Islamist Desecrate Italian War Graves In Somalia

[BlackRain]

Outrage as Somali militia dig up Italian graves
21 Jan 2005 13:44:58 GMT

Source: *******

By Mohamed Ali Bile

MOGADISHU, Jan 21 (*******) - Somali militiamen, allied with Islamic clerics who rule by sharia law, have dug up hundreds of skeletons from an Italian colonial-era cemetery and thrown them in the trash, sparking anger in the Italian and Somali capitals.

The motive for the mass exhumation by gunmen allied with the clerics who rule northern Mogadishu remained unclear on Friday. Witnesses said hundreds of corpses were dug up over the past five days and thrown away at a dump near Mogadishu's airport, which drew a strongly worded protest from Rome.

"The profanation of a silent and historical place, sacred to all civilisations, is a vile and particularly hateful act which can have no justification whatsoever," the Italian government said in a statement.

Gunmen told residents near the cemetery in south Mogadishu that the courts ordered them to clear the site of non-Islamic elements, witnesses said.

But a number of high-ranking court clerics have denied that, and residents and other Muslim religious leaders condemned the exhumations as out of keeping with their faith.

There is also speculation in Italy and Somalia that the grave destruction is simply a land grab by local businessmen. A number of wealthy businessmen from the capital have regularly financed the Islamic courts and their militias.

Ahmed Alore, a guard at the cemetery for more than 30 years, said most of the 3,000 people buried there are soldiers, traders and missionaries from Italy.

Italy, which controlled parts of Somalia from 1889 until independence in 1960, urged "that those responsible for this barbarous act will soon be identified and brought to justice."

But how that could happen in the lawless capital remains in question.

The new transitional government has yet to return from Kenya, where it has remained because of security fears at home since its formation in Nairobi over the past five months.

Dozens of fractious militias have been the de facto rulers of Somalia since 1991, when a militia coalition ousted military dictator Mohammed Siad Barre and ushered in an era of anarchy.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L21606068.htm

[Digital Marine]

thats just nasty :|

[BlackRain]

[Begin Judgment Mode]

Civilized people do not violate graves. Basic human behaviour dictates respect for places of rest. How these Muslim's can advocate such an act is hard to understand.

The excuse that these are not regular Muslims but Wahabbi Muslims is not going to work this time.

Grave desecration, beheadings, torture, disembowelment, suicide bombing in the name of Allah?

[End Judgement Mode]

[BlackFlag]

barbarians.

[Novara]

Yeah they are animals. Should just nuke that disgusting God forsaken place. I think God made his feelings felt when he sent the Tsunami their way.

Who cares, you know? I'm just laughing at them dying of poverty.

You know how much money I gave to the Tsunami?

NADA.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Such evil people wont get any compassion from me.

[BlackRain]

I think God made his feelings felt when he sent the Tsunami their way.



Bit harsh don't you think?

We are all God's children and I do not wish any harm upon the innocent no matter the religion.

I for one do not believe God had anything to with that natural disaster.

[SHAM]

Thays nasty, thats certainly worth an ass whooping.

[KZ_Finland]

Thays nasty, thats certainly worth an ass whooping. Agreed. Feel sad for the families of the dug up italians.

[Frens]

barbarians.


+1 :|

[Novara]

I think God made his feelings felt when he sent the Tsunami their way.



Bit harsh don't you think?

We are all God's children and I do not wish any harm upon the innocent no matter the religion.

I for one do not believe God had anything to with that natural disaster.

Sorry, just had enough of 'em. We try and help 'em with Restore Hope and they shoot at us. They wear their Bin Laden t-shirts while snatching relief. We have to go out of our way to help them.

We are idiots to take this crap.

When a disaster happens to us, I've never heard of them helping...no concerts, collections. We are on our own. They just dance on the street celebrating when we die or burn our flag.

[Gyles84]

Thats wrong in so many ways. F*ck 'em.

