Hizbullah attacks IDF posts in Mnt. Dov

[citizen-k]

http://rotter.net/User_files/forum/3f9d259c66aa748d.jpg

bad quality, but this is the area called "shabaa farms"...

Those pic were taken minutes ago, during the attack.

http://www.*******.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=3696080[/url]

[He219]

Just to fix that link ;)

http://www.*******.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=3696080

Nice picture, citizen-k!

Keep us posted.

[citizen-k]

Well, I said "those pics" in the first post, so I'll add the rest (not much to see though)

http://rotter.net/User_files/forum/3f9d257f6603632d.jpg

http://rotter.net/User_files/forum/3f9d2592668fd12b.jpg

http://rotter.net/User_files/forum/3f9d25ad66f98787.jpg

[citizen-k]

And the IDF's artillery and IAF response:

http://rotter.net/User_files/forum/3f9d2b5d0242ad69.jpg

http://rotter.net/User_files/forum/3f9d2b6702998907.jpg

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[One?]

Its just to mark the begining of Ramadan nothing much. So how much will that cost the IDF to rebuild?

[AirZone]

Its just to mark the begining of Ramadan nothing much. So how much will that cost the IDF to rebuild?

I wonder what will happen if we will shell lebanon each time we have a jewish holiday :roll:

[UoUo]

Part of the Great humanty of the Muslim "freedom fighters".

[He219]

citizen-k, do you live that close and did you snap those pictures?



From off the wires.....

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=451840

Smokes billow after an Israeli air raid on the outskirts of villages near the Israeli Chebaa Farms, south Lebanon, Monday Oct. 27, 2003. Hezbollah guerrillas shelled Israeli positions in a disputed southern Lebanese border area for the first time in two months, triggering Israeli airstrikes and artillery fire, security officials said. (AP Photo/Lutfallah Daher)

[IDFM203]

Its just to mark the begining of Ramadan nothing much.No, they were following their masters in Syria who told them to do this pathetic attack as if to somehow show they aren’t as incompetent as we all know they are.

This is all their work because they don’t dare attack Israel in response to Israeli jets flying over ASSads palace rofl and targeting a terrorist camp in Syria.


The Syrian "army" rofl rofl rofl rofl

[ArmoredDov_D9]

Its just to mark the begining of Ramadan nothing much. So how much will that cost the IDF to rebuild?

Why Arab inssist on celebrating their holidays by trying to murder people and blow things up?

[citizen-k]

citizen-k, do you live that close and did you snap those pictures?



From off the wires.....

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=451840

Smokes billow after an Israeli air raid on the outskirts of villages near the Israeli Chebaa Farms, south Lebanon, Monday Oct. 27, 2003. Hezbollah guerrillas shelled Israeli positions in a disputed southern Lebanese border area for the first time in two months, triggering Israeli airstrikes and artillery fire, security officials said. (AP Photo/Lutfallah Daher)

I lived there until I left in favour of the academic life, today I live in "the city of the flying restaurants" aka Haifa...

My parents still live there and I will be there in a few hours (election day, and I'm voting woot )

Those pics were taken by someone who lives in the area and were posted by him im an Israeli forum.

Hopefully I will manage to bring back some pictures myself of the region - Mnt. Hermon etc...

[He219]

Thanks for sharing those pic's, citizen-k. :D

News direct from the source is much appreciated.....


More relevant photos:

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=451855

An Israeli soldier runs next to an Israeli Phantom fighter plane at an air force base in central Israel Monday, Oct. 27, 2003 during a photo opportunity organized by the air force. (AP Photo/Eitan Hess-Ashkenazi)

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=451914

Israeli soldiers man a tank in Chebaa Farms, a disputed area on the border between Israel and Lebanon, Monday Oct. 27, 2003. On Monday afternoon, Hezbollah gunners shelled two Israeli army posts in the disputed border area, the first such attack in nearly three months. Israeli fighter planes and artillery attacked suspected Hezbollah positions in response. (AP Photo/Ancho Gosh)

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=451956

An Israeli tank is seen as the sun sets on the Chebaa Farms, a disputed area on the border between Israel and Lebanon, Monday Oct. 27, 2003. On Monday afternoon, Hezbollah gunners shelled two Israeli army posts in the disputed border area, the first such attack in nearly three months. Israeli fighter planes and artillery attacked suspected Hezbollah positions in response. The Chebaa Farms is uninhabited farmland on the foothills of Mt. Hermon that Lebanon, backed by Syria, claims as its own. Israel captured the territory when its forces seized Syria's Golan Heights in the 1967 Middle East war. (AP Photo/Ancho Gosh)

[One?]

