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Seoulstriker
10-28-2003, 07:15 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,101451,00.html





WASHINGTON — Two contractors working for the CIA (search) were killed in an ambush in Afghanistan, the agency said Tuesday.

William Carlson, 43, of Southern Pines, N.C., and Christopher Glenn Mueller, 32, of San Diego, were "tracking terrorists operating in the region" of Shkin, a village in eastern Afghanistan, when they were killed Saturday, the CIA said in a statement.

Both were veterans of military special operations forces, the CIA said.

"William Carlson and Christopher Mueller were defined by dedication and courage," CIA Director George J. Tenet said in a statement. "Their sacrifice for the peoples of the United States and Afghanistan must never be forgotten."

The pair was working for the CIA's Directorate of Operations, which conducts clandestine intelligence-gathering and covert operations.

The CIA statement says the agency consulted with the dead officers' families and decided their names could be released without compromising ongoing operations.

They are the third and fourth CIA operatives that the agency has acknowledged have been killed in the line of duty since the Sept. 11 attacks.

The first, paramilitary officer Johnny Micheal Spann (search), was killed during an uprising of Taliban and Al Qaeda prisoners in northern Afghanistan on Nov. 25, 2001.

The second, Helge Boes (search), died in a training accident in eastern Afghanistan, on Feb. 5, 2003.

The area Carlson and Mueller were operating in is part of the remote mountainous region along the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan, where Usama bin Laden is thought to be hiding. It is also a stronghold for Al Qaeda, Taliban and other anti-U.S. fighters.

The agency did not provide particulars on Saturday's ambush or the two operatives' mission, but it appeared connected to pitched battles in the same area that were described by Afghan and American military officials.

In one fight, six U.S.-allied Afghan militiamen were wounded in a battle with 25 fighters. American attack jets and helicopters were summoned, and "approximately 18 enemy personnel" were killed, according to a statement from the U.S.-led coalition.

The statement says no coalition personnel were killed, but it is unclear whether that would include operatives working for the CIA.

Mohammed Ali Jalali, governor of Paktika province, said Tuesday that a separate battle Saturday in the same province's Gomal district, about two miles from the Pakistan border, left 10 rebels dead -- including four Arabs.

As contractors, Carlson and Mueller were not CIA staff employees. Agency officials declined to detail the nature of their employment.

The CIA has its own unit that can conduct commando-style covert operations, called the Special Operations Group. It appears Carlson and Mueller were functioning in that capacity, but it was unclear how many such contractors the agency has hired.

Carlson was a veteran of Army special operations forces; Mueller had served in the Navy's special operations forces.

In a statement, Carlson's family said, "William had recently retired after nearly 21 years of military service, only to volunteer again to serve the country he loved in a different capacity. He served because he truly loved America and all it stood for. He was proud to be a part of the Special Operations community."




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NcDeuce
10-28-2003, 07:25 PM
R.I.P.

Seoulstriker
10-28-2003, 07:27 PM
R.I.P.

it's really sad when two guys who have really kicked some ass in Army SF and Navy SEALs have to die at an older age.

NcDeuce
10-28-2003, 07:29 PM
Sure does. I bet they loved their job though.

fred_engles
10-28-2003, 07:50 PM
Why was this work being done by contractors in the first place?

NcDeuce
10-28-2003, 07:55 PM
Not contractors, "contractors". ;)

usa320
10-28-2003, 08:27 PM
indeed...not contractors, they were
"contractors" big difference.

Probably SOG team.

RIP, their sacrifice will never be forgotten.

Seoulstriker
10-28-2003, 08:44 PM
indeed...not contractors, they were
"contractors" big difference.

Probably SOG team.

RIP, their sacrifice will never be forgotten.


i still don't get the difference between contractors and "contractors".

:|

HooyahCQB
10-28-2003, 08:55 PM
Contractor-a normal contractor, "Contractor"-a cover for the part in their charter that says they hunt and kill Osama's Chronies.

NcDeuce
10-28-2003, 09:02 PM
i still don't get the difference between contractors and "contractors".

Here is a bad example but it might help.

Operator = Telephone operator

"Operator" = Special Forces or Delta Force operators

Seoulstriker
10-28-2003, 09:20 PM
i still don't get the difference between contractors and "contractors".

Here is a bad example but it might help.

Operator = Telephone operator

"Operator" = Special Forces or Delta Force operators

got it. thanks, guys. woot

jdbjdb
10-28-2003, 09:24 PM
We need more troops in that area, I know the Pakistani government wont allow us there, i'm sure there is a good reason why

usa320
10-28-2003, 10:12 PM
Because it would put them under pressure from the muslim community that makes up the majority of their population.

I think we need to send troops in their, with or without Pakistans permission. If its done right the pakistanis probably wont even know.

jdbjdb
10-28-2003, 11:22 PM
I agree, whenever Pakistani troops go in there, they get into shoot outs with the muslim hardliners, do you think bin Laden would be up high on the side of a mountain or down in a canyon?

Anzac
10-29-2003, 12:59 AM
Is a contracted "Operator" the same as a mercenary perhaps?

He219
10-29-2003, 01:09 AM
I think you mean to ask if a "contractor" is the same as:

a) A Hit Man
b) Beyond the limitations of SOP
c) Plausible Deniability
d) Rouge Warrior
e) Journeyman; 'Have skills, will travel'
f) All of the above

;)

Gordon
10-29-2003, 01:09 AM
As far as i understand it a "contractor", as is said, would be a non-government agency that employs these people to undertake missions for the government that can, if anything goes wrong, be denied as being missions sanctioned by the representative government.

Please correct me if I am wrong.