[Nizark]

And they wonder why the few are being a representation of the whole

[DarkCypher]

That's sick. Hope the bastards get caught.

[Brozozo]

I think God made his feelings felt when he sent the Tsunami their way.



Bit harsh don't you think?

We are all God's children and I do not wish any harm upon the innocent no matter the religion.

I for one do not believe God had anything to with that natural disaster.

Sorry, just had enough of 'em. We try and help 'em with Restore Hope and they shoot at us. They wear their Bin Laden t-shirts while snatching relief. We have to go out of our way to help them.

We are idiots to take this crap.

When a disaster happens to us, I've never heard of them helping...no concerts, collections. We are on our own. They just dance on the street celebrating when we die or burn our flag.

Well, you North Korean pinko-commies aren't much better. :P

[ramy]

yeah thats just barbaric behaviour, but what do you expect ? they are living centuries behind the time...

:(

[Warlord]

[Begin Judgment Mode]

Civilized people do not violate graves. Basic human behaviour dictates respect for places of rest. How these Muslim's can advocate such an act is hard to understand.

The excuse that these are not regular Muslims but Wahabbi Muslims is not going to work this time.

Grave desecration, beheadings, torture, disembowelment, suicide bombing in the name of Allah?

[End Judgement Mode]


x100 :(

[BTR-80]

Childish act!

[Novara]

I think God made his feelings felt when he sent the Tsunami their way.



Bit harsh don't you think?

We are all God's children and I do not wish any harm upon the innocent no matter the religion.

I for one do not believe God had anything to with that natural disaster.

Sorry, just had enough of 'em. We try and help 'em with Restore Hope and they shoot at us. They wear their Bin Laden t-shirts while snatching relief. We have to go out of our way to help them.

We are idiots to take this crap.

When a disaster happens to us, I've never heard of them helping...no concerts, collections. We are on our own. They just dance on the street celebrating when we die or burn our flag.

Well, you North Korean pinko-commies aren't much better. :P

I'm not a north korean. I am in north korea. I'm trying to save the puppies from being eaten.

[Aerosoul]

This is horrible.

Although it does not surprise me. Same people who literally dismembered American corpses in 93.

And you guys remember the 4 contractors in Iraq last year I'm sure. Killed, mutilated, burned, hanged.

And WE get accused of overkill?

"Fundamentalism means never having to say'I'm wrong.'"

[M1A2U2]

Just another example of what happens when you have a country controlled by a tyrant. It just creates lawless barbarians and is just another reason why we shouldnt have left till the job was done.

[EsoognomEhT]

Did some of you forget to read the whole article??


sparking anger in the Italian and Somali capitals.

Its a few milita men trying to cause trouble, I find some of the responses at best laughable, at worst disgusting. Nuke the whole place??? The Somali government is just as annoyed as the Italian...

And it deserves an "ass whooping" ... Does anyone remember what happened they were given an "ass whooping" ?

[Novara]

The Somali government is just as annoyed as the Italian...

And it deserves an "ass whooping" ... Does anyone remember what happened they were given an "ass whooping" ?

There isn't a Somali government. Somalia is an anarchy state controlled by warlords. Shows how much you know. :roll:

Again, you're talking from your arse and I'm ashamed to be a Brit like you. The ass whooping was handed out by the Rangers/Delta and recieved by the Somali militiamen. 19 US forces were killed. Anything in the region of 1,000-2,000 militiamen killed. That's a good ratio in my books.

When Delta/Rangers left Mogadishu, the Red Cross went in. The Red Cross only show up in areas of catastrophic loss of life, usually natural disasters.

[Aerosoul]

Yeah, we tried distributing food and used 20,000 Marines for security with the UN before TF Ranger was sent. Once Aidid killed 24 Pakistan UN soldiers....that was it.

TF Ranger goes in, and Clinton pulls em out when it gets rough. Pff!

