Unknown Delta Force Operation in Grenada

[NcDeuce]

Delta Force operative was on CNN: Wolf Blitzer Reports

Wow, I did not know about this particular firefight. For whoever said that Grenada was not a war, you need to reconsider your opinion.

They actually had a video of Little Birds flying about 20-30 feet above the water headed towards a fight. Next you see MH-60 Black Hawks zoom by and one get hit by an RPG. It crashes and all 16 on board are injured, 2 of the able-bodied Delta guys set up a perimeter and establish communication. A rescue bird full of more Delta Force commandos flies to the crash...Jump out the bird, no ropes or anything. The Delta operator being interviewed on Wolf Blitzer said the rescue squad of D-boys were jumping from 30-40 feet straight down into the jungle. They used the trees to break their fall. Rescue was performed and everyone was evacuated, I believe the pilot died, however.

Now that is badass. God Bless our Special Ops.

martinexsquaddie wrote:

America wanted to look big and suceeded but only just against an enemy with no air assets at all. It was hardly a glorious victory against the odds Professional soldiers with total air superiority naval support against the feared Grenadidean Army a hundred eastern european advisors and 700 cuban workers who'd all had military training not exactly a crack fighting force. Belive what you will If the op had been planned better most of the heroics would not have been neccesary

mocking_loudly_died wrote:

Oh god, Grenanda a war?

That was a ***** competition, America hadn't gotten laid in a while and decided to try out the ugly no challenge chick for kicks.

The Delta operator being interviewed also mentioned that Lt. Gen. Boykin (who was a Delta Major in the battle I just mentioned from Grenada), who was critized for some comments he made on Muslims and now the big Rumsfield ordeal, was shot through the shoulder by an RPG and fought on. Hardcore! Now that is who I want leading me into battle.

[ChuckThunder]

The Delta operator being interviewed on Wolf Blitzer said the rescue squad of D-boys were jumping from 30-40 feet straight down into the jungle. They used the trees to break their fall. Rescue was performed and everyone was evacuated, I believe the pilot died, however.

Very hardcore...

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

well thats ****ing intense...no training can prepare someone for a 30-40ft drop into a combat zone :|

[Argyll]

shot through the sholuder with an RPG?
Have you seen the diameter of an RPG ..............try having your shoulder removed by an RPG more like.,unless it didn't explode a la BHD.but none the less this is BS!!
despite this story Grenada was NOT a war,one incident does not make a war,and again this is a media type hype ,and therefore is inconclusive,No offence here TF but this has NEVER been said before,why does it only surface now?

30-40 ft above the jungle no ropes and they lept not knowing what was down there...........this sounds like a cross between rambo and BHD....well even if this did happen does that make it a war?......sorry that makes it a SAR mission,not a war.!
You need to stop thinking that every action undertaken by the US SOF is a war.............it is not!!!.
Try listening to your fellow "old sweats",they're offering good info!

[96B]

I also watched it and he was definately NOT shot through the shoulder or shot at all by an RPG as a matter of fact it was a single 51 caliber AA round. Not to make matters any less severe though because I am sure that being shot by that would ruin your day.

It was short but definately awesome to see and it allowed me to add more reasons why I respect those guys so much. I tend to favor their professional attitudes alot better than the "in your face and boasting" attitude of Marcinko types.

It was most certainly a "war" for these guys involved, but on a scale of size then no it does not compare to say OIF. I have read about that event before in Eric Haney's book and it describes much of what happened as he was involved as well. Despite what TF misunderstood about the RPG, the rest of the story is true and yes they did jump 30 feet to the ground without ropes.

This event was another example of a "little known" story outside of the military and incase nobody realized, the whole story of Black Hawk Down was most certainly not publicized much. Before the movie ever came out or even the book for that matter, most Americans only remembered the bodies being dragged through the streets and had no knowledge of what actually happened. That does not make it any less important and just because these events are tiny compared to an all out war, they still can have an enormous impact on the military community and those fallen should never be forgotten.

[NcDeuce]

51 caliber AA round
My bad :cantbeli:

[SFontaine]

Wish I could see these videos.

[martinexsquaddie]

one intense firefight does not make a war.
Still does not change my mind that it was a badly thought out op for dubious reasons. Putting men in Harms way with out even decent maps is pretty inxcusable. Maybe the invasion happend because the marines were killed in Beruit who knows

[Argyll]

It was a Mission, called Operation Urgent Fury,not a war.
In Northern Irerland we frequently went on "OPERATIONS" which involved 1000's of men from different units,it was never refrered to as a WAR
My view on this will not change either,again no disrespect to these guys who took part,but a firefight ,intense or not does not make it a war!
The SAS Para "rescue" in Seirra Leonne was an Operation/Mission not a war,and they had very intense firefights!!
The USMC Presence in Beirut was again an Mission/Operation,they were not at War.
The US Operation/Mission in Haiti was not a war.
WW1
WW2
Korea
Vietnam
Glf War in 91,and 03 ...................................were all wars

[Phantom]

That's right!!! I doubt it could even be considered a conflict. But as for Op U F they didn't declare war SO IT'S NOT A WAR JACKASS. Technically Vietnam was not a war either since they didn't declare war.

