Christians issue gay warning on SpongeBob video

[Secret Squirrel]

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Conservative Christian groups accuse the makers of a video starring SpongeBob SquarePants, Barney and a host of other cartoon characters of promoting homo******ity to children.

The wacky square yellow SpongeBob is one of the stars of a music video due to be sent to 61,000 U.S. schools in March. The makers -- the nonprofit We Are Family Foundation -- say the video is designed to encourage tolerance and diversity.

But at least two Christian activist groups say the innocent cartoon characters are being exploited to promote the acceptance of homo******ity.

"A short step beneath the surface reveals that one of the differences being celebrated is homo******ity," wrote Ed Vitagliano in an article for the American Family Association.

The video is a remake of the 1979 hit song "We Are Family" using the voices and images of SpongeBob, Barney, Winnie the Pooh, Bob the Builder, the Rugrats and other TV cartoon characters. It was made by a foundation set up by songwriter Nile Rodgers after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, in an effort to promote healing.

Christian groups however have taken exception to the tolerance pledge on the foundation's Web site, which asks people to respect the ****** identity of others along with their abilities, beliefs, culture and race.

"Their inclusion of the reference to '****** identity" within their 'tolerance pledge' is not only unnecessary, but it crosses a moral line," James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, said in a statement released Thursday.

Rodgers said he was astounded by the attack.

"That is so myopic and harsh," he told *******. "You have really got to look hard to find anything in this that is offensive to anyone. The last thing I am going to do is taint these characters."

Dobson was quoted by the New York Times on Thursday as having singled out the wildly popular SpongeBob during remarks about the video at dinner this week in Washington, D.C.

SpongeBob, who lives in a pineapple under the sea, was "outed" by the U.S. media in 2002 after reports that the TV show and its merchandise are popular with gays. His creator, Stephen Hillenburg, said at the time that though SpongeBob was an oddball, he thought of all the characters in the show as a******.

It is not the first time that children's TV favorites have come under the critical spotlight of the Christian right. In 1999, the Rev. Jerry Falwell described Tinky Winky, the purse-toting purple Teletubbie, as a gay role model.

link (http://edition.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/TV/01/20/sponge.bob.reut/index.html)

[Redux]

someone should e-mail those activist groups the LOTR short films, especially the merry and pippen bar talk.

[Viktorin]

This is why I hate Bible thumping RIGHT wingers. :roll: They gotta ruin EVERYTHING a F'ing world has to offer.

[drGreen]

why am I not surprised it's an american group... :cantbeli:

[beNder]

why am I not surprised it's an american group... :cantbeli:
yeah, america must be destroyed...

[drGreen]

NÀÀH

[Rantanplan]

why am I not surprised it's an american group... :cantbeli:
yeah, america must be destroyed...

x2

p-) ;)

[CZ]

Christian groups however have taken exception to the tolerance pledge on the foundation's Web site, which asks people to respect the ****** identity of others along with their abilities, beliefs, culture and race.


So, according to this "Conservative Christian" group, it's okay to respect the handicapped, to respect other religious beliefs (which, by the way would include the extremists among these other religions), as well as other cultures and races, but it's not okay to respect other people's ****** identities?

I wonder if they would give me a list of names of all the priests that have been involved in child molestation and ****** harrassment suits that have been settled out of court (and with non-disclosure agreements) that are still practicing?

[California Joe]

Just a bunch of people with way too much time on their hands that haven't discovered a way wicked cool forum like this to hang out in.

They could devote all that time and effort to helping tsunami victims but that actually might be worthwhile.

[Haiw]

How about they just suck on eachothers cocks, shut the **** up and maybe try to come up with something that isn't so retarded it makes some of the insanest rants on this forum look like brilliant rocket science. :roll:

[Onyks]

Heard this morning with the guy behind "We Are Family" that the Christian group went to a wrong website, of the same name but a group that was very pro gay and lesbian and therefore thought the video was made by them. I don't know what the true story is, but it is just nonsense.

[cut]

Heard this morning with the guy behind "We Are Family" that the Christian group went to a wrong website, of the same name but a group that was very pro gay and lesbian and therefore thought the video was made by them. I don't know what the true story is, but it is just nonsense.

this dumbass christian group, probably thought it was this site then

www.waf.org rather than this one; www.wearefamilyfoundation.org

[Scottie]

why am I not surprised it's an american group... :cantbeli:
yeah, america must be destroyed...

x2

p-) ;)

Ditto :roll:

nd yeh x3

[Trigger]

Awesome.

People aren't allowed to disagree with homo******ity.

What an enlightened bunch you are. :roll:

[Rantanplan]

Awesome.

People aren't allowed to disagree with homo******ity.

What an enlightened bunch you are. :roll:

And how enlightened is it to think Spongebob is gay?

Utter Bull****

[Trigger]

Awesome.

People aren't allowed to disagree with homo******ity.

What an enlightened bunch you are. :roll:

And how enlightened is it to think Spongebob is gay?

Utter Bull****
It doesn't matter, they are being ridiculed for having an opinion which differs from others.
If I personally dislike pancakes, but other people love them, does that make me wrong?