[bison3255]

There is a Somali government, but it is located in Kenya and has no power

[Aerosoul]

There is a Somali government, but it is located in Kenya and has no power

Exactly.

[Gatling]

Okay first of all , I was reluctant to post in this thread , given the ususal provocative style of blackrain and the contagious fever that ensued.
the article
The motive for the mass exhumation by gunmen allied with the clerics who rule northern Mogadishu remained unclear on Friday. Witnesses said hundreds of corpses were dug up over the past five days and thrown away at a dump near Mogadishu's airport, which drew a strongly worded protest from Rome.
First of all , the so called clerics are the remants of Aidid former militia , still resisting any type of alliance with the newly formed somali governement , based in nairobi {kenya] , for tribal reasons, not to forget that Aidid's own son is part of that governement. Second of all they do not control North Mog but South Mogadishu.So since everybody is speculating about their real motives there's mainly 3 probable explanation to these barbaric acts.
1/ It could the business men behind the clerics making moves to control land in the capital , before the soon to come governememt is installed.
2/ it could be a move from the clerics to distabilize the unity of the transitional governement in wich members of their own clan are represented, but the same governement is currently PAID and financially helped by the italian governement .So they're tyring to bank on , a couple of mistakes made by the italians during the colonial era and their current support to a rival leader , to cut back their own members from that transitional governement .
3/ It could be a move by the governement to snatch public support from the so called clerics , in the only area of Mog that has vowed to lauch warfare against , the new governement and any international force{ mainly african} that would help it .
I'm sorry those are only speculations , but that's what pretty much everybody has for now.
Novara
There isn't a Somali government. Somalia is an anarchy state controlled by warlords. Shows how much you know.
Again, you're talking from your arse and I'm ashamed to be a Brit like you.
You're the one who's talking from your arse. Large portion of Somalia , have relative peace{ far better than well publicized coutries} and do have FUNCTIONING state apparatus.{ lawlessness is in the south}
There's 3 somalia : 1 former british , 1 former french and 1 former italian. Oddly enough it's the italian one that's always been the f*** up one
PS: again that's NO excuse for such actions , but I kinda find the " Yeah let's nuke them all" and the " yeah muslims f** all barbarians" kinda boring

[Novara]

Okay first of all , I was reluctant to post in this thread , given the ususal provocative style of blackrain and the contagious fever that ensued.
the article
The motive for the mass exhumation by gunmen allied with the clerics who rule northern Mogadishu remained unclear on Friday. Witnesses said hundreds of corpses were dug up over the past five days and thrown away at a dump near Mogadishu's airport, which drew a strongly worded protest from Rome.
First of all , the so called clerics are the remants of Aidid former militia , still resisting any type of alliance with the newly formed somali governement , based in nairobi {kenya] , for tribal reasons, not to forget that Aidid's own son is part of that governement. Second of all they do not control North Mog but South Mogadishu.So since everybody is speculating about their real motives there's mainly 3 probable explanation to these barbaric acts.
1/ It could the business men behind the clerics making moves to control land in the capital , before the soon to come governememt is installed.
2/ it could be a move from the clerics to distabilize the unity of the transitional governement in wich members of their own clan are represented, but the same governement is currently PAID and financially helped by the italian governement .So they're tyring to bank on , a couple of mistakes made by the italians during the colonial era and their current support to a rival leader , to cut back their own members from that transitional governement .
3/ It could be a move by the governement to snatch public support from the so called clerics , in the only area of Mog that has vowed to lauch warfare against , the new governement and any international force{ mainly african} that would help it .
I'm sorry those are only speculations , but that's what pretty much everybody has for now.
Novara
There isn't a Somali government. Somalia is an anarchy state controlled by warlords. Shows how much you know.
Again, you're talking from your arse and I'm ashamed to be a Brit like you.
You're the one who's talking from your arse. Large portion of Somalia , have relative peace{ far better than well publicized coutries} and do have FUNCTIONING state apparatus.{ lawlessness is in the south}
There's 3 somalia : 1 former british , 1 former french and 1 former italian. Oddly enough it's the italian one that's always been the f*** up one
PS: again that's NO excuse for such actions , but I kinda find the " Yeah let's nuke them all" and the " yeah muslims f** all barbarians" kinda boring

Your post shows how much of an anus you are. You shoot crap as fast as your nic.

