30 Years Since Egypt’s Victory Over Israel

[budanski]

LOL!! The Arab View...


30 Years Since Egypt’s Victory Over Israel (http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=34237&d=27&m=10&y=2003)
Arab News

In the war of October 1973, Egypt crushed the Israeli army of occupation. They destroyed the Barlief Line that was described by military experts as unparalleled in military history and ended the lie that Israel had an invincible army. This year for the first time Egypt is celebrating its victory throughout the month of October rather than just on the day of victory.

The Egyptian media’s strong interest in this historical event led to the uncovering of a number of previously hidden facts about the Egyptian attack which have remained unknown until this year. Maj. G.K. Molton, a former officer in the US Air Force and considered an expert and strategic military analysis, says, “The steps taken by Egypt and Syria on the military and political planning level greatly contributed to the victory... On the 6th of October, the Egyptian Air Force bombed all command and strategic Israeli targets in Sinai using 240 planes. In the ensuing confrontation, the Egyptians brought down 50 Israeli planes in three days — this was never admitted by Israel. The Egyptian Air Force also destroyed or damaged around a quarter of the Israeli Air Force during the war... The second and third armies then crossed the Suez Canal and broke through the Barlief Line under the cover of cannon fire... All Egyptian military battalions played their roles in an exceptional manner... The October War was truly an important triumph for Egypt and the Arab world.”

Time Magazine International said of the war: “The Egyptian soldiers crossed the Suez Canal with ease ... Within 72 hours, the Egyptian forces moved 70,000 soldiers and 70 tanks onto the eastern bank of the canal — a number that cannot be underestimated in view of the water barrier and the sand dams (of the Barlief Line). The Israeli Air Force could not destroy the crossings that the Egyptian Army constructed along the canal. Whatever Israeli planes bombed was rebuilt in record time by the Egyptian engineers’ regiment.”

Israel was totally devastated even though the Egyptian forces didn’t advance into Palestine. Golda Meir saved Israel by sending out an SOS which was answered by the ever-biased American administration through the great Zionist himself, Henry Kissinger, then at the peak of power.

I say to Israel that Egypt is capable of defeating Israel — yesterday, today and tomorrow — and it is this that leads the Israelis to dedicate a prayer every day to the death and destruction of all Egyptians. Your nuclear arsenal wasn’t the deterrent that stopped Egypt as you may have been led to believe. You were never in fact able to use anything other than nuclear mines — which are limited weapons — in fear of retaliation from Egypt. In addition, your crossing at the opening led by Ariel Sharon was the biggest mistake and had it not been for Kissinger’s interference in the negotiations at the 101st km on the Suez Canal, the number of Israeli soldiers who died would have been a great deal higher.

Today Sharon repeats his mistakes — causing the death of hundreds of Jews because of his clumsy policies. Will Colin Powell or anyone else orchestrate some negotiations like those on the Suez Canal to save the Israelis from the fury of the valiant Palestinian resistance? Or will he retire at the next election leaving room for the Zionists to fuel the fire in the Middle East?

This disproves the old maxim that "history is written by the victors."

[jdbjdb]

rofl "Egypts victory over Israel" caught my eye wonder what Ariel Sharon would say about this article

[EvanL]

Is it eadible? rofl

[StarvingStudent47]

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! That made my day.

If Arab News ever describes ME as

the great Zionist himself
my life will be complete.

By the way, what is a "nuclear mine"? That's really gotta suck if you step on one.

[96B]

I think I'd rather have a nuclear hand grenade! Wait, nevermind... rofl

[jdbjdb]

:lol: yeah that was a good one only if its kosher right?

[PsihoKeke]

Egypt has incredibly low standards for victory. Next time Italians will start celebrating their wictory second world war.

[martinexsquaddie]

Hang on did'nt the Egyptians kick the Israeli's out of the Sinai?
or am I missing something?

[citizen-k]

Hang on did'nt the Egyptians kick the Israeli's out of the Sinai?
or am I missing something?

You are.

If it wasn't for the U.N Israel would have settlements in Cairo and Damascus today ;)

During 1973 the Egyption caught the IDF by surprise (intel failure) but a few days after the war started they were running back home. (not leaving their shoes behind like they did in 1967, but fast enough...)