[HooyahCQB]

I don't like pancakes either.

[Initiative]

It's quite simple, we Christians worship God and God is opposed to the act of being gay. If you label us radical or extremist for following our religion then you are intolerant.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Awesome.

People aren't allowed to disagree with homo******ity.

What an enlightened bunch you are. :roll:

And how enlightened is it to think Spongebob is gay?

Utter Bull****
It doesn't matter, they are being ridiculed for having an opinion which differs from others.
If I personally dislike pancakes, but other people love them, does that make me wrong?

You insensitive pancake hater. Who are you to disagree with the lifestyle choices of pancakes. What would Ms. Butterworth think?

In all honesty though...I think this kind of thing does more harm than good. I mean come on...Spongebob? Just because some gay group adopts him as some unofficial mascot - what can be done about that? I don't recall him being serviced by Patrick, or going down on Squidward. If this group wanted to condemn the whole concept of embracing all possible lifestyles that's one thing...but to single out poor Spongebob is just stupid.

If you want gay cartoon characters, may I introduce you to Snagglepuss, Thelma (from Scoobydoo), Huckleberry Hound, or Droopy. Those fvckers are fvcin' gay. I also had my doubts about Tennessee Tuxedo.

[Haiw]

Awesome.

People aren't allowed to disagree with homo******ity.

What an enlightened bunch you are. :roll:
Yes, I think it is VERY enlightened to disallow agreeing with middle age perceptions. Some people still agree with middle age visions that women should still be locked up in the kitchen and be a household-slave, and they're being ripped apart as well. Same thing here.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Awesome.

People aren't allowed to disagree with homo******ity.

What an enlightened bunch you are. :roll:
Yes, I think it is VERY enlightened to disallow agreeing with middle age perceptions. Some people still agree with middle age visions that women should still be locked up in the kitchen and be a household-slave, and they're being ripped apart as well. Same thing here.

Very good, now we're getting somewhere. Has anybody got their copy of Government Approved Beliefs, 2005 handy? I'll just check to see if my thoughts are state approved.

[Haiw]

Awesome.

People aren't allowed to disagree with homo******ity.

What an enlightened bunch you are. :roll:
Yes, I think it is VERY enlightened to disallow agreeing with middle age perceptions. Some people still agree with middle age visions that women should still be locked up in the kitchen and be a household-slave, and they're being ripped apart as well. Same thing here.

Very good, now we're getting somewhere. Has anybody got their copy of Government Approved Beliefs, 2005 handy? I'll just check to see if my thoughts are state approved.
It's right there on the list, next to the racial tolerance and skin colour tolerance. :roll:

[Eat a bullet]

Gay sponges? That's nothing... you should try and battle gay droids
http://img112.exs.cx/img112/5690/droid6cd.th.jpg (http://img112.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img112&image=droid6cd.jpg)

[Fee Fi Fo Fum]

Gay sponges? That's nothing... you should try and battle gay droids
http://img112.exs.cx/img112/5690/droid6cd.th.jpg (http://img112.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img112&image=droid6cd.jpg)

WTF

[Eat a bullet]

Gay sponges? That's nothing... you should try and battle gay droids
http://img112.exs.cx/img112/5690/droid6cd.th.jpg (http://img112.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img112&image=droid6cd.jpg)

WTF
I don't know...

they like to get grabby

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Awesome.

People aren't allowed to disagree with homo******ity.

What an enlightened bunch you are. :roll:
Yes, I think it is VERY enlightened to disallow agreeing with middle age perceptions. Some people still agree with middle age visions that women should still be locked up in the kitchen and be a household-slave, and they're being ripped apart as well. Same thing here.

Very good, now we're getting somewhere. Has anybody got their copy of Government Approved Beliefs, 2005 handy? I'll just check to see if my thoughts are state approved.
It's right there on the list, next to the racial tolerance and skin colour tolerance. :roll:

Oh, yep you're right - I see it now. Right between the "Dr. Pepper tastes great" and "having *** with children is fine, as long as the kids enjoy it". OMFG, that's total bullsh*t. Dr. Pepper tastes like crap!

[Trigger]

Awesome.

People aren't allowed to disagree with homo******ity.

What an enlightened bunch you are. :roll:
Yes, I think it is VERY enlightened to disallow agreeing with middle age perceptions. Some people still agree with middle age visions that women should still be locked up in the kitchen and be a household-slave, and they're being ripped apart as well. Same thing here.
Say what?
We're talking about people's opinion on homo******ity and whether they want their children exposed to it.
Perhaps you're trying to make some kind of leap from that to women's suffrage, but I'm not sure.
Now, allow me to enlighten you: The notion that women should be kept 'barefoot and pregnant' went away over 50 years ago. Unless you were referring to the Islamic world.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

I have an idea. Maybe schools should stick to teaching math, language, history, science etc, and stay out of "teaching lifestyle choices" "tolerance" "diversity" etc. Maybe that amounts to the state preaching it's particular approved gospel. I seem to remember the dinner table being used to teach such things.