First you go all "expert" on us with a longwinded 1,2,3 rubbish. And then you end it with "I'm sorry those are only speculations..." :lol: You are full of it.

Then, and this I find worse. You MISQUOTE me you FOOL! Where did I say " yeah muslims f** all barbarians" in any of my posts? Never did I mention "muslims". You are full of S-H-I-T and that is the proof, making up stuff. :roll:

And so what if the Italian sector is more messed up? How can Italians have anything to do with it when they're not there in the first place?

You are a dunce of the highest calibre.

edit: By the way, I hate bad grammar. It isn't "I'm sorry those are only speculations" like you wrote. It should be "I'm sorry, that is just speculation". Or "I'm sorry, I'm talking out of my arse" (which is even more accurate).

[OzMan]

Good god, what will it take some of these f***ers to quit?

Somalia (or at least the Mogadishu region) is like Rwanda, Israel/Palestine, and the f***ing stone age rolled into one.

We do nothing, this sh*t continues. We do something, and it backfires, and nothing gets solved.

Solutions anyone (besides saying something retarded like "nuke the place!")?

[Gatling]

Novara
First you go all "expert" on us with a longwinded 1,2,3 rubbish. And then you end it with "I'm sorry those are only speculations..." You are full of it
yeah motherfukker ,as it appears in the article, and from information I gathered from the radio , nobody's yet sure about the real motives, therefore , I had to emphasize that point, unlike your sorry arse who runs his filthy mouth without even knowing what you're talking about.

Sorry, just had enough of 'em. We try and help 'em with Restore Hope and they shoot at us.They wear their Bin Laden t-shirtswhile snatching relief. We have to go out of our way to help them
That quote coupled with your history of verbal diarrhea spout at muslims , makes no secret as far as I'm concerned about who you're really talking about. Now don't be the pussy that you are and start talking like a man bitch.
Novara
And so what if the Italian sector is more messed up? How can Italians have anything to do with it when they're not there in the first place?
That 's for you to make your own conclusions .

[Brozozo]

Solutions anyone (besides saying something retarded like "nuke the place!")?

Hmmmmm, didn't leave us many options... :P

[ZeroPositive]

thats just wrong

[Gatling]

Eagle 1-1
Solutions anyone (besides saying something retarded like "nuke the place!")
There's no immediate solution that the outside world can provide , in my opinion . You can't really do anyhting for people that don't want your help., unless you're willing to embark on a massive scale operation like in Afghanistan . Hopefully one day , one party will emerge who's willing to do something for their country. Until then I think the west should reward those who are making progress and showing signs of civility{ the northern part}

[FozzieBear]

f*cking dispicable, somalis are no good, that country is a ****hole.

[EsoognomEhT]

there was shed loads of somali's at my school (all called Abdi) but they were fairly decent people once you got to know them

[Novara]

Eagle 1-1
Solutions anyone (besides saying something retarded like "nuke the place!")
There's no immediate solution that the outside world can provide , in my opinion . You can't really do anyhting for people that don't want your help., unless you're willing to embark on a massive scale operation like in Afghanistan . Hopefully one day , one party will emerge who's willing to do something for their country. Until then I think the west should reward those who are making progress and showing signs of civility{ the northern part}

And who made you Authority of Somalia...wanker. You talk like you know something about Somalia, when in fact I bet you can't even point it out on an atlas. I never said anything against muslims and I've nothing against them...that's your paranoia talking. The only thing you got right is that I'm a motherfukker. But only because your momma is so cheap.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

This is not only barbaric - it's stupid. Here we have a nation that's sliding backwards into oblivion - and they get organized to embark on a big project together - and do they build an irrigation ditch, or a few schools, or provide clean water, or build a hospital? No, they organize to dig up hundreds of graves.

