Navy SEALs BUD/S Class 234: Diving Phase

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45 minutes of screen capture, and another 45 minutes of work just to post these pictures... I still have a good faith in someone that will buy me a beer or 2 for this p-)

[charliebravo]

I love you Splinter, you are my hero! Thanks for those 45 minutes, it made my day!

[ChuckThunder]

Thanks, I going to the Discovery store in the mall tomorrow and buying those DVDs.

For anyone else interested in BUD/S training I strongly suggest you buy (or check out from library) a book called THE WARRIOR ELITE: The Forging of SEAL Class 228. By **** Couch. Its a great book.

[96B]

I can also further attest that it definately is a good book. I liked it so much I read it three times. At the end of BUD/S they had a competition of who could do the most what and here are the numbers incase you guys care:

Seaman Warren Conner - 230 pushups
LtJG Bill Gallagher - 158 situps
Ensign Jason Birch - 37 pullups
Seaman Larry Romero - 15:33 three mile run
Petty Officer John Collins - 12:00 1/2 mile swim

The book goes on to emphasize that this was while they were still in BUD/S and that their bodies have not been given time to recover and muscles rebuild. If they had been allowed a recovery period, the numbers would have been even higher.

[Splinter26]

Np charlie. Thunder I also have that book, very detailed it's awesome, I love it :] By the way, I don't think you can buy those DVDs in the mall or in any store, you can only buy them at Discovery.com but I'm not sure about it.

[ChuckThunder]

Np charlie. Thunder I also have that book, very detailed it's awesome, I love it :] By the way, I don't think you can buy those DVDs in the mall or in any store, you can only buy them at Discovery.com but I'm not sure about it.

I saw them there last week but didn't think the $80 was worth it. I didn't watch much of the show when it was airing, but now I must buy them!

I'm glad quite a few guys here have read The Warrior Elite. I had randomly picked it off the shelf at Barnes & Nobles, and its one of the best books I've read. **** Couch's next book, which comes out next year, is about SEAL Tactical Training (STT); the next part of training before you become a SEAL. That will be a must buy. :)

[Splinter26]

I saw them there last week but didn't think the $80 was worth it. I didn't watch much of the show when it was airing, but now I must buy them!

I'm glad quite a few guys here have read The Warrior Elite. I had randomly picked it off the shelf at Barnes & Nobles, and its one of the best books I've read. **** Couch's next book, which comes out next year, is about SEAL Tactical Training (STT); the next part of training before you become a SEAL. That will be a must buy. :)


Yea I'll definitely buy that. So the training after BUD/S is called SEAL Tactical Training? I thought it was SEAL Qualification Training, or SQT. I'll ask one of the operators and find out :]

[ChuckThunder]

I saw them there last week but didn't think the $80 was worth it. I didn't watch much of the show when it was airing, but now I must buy them!

I'm glad quite a few guys here have read The Warrior Elite. I had randomly picked it off the shelf at Barnes & Nobles, and its one of the best books I've read. **** Couch's next book, which comes out next year, is about SEAL Tactical Training (STT); the next part of training before you become a SEAL. That will be a must buy. :)


Yea I'll definitely buy that. So the training after BUD/S is called SEAL Tactical Training? I thought it was SEAL Qualification Training, or SQT. I'll ask one of the operators and find out :]

From what I understand it used to be called SQT but was changed to STT.

[Splinter26]

Yes you're correct Chuck, they did change it to STT. I'm wondering what the training is like after BUD/S.

[Jack Mehoff]

I can also further attest that it definately is a good book. I liked it so much I read it three times. At the end of BUD/S they had a competition of who could do the most what and here are the numbers incase you guys care:

Seaman Warren Conner - 230 pushups
LtJG Bill Gallagher - 158 situps
Ensign Jason Birch - 37 pullups
Seaman Larry Romero - 15:33 three mile run
Petty Officer John Collins - 12:00 1/2 mile swim

The book goes on to emphasize that this was while they were still in BUD/S and that their bodies have not been given time to recover and muscles rebuild. If they had been allowed a recovery period, the numbers would have been even higher.

230 push ups in 2 minutes??? :|

[Seoulstriker]

Petty Officer John Collins - 12:00 1/2 mile swim

800 meters in 12:00 is NOTHING!

i did 500 meters in 7:00.