IDF hahaahha thats halarious masters in syria eh? Did you know that hezbollah and the syrian army fought for over 2 years? But ya they still get weapons from syria but that doesn't mean syria controls them.


There was supposed to be a prisoner exchange last week, but for some reason it did not happen. So Hezbollah hit the northern bases to remind Israel that they are still there.




Why Arab inssist on celebrating their holidays by trying to murder people and blow things up?

Why do you celebrate July 4th with fireworks?


And Israel did not drop a bomb outside the occupied territory, so that only means they are afraid of the consequences.

[jdbjdb]

Bashar Assad thinks that Israel and The United States is playing around here, if Assad doesn't put his Hezbollah thugs back on their lesh, he's going to wish he had.

[FallenAngel]

There was supposed to be a prisoner exchange last week, but for some reason it did not happen. So Hezbollah hit the northern bases to remind Israel that they are still there.

Maybe the murders of three Israeli soldiers in their sleep had something to do with that...



Why Arab inssist on celebrating their holidays by trying to murder people and blow things up?

Why do you celebrate July 4th with fireworks?

fireworks are suppose to be symbolic of the revolutionary war. That's a far cry from a terrorist attacking civilians.



And Israel did not drop a bomb outside the occupied territory, so that only means they are afraid of the consequences.

Well, technically speaking, they are well within their rights to bomb the hell out of their own country all they want (Gaza and the West Bank are still technically part of Israel since any-wannabe Palestinian state there doesn't have soveriegnty.) but bombing another country- however justifiable- is something else all together. Although for some reason, I really don't think that Israel is "afraid" of the consequences, I think they are mindful of them though- which is far more than I can say for any terroristi.
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[One?]

1)By the occupied terrirtory I might the shebaa farms. And no Israel has no right to bomb whoever they want they are not GOD.


2)And Hezbollah did not attack any civilians. They were IDF outposts on Lebanese soil.


3) For the 1000 time Syria does not control hezbollah.

[citizen-k]

1)By the occupied terrirtory I might the shebaa farms. And no Israel has no right to bomb whoever they want they are not GOD.


2)And Hezbollah did not attack any civilians. They were IDF outposts on Lebanese soil.


3) For the 1000 time Syria does not control hezbollah.

rofl

Who's controling Lebanon?

One, every post you add make the rest of your posts look more and more ridiculous.

As for 1, Occupied territories? when will you have enough of this silly game? We are talking about a very small area, nobody lives in, which was "occupied" from Syria. Using it as excuse for the recent attacks only proves whats Lebanon Syria and Hizbullah (Iran) real goal is - and it's not the end of the non-existing occupation.

Before the Lebanonian government runs to rescue those farms (its about 1*1km size) they should consider help SL people and deploy their army over there.

Please don't forget to add that the U.N DOES NOT think those farms are occupied and that they should not be returned to Lebanon.

[Andyman]

Oh arrogance is such a beautiful thing isnt it. I was talking to an old Muslim friend of mine yesterday, who actually just got back from the U.A.E and he was telling me that on Ramadan whatever act a Muslim does good their deed is multiplied by 100. And when they commit acts that are bad according to ISLAM their sin is multiplied by 100. So hey maybe some Muslims figure if they kill some non believers they will get extra browny poits for when they go to Muslim heaven. Weird, if you ask me. I mean it is clear that they are pissed off but when don't they vouch their anger by cleaning up the neighbourhood or helping their neighbours. My personal opinion is that the Muslim world is far to divided, they never work together in teams. Like my friend was saying that they have gangs and people who associate with members of their particualre group but they like shoot other Muslims, to steal their car or something rediculous. I mean how do they possibly expect to expel the Israellites if they can't even work together. Imagine fighting a war where your own troops randomly killed each other during the battle. It's like fighting on multiple fronts, eventually you will collapse. The Muslim world needs to unite and help each other to improve their quality of life over there. Then maybe if they focused on more important issues this whole Israel Palestine thing would eventually fade into history.