[Trigger]

I have an idea. Maybe schools should stick to teaching math, language, history, science etc, and stay out of "teaching lifestyle choices" "tolerance" "diversity" etc. Maybe that amounts to the state preaching it's particular approved gospel. I seem to remember the dinner table being used to teach such things.
Works for me.
...but what if the Dutch are offended by this? :lol:

[achilles]

I have an idea. Maybe schools should stick to teaching math, language, history, science etc, and stay out of "teaching lifestyle choices" "tolerance" "diversity" etc. Maybe that amounts to the state preaching it's particular approved gospel. I seem to remember the dinner table being used to teach such things.
Works for me.
...but what if the Dutch are offended by this? :lol:

First its the Greeks now the Dutch. I am still trying to understand why you are being so much annoyed by foreigners criticizing American domestic issues. Feel free to bash Europe or hey...even Greece...i would LOVE to talk about it, seriously.

I generally agree with Haiw-the-highjacker on this one p-) . Yet, its not a good idea to say that people's thoughts should be controlled or 'state approved' or whatever. Its just somewhat alarming, to say the least, that people are still so anti-gay or so anti-cartoon and to put it succinctly...so middle-ages. Its somewhat contradictory to be so damn pissed with Islamic fundamentalism and its attitude towards women (for example) while we have similar mentalities (though more elegantly projected) in our 'western' neighborhood.

I am equally annoyed by those freaks that are bitching about the Athens 2004 Olympic ceremony, Spongebob as well as Greek Orthdox radical elements that are constantly whinning about TV serials showing couples kissing for more than 10 seconds for gods sake.

And 2Sheds...i dont really see the problem with schools complementing the role of families in teaching and preaching 'social' issues. If schools start sticking too much to math and science then they will have lost their role.

[usm2b]

why am I not surprised it's an american group... :cantbeli:
yeah, america must be destroyed...

x2

p-) ;)

Ditto :roll:

nd yeh x3

AhhhRIGHT WHo wants a hellacious ass-whipping????
:backhand: :backhand: :slap: :slap: :bash: :fork: :bash: :backhand: :slap: and in for the :-*$

[Haiw]

Say what?
We're talking about people's opinion on homo******ity and whether they want their children exposed to it.
That's exactely the problem. People treating homo******ity as if it's a horrible disease. People still trying to ban away homo******ity and homo******s out of society.


Perhaps you're trying to make some kind of leap from that to women's suffrage, but I'm not sure.
Yup. 50 years ago there were people calling out for women to be really treated equally, and there were those that kept on hanging on to their beliefs of unfair treatment. Now 50 years later we can look upon the last group as middle-age-moral backwards people. Guess what the homophobes might be looked on in 50 years? ;)


Now, allow me to enlighten you: The notion that women should be kept 'barefoot and pregnant' went away over 50 years ago. Unless you were referring to the Islamic world.
Funny. 'The barbaric Islamic world'. You share their view of homo******s. :P


I have an idea. Maybe schools should stick to teaching math, language, history, science etc, and stay out of "teaching lifestyle choices" "tolerance" "diversity" etc. Maybe that amounts to the state preaching it's particular approved gospel. I seem to remember the dinner table being used to teach such things.
And apparently a lot of dinner tables aren't used for that at all, or how would you explain the homophobia that is still everywhere in a lot of places in the US?

[Stavka]

This thread has been a bit of a surprise.

I never expected something like the spanish inquisition...







(You know what to do ;))

[Viktorin]

It's quite simple, we Christians worship God and God is opposed to the act of being gay. If you label us radical or extremist for following our religion then you are intolerant.


OK hypocrite, then explain why Christians and Catholics have recently elected a lot of GAY priests to serve in the churches when they are TOTALLY against Homo******ity. :roll: :roll:

Get a life.

[Trigger]

I have an idea. Maybe schools should stick to teaching math, language, history, science etc, and stay out of "teaching lifestyle choices" "tolerance" "diversity" etc. Maybe that amounts to the state preaching it's particular approved gospel. I seem to remember the dinner table being used to teach such things.
Works for me.
...but what if the Dutch are offended by this? :lol:

First its the Greeks now the Dutch. I am still trying to understand why you are being so much annoyed by foreigners criticizing American domestic issues.
I don't know why foreigners continue to annoy me either. I wish I lived in a perfect country like they do. I could spend my days looking for other people's faults to point out. <sigh> :lol:

Feel free to bash Europe or hey...even Greece...i would LOVE to talk about it, seriously.
Why would I bash people for no reason? I could care less about the cartoons they watch or the brand of lube they recommend for their kids.:lol:


I generally agree with Haiw-the-highjacker on this one p-) . Yet, its not a good idea to say that people's thoughts should be controlled or 'state approved' or whatever. Its just somewhat alarming, to say the least, that people are still so anti-gay or so anti-cartoon and to put it succinctly...so middle-ages. Its somewhat contradictory to be so damn pissed with Islamic fundamentalism and its attitude towards women (for example) while we have similar mentalities (though more elegantly projected) in our 'western' neighborhood.
Whoa pardner! Your comparison of some people's desire to not expose their kids to what they AS PARENTS consider questionable, to Islamic fundamentalism is laughably unbalanced.