[zerominusten]

That's like 2 pushups a second. How can you possibly go all the way down and up that fast? :o Actually in the documentary most of the time they weren't doing pushups properly anyways, probably because their arms were dead tired. It resembled more of a humping/bouncing motion.

[Splinter26]

Where does it say 2 minutes on there?

[ChuckThunder]

I just bought the 3 DVD set I'm going to watch it... now! Cya guys tomorrow. :D

[ChuckThunder]

That's like 2 pushups a second. How can you possibly go all the way down and up that fast? :o Actually in the documentary most of the time they weren't doing pushups properly anyways, probably because their arms were dead tired. It resembled more of a humping/bouncing motion.

If I remember correctly it was an after evolution contest, no time limit.

[Smoothie104]

Last week in Kona, Hawaii at the Ironman World Championships, the fastest split time for the 2.4 mile open water swim was 46:50 The Third guy out of the water out of 1649 athletes was a 47 year old guy from Montana, he swam a 47:41 The dude was a stud.

I was there to support my Friend Randy, but he only managed a 1:26:00 on the swim, did good on the 112 mile bike, and walked the last half of the marathon. He finished in 14 hours and 55 min. The Winning Pro did it in 8:22..... damn........


I believe the Airforce Team beat the other 3 Branches, and the oldest finisher to make the 17 hour cut off.... was 76..... yeah....76!

Me? I worked on my tan and tried to learn how to surf.

[MK133]

Thanks for the pics!

Anyone know what SQT on the limpet mine stands for? BTW, the black part of the limpet mine is styrofoam.

[96B]

When you are being punished in most military boot camps with pushups for the most part you dont do a complete "proper" pushup as to maintain speed but I feel very confident that an individual finishing up six months of BUD/S can do a hell of a lot of proper pushups maybe even 200+ in some cases.

[Haiw]

is it just me or does the situp number look rather low? just 158 :|

[Seoulstriker]

Thanks for the pics!

Anyone know what SQT on the limpet mine stands for? BTW, the black part of the limpet mine is styrofoam.

SEAL qualification training.


http://www.usna.edu/Training/probook/spring03/proman.pdf

[Splinter26]

Petty Officer John Collins - 12:00 1/2 mile swim

800 meters in 12:00 is NOTHING!

i did 500 meters in 7:00.


lol Seoul, because I ran 2 miles in 13 minutes, doesn't mean I'll run 4 miles in 26 minutes. Get the point? :]

[Seoulstriker]

Petty Officer John Collins - 12:00 1/2 mile swim

800 meters in 12:00 is NOTHING!

i did 500 meters in 7:00.


lol Seoul, because I ran 2 miles in 13 minutes, doesn't mean I'll run 4 miles in 26 minutes. Get the point? :]

well, i am accounting for the fatigue while swimming, but if i did 500 meters in 7:00, then i could do 250 more meters in 3:30. 250+500=750. 7:00 + 3:30= 10:30. add 50 more meters which is about 30 seconds, and you have around 11:00 - 12:00 for a 800 m swim. and this guy is a navy SEAL. :P

[Splinter26]

Petty Officer John Collins - 12:00 1/2 mile swim

800 meters in 12:00 is NOTHING!

i did 500 meters in 7:00.


lol Seoul, because I ran 2 miles in 13 minutes, doesn't mean I'll run 4 miles in 26 minutes. Get the point? :]

well, i am accounting for the fatigue while swimming, but if i did 500 meters in 7:00, then i could do 250 more meters in 3:30. 250+500=750. 7:00 + 3:30= 10:30. add 50 more meters which is about 30 seconds, and you have around 11:00 - 12:00 for a 800 m swim. and this guy is a navy SEAL. :P


lol You did a wrong calculation Seoul. Look at it this way, if I run 2 miles in 13 minutes, I for sure won't run 3rd mile in 6 min. and 30 seconds because I will be too tired already, and that goes the same for the 4th mile, so of course I won't run it in 6:30. So just because I can run a mile in 6:30, doesn't mean I'm going to add 2 miles (13minutes) + 1 mile (6:30) and it'll equal 3 miles (19:30). I'll probably run 3 miles in 23 minutes though, you understand what I'm saying now? Every 100 meters you get slower and slower so calculations like that doesn't work very well.