Just some thoughts

[Clay]

I was talking to an old Muslim friend of mine yesterday, who actually just got back from the U.A.E and he was telling me that on Ramadan whatever act a Muslim does good their deed is multiplied by 100. And when they commit acts that are bad according to ISLAM their sin is multiplied by 100. So hey maybe some Muslims figure of they kill some non believers they will get extra browny poits for when they go to Muslim heaven. oh man can't we just all get along. Don't you think if god hated nonbelievers he wouldnt have made them.

[Andyman]

oops I meant to edit my first point and i accidentally quoted it. What a retard

[IDFM203]

IDF hahaahha thats halarious masters in syria eh? rofl rofl hahah your right… and not only syria but also iran.

Think of hetballh as a little girl that takes orders from its mommy (Syria) and daddy(Iran) rofl rofl

I would just add to the hahaha that its also pretty sad and pathetic.

What utter weakness and crowdedness that Syria has displayed for all to see (again)


Did you know that hezbollah and the syrian army fought for over 2 years? oh but now they arm and train them. Yes that alleged war was really amongst enemies :roll: .

Whatever the case, the fact is that now Syria and Iran arm and train them and that translates into control.

Only a total fool would not understand that.!!



But ya they still get weapons from syria but that doesn't mean syria controls them. wow youl belive anything rofl … so Syria arms and trains them but yet doesn’t tell them what to do :roll: …..(again refer to my above sentences)



There was supposed to be a prisoner exchange last week, but for some reason it did not happen. So Hezbollah hit the northern bases to remind Israel that they are still there. first of all, the prisoner exchange had nothing to do with anything here.

Secondly they hit the north of Israel because their masters in Syria and Iran told them to do it for ASSad doesn’t dare do anything himself, because he is too weak so he uses hetabblh to use guerrilla tactics which is all he can do.

Why Arab inssist on celebrating their holidays by trying to murder people and blow things up?

Why do you celebrate July 4th with fireworks? wow :roll: ...and you want people to take you seriously when you compere Americans using fire work to cerebrate to Arabs killing man women and children?? :roll: .

You just prove to everyone what Israel is really facing :| .


And Israel did not drop a bomb outside the occupied territory, so that only means they are afraid of the consequences. no, Israel responded to that fire by directly hitting from where it was coming from.

Secondly, they aren’t afraid but rather playing things cautions. The one who are really ****ting in their pants is the Syrians who are fearful if Israel attacks again for they will even look more stupid and weak for not being able to do anything to Israel.

All they can do is send hetbbah and Islamic jihad (in the west bank) which just shows how weak and pathetic they are.


Shalom. :D

[Andyman]

IDF clearly has some devout emotional ties to this whole issue. By the way where do you get information to back up all those insinuations you just made. Oh and stating that you live in Israel doesnt count ;)

[IDFM203]

IDF clearly has some devout emotional ties to this whole issue. By the way where do you get information to back up all those insinuations you just made. Oh and stating that you live in Israel doesnt count ;)As for emotion, well Yes andyman, for once you’re a very astute fellow to realise that ;) oh and "one" is as well. Guess why??? because both of us are personally involved in this conflict.

As to where I get my information, well first I don’t think I need to explain where I get my information as an ex idf soldier and one who knows that region very well to some canadian weekend cadet here. I mean you don’t see me asking you where you get your information about your constant Canadian postings now do you???

I mean are you saying I made all this up?? If so please prove to me how.

secondly, what insituations???? If you disagree with something I write please point it out and show me how I am wrong.
I will listen I promse

oh and you stating I live in israel doesnt count is like me stating you live in canada doesnt count to your proof that it snows there.

oh and for the above response, I am chilled and relax so please don’t have a hissey fit and go off about how I am this and I am that for we heard it all already and it is pretty tiring and old now.ok?

(p.s. I thought you were avoiding me......well I gues not....oh well)

Shalom. :D

[Andyman]

Secondly, they aren’t afraid but rather playing things cautions. The one who are really ****ting in their pants is the Syrians who are fearful if Israel attacks again for they will even look more stupid and weak for not being able to do anything to Israel.

All they can do is send hetbbah and Islamic jihad (in the west bank) which just shows how weak and pathetic they are.