I am equally annoyed by those freaks that are bitching about the Athens 2004 Olympic ceremony, Spongebob as well as Greek Orthdox radical elements that are constantly whinning about TV serials showing couples kissing for more than 10 seconds for gods sake.
That's fair.

[Trigger]

It's quite simple, we Christians worship God and God is opposed to the act of being gay. If you label us radical or extremist for following our religion then you are intolerant.


OK hypocrite, then explain why Christians and Catholics have recently elected a lot of GAY priests to serve in the churches when they are TOTALLY against Homo******ity. :roll: :roll:

Get a life.
Viktorin, with all due respect, you're out of your depth and you're being an ass.

[Viktorin]

It's quite simple, we Christians worship God and God is opposed to the act of being gay. If you label us radical or extremist for following our religion then you are intolerant.


OK hypocrite, then explain why Christians and Catholics have recently elected a lot of GAY priests to serve in the churches when they are TOTALLY against Homo******ity. :roll: :roll:

Get a life.
Viktorin, with all due respect, you're out of your depth and you're being an ass.

Only stating the obvious sir.

[achilles]

This thread has been a bit of a surprise.

I never expected something like the spanish inquisition...







(You know what to do ;))

All i can do is prepare my soul to burn in hell...one way to avoid it is to start whipping myself without mercy on a regular basis.

[Zoomie]

It's quite simple, we Christians worship God and God is opposed to the act of being gay. If you label us radical or extremist for following our religion then you are intolerant.


OK hypocrite, then explain why Christians and Catholics have recently elected a lot of GAY priests to serve in the churches when they are TOTALLY against Homo******ity. :roll: :roll:

Get a life.

Hmmmm.......I don't recall all Christian Denominations approving of gay pastors/priests to serve in churches, perhaps you should stop implying that. Hey, America has freedom of speech! So tough! Deal with what they say, it's their opinion, not yours.

[Trigger]

Say what?
We're talking about people's opinion on homo******ity and whether they want their children exposed to it.
That's exactely the problem. People treating homo******ity as if it's a horrible disease. People still trying to ban away homo******ity and homo******s out of society. People voicing their opinion on what their kids watch is not a problem. Keep the facts straight if you wish to be taken seriously.


Perhaps you're trying to make some kind of leap from that to women's suffrage, but I'm not sure.
Yup. 50 years ago there were people calling out for women to be really treated equally, and there were those that kept on hanging on to their beliefs of unfair treatment. Now 50 years later we can look upon the last group as middle-age-moral backwards people. Guess what the homophobes might be looked on in 50 years? ;) They will be viewed as people with their own legitimate opinions. Don't like it? Too bad. Everyone has the right to say and think what they want remember?


Now, allow me to enlighten you: The notion that women should be kept 'barefoot and pregnant' went away over 50 years ago. Unless you were referring to the Islamic world.
Funny. 'The barbaric Islamic world'. You share their view of homo******s. :P Wrong. Show me an example of 'me' advocating the execution of homo******s. Again, keep the facts straight. If you can't, then quit while you're behind.


I have an idea. Maybe schools should stick to teaching math, language, history, science etc, and stay out of "teaching lifestyle choices" "tolerance" "diversity" etc. Maybe that amounts to the state preaching it's particular approved gospel. I seem to remember the dinner table being used to teach such things.
And apparently a lot of dinner tables aren't used for that at all, or how would you explain the homophobia that is still everywhere in a lot of places in the US? Allow me to butt in. No one has to explain anything. I think the term 'homophobia' is mis-used. Phobia indicates fear. I don't think people are scared of homo******ity. I think they are repulsed and disgusted by it. Post all the scientific mumbo-jumbo you want, you'll never convince me that it's natural or acceptable. Don't like it? Tough. And since this discussion focuses on the U.S., your opinions on this particular chapter mean squat.

[Stavka]

This thread has been a bit of a surprise.

I never expected something like the spanish inquisition...







(You know what to do ;))

All i can do is prepare my soul to burn in hell...one way to avoid it is to start whipping myself without mercy on a regular basis.

Im disappointed in you, my hellenic friend... Your supposed to quote a certain Monty Python sketch.... <---------CLUE!!!!

[Trigger]

This thread has been a bit of a surprise.

I never expected something like the spanish inquisition...







(You know what to do ;))
No one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition... rofl

[Trigger]

It's quite simple, we Christians worship God and God is opposed to the act of being gay. If you label us radical or extremist for following our religion then you are intolerant.


OK hypocrite, then explain why Christians and Catholics have recently elected a lot of GAY priests to serve in the churches when they are TOTALLY against Homo******ity. :roll: :roll:

Get a life.
Viktorin, with all due respect, you're out of your depth and you're being an ass.

Only stating the obvious sir.
Yes, I know I was. ;)

[achilles]

I have an idea. Maybe schools should stick to teaching math, language, history, science etc, and stay out of "teaching lifestyle choices" "tolerance" "diversity" etc. Maybe that amounts to the state preaching it's particular approved gospel. I seem to remember the dinner table being used to teach such things.
Works for me.
...but what if the Dutch are offended by this? :lol:

First its the Greeks now the Dutch. I am still trying to understand why you are being so much annoyed by foreigners criticizing American domestic issues.
I don't know why foreigners continue to annoy me either. I wish I lived in a perfect country like they do. I could spend my days looking for other people's faults to point out. <sigh> :lol:

'Spending days looking for others' peoples faults to point out' is just your erroneous assessment of what some foreigners might do.

