Hotel strike

[Kingpin]

It seems this is a part of Grad MRLS inside.

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=451131

Sorry, i posted it in wrong thread :|

[REMOV]

It seems this is a part of Grad MRLS inside.No, it is not. This is homemade rocket launcher 68/80mm. The upper 20-tube launcher is 68mm (IMO French SNEB missile, probably from one of Iraqis Alouette helicopter) and the lower one is 80mm also 20-tube launcher (IMO Russian S-8 missiles).

[One?]

They said they were Katyousha rockets.

[REMOV]

They said they were Katyousha rockets.So, "they" were wrong ;)

[Uncle Chô]

The upper 20-tube launcher is 68mm (IMO French SNEB missile, probably from one of Iraqis Alouette helicopter)
REMOV, the Alouette III were not able to carry any rocket launcher, only SS-11 anti-tank missiles in the mid-70s. You might be right with the 68mm pod, but this would have come from the Matra F1 or F4 rocket launchers that were eventually purchased in the 80s during the Iran-Iraq war.

This nasty launching technic reminds me of the method the IRA used in Belfast. Hidding home-made launching pipes inside a civilian truck and firing at a British military post -downtown.

I think this is really bad how the operating mode is going more and more sophisticated :(

[REMOV]

REMOV, the Alouette III were not able to carry any rocket launcher, only SS-11 anti-tank missiles in the mid-70s. Check your sources again, ok? ;)


Source: http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/army/airborne/alloue.html
In the assault role, the Alouette III can be equipped with a wide range of weapons. A 7.62 mm AA52 machine gun (with 1,000 rounds) can be mounted athwartships on a tripod behind the pilot's seat, firing to starboard, either through a small window in the sliding door or through the open doorway with the door locked open. The rear seat is removed to allow the gun mounting to be installed. In this configuration, maximum accommodation is for pilot, co-pilot, gunner and one passenger, although normally only the pilot and gunner would be carried. Alternatively, a 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon (with 480 rounds) can be carried on an open turret-type mounting on the port side of the cabin. For this installation all seats except that of the pilot are removed, as is the port side cabin door, and the crew consists of pilot and gunner. Instead of these guns, the Alouette III can be equipped with four AS 11 or two AS 12 wire-guided missiles on external jettisonable launching rails, with an APX-Bezu 260 gyrostabilised sight, or 68 mm rocket pods.


Source: http://saffire8291.blowsearch.ws/sa_316.htm#SA%20319B%20Alouette%20III%20Astazou
Payload:

Internal: (SA 319B) Provision is made for a magazine or belt-fed 20 mm cannon (MG151/20 with 480 rounds or M621 with 350 rounds) or a 7.62 mm (0.3 in) machine-gun with 1,000 rounds.

External: (SA 319B) Up to 750 kg (1,653 lb.) can be carried as an externally slung load. If fitted with external pylons, the type can be used to carry 68 mm (2.68 in) unguided rockets, or up to four wire-guided air-surface missiles (AS.11 or AS.12). The naval variants can carry up to two Mk 44 or Mk 46 torpedoes.

[Uncle Chô]

REMOV, my source is that I haven't seen a single photo evidence in the last 20 years :roll:

Don't trust the media ;)

:roll: The sources you've posted originate from the Sud Aviation (now Eurocopter) advertising catalog about 30 years ago ! The Alouette rockets weaponery may have been early tested for advertising and evaluation purposes but never used in operations.

Only SS-12/SS-12 and GPMs were used.

I want a photo evidence of an operational Alouette III armed with rocket launchers !!

