US Army Threatening to Shoot PSD Teams in Iraq's IZ

[moughoun]

From an unnamed source


US Army Threatening to Shoot PSD Teams in Iraq's IZ

Military Police are very close to shooting drivers that fail to follow security measures for tier one IIG officials in the International Zone.

The Military Police providing escort to the Prime Minister and four other Tier1 IIG officials are finding more and more vehicles running their blocking positions. Many of the vehicles are part of motorcades carrying other VIPs who do not feel they need to stop for the U.S. Army Military Police. This situation is extremely dangerous. The Military Police conducting these duties have been extremely professional in their execution of the blockades and have tried to minimize the duration and impact to traffic.

The aggressive driving and continuous disregard for the blockades by unprofessional motorc! ades and individuals is making it extremely difficult for the Military Police to determine whether or not there is a threat. All need to understand that deadly force is authorized if the Military Police feel that an oncoming vehicle is a threat to the tier one officials or themselves. The importance of their mission to protect the Tier 1 IIG officials is taken very seriously.

So far we are very fortunate that motorcades failing to adhere to Military Police have not been killed. Please avoid the potential fratricide by complying with US Military Police instructions while driving inside the green zone. Please spread the word.

1st Cavalry Division,
Baghdad, Iraq




Just to say, I got this off of Lightfighter.com, I do not know how accurate it is, the guy who posted it, seem's to be well known there and a lot of the military/LEO guy's there have put faith in it, so I thought people here would like to take a look

[usbabmc]

Can't the MPs simply build a gate at the checkpoint to deter the VIP convoys from simply driving through? I have no idea of their security layout but it seems like a better idea than just shooting holes in them. Granted security is important but lets use our heads!

[Aerosoul]

Can't the MPs simply build a gate at the checkpoint to deter the VIP convoys from simply driving through? I have no idea of their security layout but it seems like a better idea than just shooting holes in them. Granted security is important but lets use our heads!

Use our heads, yes! What a magnificent idea! But the VIPs gotta be checked too, IMO. We can't let people slip through just cause they're "special." What is security with loopholes?

[usbabmc]

Can't the MPs simply build a gate at the checkpoint to deter the VIP convoys from simply driving through? I have no idea of their security layout but it seems like a better idea than just shooting holes in them. Granted security is important but lets use our heads!

Use our heads, yes! What a magnificent idea! But the VIPs gotta be checked too, IMO. We can't let people slip through just cause they're "special." What is security with loopholes?

I agree with you completely. Maybe I wasn't clear: build a gate and then the VIPs must stop.

Note to self: Proof read prior to posting! :cantbeli:

[PrincessRAR]

Im in 100% agreeance with the Mp's.

They are the army not the PSD teams.

[Jedburgh]

Can't the MPs simply build a gate at the checkpoint to deter the VIP convoys from simply driving through?
Read a bit more closely:

The Military Police providing escort to the Prime Minister and four other Tier1 IIG officials are finding more and more vehicles running their blocking positions.
Notice the so-called PSDs mentioned are running temporary blocking positions that MPs establish at intersections to halt traffic in order to permit safe, unimpeded passage of the Tier 1 motorcade. Of course there's no gates, no drop arm barriers, no checkpoint, no established ECP. When the blocking position is established nobody is supposed to pass until after the motorcade has sped by and is on its way to the next position....

[SocScout]

they better learn quick, or find out the hard way. :(

[Argyll]

The information is accurate! Problem is it's State Dept PSD's who are not adhering to the MP's requests,these PSD's cut everyone up inside the IZ,read into this what you wish!

[Flagg]

The information is accurate! Problem is it's State Dept PSD's who are not adhering to the MP's requests,these PSD's cut everyone up inside the IZ,read into this what you wish!

Now that would be embarrassing......some official "big swinging richard" getting hit blue on blue for arrogance above and beyond their pay grade.

Assuming I'm reading between the lines correctly and not dyslexic ;)

[gruntsuck]

Guys i totally agree that Psd teams probably should stop for MP checkpoints. But consider this it is not unheard of that the insurgents have captured coalition equipment and have laid a well disguised ambush. They also like to paint their vehicles to resemble iraqi police vehicles as well to get closer to ambushing you. When travelling speed is our friend so i can see the reason they would do such a thing. In saying that though running a military block of any sort u r putting urself in harms way any how. Lose Lose situation. Just lucky that the MP's have been switched on and not given them something to think about.

[dunkin]

I can see the MPs point. Some of these "PSDs" do what they want when the come flying into the compound, thinking that they are to important to stop, but on the other hand they are too lazy, or just don't care and leave their vehicles unattended while off post. I can remember one such occasion where a PSD team, I won’t mention who, got almost to one of the gate and an IED exploded. At first it was thought that it was a road side bomb, until further investigation found that is was placed under their vehicle. It was assumed that the IED was meant to go off inside the compound, but the timing was off, and it was determined that the PSD team had left their vehicle unattended for about 30 minutes.

[garyfanclub]

When our boys are at risk, I say shoot first, ask questions later. There is no reason why they should not be stopping at the checkpoints. No excuses, rules are rules, don't abide and you'll find yourself with new air conditioning, paid for by the US Army.

[usbabmc]

I still say build an actual physical barrier like a gate. It would be better for an ambush/IED to occur at the barrier/gate than within the secured compound. Sure the MPs lives would be on the line while checking vehicles but when I was an MP that was something we accepted. This can be debated to death but the solution is simple.

[Jedburgh]

...it was determined that the PSD team had left their vehicle unattended for about 30 minutes.
Yup. With some of these so-called "PSDs" its amateur day at the circus. Some contractors will take any group of guys with a bit of gun time, stick plugs in their ears and call'em a PSD - no matter that their background is as door-kickers and they have no clue as to the real requirements of protecting the Principal.

I still say build an actual physical barrier like a gate. It would be better for an ambush/IED to occur at the barrier/gate than within the secured compound. Sure the MPs lives would be on the line while checking vehicles but when I was an MP that was something we accepted. This can be debated to death but the solution is simple.
usbabmc, you're still not paying attention. The problem under discussion isn't at fixed checkpoints or ECPs. It is at temporary blocking positions that the MPs establish to secure intersections that a Tier 1 motorcade will cross on their route of travel. By running these positions, the PSDs under discussion are not only in danger of coming under fire from the MPs, but they could T-bone into the Tier 1 motorcade as it crosses the intersection at speed. The MPs definitely need to refine their TTPs, as they could set up their blocking positions more effectively - firing up the idiots should still be a last resort.

[Argyll]

That company is also a reputable company which made it even more embarrasing!!,and having been in the same location they left,I know for a fact that it still happens!(unattended vehicles)

usbabmc this is happening inside the IZ.formerly known as the green zone!

The PSD's who think they don't need to adhere to the US Military are mostly US companies!!

[Jedburgh]

...I know for a fact that it still happens!(unattended vehicles)
Argyll, unattended vehicles is one thing - unfortunately, some times its unavoidable. But putting your people back in said unattended vehicles without conducting a thorough IED check is quite another. Despite all that's occurred and still occurring, some still get complacent in the IZ.

[usbabmc]

Argyll, Jedburgh thanks for setting me straight. A completely different circumstance than I was thinking.