Want a perfect country? Greece is your place p-)


Feel free to bash Europe or hey...even Greece...i would LOVE to talk about it, seriously.
Why would I bash people for no reason? I could care less about the cartoons they watch or the brand of lube they recommend for their kids.:lol:

Fine, you dont care about foreign countries but allow foreigners to care about your own country. And its not about what kind of cartoons you watch...its all about those mentalities from the past. BTW when i have kids i will definitely recommend to them heavily lubricated rubber, kiwi flavoured. :D


I generally agree with Haiw-the-highjacker on this one p-) . Yet, its not a good idea to say that people's thoughts should be controlled or 'state approved' or whatever. Its just somewhat alarming, to say the least, that people are still so anti-gay or so anti-cartoon and to put it succinctly...so middle-ages. Its somewhat contradictory to be so damn pissed with Islamic fundamentalism and its attitude towards women (for example) while we have similar mentalities (though more elegantly projected) in our 'western' neighborhood.
Whoa pardner! Your comparison of some people's desire to not expose their kids to what they AS PARENTS consider questionable, to Islamic fundamentalism is laughably unbalanced.

Taking a look again at what i posted will make clear that this is not what i compared ;)


I am equally annoyed by those freaks that are bitching about the Athens 2004 Olympic ceremony, Spongebob as well as Greek Orthdox radical elements that are constantly whinning about TV serials showing couples kissing for more than 10 seconds for gods sake.
That's fair

[achilles]

This thread has been a bit of a surprise.

I never expected something like the spanish inquisition...







(You know what to do ;))

All i can do is prepare my soul to burn in hell...one way to avoid it is to start whipping myself without mercy on a regular basis.

Im disappointed in you, my hellenic friend... Your supposed to quote a certain Monty Python sketch.... <---------CLUE!!!!

Damn :oops: , i like Monty Python but i guess not enough...

[Herrmannek]

I'm "homophobe" and i'm proud of it... gays as a distinctive group introduce virtualy nothing to society, so there is no purpose in instititutioning additional rights for them(mariages), or promoting and praising them in the media, its like blowing steam into whistle, makes a lots of noise and gives nothing. Because of general aprobation for every deviation around or other rather stupid ideas, that makes western societies degenerate into brainless pulp, Arabs and Chinese will be only nation left in next century...

[Eat a bullet]

NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!
http://www.geocities.co.jp/Hollywood-Studio/5058/python/p_spanish.jpg

That it? :)

[achilles]

I'm "homophobe" and i'm proud of it... gays as a distinctive group introduce virtualy nothing to society, so there is no purpose in instititutioning additional rights for them(mariages), or promoting and praising them in the media, its like blowing steam into whistle, makes a lots of noise and gives nothing. Because of general aprobation for every deviation around or other rather stupid ideas, that makes western societies degenerate into brainless pulp, Arabs and Chinese will be only nation left in next century...

Most gays go get educated, work and function within their own societies pretty much like everyone else. Its just that their ****** preferences differ. So what is this thing that us hetero******s introduce to society that homo******s do not? What do we contribute as opposed to them? What exactly is their detrimental social role as opposed to our enormous 'hetero******' contributions?

As for gay marriage. I adopt a very simple view. That of the fundamental human freedom. Do they want to get married? Let them get married. Its just letting a certain part of the society CHOOSE and i dont give a **** about what do they do in their bedrooms. Its none of my business.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

And 2Sheds...i dont really see the problem with schools complementing the role of families in teaching and preaching 'social' issues. If schools start sticking too much to math and science then they will have lost their role.

Your last comment here made me shoot coffee out of my nose at transonic speeds.

Schools lose their role if they stick to too much math and science? I think we disagree wildly on what a school's role is. And by association - what a parents role is.

An elementary school exists to teach elementary education. Once it steps into social issues, it becomes social indoctrination. I do not want my children attending a Government Social Indoctrination Center - which is what schools are becoming. This accouts for the huge push in the US for vouchers - and the massive swell in homeschooling. Public schools have become little more than socal conditioning/daycare centers. Parents are desperate to have direct access to the tax funds devoted to educating their children so that they can actually get them an education at a school.

I take my job as a parent seriously. I will not have my authority usurped or contradicted by the state. The responsibility for raising and socially educating my children rests with me, not the state. I do not give them to strangers to raise (via daycare) I do not depend on the state to pay for any portion of their upbringing, nor do I want the state to preach their dogma to them.

In addition to the negative effects of state-controlled societal norming - we get into the area of the actual education, or should I say the lack of it. Every moment spent learning about Heather's two mommies is a moment that children are not learning about what they will need to compete in the real world. As a result, American children can quote chapter and verse about gender norming, alternative family structures, sharing and caring - but can't fvcking find France on a map. It's sickening.

