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Shake n Bake
10-28-2003, 09:18 PM
http://www.schnittshow.com/timages/page/soldierfriskkid.jpg


US soldier frisks Afghan child in Zermit village

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/A3BAAADE-2A12-4F4C-A8B6-BB616AF33F30.htm


''A secretly taken picture of an American soldier frisking an Afghan child has shocked human rights campaigners across the world.

The picture was given to Aljazeera.net by the Islamic Observation Centre to highlight the plight of children in Afghanistan.

It will now be shown to delegates and discussed at the Washington Conference on Civil Liberties in America on Saturday, 25 October.

Taken by a strategically placed camera, and using a telephoto lens, the undercover photographer snapped a four-year-old child having his clothing searched by a heavily armed US soldier.''


boohoo!!

Seoulstriker
10-28-2003, 09:19 PM
wow. i'm crying. :( :roll:

Deuterium
10-28-2003, 09:23 PM
Yeah and my 5 year old is frisked at the local airport when she gets on the plane because of 9/11.......

Vance
10-28-2003, 09:30 PM
What a joke!

NcDeuce
10-28-2003, 09:35 PM
:cantbeli:

Media bastards.

jlanni
10-28-2003, 09:36 PM
the guy has the right to frisk the child... i dont know about you but i dont want the place to end up like vietnam where they rigged the children with explosives to kill the americans..... so i dont really see anything wrong wiht that.. its just again Aljazeera trying to make the americans look like the bad guys

wholagun
10-28-2003, 09:42 PM
jlanni wrote:

its just again Aljazeera trying to make the americans look like the bad guys
I couldn't have said it any better myself.

96B
10-28-2003, 09:45 PM
Al Jazeera = propaganda machine

I think a JDAM needs to accidentally find its way to their communication antennas :lol:

He219
10-28-2003, 09:45 PM
Here is another one. Booohooo.... :P

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=452408
That's not a service issue revolver in his back pocket either...

Two U.S. Army soldiers, of Charlie company, 1-22 Infantry regiment, 4th Infantry Division, look inside the pockets of an unidentified Iraqi boy while patroling a street in Tikrit, 193 km (120 miles) north of Baghdad, Iraq, Tuesday, Oct. 28, 2003. (AP Photo/Ivan Sekretarev)

Seoulstriker
10-28-2003, 09:51 PM
Here is another one. Booohooo.... :P

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=452408
That's not a service issue revolver in his back pocket either...

Two U.S. Army soldiers, of Charlie company, 1-22 Infantry regiment, 4th Infantry Division, look inside the pockets of an unidentified Iraqi boy while patroling a street in Tikrit, 193 km (120 miles) north of Baghdad, Iraq, Tuesday, Oct. 28, 2003. (AP Photo/Ivan Sekretarev)


i'm sure the kid doesn't mind.

hood
10-28-2003, 10:02 PM
and all the kids are frisked when they go into inner city schools... how exactly was this a secret picture when it's all over the place? ugh...

Ratamacue
10-28-2003, 10:05 PM
I remember watching a show on the History Channel about the evacuation of the American Embassy in Saigon in 1975, and as most of you know, thousands of Vietnamese civilians flocked to the embassy in hopes of escaping from the North Vietnamese.

Well, one of the Marines aboard a helicopter evacuating civilians was telling his men to frisk everyone who boards, even the children. He noticed that one soldier allowed a woman's baby to go by without frisking, so the Marine took the baby and, opening the diaper, found a hand grenade.

usa320
10-28-2003, 10:07 PM
The second photo is genuine, and i dont blame them for frisking the kid.

As for the first one, am i the only one that thinks it looks a little doctored?

The brightness and contrast of the soldier dont seem to match that of the background, and the soldier seems to be obliqued or skewed in some fashion.

Seoulstriker
10-28-2003, 10:12 PM
The second photo is genuine, and i dont blame them for frisking the kid.

