thread is not the most accurate ever but i never change original titles for obvious reasons. Hence, i never made any universal claims (aggregate US) based on the specific poll. Let me remind you what i posted:

True many, if not most, of the polls suck in terms of their technical approach and hence credibility. Yet, i think the CNN/USA Today one managed to grasp (inadvertently or not ) the declining popularity of the war in Iraq.

Fine, i just pointed out the problems with the gallups you posted as i equally commented that 'my' gallup is not impeccable.

As you can see i pointed out myself the problematic character of polls. Ibstolidude added very valid points to that.

This is from the article's text and it is the point i wanted to stress out:

The poll, released on Tuesday, shows that 51% now hold this view, with 48% supporting the decision to go to war. In November those numbers were virtually reversed.

I emphasized the declining trend in this war's popularity. It seems there is a great difference between November and January. Two identical polls conducted in two different periods of time at the same place can yield usefull results, all other things being equal. Less and less people support the war and even less approve of the recent developments. Simple as that. Blackrain, as usual, rushed into posting stuff that hardly refuted anything of what i said but dont worry...its just his usual technique of distoring opinions/facts and missing the point.

Please tell me, based on your intuition and from what you read/discuss etc. Even if most of American agree with the war in Iraq and/or recent handlings of Bush's cabinet, would you say that the popularity of the war is steady or even increasing? I can say with relative certainty that the popularity of this war is declining and is most likely declining in regions where the majority of the people still support the war.

[achilles]

Honesty crisis and free expression is always good for everyone. Keep up the good work and reveal more of yourself

Come on, that was pretty funny. It made me laugh. I hope that it did not hurt your feelings and make you cry. Come on now, little camper. Chin up. Let's see a smile.

I always enjoy our little chats.

Now, time for Ouzo.

Hey sweetie, its good to see you following my advice and reveal more of yourself. Its also good to see that i am amusing you. :hug: But you did hurt my feelings there for a moment there luv...promiss not to do it again? :)

In fact i love camping i have to give you some credit for finding that out. Dig this...camping in Olympus, barbequeing lamb chops with some taramosalata on the side and tons of ouzo. Why dont you pay us a visit sometime?...our hospitality remains intact even with fat-headed greaseheads like yourself :D


I will be remembered for my big hands and giant skull.

True. You forgot the 'hairy brain' part

[BlackRain]

Most in La. approve of Bush's war methods

By PENNY BROWN ROBERTS
proberts@theadvocate.com
Advocate staff writer

Louisianians generally approve of the way President Bush is handling the war on terrorism, a poll by The Advocate shows.

Voters were asked, "Do you approve or disapprove of the way President Bush is handling al-Qaida and other terrorist organizations?"

Fifty-five percent of those polled indicate they approve of the president, while 40 percent disapprove. Another 5 percent say they don't know or refused to answer.

Answers are sharply divided along party and ethnic lines.

Ninety percent of respondents who identified themselves as Republicans approved, compared to 57 percent of self-identified Independents and 28 percent of self-identified Democrats.

And 85 percent of those who say they voted for Bush approved of the president's record compared to 15 percent who say they supported failed Democratic challenger John Kerry.

Black voters are more likely than white voters to say they disapprove of Bush's handling of anti-terrorism efforts -- 72 percent to 28 percent. At the same time, white voters are more likely than black voters to say they approve -- 67 percent to 23 percent.

Answers vary little by region. Most areas of the state are within the margin of error of each other. The only exception is New Orleans, where slightly more than half of the respondents say they disapprove of the president's record on terrorism.

Baptists are divided on their support, with 46 percent approving and 47 percent disapproving.

A majority of Catholic, Pentecostal, Protestant and Jewish voters polled support Bush's handling of al-Qaida and terrorist organizations. Though a relatively small part of the overall sample, voters who identified themselves as Muslim or of other faiths as well as those affiliated with no particular religion are opposed.

Also, lower income respondents are more disapproving of the president's record, while those who earned more are more supportive. For example, 63 percent of those who earned less than $15,000 disapprove of the way Bush is handling terrorism, while 72 percent of those who earn more than $60,000 approve of it.

92.6% of poverty-stricken Louisians(?) thought it was a good idea to give tax cuts to billionaires while their health and education services were cut. My dog is smarter than that. How are you going to expect them to understand geopolitics.

Your criticism of the citizens of Louisiana makess no sense. Louisiana has a higher GDP and a higher standard of living than France

[BlackRain]

Honesty crisis and free expression is always good for everyone. Keep up the good work and reveal more of yourself

Come on, that was pretty funny. It made me laugh. I hope that it did not hurt your feelings and make you cry. Come on now, little camper. Chin up. Let's see a smile.

I always enjoy our little chats.

Now, time for Ouzo.

Hey sweetie, its good to see you following my advice and reveal more of yourself. Its also good to see that i am amusing you. :hug: But you did hurt my feelings there for a moment there luv...promiss not to do it again? :)

In fact i love camping i have to give you some credit for finding that out. Dig this...camping in Olympus, barbequeing lamb chops with some taramosalata on the side and tons of ouzo. Why dont you pay us a visit sometime?...our hospitality remains intact even with fat-headed greaseheads like yourself :D


I will be remembered for my big hands and giant skull.