I have to say it's truly frightening the speed with which people will give up even their most elemental rights. The next thing you know, we'll all be staggering around like a scene from THX-1138, and wondering how the hell we got here.

[Trigger]

'Spending days looking for others' peoples faults to point out' is just your erroneous assessment of what some foreigners might do. Erroneous? Not around here buddy.p-)


Feel free to bash Europe or hey...even Greece...i would LOVE to talk about it, seriously.
Why would I bash people for no reason? I could care less about the cartoons they watch or the brand of lube they recommend for their kids.:lol:

Fine, you dont care about foreign countries but allow foreigners to care about your own country. I don't detect as much 'caring' as I do 'ridiculing'. And its not about what kind of cartoons you watch...its all about those mentalities from the past. Just because an idea is old, doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong. BTW when i have kids i will definitely recommend to them heavily lubricated rubber, kiwi flavoured. We'll see... :D


Its somewhat contradictory to be so damn pissed with Islamic fundamentalism and its attitude towards women (for example) while we have similar mentalities (though more elegantly projected) in our 'western' neighborhood.
Whoa pardner! Your comparison of some people's desire to not expose their kids to what they AS PARENTS consider questionable, to Islamic fundamentalism is laughably unbalanced.

Taking a look again at what i posted will make clear that this is not what i compared ;) I looked again. I came to the same conclusion.

[Trigger]

As for gay marriage. I adopt a very simple view. That of the fundamental human freedom. Do they want to get married? Let them get married. Its just letting a certain part of the society CHOOSE and i dont give a **** about what do they do in their bedrooms. Its none of my business.
Nor do I, but I really wish they would stop making it my business by shoving it down my throat (pun intended). ;)

[Rantanplan]

This thread makes Jesus go crazzzzzzyyyyyyyyyyyy

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/Rantanplan/dancing_jesus.gif

[Eat a bullet]

As for gay marriage. I adopt a very simple view. That of the fundamental human freedom. Do they want to get married? Let them get married. Its just letting a certain part of the society CHOOSE and i dont give a **** about what do they do in their bedrooms. Its none of my business.
Nor do I, but I really wish they would stop making it my business by shoving it down my throat (pun intended). ;)
Oddly, many people in the states view religion in the same way.

[Trigger]

As for gay marriage. I adopt a very simple view. That of the fundamental human freedom. Do they want to get married? Let them get married. Its just letting a certain part of the society CHOOSE and i dont give a **** about what do they do in their bedrooms. Its none of my business.
Nor do I, but I really wish they would stop making it my business by shoving it down my throat (pun intended). ;)
Oddly, many people in the states view religion in the same way.
Really?
That's why 'religion' is subjected to increasing attack, while homo******ity is becoming more and more acceptable?
Does 'many people' refer to the ACLU :lol:

[achilles]

And 2Sheds...i dont really see the problem with schools complementing the role of families in teaching and preaching 'social' issues. If schools start sticking too much to math and science then they will have lost their role.

Your last comment here made me shoot coffee out of my nose at transonic speeds.

I guess i owe you a new keyboard

I was stressing out that schools should not focus ONLY on what you call 'elementary education' but they can complement and not replace the good old family by any means.

Schools lose their role if they stick to too much math and science? I think we disagree wildly on what a school's role is. And by association - what a parents role is.


An elementary school exists to teach elementary education. Once it steps into social issues, it becomes social indoctrination. I do not want my children attending a Government Social Indoctrination Center - which is what schools are becoming.

I dont know what your schools are becoming but this sounds a bit aphoristic: "Once it steps into social issues, it becomes social indoctrination". Does it HAVE to be like that? Is this the only way that a school can promote the duality of its role? I remember my teachers in my really bad elementary school within a very bad educational system, talking about human/social values, about how good is to respect minorities, about the equality between genders, all of which are social and, indeed, very crucial issues. Is this social indoctrination? I guess its not...its teaching social values and stimulating critical thinking.
Math and science is good...no, its fantastic. But makes noone a better person and as a parent you know that better than me.

This accouts for the huge push in the US for vouchers - and the massive swell in homeschooling. Public schools have become little more than socal conditioning/daycare centers. Parents are desperate to have direct access to the tax funds devoted to educating their children so that they can actually get them an education at a school.



I take my job as a parent seriously. I will not have my authority usurped or contradicted by the state. The responsibility for raising and socially educating my children rests with me, not the state. I do not give them to strangers to raise (via daycare) I do not depend on the state to pay for any portion of their upbringing, nor do I want the state to preach their dogma to them.

The way you put it i agree. But again you are talking about indoctrination. If this is the case then no doubt that schools should stick to math. I am simply talking about schools promoting universal social values and complementing parents' role in a discrete, moderate way.

In addition to the negative effects of state-controlled societal norming - we get into the area of the actual education, or should I say the lack of it. Every moment spent learning about Heather's two mommies is a moment that children are not learning about what they will need to compete in the real world. As a result, American children can quote chapter and verse about gender norming, alternative family structures, sharing and caring - but can't fvcking find France on a map. It's sickening.