These morons deserve their fate.

[Benny]

The whole country isn't worth s*** (and that's my most optimistic opinion).

[EsoognomEhT]

This is not only barbaric - it's stupid. Here we have a nation that's sliding backwards into oblivion - and they get organized to embark on a big project together - and do they build an irrigation ditch, or a few schools, or provide clean water, or build a hospital? No, they organize to dig up hundreds of graves.

These morons deserve their fate.


eeeh?!? It was some bloody militants not the whole ****ing country! Its like saying the whole of America deserves their fate because of the KKK

[He219]

<img src=http://cache.*****images.com/comp/52042902.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=C0B138730AA9296761E780EEF8FF3DB6A9C30E9B9B114CE8>

MOGADISHU, SOMALIA: A view of Suka Hola cemetry in Mogadishu, 19 January 2005, after gunmen under orders from Islamic clerics have exhumed and discarded the remains of more than 500 people buried in an Italian cemetery in Somalia's bullet-scarred capital. Mogadishu's "mayor" 20 January vowed to rebury remains exhumed.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

This is not only barbaric - it's stupid. Here we have a nation that's sliding backwards into oblivion - and they get organized to embark on a big project together - and do they build an irrigation ditch, or a few schools, or provide clean water, or build a hospital? No, they organize to dig up hundreds of graves.

These morons deserve their fate.


eeeh?!? It was some bloody militants not the whole f*** country! Its like saying the whole of America deserves their fate because of the KKK

The KKK is widely condemned and blocked at every turn by elements inside the US.

Re-read the article. It was not some isolated "militants" (how exactly do you call yourself a militant when all you do is dig up graves...not sure about that one). It was a group who was ordered by the de facto Islamic government that's in place.


Gunmen told residents near the cemetery in south Mogadishu that the courts ordered them to clear the site of non-Islamic elements, witnesses said.

There is also speculation in Italy and Somalia that the grave destruction is simply a land grab by local businessmen. A number of wealthy businessmen from the capital have regularly financed the Islamic courts and their militias.

So this is not the isolated action of a couple of nuts. It was a coordinated effort by many people, along with the tacit agreement of those in authority - and of course the people bear the ultimate responsibility for agreeing to be ruled by an Islamic court.

If the people don't want such things to happen, they have the power to stop it. If they did not want such a government, they have the power to change it. If they did not want the militia groups (who are themselves comprised of the people) they would be gone. At some point, people must bear the responsibility for their own lives. There is no external force forcing their reality to be as it is. Their belief system, such as it is, has brought them to this place.

I do not hold each Somali individualy responsible - but the Somali people are responsible for themselves. The alternative opinion is that these particular humans are for some reason incapable of determining their own destiny, and must be cared for like pets. :|

[EsoognomEhT]

Re-read the article. It was not some isolated "militants" (how exactly do you call yourself a militant when all you do is dig up graves...not sure about that one). It was a group who was ordered by the de facto Islamic government that's in place

I'm pretty sure ******* are quite aware of what constitutes a militant. And they were supported according to the article, not ordered.

[king_nothing100]

****ing savages, least they live in the backside of beyond and die quicker than us, they can lick my ring piece the mongs.

[Eat a bullet]

WTF? :|

[Novara]

I'm pretty sure ******* are quite aware of what constitutes a militant. And they were supported according to the article, not ordered.

Your logic is ridiculous. This is how the original article reads concerning militimen:

"The motive for the mass exhumation by gunmen allied with the clerics who rule northern Mogadishu remained unclear on Friday."

If the clerics rule Northern Mogadishu, and the militiamen are allied to them, surely they take their orders from the RULING clerics?