True. You forgot the 'hairy brain' part

If my travels ever take me to Greece, I will take you up on that offer and impress your friends with my good looks. :P

[Group9]

[quote="M1A2U2"][quote]I have quoted it before on another thread, there was an interview with an Iraqi woman on the radio. She said (it was translated) that the yanks had removed a dictator but that is as far as the changes went. .

Was she Shiite or Sunni? Because it makes a big difference who you are asking over there. You had twenty per cent of the country living off of the other eighty per cent. Guess who's standard of living is going to go up and whose is going to go down. Guess whose happy about that and whose not.

Even the Sunnis are not going to defend Saddam when interviewed, but they are going to describe how terrible life is now compared to before.

It is easy to make the choice between freedom and wealth, versus no freedom and no wealth as to which was better.

The history books on Iraq have not been written yet. There is no doubt the US will take the blame if it is a failure. I predict that there will be many who claim victory if things turn out okay.

[achilles]

Honesty crisis and free expression is always good for everyone. Keep up the good work and reveal more of yourself

Come on, that was pretty funny. It made me laugh. I hope that it did not hurt your feelings and make you cry. Come on now, little camper. Chin up. Let's see a smile.

I always enjoy our little chats.

Now, time for Ouzo.

Hey sweetie, its good to see you following my advice and reveal more of yourself. Its also good to see that i am amusing you. :hug: But you did hurt my feelings there for a moment there luv...promiss not to do it again? :)

In fact i love camping i have to give you some credit for finding that out. Dig this...camping in Olympus, barbequeing lamb chops with some taramosalata on the side and tons of ouzo. Why dont you pay us a visit sometime?...our hospitality remains intact even with fat-headed greaseheads like yourself :D


I will be remembered for my big hands and giant skull.

True. You forgot the 'hairy brain' part

If my travels ever take me to Greece, I will take you up on that offer and impress your friends with my good looks. :P

Looks dont matter that much...it all depends on how fast you can do this:.............http://ausspecialforces.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_butt.gif
;)

[MCdG]

...just do me a favor...

To those who supported the war originally and now don't:

Quit asking why "the media" didn't highlight the inconsistencies.
They did. They got beaten up for it. They won't again.

I'm amazed at the number of people in The Pentagon who to this day keep asking journalists why, before the operation, they did not emphasize the warning signs that our intelligence and plans were awry.

The denigration that has gone on has really hurt our future. The next time we jump off of a cliff, nobody will say anything until we're halfway down... and then it will be something really useful like "I told you so!" or, worse "Oh @#$%^!"

[el borracho]

That's ok, one step at a time. I predict by 2008, Bush will have worn out his welcome with the American people.

I predict by 2008 the iraqi people will be free no thanks to you. I dont care about WMDs or Bush. No one on this earth should have to live like people lived under saddam. If there is someone who wants to end that I will support them whether its in one country or all countries. Bush freed the people of iraq although i know you hate to admit it. Who gives a **** about WMDs. I will support any action that ultimatly results in the freedom of 26 million people. Anyone who doesnt give a **** about others and just wants to play politics should be ashamed of themselves.

No thanks to me? That's right, not like I'm in the military or anything. :roll:


I'm not in the sand fighting, but just cause I'm not over there doesn't mean that there aren't other critical missions going on keeping those people safe.

[M1A2U2]

The point is if it was up to you the Iraqi people would have been liberated. And auzzie, congradulations, you found one Iraqi woman with an opinion that helps you sleep better at night. I can find an Iraqi with the opposite opinion, in fact one spoke at the RNC, so please dont post anything else as idiodic as something like that. Why dont you tell the iraqis that have had their tongues cut out and watched their daughters being raped that they are living in a worse situation.

[achilles]

What's done is done, if we fail in Iraq, then we fall as a superpower... If we fall as a superpower.... well, anyone can guess what will happen.

I dont think you will fall in the traditional sense of an empire collapsing etc. Your 'fall' can be equated to your 'declining power' which is inevitable and already happening i think.

A failure in Iraq will not make you 'fall' in the strict sense but it will demonstrate your vulnerability and incompetence in your brilliant visions of 'nation building'. However a decline in your global influence will be good for everyone. Its good to have more than one pole of power. I am looking forward to Europe being the second one.

[Opening Batsman]

The point is if it was up to you the Iraqi people would have been liberated. And auzzie, congradulations, you found one Iraqi woman with an opinion that helps you sleep better at night. I can find an Iraqi with the opposite opinion, in fact one spoke at the RNC, so please dont post anything else as idiodic as something like that. Why dont you tell the iraqis that have had their tongues cut out and watched their daughters being raped that they are living in a worse situation.

I am a realist and I know for a fact that not all of their lives are improved out of sight. As I said, I hope that in the future I can look back and see the improvement in the nation. Stop your flamemongering.