They got the Sinai back in 1980 peace agreement. (1979? I'm always blur with illusions...)

[UoUo]

And you forgot that the israeli army stop in the 101 Km in the road of Cairo....

[martinexsquaddie]

Sorry my mistake. I thought it a bit odd Arab victory against Israel guess the Iraqi information minister has found a new job :lol:

[UoUo]

rofl

[Haiw]

kinda reminds me of how NK celebrated the anniversary over their victory over the south rofl

[S'13]

Those Arabs have one hell of an imagination, Israelis have become so used to it that we have a name for it: "demayon mizrahi", which means "Eastern imagination".
I remember my father telling me that in 67 while he and his friends were liberating East Jerusalem (he served as a paratrooper) and other IDF soldiers were swimming in the Suez Canal, the Egyptians were talking on the radio about how they conquered Haifa. I will never forget that...
rofl :lol: rofl

[IDFM203]

(not leaving their shoes behind like they did in 1967, but fast enough...)
just one correction here.

I think they left their shoes in this war as well.


rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

[StarvingStudent47]

Hang on did'nt the Egyptians kick the Israeli's out of the Sinai?
or am I missing something?

No, Israel held the Sinai by force of arms just fine. But AFTER the fighting was over, they gave it to Egypt in exchange for a peace treaty (Israel's first with an Arab country?). I believe that was the first instance of a "land for peace" deal, which Israel has tried several times to no avail.

[Mr. Nielsen]

I once read a couple of books about this war and my impression is that it ended in a draw. Though both sides likes to call themselves victors.

The syrians had almost recaptured the Golan but ran out of steam. The israelis counter-attacked, gained more ground in syria, before they also got stopped. By the wars end the syrians were ready for a new offensive with help from Iraq and Jordan.

In the Sinai the egyptians crossed the suez gained foothold all along the canal. Israeli counter-attacks failed. Egyptian push inland failed. Israel crossed the channel thereby cutting off the southern egyptian army on the east side. By wars end the egyptians still had a foothold on the eastside of the suez and the surrounded army was nowhere close to surrendering.

No decisive outcome, no victor, no vanquished but the status quo was broken.

[Adri]

Egypt has incredibly low standards for victory. Next time Italians will start celebrating their wictory second world war.

well they (the italians) did change side during ww2 ;) so they was on the axis side when it started (under musselini(?)) but a general came to power just afther the fall of sicilia (?) and they canged side afther the allies had kicked the germans out of itali (ofcourse you don't change side and have half a million enemy soldiers in your country...)

[usa320]

rofl

[michael63000]

Egypt was victorious in the part of the war from October 6-14, then it swung Israel's way from October 15-28 (after the failure of the Egyptian armoured thrust into Mid-Sinai, causing the loss of over 250 tanks).

Trust me, I'm a historian and military tactician in University, in Canada. I wouldn't consider it a victory for either side. It's more of a stale mate. Egypt ended up gaining around 1,200km^2 of the Sinai and holding it during the war, while Israel gained 1,600km^2 of the western Bank, but Israel failed to cut off the 2nd Army and Israel failed to capture Suez, but all this and they were virtually unopposed in the western bank since the 2 Egyptian armies were on the Eastern Bank of the canal. (The Egyptians soldiers, all 90,000 and 1,000 tanks, did not even withdraw from the Sinai, once they were on the eastern bank of the Suez Canal, they never stepped foot on the western bank until the end of the war, even if they lost a lot of men, they did not run ;)). The Israeli's simply found the weakness of the Egyptian armies and exploited it to their advantage, which the Egyptians were completely unaware of.

Either way, in my eyes It's a stalemate, and I'm not bias since I'm not Israeli or Egyptian. ;) I've also studied the Yom Kippur War for over a year.

[kamaz]

lol @ 'valiant Palestinian resistance'

if this was a victory, it certainly wasnt a victory for Egypt, considering Sharon's armored brigades crossed the Suez and could have driven into Cairo (untill they were stopped by political pressure from US)

if it was a victory for Israel it was definitely a pyrrhic victory.