Ok I was just wondering how you knew this. And I'm not saying that you made anything up it was that last statement that caught my attention. Seeing as I know that you would never let anyone else get away with such comments about Israel. Peace

[IDFM203]

"All they can do is send hetbbah and Islamic jihad (in the west bank) which just shows how weak and pathetic they are. "/quote

Ok I was just wondering how you knew this. And I'm not saying that you made anything up it was that last statement that caught my attention. Seeing as I know that you would never let anyone else get away with such comments about Israel. Peace well all you had to do is point out what you had trouble with me saying. I have no probelm with that.

I have a problem with you acting all "smart allacy" and trying to be condescending towards me.

All you had to do was bring the above quote and question and I would be more then happy to address it in a serious way.

Now as for Syria’s control of hetballh and Islamic jihad.

Well I already went over hetballh for it is a fact that syria arms and trains them(heck even the Lebanese “One” admitted that) so its clear that they have control over them as well. besides Israel is not alone in the world who believes that.

(The same goes for islaimc jihad although on a lesser level of control. For a lot of the training is also done in the west bank and gaza and they get their arms from other sources as well and as such Syria has less control over them, although they do indeed have some)

So this proves that they do use them.

Secondly we see that all Syria does is act through hetvblh and other terror groups for even after Israel responded and attacked Syria the only response Israel got was from hetballah.

Listen if you ask it in a respectful way I will answer it in a respectful way but if you do your usual well I will respond as usual.

Shalom :D

[One?]

Hezbollah is not trained by the syrians. The special units (that infiltrate the outposts) are trained in Iran.

The support units are trained in lebanon. They learn how to use mortars, artillary and all that from the lebanese army. And if you serve in hezbollah (wether christian or muslim) then you don't have to serve in the lebanese army. So its almost like a detachment of the lebanese army, with better training.


And just because hamas and Islamic Jihad, and hezbollah have offices in Syria doesn't mean syria controls them. When they were found syria had nothing to do with it.


And Hezbollah attacked the outposts in the Sehbaa farms because Israel was supposed to hand over a list of the prisoners to be exchanged 25 days ago. Except they didn't. And also to show Israel that they are still here and can still resist if they wanna "****" around. Thats according to Hassan Nasrallah in today's speech. So what I predicted was true.

[He219]

I think Iran just uses Hezbollah to export it's firebrand views to Lebanon instead of the Lebanese exercizing their autonomy as One claims they have from Syria.

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=452708

Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, leader of Hezbollah guerrilla group speaks during an Iftar, or a gathering to break daylong fasting by Muslims during the holy month of Ramadan in Beirut, Lebanon, Tuesday, Oct. 28, 2003. Nasrallah said that his group is still committed to a prisoner swap with Israel. Hezbollah and Israel have been negotiating a prisoner exchange for more than five years, mostly through a German mediator. Hezbollah is believed to hold three Israeli soldiers and an Israeli businessman kidnapped in 2000. (AP Photo/Mahmoud Tawil)

citizen-k wrote:

Please don't forget to add that the U.N DOES NOT think those farms are occupied and that they should not be returned to Lebanon.

You probably are talking about the United Nations Security Council Resolution 425 that governes Israel's withdrawal from southern Lebanon excluding the Shebaa farms and based on the 1923 Anglo-French demarcation and the 1949 Armistice line which designate the area as Syrian territory.

Lebanese and Syrian officials insisted that Syria had officially given the territory to Lebanon in 1951. Lebanese army maps published in 1961 and 1966 specifically pinpoint several of the Shebaa Farms, including Zebdine, Fashkoul, Mougr Shebaa and Ramta, all of which are designated as being Lebanese. Lebanese Ministry of Tourism maps also show the Lebanese-Syrian border running west of the Shebaa Farms and officials point to the fact that a number of residents in the area have land deeds stamped by the Lebanese government. Syria has officially acknowledged the Farms are Lebanese.

Druze living in the Golan Heights however consider themselves Syrian and refuse to collaborate with the Israeli State. The UN looks at the Golan Heights and the Shebba Farms as 'disputed territory' between States of Israel and Syria. Kind of interesting...

So citizen-k, you are right that the UN doesn't consider the Shebba Farms as 'occupied territories', but do they really say Israel shouldn't give the Farms to either Lebanon or Syria? What is the Strategic Importance of the Farms; elevation like in the Golan Heights?

