Japan plays down war past as world marks Auschwitz anniversa

[J-10]

Japan plays down war past as world marks Auschwitz anniversary

TOKYO, Jan. 28 (Xinhuanet) -- The Japanese government and media were conspicuously low-key while governments and people the world over denounced the Holocaust in the run-up to Jan. 27, the 60th anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz Concentration Camp.

No government statements were issued, nor were memorial services planned in Japan for the special date, in stark contrast to its World War II ally Germany, where political leaders poured out to condemn the heinous massacre of millions of Jews and other innocent civilians by the Nazis.

Media coverage of the event were scarce in Japan and the few articles that did touch the subject were usually buried deep inside the pages, another abrupt departure from the blanket media coverage in Germany, in which the feeling of remorse featured high.

Numerous activities were held around the world in recent days to remember the victims of Nazi Germany in World War II.

On Thursday, a remorseful German President Horst Koehler stood side by side with leaders from Poland, France, Russia and Israel at commemorations in the ruins of the Auschwitz camp in Poland.

In Berlin, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder on Tuesday told a gathering attended by Auschwitz survivors that his countrymen have a special duty to keep the memory alive.

"The overwhelming majority of Germans living today bear no guilt for the Holocaust. But they bear a special responsibility," he said.

An estimated 1.5 million people died in the gas chambers and crematoria of Auschwitz, the biggest Nazi concentration camp and most efficient killing machine in the genocide of European Jews.

"Remembering the Nazi era and its crimes is a moral duty," Schroeder said. "We owe this not only to the victims, the survivors and their relatives, but also to ourselves."

As many countries were preparing for memorials and celebrationsfor the 60th anniversary of the victory of the anti-Facist war later this year, a Japanese Foreign Ministry official told Xinhua that no activity whatsoever will be staged this year to mark the anniversary.

Japan's reluctance to face its war time atrocities is proved once more Friday, when Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi secured a fresh legal victory in the controversy over his visits to the Yasukuni Shrine, where war criminals are honored together with other war dead.

The Naha District Court rejected damages claim filed by 94 plaintiffs against the premier for his visits to the shrine, ruling "there is no need to make a judgment on issues like the responsibility of the defendants since it cannot be said that the prime minister's shrine visits infringed the rights of the plaintiffs."

The ruling did not mention whether the visits have violated Japan's pacifist constitution, which forbids government officials'involvement in religious events in official capacity.

The plaintiffs were seeking a combined 9.4 million yen (about 91,000 US dollars) in damages from Koizumi and the state for emotional anguish over the visits.

Koizumi has made four visits to the shrine since he came into power in 2001, saying he went there to pray for world peace. Amongthe honored in Yasukuni are 14 Class-A war criminals in World War II.

His pilgrimages drew protests both from Asian countries which suffered enormously during Japan's invasion in the 1940s, and fromJapanese citizens. A string of lawsuits were filed in Japan against the visits. But as of now, only one out of six rulings said Koizumi's visits were unconstitutional.

Unlike in Germany, militarism still lingers in Japan 60 years after the war. Some war-time senior officials continued to hold power in the years after the war. Many of Japan's younger generation were not taught of the country's true war time past.

Some Japanese right-wing groups and politicians are clamoring for a revision of the history textbooks, trying to water down Japan's atrocities in the war. Senior government officials cling to rhetoric on the redefinition of Japan's role in the Second World War.

The ruling Liberal Democratic Party is actively leading a campaign to revise Japan's pacifist constitution, including Article 9, which forbids Japan's possession of a military force and denies the right of engaging in warfare.

With a raft of laws, Japan actually has skirted that basic law and is flexing its military muscle. The Self-Defense Force (SDF) has been dispatched on peacekeeping or assistance missions abroad,including in Iraq, defying its self-defense-orientied operational principle.

Analysts say Japan's unrepentant attitude has become the biggest hurdle in the way of its relations with other Asia-Pacificnations.