[kamaz]

also, once IAF knocked out Soviet radar stations (using drones) and neutralized egyptian SAM umbrellas, Egyptian army was toast. There are still burned out hulks of Egyptian T-55s all over the Sinai.

[b0sco]

Egypt was victorious in the part of the war from October 6-14, then it swung Israel's way from October 15-28 (after the failure of the Egyptian armoured thrust into Mid-Sinai, causing the loss of over 250 tanks).

Trust me, I'm a historian and military tactician in University, in Canada. I wouldn't consider it a victory for either side. It's more of a stale mate. Egypt ended up gaining around 1,200km^2 of the Sinai and holding it during the war, while Israel gained 1,600km^2 of the western Bank, but Israel failed to cut off the 2nd Army and Israel failed to capture Suez, but all this and they were virtually unopposed in the western bank since the 2 Egyptian armies were on the Eastern Bank of the canal. (The Egyptians soldiers, all 90,000 and 1,000 tanks, did not even withdraw from the Sinai, once they were on the eastern bank of the Suez Canal, they never stepped foot on the western bank until the end of the war, even if they lost a lot of men, they did not run ;)). The Israeli's simply found the weakness of the Egyptian armies and exploited it to their advantage, which the Egyptians were completely unaware of.

Either way, in my eyes It's a stalemate, and I'm not bias since I'm not Israeli or Egyptian. ;) I've also studied the Yom Kippur War for over a year.

Thank you for your opinion on a 7 year old thread.

[crush6655]

Thank you for your opinion on a 7 year old thread.
He did say he was a "historian"... :)

[T-5 Killer]

He did say he was a "historian"... :)
Bahahahahahaha Phd in necroposting!

[IconOfEvi]

Egypt was victorious in the part of the war from October 6-14, then it swung Israel's way from October 15-28 (after the failure of the Egyptian armoured thrust into Mid-Sinai, causing the loss of over 250 tanks).

Trust me, I'm a historian and military tactician in University, in Canada. I wouldn't consider it a victory for either side. It's more of a stale mate. Egypt ended up gaining around 1,200km^2 of the Sinai and holding it during the war, while Israel gained 1,600km^2 of the western Bank, but Israel failed to cut off the 2nd Army and Israel failed to capture Suez, but all this and they were virtually unopposed in the western bank since the 2 Egyptian armies were on the Eastern Bank of the canal. (The Egyptians soldiers, all 90,000 and 1,000 tanks, did not even withdraw from the Sinai, once they were on the eastern bank of the Suez Canal, they never stepped foot on the western bank until the end of the war, even if they lost a lot of men, they did not run ;)). The Israeli's simply found the weakness of the Egyptian armies and exploited it to their advantage, which the Egyptians were completely unaware of.

Either way, in my eyes It's a stalemate, and I'm not bias since I'm not Israeli or Egyptian. ;) I've also studied the Yom Kippur War for over a year.

I salute you good sir! Only you could possibly have the cool levels needed to bump a seven year old thread! I at most bumped a five year old one, and that wasn't even here :)

The dude abides

(by the way, since you're a PhD at a Canadian Uni, could you give me an estimate at how long it would take for American M1A2s to steamroll into Toronto :)? )

[NimDod]

also, once IAF knocked out Soviet radar stations (using drones) and neutralized egyptian SAM umbrellas, Egyptian army was toast. There are still burned out hulks of Egyptian T-55s all over the Sinai.

I dont want to continue revival of a 7 year old thread, but I'm afraid you mixed Yom Kippur with the 1982 war against Syria/PLO in Lebanon.
in 1973, The Egyptian SAM umbrellas were mostly destroyed by ground forces who crossed the cannal.
the use of drones (mostly as fake targets) to knocked out Soviet radar stations was done in 1982 aginst the Syrian air defence.

[IconOfEvi]

No he's not, drones were used in the Yom Kippur War, as targets. As to how much they contributed to the SAM destruction, it at least enabled corridors for F-4s and the like to use Shirke missiles.

[Connaught Ranger]

Even at 7 years old ya just gatta lurv this bit:-


I say to Israel that Egypt is capable of defeating Israel — yesterday, today and tomorrow — and it is this that leads the Israelis to dedicate a prayer every day to the death and destruction of all Egyptians. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Harofl

[rgjbloke]

Has anybody told the Israeli's this baaaad!! news. I don't think they know!