Thanks for your input.

:D

[One?]

Resolution 425 was never implemented :)

The shebaa farms are lebanese regarldes of the startegic importance. There is enough proof that the land is lebanese. The proof range from land ownership documents (stamped by the labenese government), and a US pipeline company that did studies back in the day in that area, and said that the land was lebanese. The UN never acnkowledged that the land is lebanese because syria did not officialy tell the UN that the land is lebanese.

The Israelis have several outpouts on the shebaa farms and they are basicaly for intel and survialance IMO (due to the high amount of antennas and radars). It also overlooks Mt. Hermon and the northern Israeli settlements.


Edit:

Since when does Israel listen to the UN? And since when does Israel implement UN resolutions?

[IDFM203]

Hezbollah is not trained by the syrians. that’s not ture. They are trained and financed and armed by both Syria and Iran

The special units (that infiltrate the outposts) are trained in Iran. special forces?!? rofl rofl infiltrating an out post one are two times in twenty years just tells you all you need to know of how “special” they are

The support units are trained in lebanon. yes with Syrian “military” advisers.

They learn how to use mortars, artillary and all that from the lebanese army. and from the Syrians as well.

And just because hamas and Islamic Jihad, and hezbollah have offices in Syria doesn't mean syria controls them. Syria and Iran does. They train them, they arm them and they fund them,. That equals to also controlling them

Again anyone who can’t see that obvious reality is a fool!!

Besides all that, most governments in the world do in fact acknowledge that reality.

When they were found syria had nothing to do with it. yes Syria did not start this group, but this group would not have grown nor would it have survived with out the numerous assistance from Syria and Iran.

And Hezbollah attacked the outposts in the Sehbaa farms because Israel was supposed to hand over a list of the prisoners to be exchanged 25 days ago well of course thats what they say. But the realty is that Syria told them to do it to show that it has some cards to play. Well actually only this one card (the gurllia one).

. Except they didn't. none of us here don’t really know what happened. I mean perhaps hetsballh wanted more then a thousand Arab prisoners for the three Israeli dead ones. I mean we have seen in the past where even one dead Jew is valued by them to be more then a thousand live Arabs

That just tells you how much they value their own lives and how much we value ours.

And also to show Israel that they are still here and can still resist if they wanna "f***" around. resist to what??? We are not occupying them.

And this is basically all they can do anyways.. wow p-)


Thats according to Hassan Nasrallah in today's speech. So what I predicted was true. lol yeah and I too predicted that he would say that. Boy how you will belive anything rofl .

Shalom :D

[One?]

IDF where exactly do you get your info? No seriously, like where did you get the "syrian advisors" from?

[IDFM203]

IDF where exactly do you get your info? No seriously, like where did you get the "syrian advisors" from?.
Oh please “one” tell me where you get your info that hetbllh receives no training from the Syrians.

When a nation (Syria) trains this group (as it is commonly known throughout the world) it does it with military advisers that do that. Is that clear.

Shalom :D

[One?]

Where do I know this information? Its simple lebanon's population is 3 million. These things spread in no time. Almost everyone knows what and where hezbollah trains its opertives. First after they are selected they undergo a 3 month period of religious teaching. After that they move onto basic training. And that takes place in lebanon somewhere in the north/ bekaa valley. And that is very well known and Israel knows that too, as they tried to bomb one of their camps in early 90's. Throught the 20 year struggle with Israel hezbollah has learned and developed its tactics. No one in the world can teach gurilla tactics, but the people who have been there and done that.

All instructors are veteran operatives and everyone knows that. The only foreign training they get is during paratrooper training (done in Iran) and all other CQB training wich is also done in Iran. Also because thats where people go to become Clerics. The only other place they can go to is Iraq but under saddam they will be killed.


Why Iran? Well when Khomeyni started the Islamic revolution a group from the Amal movement broke off and formed hezbollah. And since the revolution, Iran gave hezbollah arms, money and training. As in the Iranian constitution, it dictates that any muslim who is being supressed or occupied must be given all the tools to defend him/herself.


So syria has nothing to do with training. Hizballah has its own isntructors, so stop repeating what you hear on CNN and what the westerners keep saying.

[Mr. Nielsen]

It seems quite plausible that the Hizbollah has become one of the worlds most competent guerilla forces. Having learned the hard way, fighting against tough odds.