As for the first one, am i the only one that thinks it looks a little doctored?

The brightness and contrast of the soldier dont seem to match that of the background, and the soldier seems to be obliqued or skewed in some fashion.

the shadows are really funky.

Jack Mehoff
10-28-2003, 10:37 PM
Correct me on this but frisking kids is not something new. Remember what happened after 9/11 in United States of America airports? My 5 year old little niece has to took off her shoes when she went through the metal detector. Helll!!! they even have metal detectors in some U.S. high schools. :bash:

IDFM203
10-28-2003, 10:57 PM
Here is another one. Booohooo.... :P

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=452408
That's not a service issue revolver in his back pocket either...

Two U.S. Army soldiers, of Charlie company, 1-22 Infantry regiment, 4th Infantry Division, look inside the pockets of an unidentified Iraqi boy while patroling a street in Tikrit, 193 km (120 miles) north of Baghdad, Iraq, Tuesday, Oct. 28, 2003. (AP Photo/Ivan Sekretarev)
Boy I defiantly connect with you Americans for I know how it feels to go through these types of situations and to do what those brave soldiers are doing.

While I understand that some might not like these pics, it is an unfortunate reailty that strict caution must be taken for even with kids, there are times when they might be carrying a weapon or some other thing which can be very harmful.

Shalom. :D

Mortimer
10-28-2003, 11:02 PM
I'd even have to admit frisking kids isn't such a bad thing, there are some ****ed up people out there.

as for Al Jazeera being a propaganda machine...your saying CNN isn't?

Jack Mehoff
10-28-2003, 11:04 PM
I would rather frisk a kid for weapon than taking him down using deadly force if he starts shooting. By frisking and confiscating his weapon before he has a chance to use it then I won't have to use deadly force later.

Vance
10-28-2003, 11:04 PM
as for Al Jazeera being a propaganda machine...your saying CNN isn't?
I don't see any CNN articles on how stuff over there is progressing, the only thing I see reported on is soldiers dying...

Mortimer
10-28-2003, 11:07 PM
not from where i am sitting.

and i don't just mean propaganda.....media bias as well. American TV was totally out of line during the war.

Jack Mehoff
10-28-2003, 11:08 PM
as for Al Jazeera being a propaganda machine...your saying CNN isn't?
I don't see any CNN articles on how stuff over there is progressing, the only thing I see reported on is soldiers dying...

Precisely!!! CNN only brings bad news from Iraq and whoever says CNN is a propaganda machine in favor of Bush needs to wake up or i'll slap them over the head with a wet mop.

Seoulstriker
10-28-2003, 11:12 PM
as for Al Jazeera being a propaganda machine...your saying CNN isn't?
I don't see any CNN articles on how stuff over there is progressing, the only thing I see reported on is soldiers dying...

Precisely!!! CNN only brings bad news from Iraq and whoever says CNN is a propaganda machine in favor of Bush needs to wake up or i'll slap them over the head with a wet mop.

or CBS (see BS), or NBC, or ABC, or MSNBC, or the New York Times, or the Washington Post, or... you get the idea.

GLax
10-28-2003, 11:31 PM
why wouldnt you frisk a kid? everybody knows that little kids, especially little boys, are very influencable. all it takes is one bad guy to pull him to the side and say 'hey, we'll take care of you and your family if you go throw this grenade at those Americans' nothin against those little kids but they dont know any better. they should take hidden camera photos of terrorist training camps indoctrunating young boys to kill. THAT is something to bitch about. another thing, its not like the Soldiers have these little kids face first, legs spread, arms to the side and face first on a wall with their knees in thier back like police in America do when they frisk somebody. i'm sure our guys are even a little more gentle than they should be when they do a shake down to a little kid...