[michael63000]

You must be quite young, good sirs. I'd suggest revising your post once again. Sorry about bumping this 7 year old thread, but look at the bright side, at least I gave you an accurate, western and non-biased opinion on the war.

@IconofEvi: It depends on the location of the M1A2's so let's say American M1A2's where steaming at full power from Buffalo to Toronto (not realistic, but an example). Let's say the M1A2 is going at around 50kmph and the distance is around 160km. That would mean it would take ~ 3 hours and 10 minutes for American M1A2's stationed near Buffalo to make it to Toronto. They could always use a better tactic though. Like moving APC's and infantry to clear a path for trucks or trains (mobile, like WW1 British Mobile Trains) carrying tanks to move up, thus speeding up the process of invasion and making it more efficient. Tanks aren't too good against Infantry.

@crush6655: I'm sorry crush, but you're Israeli, and this is a war between Israel and Egypt. I doubt you know the right information, I also doubt Egyptians do either. So I'm trying to be non-bias, since Israeli's will support Israel and Egyptians will support Egypt. You can't say Israel won the war because the Israel lost land at the beginning of the war which they did not recover by the ceasefire, and they made up for it by squeezing between the two armies' weak point and taking land virtually unopposed. Unless we come to a conclusion that it was literally a draw, a tie, a stalemate, then this "Who won the Yom Kippur War" "Egypt did" "No Israel did" will go on forever, seriously ;-):roll:

@T-5 Killer: Hmm, that's very nice to hear, thank you for sharing that.

[squidO]

I gave you an accurate, western and non-biased opinion on the war.
And what makes your personal opinion "accurate, western and non-biased "?
p-)

[tanks_alot]

Instead of bumping and posting in a pointless seven year old thread, how about posting in the active Yum Kippur war thread (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?68771-Yum-Kippur-War)?

[LineDoggie]

Tanks arent too good against Infantry?

Really? tell that to the Infantry at the Meuse in 40, and the hundreds of incidents since then all over the world.

[b0sco]

Tanks arent too good against Infantry?

Really? tell that to the Infantry at the Meuse in 40, and the hundreds of incidents since then all over the world.

What do you know, it's not like you were in the military or something! Leave it to the analysts at the universities!






Oh wait... p-)

[michael63000]

What do you know, it's not like you were in the military or something! Leave it to the analysts at the universities!






Oh wait... p-)

No, I'm just saying that Infantry would be better against Infantry rather than tanks against Infantry. There's no reason to charge tanks at Infantry carrying Anti-Tank missiles. Look what happened from October 6-8.

[michael63000]

And what makes your personal opinion "accurate, western and non-biased "?
p-)

I'm not Arab, I'm not Israeli, I'm a Canadian, who's not on either side, and Canada is a western Country. You guys really treat new people with disrespect.

[Octavariable]

I'm not Arab, I'm not Israeli, I'm a Canadian, who's not on either side, and Canada is a western Country. You guys really treat new people with disrespect.

For a newbie bumping up old threads, you sure have a varied topic choice.

[RoyB]

You guys really treat new people with disrespect.
Gimme your lunch money, earthworm!

[shelata]

I'm sorry crush, but you're Israeli, and this is a war between Israel and Egypt. I doubt you know the right information, I also doubt Egyptians do either I am against generalizations. It is a not a must that being an Israeili shall lead to a biased analysis for the war results & the same if you were an Egyptian. Deep knowledge / analysis of the war targets, combat orders & the war outcome would lead to the right conclusion.
Yet, I would agree with you regarding the limited knowledge that has been verified by this thread Israeili members. Cases of mixing between the war phases or events or charactors or even armies are stated frequently (few know the difference between the 2nd & 3rd EG armies). Most of them can not refer to a sound war book or a reputable war historian.
Their posts are full with the usual superiority propaganda trash that was published in the quick media means as part of the propaganda wars.
I doubt that names like ( Obellance, Hertzog, Gawrich, Trevor Dupuy,David Al aazer, Gonien, Zeira, Mendler, Bar leve, Wiesman, Dani Mat, Eitan, Shazli, Gamasy, Abd Reb al Neby Havez, Wassel, Saad Memoon ) would ring any bell.
Laying good jokes or proving sense of humor would not shield the lack of knowledge.