I can understand your worries as a parent because of that. Perhaps your educational system, and have no doubt many European systems as well, have set their priorities upside down. 'Elementary education' first. But the fact that a kid cannot find France on a map does not mean that he/she shouldnt have a clue about gender norming or family structures.

I have to say it's truly frightening the speed with which people will give up even their most elemental rights. The next thing you know, we'll all be staggering around like a scene from THX-1138, and wondering how the hell we got here.

All in all, i am advocating a well prioritized educational system (yep, math, history, science first) that will be able to enhance the role of the parents in trasmitting 'social education'-and critical thinking along with it- to their kids, as well. I have experienced that as a kid in one of the most dysfunctional educational systems in Europe, to say the least...the Greek one.

[California Joe]

Jesus, (sorry) Lets hope they don't find out about South Park.

[Herrmannek]

2sheds and triger woot , couldn't say that better...

noones gives **** what people do in their bethrooms but when society is more interested in that crap than its survival and development my warning light is flashing like crazy...

Problem with public ******, social, etc education is that that if one parrent makes error only his children are hurt, when state makes error everyone is hurt... You can't do error learning math or geography, but you can FUBAR whole generation by filling its head with ****y theories of dumb professors and madmans that didn't checked them in real life but dear to call them sure and only possible.

[FozzieBear]

Awesome.

People aren't allowed to disagree with homo******ity.

What an enlightened bunch you are. :roll:

And how enlightened is it to think Spongebob is gay?

Utter Bull****
It doesn't matter, they are being ridiculed for having an opinion which differs from others.
If I personally dislike pancakes, but other people love them, does that make me wrong? NO BUT YOU DONT HAVE TO WHINE ABOUT THEM. thats one thing i dont like about you americans... your all too serious, lighten up...

[achilles]

2sheds and triger woot , couldn't say that better...

noones gives f*** what people do in their bethrooms but when society is more interested in that crap than its survival and development my warning light is flashing like crazy...



So that makes it a problem of the society and not one of the homo******s.


Problem with public ******, social, etc education is that that if one parrent makes error only his children are hurt, when state makes error everyone is hurt... You can't do error learning math or geography, but you can FUBAR whole generation by filling its head with ****y theories of dumb professors and madmans that didn't checked them in real life but dear to call them sure and only possible.

We just have a diametrically different opinion on what an educational system can acheive.

[Herrmannek]

2sheds and triger woot , couldn't say that better...

noones gives f*** what people do in their bethrooms but when society is more interested in that crap than its survival and development my warning light is flashing like crazy...



So that makes it a problem of the society and not one of the homo******s.


I care much more about problems of society than some minority group that serve no purpose for society. If homo****** bring their mostly imaginated problems to public and paralyse it with that crap it becamee great problem...ie of Poland we deliberate how to help those poor gays who can't **** freely to be not called deviants instead of encouraging people to reproduce filling by that gap between mortality/birth rate to secure our saftey in near future. I want to see those gay's faces when their rent, because of their dumb politics, will last only for dry bread,water and cardbox under bridge...

[achilles]

'Spending days looking for others' peoples faults to point out' is just your erroneous assessment of what some foreigners might do. Erroneous? Not around here buddy.p-)

Whateva :D


Feel free to bash Europe or hey...even Greece...i would LOVE to talk about it, seriously.
Why would I bash people for no reason? I could care less about the cartoons they watch or the brand of lube they recommend for their kids.:lol:

Fine, you dont care about foreign countries but allow foreigners to care about your own country. I don't detect as much 'caring' as I do 'ridiculing'.

If you felt that as ridiculing then those foreigners must have hit a nerve. I am sure they will apologize some other time. p-)

And its not about what kind of cartoons you watch...its all about those mentalities from the past. Just because an idea is old, doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong.

When someone is having his hemorhoides inflated because of a cartoon and in the name of 'God' well this is old...mideaval actually...and thats bad :D Other than that, no of course not. Sometimes 'old' is just better.

BTW when i have kids i will definitely recommend to them heavily lubricated rubber, kiwi flavoured. We'll see... :D


Its somewhat contradictory to be so damn pissed with Islamic fundamentalism and its attitude towards women (for example) while we have similar mentalities (though more elegantly projected) in our 'western' neighborhood.
Whoa pardner! Your comparison of some people's desire to not expose their kids to what they AS PARENTS consider questionable, to Islamic fundamentalism is laughably unbalanced.

Taking a look again at what i posted will make clear that this is not what i compared ;) I looked again. I came to the same conclusion.

[color=red]So much i can do. Its getting late in Europussyland...now lemme have my cathartic 30-minute whipping session and then go to sleep :P .

[Ria]

Herrmanek...I'm confused. Are you saying homo******s don't contribute to society?? If so, I would like your reasons for that. If not, are you saying you dislike the gays who focus more on their ******ity than world issues...

If you meant the first one, look at this:

There recently was a Gay-Straight Alliance set up in our school. It was presented by students to the administration and they allowed them to have the club. I was talking to my male friend the other day, who is gay, and he said he thought of the club as almost offensive. He said that he has never gone to a meeting and never will. The purpose of the club is to spread tolerance, and I think they do some charity work, but I'm not too sure. Anyways, my friend said that if they have a Gay-Straight Alliance, they might as well have a Goth-Prep Alliance and Jock-Skater Alliance. It seems like while trying to spread tolerance, they're separating themselves even more. I agree and disagree with that statement.