Japan, which is seeking a permanent seat in the United Nations Security Council, cannot win these countries' understanding and sympathy until it learns to face its past and shoulder its due responsibility, observers say.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-01/28/content_2522769.htm

[warnut]

well well well somebodys felling a bit guilty

[Wodan]

83% of the people in germany think there is no reason that the germans should feel guilty, I am part of this majority!

(20% think that germany should feel guilty, ultra-left selfhaters, foreigners and people that joked I guess)

[Rantanplan]

83% of the people in germany think there is no reason that the germans should feel guilty, I am part of this majority!

(20% think that germany should feel guilty, ultra-left selfhaters, foreigners and people that joked I guess)

bs

[CG51]

83% of the people in germany think there is no reason that the germans should feel guilty, I am part of this majority!

(20% think that germany should feel guilty, ultra-left selfhaters, foreigners and people that joked I guess)

are those stats from the national socialist newsletter?

[Wodan]

83% of the people in germany think there is no reason that the germans should feel guilty, I am part of this majority!

(20% think that germany should feel guilty, ultra-left selfhaters, foreigners and people that joked I guess)

bs


http://au.news.yahoo.com/050126/15/srj7.html[/url]] But a survey published in Stern magazine on Wednesday suggested that a solid majority of Germans do not feel guilty.

In the survey, conducted by the Forsa institute, 74 percent of over 1,000 respondents said they did not believe Germans today needed to feel guilty for killings at Auschwitz, compared to 20 percent who said they should.

sorry for telling of 83%......

my failture...

[Wodan]

83% of the people in germany think there is no reason that the germans should feel guilty, I am part of this majority!

(20% think that germany should feel guilty, ultra-left selfhaters, foreigners and people that joked I guess)

are those stats from the national socialist newsletter?


anybody can kickban this antigerman troll?

[CG51]

83% of the people in germany think there is no reason that the germans should feel guilty, I am part of this majority!

(20% think that germany should feel guilty, ultra-left selfhaters, foreigners and people that joked I guess)

are those stats from the national socialist newsletter?


anybody can kickban this antigerman troll?

i believe your the troll for posting bs stats like that on a sensative subject sweetheart...

[Wodan]

83% of the people in germany think there is no reason that the germans should feel guilty, I am part of this majority!

(20% think that germany should feel guilty, ultra-left selfhaters, foreigners and people that joked I guess)

are those stats from the national socialist newsletter?


anybody can kickban this antigerman troll?

i believe your the troll for posting bs stats like that on a sensative subject sweetheart...

can I make those stats being wrong?

its like that, and I think its good, but 20% that feel guilty are still to much

[CG51]

83% of the people in germany think there is no reason that the germans should feel guilty, I am part of this majority!

(20% think that germany should feel guilty, ultra-left selfhaters, foreigners and people that joked I guess)

are those stats from the national socialist newsletter?


anybody can kickban this antigerman troll?

i believe your the troll for posting bs stats like that on a sensative subject sweetheart...

can I make those stats being wrong?

its like that, and I think its good, but 20% that feel guilty are still to much

i wouldn't place a lot of faith on any given poll...you poll a thousand Jews and im sure 100% would say germany should feel bad about its atrocities...you poll a thousand skin heads and im sure 100% will say germany should not feel bad...

[ZeroPositive]

not surprised it is a younger generation they wouldn't feel guilt nowadays...
most feel they did nothing that wrong... in Japan

[Wodan]

83% of the people in germany think there is no reason that the germans should feel guilty, I am part of this majority!