Anyway, I am not trying to prove here you can't do what you said you can, because you don't have to be a SEAL to swim good. There are a lot of people in the world that can probably run faster and longer, swim further, and jump higher then the SEALs, but it doesn't mean because of that they can be SEALs anyday. SEALs are made up of so much more then just their physical capabilities and endurance, that's why they are special.

[96B]

Seoul, it actually might have been an ocean swim and if that is the case, do you still feel so confident?

[Seoulstriker]

Petty Officer John Collins - 12:00 1/2 mile swim

800 meters in 12:00 is NOTHING!

i did 500 meters in 7:00.


lol Seoul, because I ran 2 miles in 13 minutes, doesn't mean I'll run 4 miles in 26 minutes. Get the point? :]

well, i am accounting for the fatigue while swimming, but if i did 500 meters in 7:00, then i could do 250 more meters in 3:30. 250+500=750. 7:00 + 3:30= 10:30. add 50 more meters which is about 30 seconds, and you have around 11:00 - 12:00 for a 800 m swim. and this guy is a navy SEAL. :P


lol You did a wrong calculation Seoul. Look at it this way, if I run 2 miles in 13 minutes, I for sure won't run 3rd mile in 6 min. and 30 seconds because I will be too tired already, and that goes the same for the 4th mile, so of course I won't run it in 6:30. So just because I can run a mile in 6:30, doesn't mean I'm going to add 2 miles (13minutes) + 1 mile (6:30) and it'll equal 3 miles (19:30). I'll probably run 3 miles in 23 minutes though, you understand what I'm saying now? Every 100 meters you get slower and slower so calculations like that doesn't work very well.

Anyway, I am not trying to prove here you can't do what you said you can, because you don't have to be a SEAL to swim good. There are a lot of people in the world that can probably run faster and longer, swim further, and jump higher then the SEALs, but it doesn't mean because of that they can be SEALs anyday. SEALs are made up of so much more then just their physical capabilities and endurance, that's why they are special.

yes, i understand that for every 100 meters added, you get more fatigued and thus swim/run slower and slower.

but I can do 500m in 7:00. i can thus swim 250m averaging 3:30. 3 * 3:30 = 10:30. 3 * 250 = 750m. so if i can swim 750m in approximately 10:30 - 11:00 (the added 30 seconds for fatigue), then i could probably swim the additional 50m (750 + 50 = 800m) in 30s - 1:00. thus, i would be able to get 800m in 12:00 just like the SEAL. ;)

[Seoulstriker]

Seoul, it actually might have been an ocean swim and if that is the case, do you still feel so confident?

hehehehe. noooo. there are advantages to swimming in the ocean and in a pool.

in a pool, you don't have to worry about currents or waves, but your breathing and pace is interrupted every 50 (or 25m :P ) to flip and go the other way.

in open water, you don't have to flip every 50 (or 25m) and you can breath much more easily and pace yourself accordingly.

trust me, the hardest part about doing long distances in a pool is the breathing. but i have only swam in the open waters a few times.

[Splinter26]

Seoul I would never disagree with you saying you can swim for that distance just like a SEAL, like I said there are lots of people in the world who can do it and they are not SEALs.

[Seoulstriker]

Seoul I would never disagree with you saying you can swim for that distance just like a SEAL, like I said there are lots of people in the world who can do it and they are not SEALs.


what i'm saying is that 12:00 for an 800m swim (oh wait... was it freestyle or something else (like the full-body gear water crawl), hmmmm) is not a very good time for the fastest SEAL swimmer (is that what the stat comes from anyway?).

what i was trying to say was if I can do a 12:00 800m swim, then that SEAL swimmer wasn't very good (i am not the greatest swimmer, and I am hardly SEAL material). :hug:

[96B]

Whatever you say your physical abilities are, I take your word for it and I do not doubt that you are in good shape. You are not a SEAL until you have finished BUD/S and completed the 6 month probation period when you are assigned to a team and earn your Trident. These scores are amongst BUD/S graduates, and those scores are supposed to represent the best amongst the class and I HIGHLY doubt that the very best swimmer amonst a class that just graduated BUD/S is anything short of an outstanding swimmer. The fact that the 800m swim time does not seem too impressive for an individual such as that implies to me that there is something extra hard about it (combat gear, boots and utes, ocean swim etc etc). Also, all of these events were no doubt done back to back with no break as well and the numbers are still pretty high. 150+ full situps is HARD, and I can do about 100 crunches but only about 40 full proper situps (been slack lately but still).