[Viktorin]

It's quite simple, we Christians worship God and God is opposed to the act of being gay. If you label us radical or extremist for following our religion then you are intolerant.


OK hypocrite, then explain why Christians and Catholics have recently elected a lot of GAY priests to serve in the churches when they are TOTALLY against Homo******ity. :roll: :roll:

Get a life.

Hmmmm.......I don't recall all Christian Denominations approving of gay pastors/priests to serve in churches, perhaps you should stop implying that. Hey, America has freedom of speech! So tough! Deal with what they say, it's their opinion, not yours.

Maybe you should read the news a bit more. :roll: There has been plenty of it shown that there has been gays elected. Not just priests, but bishops as well.

[Herrmannek]

Herrmanek...I'm confused. Are you saying homo******s don't contribute to society??

I don't say they don't contribute, but are of their contribution is covered by currents laws and rights already. If you are good worker its not mater you are gay or not...

What i wanted to say is that homo******s as group introduce nothing more to society that they would if they wouldn't homo******s but let say blondes, ie oposing to them hetero******s reproduce and assure continuation of society so they create valid group to promote. Thats why i don't sea any reasons to gave homo******s any additional rights or making special laws for them...Its pointles because its serves nothing except making other doubtfull groups to fight for they doubtfull rights...

[Opening Batsman]

why am I not surprised it's an american group... :cantbeli:
yeah, america must be destroyed...

x2

p-) ;)

X3 :P

[ronin2172]

when did promoting tolerance become such a contentious issue?

[username]

I don't agree with the title of this thread.

[StarvingStudent47]

Awesome.

People aren't allowed to disagree with homo******ity.

What an enlightened bunch you are. :roll:

In case nobody else has seen the video, I have seen it in entirety and I simply don't understand what this argument is about.

1) There is no ****** or ******-orientation content of ANY kind, gay or straight.
2) SpongeBob doesn't play a major role in it.
3) It's just a bunch of cartoon characters singing a song with the refrain "We are family! My brothers and my sisters and me!" They hug each other and dance around happily.
4) People say it's supposed to teach tolerance for diversity, but all I saw was blue muppets and red muppets living happily next to each other. I guess you could extrapolate from that that tolerance for minorities is good, but even that's a stretch.

[Herrmannek]

SS we stoped to talk about cartoon ten pages ago :)

[Ria]

when did promoting tolerance become such a contentious issue?

Who knows :| ...Hasn't it always been that way? For women, for blacks, and more recently for gays?

[Ria]

SS we stoped to talk about cartoon ten pages ago :)

He's completely right though. This whole thing is just plain ridiculous. They're putting this crap into their own minds.

[StarvingStudent47]

SS we stoped to talk about cartoon ten pages ago :)

Yeah, but it's worth addressing the thread title ANYWAY, because some people seemed alarmed about this "gay propaganda for youth."

Apparently the head of the Christian organization, Focus on the Family, who had complained about the homo******ity in this video has never seen the video himself and publicly admitted so. He said he had been "briefed" on the video, however. Apparently not very well.

After having seen the video (CNN broadcast it in entirety), I think this entire controversy is incredibly stupid.

[Herrmannek]

As for cartoon i haven't seen it, but knowing similiar cases its more parents imagination than real thing... Still most of the discussion above is valid for cases of explicit indoctrination.

[Romulus]

Awesome.

People aren't allowed to disagree with homo******ity.

What an enlightened bunch you are. :roll:

And how enlightened is it to think Spongebob is gay?

Utter Bull****
It doesn't matter, they are being ridiculed for having an opinion which differs from others.
If I personally dislike pancakes, but other people love them, does that make me wrong?

You insensitive pancake hater. Who are you to disagree with the lifestyle choices of pancakes. What would Ms. Butterworth think?

In all honesty though...I think this kind of thing does more harm than good. I mean come on...Spongebob? Just because some gay group adopts him as some unofficial mascot - what can be done about that? I don't recall him being serviced by Patrick, or going down on Squidward. If this group wanted to condemn the whole concept of embracing all possible lifestyles that's one thing...but to single out poor Spongebob is just stupid.

If you want gay cartoon characters, may I introduce you to Snagglepuss, Thelma (from Scoobydoo), Huckleberry Hound, or Droopy. Those fvckers are fvcin' gay. I also had my doubts about Tennessee Tuxedo.

You missed Peppermint Patty.

[DPGLAW]

That is just F'in ridiculous, don't these groups that say these things realize how retarted they sound? I mean they must not even be thinking about it at all to say this..lol :)

[Shiftyfive]

I dont know which is sadder the crazy christians who keep their kids from watching spongbob even though the creators said he is not gay or the idiot fudgepackers who embrace him even thought the creators said he is not gay. Isnt it funny how ignorant both sides can be, and isnt it sad that so many non-americans dont understand the concept of free speech and having oposing ideas on morals? Im so glad my ancestors clawed their way here to this wonderful free country.