[GiladS]

@crush6655: I'm sorry crush, but you're Israeli, and this is a war between Israel and Egypt.

This is news to me, I always thought this war involved Syria as well p-)

I'm well aware that you are referring to the southern front but one has to take into consideration that Israel was fighting on two fronts.

On the northern front gainst Syria Israel recovered all captured territory and advanced into Syria itself with IDF forces stopping some 40km from Damascus (correct me if I'm wrong). From this aspect Israel had a decisive military victory.

Now I agree with your point of view that there was no real and decisive victory on the southern front and most Israelis and especially those who took part in war (like my father) will also agree on this.

Of course among the Egyptian population this doesn't seem to be the case at all (it is celebrated as a major victory).

However when looking back in retrospect, the Yom Kippur War broke the mindset within the Egyptian regime of not negotiating directly with Israel and of not obligating to a land for peace agreement (as specified by the Khartoum Resolution). It also brought Egypt to become a U.S ally and cease to be a Soviet sponsored state.

There are various aspects and view points one must consider when relating to this conflict.

[IDF_TANKER]

I am against generalizations. It is a not a must that being an Israeili shall lead to a biased analysis for the war results & the same if you were an Egyptian. Deep knowledge / analysis of the war targets, combat orders & the war outcome would lead to the right conclusion.
Yet, I would agree with you regarding the limited knowledge that has been verified by this thread Israeili members. Cases of mixing between the war phases or events or charactors or even armies are stated frequently (few know the difference between the 2nd & 3rd EG armies). Most of them can not refer to a sound war book or a reputable war historian.
Their posts are full with the usual superiority propaganda trash that was published in the quick media means as part of the propaganda wars.
I doubt that names like ( Obellance, Hertzog, Gawrich, Trevor Dupuy,David Al aazer, Gonien, Zeira, Mendler, Bar leve, Wiesman, Dani Mat, Eitan, Shazli, Gamasy, Abd Reb al Neby Havez, Wassel, Saad Memoon ) would ring any bell.
Laying good jokes or proving sense of humor would not shield the lack of knowledge.

Oh, Wow... rofl

Listen, man, I'll tell you this with all possible honesty - there is virtually no single post you make, which doesn't make an impression of a person living deeply in his own fantasy world, on a scale bordering with clinic schizophrenia. As most of the Egyptian members on this forum (yes, as you see, I'm also against generalizations).

[3rdMillhouse]

And what makes your personal opinion "accurate, western and non-biased "?
p-)

Cause he's awesome, that why. p-)

[Octavariable]

Pour a tad of oil on frying pan so it will only just cover the whole thing
pour one cup of corn kernels.
High heat on stove until popping sounds.
Medium heat until no more popping.
Take pan off stove.
Pour to bowl, add salt.

Anyone wants popcorn?

[shelata]

there is virtually no single post you make, which doesn't make an impression of a person living deeply in his own fantasy world, on a scale bordering with clinic schizophrenia.I would appreciate if you may confirm your survey results with some examples. I do not know the features of what you define as a fantasy world !! I would assume that you are referring to wrong events or analysis that were included in my posts. I do not remeber any debate with you regarding any such posts. Help me with any example, if you are serious.

[~Berdan]

I am against generalizations. It is a not a must that being an Israeili shall lead to a biased analysis for the war results & the same if you were an Egyptian. Deep knowledge / analysis of the war targets, combat orders & the war outcome would lead to the right conclusion.
Yet, I would agree with you regarding the limited knowledge that has been verified by this thread Israeili members. Cases of mixing between the war phases or events or charactors or even armies are stated frequently (few know the difference between the 2nd & 3rd EG armies). Most of them can not refer to a sound war book or a reputable war historian.


You were doing actually good until this,sik kafal:


Their posts are full with the usual superiority propaganda trash that was published in the quick media means as part of the propaganda wars.