[96B]

That's right!!! I doubt it could even be considered a conflict. But as for Op U F they didn't declare war SO IT'S NOT A WAR JACKASS. Technically Vietnam was not a war either since they didn't declare war.

Just of of curiosity who are you calling a jackass?

[NcDeuce]

That's right!!! I doubt it could even be considered a conflict. But as for Op U F they didn't declare war


one intense firefight does not make a war.
Do a little more research, there were dozens of firefights/battles.


It was a Mission, called Operation Urgent Fury,not a war.

War is defined as the state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations (2) : a period of such armed conflict (3) : state of hostility, conflict, or antagonism.

The U.S. invasion of Grenada and the toppling of it's Marxist government was part of a greater regional conflict. This conflict involved the U.S. and it's Central American and Caribbean allies on one side and Fidel Castro's Cuba, the Sandinista government of Nicaragua and various Marxist guerrilla armies on the other. President Reagan was concerned that the Marxist government of Prime Minister Maurice Bishop was allowing Cuba to gain undue influence in Grenada, specifically by constructing a military-grade airport with Cuban military engineers.

On October 13, 1983, the Grenadian Army seized power in a bloody coup. The severity of the violence, coupled with Coard's hard-line Marxism, caused concern with neighboring Caribbean nations. Also, the nearly 1,000 American medical students caused added concern.

There have been many conflicts fought by the United States without a declaration of war - but few have been long enough or formal enough to necessitate formal declarations. Among some of the major undeclared wars of the United States are the following ten conflicts.

The Florida Seminole Wars 1817 - 1858
The American Civil War 1861 - 1865
The Korean War 1950 - 1953
The Vietnam War 1964 - 1972
The First Gulf War 1991
The War on Drugs 1980's-Present
The Kosovo War
The War on Terror 2001-Present
Operation Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan) 2001
The Second Gulf War 2003

So I think the men who fought in Grenada would have to strongly disagree with you.

[Whisper]

where can you find these videos?

[Argyll]

It was the fact the there were Americans there that Reagan Intervened,it was more a rescue mission than anything else.

Your sticking with your war stance,and I'll stick by mine that it was no more than a conflict,there was never a declaration of war,the invasion was a complete" surprise" to all those concerned,even to the citizens of the USA who awoke to find that they invaded a Carribean Island most had never heard of!!.
Pres.Reagan or Castro never decalred a war against each other!
By your definition I have been to war in Northern Ireland,along with counltess thousands of other British squaddies!!

[Trident-za]

It was most certainly a "war" for these guys involved, but on a scale of size then no it does not compare to say OIF. I have read about that event before in Eric Haney's book and it describes much of what happened as he was involved as well.

I read that book too (awesome insight into Delta). The thing that struck me about the whole thing was exactly what perplexed Haney..... a bomb goes off in Beruit (I can't rememer exactly) - the USA responds by invading Grenada. Confused the hell out of the Delta guys.....

[martinexsquaddie]

whatever the hell it was is was Fubarded to the Max Now relying on sat photos for security reasons maybe ok if its a sof op but if your going to use an aircraft carrier and a battalion size para drop its not really going to be that secure get maps and do it properly :|

[96B]

It was most certainly a "war" for these guys involved, but on a scale of size then no it does not compare to say OIF. I have read about that event before in Eric Haney's book and it describes much of what happened as he was involved as well.

I read that book too (awesome insight into Delta). The thing that struck me about the whole thing was exactly what perplexed Haney..... a bomb goes off in Beruit (I can't rememer exactly) - the USA responds by invading Grenada. Confused the hell out of the Delta guys.....

I felt the same way while reading the book. A funny part of it relating to Grenada was when they were in the helo and when one of the Delta guys got "hit" he lookd down and a white substance was oozing out of his leg and him and Haney stared at it and pondered what part of his body would look like that and it turns out it was the guys toothpaste because he was "proud of his perly whites and took toothpaste with him EVERYWHERE"

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

For the guys that were brave enough to go threw grenada, they should be treated with respect and honor's they deserve. By saying it wasnt even a war is just plain silly, I'm sure if the people that said it were there they'd have a much different view on things. They wouldnt be calling it a "conflict" if there ass was in that downed helicopter. Saying any different tarnish's the the reputation of those brave men. If you think any different maybe someone should contact a person who lives/fought in grenada and ask them if it was a war.