(20% think that germany should feel guilty, ultra-left selfhaters, foreigners and people that joked I guess)

are those stats from the national socialist newsletter?


anybody can kickban this antigerman troll?

i believe your the troll for posting bs stats like that on a sensative subject sweetheart...

can I make those stats being wrong?

its like that, and I think its good, but 20% that feel guilty are still to much

i wouldn't place a lot of faith on any given poll...you poll a thousand Jews and im sure 100% would say germany should feel bad about its atrocities...you poll a thousand skin heads and im sure 100% will say germany should not feel bad...

why do you piss at forsa?

btw. I dont think you should talk bout things you dont understand, any german will know forsa, and that they are the most quoted institute by german medias on polls!

they would risk their really good reputation, if they did use wrong ways of asking and who asking people, as example they call people per phone, and ask for the person that had last time birthday in the home, they ask a minimum number of people depending on the topic, this time it was like 1000, etc.

[Wodan]

but why do I still speak with bender?

(and why does this forum not have an ignore function?)

I would like to discuss bout both, nowadays japanese view on WW II, and germanys one, but not with this antigerman uninformed dumbass!

[BigBaribal]

83% of the people in germany think there is no reason that the germans should feel guilty, I am part of this majority!

(20% think that germany should feel guilty, ultra-left selfhaters, foreigners and people that joked I guess)

are those stats from the national socialist newsletter?


anybody can kickban this antigerman troll?

i believe your the troll for posting bs stats like that on a sensative subject sweetheart...

can I make those stats being wrong?

its like that, and I think its good, but 20% that feel guilty are still to much

i wouldn't place a lot of faith on any given poll...you poll a thousand Jews and im sure 100% would say germany should feel bad about its atrocities...you poll a thousand skin heads and im sure 100% will say germany should not feel bad...


No, I heard yesterday on the radio Abraham Burg saying that the Shoah should no more be the center of the Western history. And I think he's right.

(I will upload this part of the speech tomorrow)

[CG51]

83% of the people in germany think there is no reason that the germans should feel guilty, I am part of this majority!

(20% think that germany should feel guilty, ultra-left selfhaters, foreigners and people that joked I guess)

are those stats from the national socialist newsletter?


anybody can kickban this antigerman troll?

i believe your the troll for posting bs stats like that on a sensative subject sweetheart...

can I make those stats being wrong?

its like that, and I think its good, but 20% that feel guilty are still to much

i wouldn't place a lot of faith on any given poll...you poll a thousand Jews and im sure 100% would say germany should feel bad about its atrocities...you poll a thousand skin heads and im sure 100% will say germany should not feel bad...

why do you piss at forsa?

btw. I dont think you should talk bout things you dont understand, any german will know forsa, and that they are the most quoted institute by german medias on polls!

they would risk their really good reputation, if they did use wrong ways of asking and who asking people, as example they call people per phone, and ask for the person that had last time birthday in the home, they ask a minimum number of people depending on the topic, this time it was like 1000, etc.

i wasn't questioning any institution...i was stating that polls can be manipulated by the poller...like this one did by trying to convey that germany has no remorse for systematic murder and attempted genocide of Jewish people...

im not anti german sweetie...its just that you used this poll to incite flame on a subject that is sensitive to so many people...

[Wodan]

i wasn't questioning any institution...i was stating that polls can be manipulated by the poller...like this one did by trying to convey that germany has no remorse for systematic murder and attempted genocide of Jewish people...

it just says, that germans dont feel like, that a hole people should feel guilty for the killing of others by a regime that was in their country on power, 60 years ago...



im not anti german sweetie...its just that you used this poll to incite flame on a subject that is sensitive to so many people...

LOOOL

[CG51]

83% of the people in germany think there is no reason that the germans should feel guilty, I am part of this majority!

(20% think that germany should feel guilty, ultra-left selfhaters, foreigners and people that joked I guess)

are those stats from the national socialist newsletter?


anybody can kickban this antigerman troll?

i believe your the troll for posting bs stats like that on a sensative subject sweetheart...

can I make those stats being wrong?

its like that, and I think its good, but 20% that feel guilty are still to much

i wouldn't place a lot of faith on any given poll...you poll a thousand Jews and im sure 100% would say germany should feel bad about its atrocities...you poll a thousand skin heads and im sure 100% will say germany should not feel bad...


No, I heard yesterday on the radio Abraham Burg saying that the Shoah should no more be the center of the Western history. And I think he's right.