You have no idea what Israeli papers even look like.You have no idea what they say.You haven't touched one,ever.You don't know how to read hebrew,and WTF is quick media?
"I am against generalizations"...OH MY GOD,couple of lines later you are dropping the biggest Generalization bomb,like EVA...Here is one,ever wondered why no one likes you arabs?Cause you are full of **** like this.

Also


Laying good jokes or proving sense of humor would not shield the lack of knowledge.

This thread is seven years old,possibly the biggest resurrection ever sense Jesus almighty himself.Cause some guy just had to say he is such a cool guy.And to whom?To bunch of people who don't post here for several years now.And most of them jocking here are not even Israelis.Man,you are the typhoon of loose,the train of fail,earthquake of sadness.


So,can someone please decapitate this zombi of a thread,so we can all enjoy reading nostalgic stuff during search,and not getting confused by newcomers?

[shelata]

You have no idea what Israeli papers even look like.You have no idea what they say.You haven't touched one,ever.You have not the slightest proof of this. I would not bother inform you which Israeli papers, as you do not care.Just for your refrence, Israeli daily newspapers are translated & published on a monthly basis in Cairo . In addition, You may access any Israeli paper through its electronic Net version. You may read Jerusalem post, Debka files, Isracast, Arutz shaeva & Haaretz english versions on an houlry basis.
There is no need to learn Hebrew to prove that Debkfile is a trash newspaper or that Camera site is edited by propagandanists.


I am against generalizations"...OH MY GOD,couple of lines later you are dropping the biggest Generalization bomb,like EVA...Here is one,ever wondered why no one likes you arabs?Cause you are full of **** like this. Your words are full of racial love for the Arabs. Enjoy it.


Man,you are the typhoon of loose,the train of fail,earthquake of sadness. How could you collect all of these information about me!!


So,can someone please decapitate this zombi of a thread,so we can all enjoy reading nostalgic stuff during search,and not getting confused by newcomers? Your words are sound verification of my post described level of debate.

[GiladS]

There is no need to learn Hebrew to prove that Debkfile is a trash newspaper or that Camera site is edited by propagandanists.


Problem is that Debka isn't a newspaper but a website/blog... also the CAMERA website is based in Boston.

Major fail.

[~Berdan]

Problem is that Debka isn't a newspaper but a website/blog... also the CAMERA website is based in Boston.

Major fail.

That is a major fail,isn't it?
All salute to Major Fail!!Attention!

[RoyB]

Jesus, relax guys.
Let this thread die.

[Yeah_Really]

Israeli daily newspapers are translated & published on a monthly basis in Cairo .

I don't follow.

[shelata]

Problem is that Debka isn't a newspaper but a website/blog... also the CAMERA website is based in Boston.
Major fail. You have taken my words out of context for clear reasons. Debka & Camera were named as sources of israel right wing biased trash & propaganda sources. Thier addresses or publishing mode were not addressed as these would not alter thier role or nature. Anyone can easily access them here:-
http://www.debka.com/
http://www.camera.org/

[GiladS]

You have taken my words out of context for clear reasons.

How exactly did I take you words out of context?

Debka isn't a nespaper and CAMERA isn't even based in Israel.

Learn to admit your mistakes buddy.

[shelata]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by shelata http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5073387#post5073387) Israeli daily newspapers are translated & published on a monthly basis in Cairo .

I don't follow. The egyptian Al Ahram agency, translate the daily published Hebrew newspapers like Maarieve or Bedyout Ahronout & collect their daily prints in one monthly published book. This book series is published since 1972 in Arabic. Interested Arabic readers would easily trace the daily Israeili issues from many sources in addition to the Al Ahram published periodic book.

[Yeah_Really]

The egyptian Al Ahram agency, translate the daily published Hebrew newspapers like Maarieve or Bedyout Ahronout & collect their daily prints in one monthly published book. This book series is published since 1972 in Arabic. Interested Arabic readers would easily trace the daily Israeili issues from many sources in addition to the Al Ahram published periodic book. [/INDENT]

Thanks for clarifying.

[IconOfEvi]

I'm not Arab, I'm not Israeli, I'm a Canadian, who's not on either side, and Canada is a western Country. You guys really treat new people with disrespect.

Thats because you came in like a typical (yes) smug asshole from Toronto.