:roll:

[EsoognomEhT]

apologies, it doesnt say supported.

However just because they are allied with, doesnt mean they were given orders.

America is allied with Britain, doesnt mean the British government told America to do X operation in Iraq, and vice versa

[roland]

Okay first of all , I was reluctant to post in this thread , given the ususal provocative style of blackrain and the contagious fever that ensued.
the article
The motive for the mass exhumation by gunmen allied with the clerics who rule northern Mogadishu remained unclear on Friday. Witnesses said hundreds of corpses were dug up over the past five days and thrown away at a dump near Mogadishu's airport, which drew a strongly worded protest from Rome.
First of all , the so called clerics are the remants of Aidid former militia , still resisting any type of alliance with the newly formed somali governement , based in nairobi {kenya] , for tribal reasons, not to forget that Aidid's own son is part of that governement. Second of all they do not control North Mog but South Mogadishu.So since everybody is speculating about their real motives there's mainly 3 probable explanation to these barbaric acts.
1/ It could the business men behind the clerics making moves to control land in the capital , before the soon to come governememt is installed.
2/ it could be a move from the clerics to distabilize the unity of the transitional governement in wich members of their own clan are represented, but the same governement is currently PAID and financially helped by the italian governement .So they're tyring to bank on , a couple of mistakes made by the italians during the colonial era and their current support to a rival leader , to cut back their own members from that transitional governement .
3/ It could be a move by the governement to snatch public support from the so called clerics , in the only area of Mog that has vowed to lauch warfare against , the new governement and any international force{ mainly african} that would help it .
I'm sorry those are only speculations , but that's what pretty much everybody has for now.
Novara
There isn't a Somali government. Somalia is an anarchy state controlled by warlords. Shows how much you know.
Again, you're talking from your arse and I'm ashamed to be a Brit like you.
You're the one who's talking from your arse. Large portion of Somalia , have relative peace{ far better than well publicized coutries} and do have FUNCTIONING state apparatus.{ lawlessness is in the south}
There's 3 somalia : 1 former british , 1 former french and 1 former italian. Oddly enough it's the italian one that's always been the f*** up one
PS: again that's NO excuse for such actions , but I kinda find the " Yeah let's nuke them all" and the " yeah muslims f** all barbarians" kinda boring

Your post shows how much of an anus you are. You shoot crap as fast as your nic.

First you go all "expert" on us with a longwinded 1,2,3 rubbish. And then you end it with "I'm sorry those are only speculations..." :lol: You are full of it.

Then, and this I find worse. You MISQUOTE me you FOOL! Where did I say " yeah muslims f** all barbarians" in any of my posts? Never did I mention "muslims". You are full of S-H-I-T and that is the proof, making up stuff. :roll:

And so what if the Italian sector is more messed up? How can Italians have anything to do with it when they're not there in the first place?

You are a dunce of the highest calibre.

edit: By the way, I hate bad grammar. It isn't "I'm sorry those are only speculations" like you wrote. It should be "I'm sorry, that is just speculation". Or "I'm sorry, I'm talking out of my arse" (which is even more accurate).

At least Gatling is the one that continue to think and don't suffer hot flush like an old lady like most of you I'm affraid.
Perhaps the Somalis rebels are b@stard, but they are not idiots.
Simple logic says that this is a provocation. For what ? I don't know, but certainly to make some lose there self control. And it's what most of us do here.
Those b@stard are going to be crushed by Somali themselves but that can take some time.
If we want to help them, staying cold minded and at least try to understand would be a good start imho

[roland]

Edit: double post ??

[roland]

Edit: triple post ??

[cold0]

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MOGADISHU, SOMALIA: A view of Suka Hola cemetry in Mogadishu, 19 January 2005, after gunmen under orders from Islamic clerics have exhumed and discarded the remains of more than 500 people buried in an Italian cemetery in Somalia's bullet-scarred capital. Mogadishu's "mayor" 20 January vowed to rebury remains exhumed.

