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jdbjdb
10-27-2003, 07:11 PM
JEDDAH, 28 October 2003 — Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Asheikh, the Kingdom’s grand mufti, has urged Saudis to shun demonstrations, saying they were un-Islamic.

“Seeking to undermine security or destabilize Muslim lands is prohibited (in Islam) and a Muslim should not get involved in this,” the Saudi Press Agency quoted him as saying.

Muslims should not heed calls to demonstrate made by those seeking to instigate “strife,” said Al-Asheikh, the country’s highest religious authority.

Police have arrested a number of demonstrators in the past few weeks. “The country’s laws categorically ban gatherings for the purpose of demonstrations and protests. Those who participate in such gatherings will be punished,” a security source told Asharq Al-Awsat, a sister publication of Arab News.

An Interior Ministry spokesman said recently that 83 demonstrators had been arrested in Riyadh on Oct. 14 and would be sent to court for trial. He said 188 others arrested at the rally, held during an unprecedented human rights conference in the capital, were released after they were found to be bystanders.

“The 83, including three women, who were active participants in the gathering are being questioned and will be handed over to Shariah courts,” the spokesman said. “This group does not reflect the reality of Saudi society and their actions do not conform with our Islamic values,” the official added.

Police also arrested about 70 people after demonstrations in three cities last week. Five women were among some 50 people detained in Jeddah; another 13 were picked up in Hail, north of Riyadh, and at least 10 were arrested in Dammam, witnesses said.


It seems the Arabs don't like their people thinking on their own.

California Joe
10-27-2003, 07:19 PM
"Mufti" makes me giggle like Japanese schoolgirl.

What?

One?
10-27-2003, 09:16 PM
It seems the Arabs don't like their people thinking on their own.


Only in Saudi Arabia, demonstrations are not allowed.

jdbjdb
10-27-2003, 10:31 PM
I just don't see democracy ever working in arab countries including Iraq, of course the royal family wont ever let it come to that in The Kingdom. That royal family got some nice homes, no tv's allowed there but the royal family have movie theaters in their very large, expensive palaces. They have a good size coutnry with lots of jobs, why don't they allow the Palestinians into their country? We all know that the arabs could give a damn about the Palestinians and just use them for leverage against Israel.

One?
10-27-2003, 11:12 PM
First of all who said TV are not allowed? Second, if palestinians should leave israel because they can live in a different country why don't you go back to the country that you came from before immigrating to Israel?

Apogee
10-27-2003, 11:28 PM
It seems to me that some of the fundmental values of Islam and democracy are at odds. Such as Freedom of religon and freedom of assembly. I know these are very American values as well, but they seem very important to a healthy democracy. Maybe this has something to do with our problems over there.

jdbjdb
10-28-2003, 12:26 AM
First of all who said TV are not allowed?
I think it was abc news interview with one of the members of the royal family, I thought he said something about tv being banned, but come to think of it now I remember reading about Saudi tv's picking up **** channels, and the Royal Family weren't to happy with that. Are jewish people allowed to visit Saudi Arabia?

StarvingStudent47
10-28-2003, 01:54 AM
Let's see--the existing establishment in a non-democratic country doesn't want people organizing demonstrations against the existing establishment. And they say God is on their side.

Amazing. Just amazing. Never could have seen THAT one coming. :roll:

Kriz
10-28-2003, 04:01 AM
It seems to me that some of the fundmental values of Islam and democracy are at odds. Such as Freedom of religon and freedom of assembly. I know these are very American values as well, but they seem very important to a healthy democracy. Maybe this has something to do with our problems over there.

Those aren't American values but they are Greek values, our entire western way of thinking dates back to what the Greeks did long time ago. Everything else western countries have produced since then in terms of society, culture and science essentially dates back to them.
The islamical world never shared those changes and during the middle ages it didn't get much better, during colonial times it got even worse. And now with Israel and everything related, hence why they don't accept our way of thinking and hate us so much.

WARPIG
10-28-2003, 08:44 AM
I don't want to start a religious debate. First of all I don't have enough knowlegde to really talk about Islam. My picture of it so far is that even though it seems to be founded in peace and unity.. tolerence is not really an emerging topic. Peace and unity through discipline for Muslims only. The rest of us don't seem to be in the loop. The Muslims in our own country are very happy to keep to themselves. Not only are they anti government here in the US but very racial as well. I don't know any white Muslims. In contrast most Christian/Catholic like religions are more likely to try and convince as many people as they can to convert to their faith.

The mufti telling the Muslims not to demonstrate or rally might seem kind of anti democracy.. but who says they want that? Our values are not the same. Just based on religion alone we are extremely different. Most of us are in the dark about basic Muslim ideology. We will never be able to understand all the different interpretations of Islam and the way any individual or group will react to it.