(I will upload this part of the speech tomorrow)

i don't think the mass murder of european Jews by the nazis during World War II is the center of western history, but it should never be forgotten...there are those out there that will downplay the actrocities that were commited and some say it never happened...what is the saying that is used on this forum so often...those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it....

[CG51]

i wasn't questioning any institution...i was stating that polls can be manipulated by the poller...like this one did by trying to convey that germany has no remorse for systematic murder and attempted genocide of Jewish people...

it just says, that germans dont feel like, that a hole people should feel guilty for the killing of others by a regime that was in their country on power, 60 years ago...



im not anti german sweetie...its just that you used this poll to incite flame on a subject that is sensitive to so many people...

LOOOL

wodan, you have a bright career as a spin doctor...

refresh my memory...where have i made anti german comments...seriously, i don't remember, maybe you can help me out...

[Wodan]

i wasn't questioning any institution...i was stating that polls can be manipulated by the poller...like this one did by trying to convey that germany has no remorse for systematic murder and attempted genocide of Jewish people...

it just says, that germans dont feel like, that a hole people should feel guilty for the killing of others by a regime that was in their country on power, 60 years ago...



im not anti german sweetie...its just that you used this poll to incite flame on a subject that is sensitive to so many people...

LOOOL

wodan, you have a bright career as a spin doctor...

refresh my memory...where have i made anti german comments...seriously, i don't remember, maybe you can help me out...

it seems that you feel like, the germans should feel guilty for the holocaust, dont you do so?

[CG51]

i wasn't questioning any institution...i was stating that polls can be manipulated by the poller...like this one did by trying to convey that germany has no remorse for systematic murder and attempted genocide of Jewish people...

it just says, that germans dont feel like, that a hole people should feel guilty for the killing of others by a regime that was in their country on power, 60 years ago...



im not anti german sweetie...its just that you used this poll to incite flame on a subject that is sensitive to so many people...

LOOOL

wodan, you have a bright career as a spin doctor...

refresh my memory...where have i made anti german comments...seriously, i don't remember, maybe you can help me out...

it seems that you feel like, the germans should feel guilty for the holocaust, dont you do so?

well, i guess that would be up to the individual, but obviously you don't so i guess this is a moot point between us...but it was in fact germans that carried out the orders, no matter how insane they were...like placing women and children into gas chambers and ovens...but time heals all wounds, eh?

[Wodan]

i wasn't questioning any institution...i was stating that polls can be manipulated by the poller...like this one did by trying to convey that germany has no remorse for systematic murder and attempted genocide of Jewish people...

it just says, that germans dont feel like, that a hole people should feel guilty for the killing of others by a regime that was in their country on power, 60 years ago...



im not anti german sweetie...its just that you used this poll to incite flame on a subject that is sensitive to so many people...

LOOOL

wodan, you have a bright career as a spin doctor...

refresh my memory...where have i made anti german comments...seriously, i don't remember, maybe you can help me out...

it seems that you feel like, the germans should feel guilty for the holocaust, dont you do so?

well, i guess that would be up to the individual, but obviously you don't so i guess this is a moot point between us...but it was in fact germans that carried out the orders, no matter how insane they were...like placing women and children into gas chambers and ovens...but time heals all wounds, eh?

whats wrong with ovens (crematorium)

why do all americans think, the people were killed in the ovens?
to get people into an oven alive is much hardern then getting them into a shower, so why should the dudes have put them into ovens alive???

it was americans that killed native americans, that slaved negros etc.

do you think the american people should feel guilty for that?



... or do you feel guilty for the turtures, american soldiers did in iraq?



btw. your attitude is.... if we germans were a race, it would be called racist... you say, a people has to feel guilty, for things some of them, years ago have done???


If your grandpas neighbor had killed a dude, would you have to feel guilty to the killed dudes grandson?

