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10-25-2003, 11:23 AM
(CNN) -- A U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter went down east of Tikrit on Saturday evening, and the crew was fired on by attackers with rocket propelled grenades once it was on the ground, a coalition military spokesman said.

Five people were injured and evacuated safely, the spokesman said, adding that he did not know the severity of the injuries. It was not immediately known whether the troops were hurt when the helicopter went down, or in the grenade attack, he said.

The helicopter went down "due to reasons presently unknown," the spokesman said.

Earlier, three U.S. soldiers were wounded in Baghdad by an explosion that Army experts believe was caused by a mortar round. None of the wounds appeared to be life-threatening, the spokesman said.

Elsewhere in the city, coalition forces reopened a major bridge across the Tigris River to commercial traffic for the first time since the fall of Baghdad.

The bridge is one of the main routes linking the east and west sections of the city. Coalition forces closed it because they were concerned that it could be used to stage attacks on U.S. troops based nearby at Saddam Hussein's former palace.

The closed bridge caused traffic jams as vehicles had to drive around the city to get across the river.

Coalition authorities also plan to lift the curfew on the city overnight.

Meanwhile, near Tikrit, a U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter went down east of the city, according to Lt. Col. Troy Smith, who said there was "one routine wounded."

The Army would not confirm or deny reports that the helicopter had been hit by gunfire from the ground.

On Friday, three U.S. soldiers were killed in separate attacks in northern Iraq, U.S. military officials said.

Attackers fired two mortar rounds into a forward operating base for the 4th Infantry Division near Samarra, Maj. Josslyn Aberle said. Two soldiers were killed and four wounded, she said. Samarra is about 60 miles (96 kilometers) north of Baghdad.

The surviving soldiers have shrapnel wounds, Aberle said.

A quick reaction force set out after the attack and found a piece of the mortar but no sign of the attackers, she said.

In western Mosul, a soldier with the 101st Airborne Division was killed Friday in a small-arms attack, according to U.S. Central Command.

With the latest deaths, 347 U.S. troops have been killed since the Iraq war began in March, including 223 in hostile fire. President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1.

There is no reliable source for Iraqi civilian or combatant casualty figures, either during the period of major combat or after May 1. The Associated Press reported an estimated 3,240 civilian Iraqi deaths between March 20 and April 20, but the AP said that the figure was based on records of only half of Iraq's hospitals and the actual number was thought to be significantly higher.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/10/25/sprj.irq.main/index.html

Fioraon
10-25-2003, 11:30 AM
Well if the knot is getting lose things cant be going bad.

Seraphim
10-25-2003, 12:25 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=3&u=/ap/20031025/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_helicopter

He219 got the pics up on his daily thread.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031025/capt.xias10610251417.iraq_xias106.jpg


A U.S. Apache gunship flies over a burning Black Hawk helicopter, right, in Tikrit, 193 km (120 miles) north of Baghdad, Iraq (news - web sites), Saturday, Oct. 25, 2003. The U.S. Army helicopter was shot down Saturday by ground fire near Tikrit, a center of Iraq's anti-U.S. insurgency, witnesses said. One person was reported injured. (AP Photo/Ivan Sekretarev)


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By KATARINA KRATOVAC, Associated Press Writer

TIKRIT, Iraq - A U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter was shot down Saturday by ground fire near Tikrit, a center of Iraq (news - web sites)'s anti-U.S. insurgency, U.S. officials said. The U.S. command in Baghdad said five soldiers were injured.


Two helicopters were flying when the second one in the formation was hit by a projectile, believed to be a rocket propelled grenade, witnesses said. An AP reporter at a U.S. base several hundred yards away saw the striken aircraft spin out of control in the air then fall to the ground.


The downed craft could later be seen, engulfed in flames and lying amid brush in a field as a plume of thick black smoke rose into the sky. The second copter hovered overhead.


It was the second time a U.S. helicopter has been downed by hostile fire since President Bush (news - web sites) declared an end to major combat in Iraq on May 1. The last copter to be shot down was in June.


"A helicopter did go down," Capt. Jefferson Wolfe, a spokesman for the 4th Infantry Division, said. "We can confirm it. It was a Black Hawk. We are investigating."