[Phantom]

ok, then what about this. What makes a war? What makes an conflict? If we're going to be calling them something, let's define them.

[burnt by the sun]

It was a Mission, called Operation Urgent Fury,not a war.
In Northern Irerland we frequently went on "OPERATIONS" which involved 1000's of men from different units,it was never refrered to as a WAR
My view on this will not change either,again no disrespect to these guys who took part,but a firefight ,intense or not does not make it a war!
The SAS Para "rescue" in Seirra Leonne was an Operation/Mission not a war,and they had very intense firefights!!
The USMC Presence in Beirut was again an Mission/Operation,they were not at War.
The US Operation/Mission in Haiti was not a war.
WW1
WW2
Korea
Vietnam
Glf War in 91,and 03 ...................................were all wars

well "jack ass" we haven't been to war since WWII only congress can declare war and they haven't done that since WWII. you might thing gulf war I and II were wars but they were just con flicts. however i believe iraq will be similair to vitnam.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

"iraq will be similair to vietnam."

last time i said that you guys wanted to bbq me...I believe it will be similar in the hit and run tactics being used but not similar in the amount of casualties.

[Phantom]

I already knew that u ****head.

[Argyll]

Burnt by the Sun
rofl rofl rofl rofl
Jack ass,you ansewed the question in your post,who's the jack ass now?
Like I said who gives a f*ck.
You ever been in one?You ever served.......jackass!!

[Phantom]

[Argyll]

I wasn't refering to you Phantom!! :lol:

Yes I've served 80-88

[budanski]

Argyll,

I find your avatar offensive and unappropriate to this respectable board.

I Love it!!! :D

[Argyll]

A Million Thanks there Bud!!
Truly a great avatar from a good friend!!

[Gordon]

Delta Force operative was on CNN: Wolf Blitzer Reports

Wow, I did not know about this particular firefight.

If I remember rightly Haney talks about this firefight in his book on Delta Force.

[96B]

Argyll, your avatar looks similar to a girl I used to date... man the memories rofl

[tthiel]

Who died and put you in charge of the dictionary?


It was a Mission, called Operation Urgent Fury,not a war.
In Northern Irerland we frequently went on "OPERATIONS" which involved 1000's of men from different units,it was never refrered to as a WAR
My view on this will not change either,again no disrespect to these guys who took part,but a firefight ,intense or not does not make it a war!
The SAS Para "rescue" in Seirra Leonne was an Operation/Mission not a war,and they had very intense firefights!!
The USMC Presence in Beirut was again an Mission/Operation,they were not at War.
The US Operation/Mission in Haiti was not a war.
WW1
WW2
Korea
Vietnam
Glf War in 91,and 03 ...................................were all wars

[Royal]

There have been many conflicts fought by the United States without a declaration of war - but few have been long enough or formal enough to necessitate formal declarations. Among some of the major undeclared wars of the United States are the following ten conflicts.

The Florida Seminole Wars 1817 - 1858
The American Civil War 1861 - 1865
The Korean War 1950 - 1953
The Vietnam War 1964 - 1972
The First Gulf War 1991
The War on Drugs 1980's-Present
The Kosovo War
The War on Terror 2001-Present
Operation Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan) 2001
The Second Gulf War 2003

So I think the men who fought in Grenada would have to strongly disagree with you.

You contradict yourself.

War entails a declaration of such from one or both sides. This does not mean that the laws and customs of war, or the Geneva conventions do not apply.

Therefore none of the above are/were wars. There have been many conflicts, confrontations and operations since WWII, some of which I have been involved in, despite that I (and any other currently serving member of our (or the US)armed forces) have never served in a war.

[Trigger]

[quote="tthiel"]Who died and put you in charge of the dictionary?

[quote="Argyll"]It was a Mission, called Operation Urgent Fury,not a war.
In Northern Irerland we frequently went on "OPERATIONS" which involved 1000's of men from different units,it was never refrered to as a WAR
My view on this will not change either,again no disrespect to these guys who took part,but a firefight ,intense or not does not make it a war!
The SAS Para "rescue" in Seirra Leonne was an Operation/Mission not a war,and they had very intense firefights!!
The USMC Presence in Beirut was again an Mission/Operation,they were not at War.
The US Operation/Mission in Haiti was not a war.
WW1
WW2
Korea
Vietnam
Who died and left you access to their keyboard? :roll:

[Argyll]

rofl nice one trig!!

[A$$MAN]

Delta Force operative was on CNN: Wolf Blitzer Reports

Wow, I did not know about this particular firefight.

If I remember rightly Haney talks about this firefight in his book on Delta Force.

CSM Haney does write of his Grenada experience and how fvcked up it was. He also wrote that the conflict was fueled by a CEO who had extremely close ties to the Reagan Administration (he doesn't mention him by name) and had lost large profit margins by the then Grenada govt's regulations.