I'm no happy at all to see this photos; I have no idea about the reasons of this act, but it's simply barbarian.. and without justidication.

[drGreen]

pigs :fork:

I hope they die starving

[BlackRain]

So of you don't know what the hell you are talking about. If you want to support these Islamic thugs and pretend they are not organized, go ahead. But the truth is their is a Islamic powerplay going on in Somalia.


Somali Police Chief Assassinated

January 24, 2005

In Somalia, gunmen have shot and killed the chief of the national police force, General Yusuf Ahmed Sarinle. News reports say four gunmen killed him at his home outside Mogadishu on Sunday. General Sarinle was a known supporter of a proposed African peace keeping force in Somalia to protect the Nairobi-based interim government. That government was planning to relocate to Somalia within weeks. General Sarinle was also in charge of an investigation into the recent desecration of an Italian colonial cemetary by unknown assailants.



Another reason for Gen Sarinle's killing has been advanced: He was in charge of investigating the recent destruction of an Italian colonial cemetery by militiamen in Mogadishu.

Some 700 graves in the cemetery were destroyed and their human remains dumped elsewhere.

English to Africa reporter William Eagle contacted the spokesmen for the interim Somali government, who said they do not want to comment on the assassination until an investigation has been completed. But Jabril Ibrahim Abdulle of the Mogadishu-based Somalia Center for Research and Dialogue told VOA the general is the latest target in a string of attacks that have killed senior police officials. He said it is not yet clear whether General Sarinle was killed for his political views.

[Gatling]

BlackRain
So of you don't know what the hell you are talking about. If you want to support these Islamic thugs and pretend they are not organized, go ahead. But the truth is their is a Islamic powerplay going on in Somalia.
Nobody never said we support them . The fact that there are islamic groups in south Somalia isn't a secret to anybody and that's probably the reason why the US opened shop in Djibouti. FYI here's who they are http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/ogadin.htm
What we 're trying to do is understand the motives behind the acts

[khukuri]

The KKK is widely condemned and blocked at every turn by elements inside the US.




Gunmen told residents near the cemetery in south Mogadishu that the courts ordered them to clear the site of non-Islamic elements, witnesses said.

There is also speculation in Italy and Somalia that the grave destruction is simply a land grab by local businessmen. A number of wealthy businessmen from the capital have regularly financed the Islamic courts and their militias.

So this is not the isolated action of a couple of nuts. It was a coordinated effort by many people, along with the tacit agreement of those in authority - and of course the people bear the ultimate responsibility for agreeing to be ruled by an Islamic court.

If the people don't want such things to happen, they have the power to stop it. If they did not want such a government, they have the power to change it. If they did not want the militia groups (who are themselves comprised of the people) they would be gone. At some point, people must bear the responsibility for their own lives. There is no external force forcing their reality to be as it is. Their belief system, such as it is, has brought them to this place.

I do not hold each Somali individualy responsible - but the Somali people are responsible for themselves. The alternative opinion is that these particular humans are for some reason incapable of determining their own destiny, and must be cared for like pets. :|


Bull****, pure and utter bull****. Live in an dictator country and try to change when youre genreally ppowerless and have lords ruling over your ass. Theres loads of dictatorships in the world which the majority of people opposed their govrements but havent succeded in overthrowing them. Your post is insulting to all those people that fought against dictatorships and ended up lossing everything. Manytimes their lives. This shows that you know nothing about how the world really works in theese parts and situations.





This shows clearly that its about CORRUPT "islamic (myass) courts aligning with bussiness. Having priests and clerics that are corrupt isnt anything new. It existed and still exists in all religoiuns, especially poor and less developed countrys. When some priests in the usa got accused of child abuse, I didnt go around and shout oh look at this christianity. Doing such **** is very clear forbidden in islam whoever is in the grave!