Up to you :D

[He219]

A better view for you guys. :D

http://photo.worldnews.com/PhotoArchive//uploads/2003/10/28/uploaded-37842_large.jpg

Brig. Gen. Martin Dempsey of the 1st Armored Division said the attackers welded together a 40-pod launcher that held both 68mm and 85mm artillery rockets. Between eight and 10 struck the hotel, and 11 never left their tubes. The division commander said the insurgent operation required "some reconnaissance and some rehearsal," and possibly two months' preparation. The device was not sophisticated -- "a science project in a garage with a welder and a battery and a handful of wires" -- but it was effective, he said. The general said his troops had to disarm ****y-trap explosives attached to the trailer before towing it away.
(By CHARLES J. HANLEY AP Special Correspondent) (http://new.blackvoices.com/news/nationworld/ats-ap_top10oct26,0,32365.story?coll=sns-ap-topnews)

One, Katyusha rockets were fired in Kirkuk (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20031028/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_us_attack_kirkuk_031028204522).

Edit: Trailer info

[One?]

A better view for you guys. :D

http://photo.worldnews.com/PhotoArchive//uploads/2003/10/28/uploaded-37842_large.jpg


One, Katyusha rockets were fired in Kirkuk (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20031028/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_us_attack_kirkuk_031028204522).

SO they were fired somewhere in Iraq. Thank you he219

[Royal]

Katyusha is a generic name used by the uneducated media for any Warsaw Pact multiple rocket system - just 'cos the media reports that a policeman says it was one doesn't mean it was.

As far as Alouette III's with rockets - I'm pretty sure the Rhodesian Light Infantry used them in the late '70's - these would have been a localy made, rather than a Sud Aviation (or other French) munition, due to the arms embargo.

PIRA used this tactic in many places other than Belfast - there was an attack on 10 Downing Street for a start. They also very kindly sent 3 experts to train the FARC in Columbia in the technique (fortunately, despite the best efforts of Sin Fein they are still in custody there) - there's a than-you for all the money donated to NorAid and other IRA fronts by naive US citizens :cantbeli:

[96B]

How would the rockets have been ignited? I have seen pictures of Afghanis using car batteries etc could this be something similar?

[One?]

How would the rockets have been ignited? I have seen pictures of Afghanis using car batteries etc could this be something similar?

A car battery should ignite those missiles.

[He219]

How would the rockets have been ignited? I have seen pictures of Afghanis using car batteries etc could this be something similar?
They look like batteries to me...
http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=451133

U.S. Army soldiers remove devices out of a trailer parked near a park not far from Baghdad's Al Rasheed Hotel early Sunday, Oct 26, 2003, after six rockets where reportedly fired from this vehicle into the hotel earlier.

Brig. Gen. Martin Dempsey of the 1st Armored Division said the attackers welded together a 40-pod launcher that held both 68mm and 85mm artillery rockets. Between eight and 10 struck the hotel, and 11 never left their tubes. The division commander said the insurgent operation required "some reconnaissance and some rehearsal," and possibly two months' preparation. The device was not sophisticated -- "a science project in a garage with a welder and a battery and a handful of wires" -- but it was effective, he said. The general said his troops had to disarm ****y-trap explosives attached to the trailer before towing it away.
(By CHARLES J. HANLEY AP Special Correspondent)


:D

[Seoulstriker]

How would the rockets have been ignited? I have seen pictures of Afghanis using car batteries etc could this be something similar?
They look like batteries to me...
http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=451133

U.S. Army soldiers remove devices out of a trailer parked near a park not far from Baghdad's Al Rasheed Hotel early Sunday, Oct 26, 2003, after six rockets where reportedly fired from this vehicle into the hotel earlier.

Brig. Gen. Martin Dempsey of the 1st Armored Division said the attackers welded together a 40-pod launcher that held both 68mm and 85mm artillery rockets. Between eight and 10 struck the hotel, and 11 never left their tubes. The division commander said the insurgent operation required "some reconnaissance and some rehearsal," and possibly two months' preparation. The device was not sophisticated -- "a science project in a garage with a welder and a battery and a handful of wires" -- but it was effective, he said. The general said his troops had to disarm ****y-trap explosives attached to the trailer before towing it away.
(By CHARLES J. HANLEY AP Special Correspondent)


:D

kudos, he219. you cracked the nut. :)

[He219]

Notice the ZZtop Sec Ops guy...


:P

[Seoulstriker]

Notice the ZZtop Sec Ops guy...


:P

does he have a really long beard? my monitor contrast isn't too high.