[Seoulstriker]

Whatever you say your physical abilities are, I take your word for it and I do not doubt that you are in good shape. You are not a SEAL until you have finished BUD/S and completed the 6 month probation period when you are assigned to a team and earn your Trident. These scores are amongst BUD/S graduates, and those scores are supposed to represent the best amongst the class and I HIGHLY doubt that the very best swimmer amonst a class that just graduated BUD/S is anything short of an outstanding swimmer. The fact that the 800m swim time does not seem too impressive for an individual such as that implies to me that there is something extra hard about it (combat gear, boots and utes, ocean swim etc etc). Also, all of these events were no doubt done back to back with no break as well and the numbers are still pretty high. 150+ full situps is HARD, and I can do about 100 crunches but only about 40 full proper situps (been slack lately but still).

yeah, absolutely. i have a feeling it is with combat gear and not with a streamlined speedo (which is how i swim). and i bet their runs are with combat boots and fatigues, not gym shoes, shorts and singlet (which is how i run in competition).

yeah, they also probably were doing these things right after some really tough physical exercises, not like when i taper the exercise for a week before major competition. :) :hug:

[kyote]

maybe the SEAL did it in the ocean against a 2 knot current?

[Haiw]

common...every morron can do a 150+ situps with some exercise...i mean, even i don't have any problems at all with 250 and i aint no superduper hotshot commando

[Seoulstriker]

maybe the SEAL did it in the ocean against a 2 knot current?

with combat equipment. we only know the time and the distance. we don't even know which swimming style they swam it in. if they did it by backstroke or sideways crawl or breaststroke, then the guy's time would be really incredible.

[96B]

Can you do 250 in 2 minutes? Thats the time limit...

[Jack Mehoff]

common...every morron can do a 150+ situps with some exercise...i mean, even i don't have any problems at all with 250 and i aint no superduper hotshot commando

Can you do 250 sit ups in how many minutes?? There's alway a time limit in push ups, sit ups, pull ups in military APFT

[Trident-za]

Navy SEALs are not "allowed" to swim freestyle..... they use a different technique (can't remember name offhand) where the arms/hands do not break the surface of the water. To do with stealth, partially, but mostly to do with endurance, as I understand it.... so the swim time would have been in the ocean, not using freestyle.

The situps and pressups are completed in 2 minutes, as mentioned by others above. Trust me, 150 odd situps in two minutes is staggering..... almost 1.5 situps per second for a full 2 minutes.

[Haiw]

Can you do 250 sit ups in how many minutes?? There's alway a time limit in push ups, sit ups, pull ups in military APFT
i never timed 250, but my regular run is 222 in 4:45.... (i never timed 250, but it aint much more...so i suppose 30 more shud be around 5:30)

but...err...230 pushups in 2 minutes...158 situps in 2 minutes??!! how the **** is that possible, i mean...even mechanically it wud seem impossible to me :|

[Splinter26]

Seoul I would never disagree with you saying you can swim for that distance just like a SEAL, like I said there are lots of people in the world who can do it and they are not SEALs.


what i'm saying is that 12:00 for an 800m swim (oh wait... was it freestyle or something else (like the full-body gear water crawl), hmmmm) is not a very good time for the fastest SEAL swimmer (is that what the stat comes from anyway?).

what i was trying to say was if I can do a 12:00 800m swim, then that SEAL swimmer wasn't very good (i am not the greatest swimmer, and I am hardly SEAL material). :hug:

Don't be silly now there buddy, whoever that guy is he graduated BUD/S, and that tells me he's more then a great swimmer.

[kyote]

maybe the SEAL did it in the ocean against a 2 knot current?

with combat equipment. we only know the time and the distance. we don't even know which swimming style they swam it in. if they did it by backstroke or sideways crawl or breaststroke, then the guy's time would be really incredible.