[CG51]

i wasn't questioning any institution...i was stating that polls can be manipulated by the poller...like this one did by trying to convey that germany has no remorse for systematic murder and attempted genocide of Jewish people...

it just says, that germans dont feel like, that a hole people should feel guilty for the killing of others by a regime that was in their country on power, 60 years ago...



im not anti german sweetie...its just that you used this poll to incite flame on a subject that is sensitive to so many people...

LOOOL

wodan, you have a bright career as a spin doctor...

refresh my memory...where have i made anti german comments...seriously, i don't remember, maybe you can help me out...

it seems that you feel like, the germans should feel guilty for the holocaust, dont you do so?

well, i guess that would be up to the individual, but obviously you don't so i guess this is a moot point between us...but it was in fact germans that carried out the orders, no matter how insane they were...like placing women and children into gas chambers and ovens...but time heals all wounds, eh?

whats wrong with ovens (crematorium)

why do all americans think, the people were killed in the ovens?
to get people into an oven alive is much hardern then getting them into a shower, so why should the dudes have put them into ovens alive???

it was americans that killed native americans, that slaved negros etc.

do you think the american people should feel guilty for that?



... or do you feel guilty for the turtures, american soldiers did in iraq?



btw. your attitude is.... if we germans were a race, it would be called racist... you say, a people has to feel guilty, for things some of them, years ago have done???


If your grandpas neighbor had killed a dude, would you have to feel guilty to his grandson?

you have a point as far as there is a new generation that wasn't alive during those atrocities...but your comparisons are a little extreme...i never stated that germans are racists...if you are bringing up attitude then my position is you posted these stats in this thread to minimize and/or downplay the holocaust...

[Wodan]

i wasn't questioning any institution...i was stating that polls can be manipulated by the poller...like this one did by trying to convey that germany has no remorse for systematic murder and attempted genocide of Jewish people...

it just says, that germans dont feel like, that a hole people should feel guilty for the killing of others by a regime that was in their country on power, 60 years ago...



im not anti german sweetie...its just that you used this poll to incite flame on a subject that is sensitive to so many people...

LOOOL

wodan, you have a bright career as a spin doctor...

refresh my memory...where have i made anti german comments...seriously, i don't remember, maybe you can help me out...

it seems that you feel like, the germans should feel guilty for the holocaust, dont you do so?

well, i guess that would be up to the individual, but obviously you don't so i guess this is a moot point between us...but it was in fact germans that carried out the orders, no matter how insane they were...like placing women and children into gas chambers and ovens...but time heals all wounds, eh?

whats wrong with ovens (crematorium)

why do all americans think, the people were killed in the ovens?
to get people into an oven alive is much hardern then getting them into a shower, so why should the dudes have put them into ovens alive???

it was americans that killed native americans, that slaved negros etc.

do you think the american people should feel guilty for that?



... or do you feel guilty for the turtures, american soldiers did in iraq?



btw. your attitude is.... if we germans were a race, it would be called racist... you say, a people has to feel guilty, for things some of them, years ago have done???


If your grandpas neighbor had killed a dude, would you have to feel guilty to his grandson?

you have a point as far as there is a new generation that wasn't alive during those atrocities...but your comparisons are a little extreme...i never stated that germans are racists...if you are bringing up attitude then my position is you posted these stats in this thread to minimize and/or downplay the holocaust...

by the percentage of germans that feel guilty for what happend, I minimize and/or downplay the holocaust, interesting, but hard understandable opinion....


btw. I said that YOU are like a racist, if you say, germans as a people should feel guilty! cuz that means, a crime can get done by a people as itself, and not just by individuums, that are all part of one people (on WW II it wasnt like this, that just the shermans did, other people helped well btw.)

[Wodan]

this discussion leads to nothing imo

I dont even understand why I felt that its important what you think bout the german people, cuz as long as you buy our products it will not harm me or my people in any way, if you think we are bad or something like that... :D

[CG51]

ok, good night wodan...

[Wodan]

ok, good night wodan...

sleep well :)