As for who controls them. Saying Iran or Syria controls them seems to be like saying the USA controls Israel because they give them weapons, money and training.

[IDFM203]

Where do I know this information? Its simple lebanon's population is 3 million. These things spread in no time. Almost everyone knows what and where hezbollah trains its opertives. First after they are selected they undergo a 3 month period of religious teaching. After that they move onto basic training. And that takes place in lebanon somewhere in the north/ bekaa valley. And that is very well known and Israel knows that too, as they tried to bomb one of their camps in early 90's. Throught the 20 year struggle with Israel hezbollah has learned and developed its tactics. No one in the world can teach gurilla tactics, but the people who have been there and done that.

All instructors are veteran operatives and everyone knows that. The only foreign training they get is during paratrooper training (done in Iran) and all other CQB training wich is also done in Iran. Also because thats where people go to become Clerics. The only other place they can go to is Iraq but under saddam they will be killed.


Why Iran? Well when Khomeyni started the Islamic revolution a group from the Amal movement broke off and formed hezbollah. And since the revolution, Iran gave hezbollah arms, money and training. As in the Iranian constitution, it dictates that any muslim who is being supressed or occupied must be given all the tools to defend him/herself.


So syria has nothing to do with training. Hizballah has its own isntructors, so stop repeating what you hear on CNN and what the westerners keep saying.yes all this is true for Iran as well as Syria. I am too tired to search every available link on the net but here is just one that quotes from the U.S. state department which is in agreement with most of the world as well."What terrorist groups has Syria supported?
Syria—along with Iran—gives the Lebanese militia Hezbollah “substantial amounts of financial, training, weapons, explosives, political, diplomatic, and organizational aid,” according to the State Department. Iranian arms bound for Hezbollah regularly pass through Syria, experts say. Syria, which has effectively occupied and controlled neighboring Lebanon since 1990, has also let Hezbollah operate in Lebanon and attack Israel, often ratcheting up regional tensions."


http://www.terrorismanswers.com/sponsors/syria.html

As for your western news comment. Well firstl,y you know that I am not watching cnn.
Secondly even if I were, it would be much better then watching your Arab news that has all of its reporters sounding like "bagdhad bob"

Ok heres from your “beloved cbc” (now there are much more sources but to list them would take up a lot of space and time)

“Hezbollah's still there, but Syria, which controls both Lebanon and Hezbollah, doesn't want any trouble, so the Lebanese-Israeli border should remain relatively quiet, especially if the expanded UN peacekeeping force is allowed to properly police the former "security zone". And the rest of south Lebanon should remain stable if the new Lebanese army is strong enough to take control.”

“That leaves one foreign army still occupying Lebanese soil. And there's no sign Syria's leaving any time soon”
“Lebanon is not master of its own home. And Syria will continue to pull the strings there until . . . well, until there's peace and security, domestically and regionally”
http://216.109.117.135/search/cache?p=hezbollah+training+in+syria+cbc&ei=UTF-8&n=20&fl=0&url=ZaAd6rGcubIJ:www.cbc.ca/news/background/middleeast/lebanon.html


shalom. :D

[IDFM203]

It seems quite plausible that the Hizbollah has become one of the worlds most competent guerilla forces. Having learned the hard way, fighting against tough odds. . I will certainly give hetballh some credit although I feel that if one were intellectually honest a lot of that credit will also go to Israel’s political government especially its left labour government that never really took the right measures to deal with them.




As for who controls them. Saying Iran or Syria controls them seems to be like saying the USA controls Israel because they give them weapons, money and training. actually yes its somewhat true on both accounts.

First of all before I get into it, I just want to make a correction in that Israel does not get any training from the U.S.

Now I went over this before so I will try to keep it simple.

Israel is a 100 billion a year economy and its spends 15 billion on defence. Now it gets three billion to help out in that. So as you see three billion is hardly an argument for full dependence,
But yes the U.S. does in fact get some control over what Israel does and that is strictly because of that money. Period.

Now hetbalh reliance on Syria and Iran is much much more then Israel’s on the U.S. and as such those powers retain more control.

With out Iran and Syria, hetballh could not exist, or at least it would never have become powerful in Lebanon. Not by a long shot.

Shalom. :D