Hey! I wasnt the one who brought up my swim times :roll: With your times you should go to BUD/S.. the Navy always needs hull scrubbers that swim like fish ;)

[Seoulstriker]

maybe the SEAL did it in the ocean against a 2 knot current?

with combat equipment. we only know the time and the distance. we don't even know which swimming style they swam it in. if they did it by backstroke or sideways crawl or breaststroke, then the guy's time would be really incredible.

Hey! I wasnt the one who brought up my swim times :roll: With your times you should go to BUD/S.. the Navy always needs hull scrubbers that swim like fish ;)

dude. it was explained above that the stroke they use forces them to stay underwater while not breaking the surface of the water with the arms.

[Seoulstriker]

Seoul I would never disagree with you saying you can swim for that distance just like a SEAL, like I said there are lots of people in the world who can do it and they are not SEALs.


what i'm saying is that 12:00 for an 800m swim (oh wait... was it freestyle or something else (like the full-body gear water crawl), hmmmm) is not a very good time for the fastest SEAL swimmer (is that what the stat comes from anyway?).

what i was trying to say was if I can do a 12:00 800m swim, then that SEAL swimmer wasn't very good (i am not the greatest swimmer, and I am hardly SEAL material). :hug:

Don't be silly now there buddy, whoever that guy is he graduated BUD/S, and that tells me he's more then a great swimmer.

yes, i know he is a great swimmer because i can only do 12:00 800m while doing freestyle. apparently, these SEAL guys do a sideways crawl which is much slower than freestyle.

[Splinter26]

So in one word, they are BADASS lol

PS

You guys want to see some pictures of BUD/S trainees swimming in Coronado Bay? I'll try to post them tomorrow.

[Trident-za]

So in one word, they are BADASS lol



A point to remember: SF units are not about how many pushups you can do or how fast you can run/swim. Impressive though the above scores are, I'm sure there are thousands of civilians (professional athletes, for example) who are equally fit. And many of the people who quit SF training are physically fitter than those that stay....

It's not how well you perform while you are rested and fed that counts - it's how well you perform when you've gone 3 or 4 days without food and sleep, or after a few days of combat. THAT is what makes SF badass - mental attitude and strength. I'm sure the BTDTs on this forum would agree....

[Splinter26]

Trident, I don't mean to sound sarcastic but who are you to tell me what makes SF badass and what doesn't? Apart from mental attitude and strength, I think SF are badass because they can perform so well in physical activities rested or not, and in my opinion anyone who can perform like them is a badass . And that is my personal opinion buddy, and opinions are never wrong, that's why they are opinions, so don't lecture me. For one person a fighter pilot will be a badass because he can fly so high up and not be scared, for another it will be the ability of flying the plane itself. There is no definition for "badass", the only definition is the definition that individuals made up for themselves.

[Trident-za]

Wow - short fuse, huh? Sorry if I offended you, wasn't my intention at all...... you are welcome to your opinions mate. My opinion is as stated above....

[Splinter26]

You didn't offend me at all Trident, and the fuse wasn't even lit yet my friend. If you're stating your opinions, then don't quote me next time.

[Trigger]

Trident-za wrote:

Navy SEALs are not "allowed" to swim freestyle..... they use a different technique (can't remember name offhand) where the arms/hands do not break the surface of the water.
I think it's called a 'sidestroke'. If I remember correctly you are roughly perpendicular to the surface, and your 'down' arm does most of the work. It does allow you to stay very low in the water.
Someone please correct me if this is wrong.

[Seoulstriker]

Trident-za wrote:

Navy SEALs are not "allowed" to swim freestyle..... they use a different technique (can't remember name offhand) where the arms/hands do not break the surface of the water.
I think it's called a 'sidestroke'. If I remember correctly you are roughly perpendicular to the surface, and your 'down' arm does most of the work. It does allow you to stay very low in the water.
Someone please correct me if this is wrong.

i think you're right. i remember watching a re-enactment of the SEALs at a beach off of Iraq during the Gulf War. only their heads were above water and there was practically no ripple in the water. very stealthy.

i have done this stroke on my high school swimming team. when you do it enough it feels like your humerus is about to dislocate from the clavicle. ouch!

[charliebravo]

Seaman Warren Conner was taking the SEAL PRT (Physical Readiness Test), not the Navy PFT. The SEAL PRT has a 3 minute time limit on the pushups and situps, unlike the Navy PFT which has a 2 minute limit.[/quote]