In Baghdad, the U.S. military command said the five people on board were injured but were "safely evacuated." The command did not say why the helicopter went down but added that after it crashed it received ground fire.


An injured person was seen being removed from the site on a stretcher. Black Hawks ordinarily have a crew of three and can carry an additional 11 passengers.


The downing came at a time when U.S. officials have been warning that thousands of shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles remain unaccounted for after the fall of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s regime and pose a threat to U.S. military aircraft. RPGs, also fired with a shoulder device, are a weapon frequently used by insurgents for ambushes on American forces.


Tikrit, the hometown of ousted leader Saddam Hussein, lies in the heart of the "Sunni Triangle," the region of central Iraq north of Baghdad that has seen mutliple attacks every day against U.S. forces. The region is where Saddam drew his strongest support, and his loyalists are now believed to be leading resistance to the U.S.-led occupation.


Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, on a three-day tour of Iraq, was in Tikrit earlier Saturday visiting the main U.S. garrison there. He left the city hours before the helicopter was shot down and was in the northern city of Kirkuk, U.S. officials said.


On June 12, a U.S. Army Apache attack helicopter was shot down by hostile fire in western Iraq. The craft's two crewmembers were rescued unhurt.


In May, two helicopters were involved in fatal accidental crashes. On May 20, four U.S. Marines on a resupply mission were killed when their Ch-46 Sea-Knight transport helicopter crashed into the Shat al-Hillah Canal in Hillah, about 60 miles south of Baghdad. A fifth Marine drowned trying to save them.


On May 9, three American soldiers were killed and a fourth injured when their Black Hawk helicopter crashed in the Tigris River not far from the northern city of Tikrit during the rescue of an Iraqi child wounded in an explosion.

NcDeuce
10-25-2003, 12:35 PM
Good job by the crew of that UH-60 to come out alive.

Vance
10-25-2003, 12:35 PM
At least they all got out without any deaths..

NcDeuce
10-25-2003, 04:07 PM
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/WORLD/meast/10/25/sprj.irq.main/story.helicopter.jpg
Black Hawk Down in Tikrit, some of crew is hurt but no one dies. Good to hear.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/105246/2_21_300_iraq_detail.jpg
Little northwest of Baghdad

http://www.foxnews.com/images/105903/7_22_102503_iraq_helicopter1.jpg
Iraqis know not to mess w/ this baby.

Vance
10-25-2003, 04:09 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/images/105903/7_22_102503_iraq_helicopter1.jpg
Insurgents know not to mess w/ this baby.
Your damn right.

Argyll
10-25-2003, 04:18 PM
really,is that why they managed to ground a whole lot of them during the ground offensive,by causing so much small arms damage to them!!!!!

Over 10 helos' or something like that?

NcDeuce
10-25-2003, 04:32 PM
The U.S. and U.K. Army grounded its Apache attack helicopters as a precaution after a June 11 incident in which the tail rotor assembly on an Apache flown by an Israeli army pilot fell off in flight.

Apaches ruled the skies in Afghanistan and once again in Iraq.

He219
10-25-2003, 04:41 PM
really,is that why they managed to ground a whole lot of them during the ground offensive,by causing so much small arms damage to them!!!!!

Over 10 helos' or something like that?

Is AA (http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/default.asp?target=apache1.htm) considered small arms fire?
http://www.webmutants.com/strategypage/apache6.jpg

The Army used the wrong tactics in Abu Mustafe.

Read more in Jane's (http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/news/jir/jir030626_1_n.shtml) analysis.

:P



So what took down the Blackhawk; a lucky RPG shot while it was on the move or an SA-7? We'll find out eventually... I'm glad they all made it out!

:D

usa320
10-25-2003, 07:58 PM
Sounds like an RPG.

As for Apaches, i believe 2 were shot down durring OIF.

One took an RPG and crash landed near allied ground forces- both crew were Ok and the bird was repaired.

The other one is the one we saw all those photos of.

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10-25-2003, 08:13 PM
wow i bet they were ****ting bricks while going down there...good job making it all out alive woot