Andyman
10-28-2003, 11:35 PM
That is rediculous man. As if being frisked is gonna have any emotional strain on a five year old child. Hell most little guys would probably think of it as pretty cool having an army dude standing there in the flesh. Maybe not if it's an occupying force though... ha ha :lol:

Rediculous Propaghanda. I agree with everyone here

Fioraon
10-29-2003, 12:05 AM
not from where i am sitting.

and i don't just mean propaganda.....media bias as well. American TV was totally out of line during the war.

Really, care to explain with supported factors? Really if you are going to make a statement fill free to elaborate.

Aussie2093
10-29-2003, 12:48 AM
Mort, mate, just be glad you weren't getting Fox News Channel.. :roll:

Shake n Bake
10-29-2003, 01:15 AM
Hey, Isn't Fox news owned by an Aussie??

PsihoKeke
10-29-2003, 01:31 AM
One of the oldest terorist/ urban guerilla tricks is use of women and small children for transport of weapons. For example this was the EOKA tactics in Cyprus: unarmed EOKA operative came close to target where he met woman who handeled him pistol or handgrenade. After attack he gave his weapon to another women or child and escaped. If operative was searched before or after attack he was only unarmed civilian.

martinexsquaddie
10-29-2003, 01:41 AM
Damm i thought its was going to be photos of yanks eating babies :P
total non event

Jack Mehoff
10-29-2003, 01:48 AM
Damm i thought its was going to be photos of yanks eating babies :P
total non event

With a little hot tabasco and they make one fine chow

Fargin
10-29-2003, 01:58 AM
Danish national media wasn't too impressed with the American medias objectivity and help al-jazz higher than Fox & CNN.

Argyll
10-29-2003, 02:28 AM
OMFG!!!!!!.........................shock horror!!.............Not.
Every Law Enforcement Agency the world over search kids daily,this is nothing other than routine!!
In NI the women used to smuggle weapons parts inside their babies prams,for the IRA...............................so what's the big deal?

StarvingStudent47
10-29-2003, 02:59 AM
Ah, but don't all you guys get it? According to Noam Chomsky and pals, being frisked at a security checkpoint is a HORRIFIC violation of human rights and international law... :roll:

(Disclaimer: this only applies to non-Caucasian people who have to walk through checkpoints. Chomsky doesn't give a hoot about the two-hour-long security line at Denver International Airport).

Gameholic
10-29-2003, 03:01 AM
What would you do if YOU have to walk trough the streets of Tikrit every day, waiting for ambush/bomb attack? I would hold everyone suspicious who isn't American!

Just like Jlanni said; in Vietnam the kids and women where walking with explosives.. so it's just routine here in Iraq

StarvingStudent47
10-29-2003, 03:05 AM
Correct me on this but frisking kids is not something new. Remember what happened after 9/11 in United States of America airports? My 5 year old little niece has to took off her shoes when she went through the metal detector. Helll!!! they even have metal detectors in some U.S. high schools.

I was in high school, in Colorado, when the Columbine Massacre went down. Man, if some Amnesty International windbag says that what THAT kid is going through is too much, I'm gonna cut off their jolly sack (the Amnesty International guy, not the Iraqi kid).

Mr. Nielsen
10-29-2003, 05:34 AM
Remember the little kid from the warsaw ghetto with his hands in the air.
Kids and heavily armed soldiers makes pictures with great emotional impact.

And in this case i could imagine that the impact in the arab world is quite contrary from how we see it.

WARPIG
10-29-2003, 07:37 AM
Shame on the moron that started this post.

I was an Operation Noble Eagle guard at my airport. Kids came up to me and asked to be frisked. When the nice old lady working as a check point operator wanted to frisk a kid..they cried..so when I offer to do it instead they were all smiles.
By the way... security isn't the only reason for frisking kids. I used to tease little kids and ask them security questions while frisking them .. just before I gave them a piece of chocolate.
Also kids that grow up around combat zones tend to like to collect things... like unexploded ordinance. Finding little souveniers and such on the kids will help locate mine fields and weapons caches. (not to mention the grenade or blasting cap some kid might be playing with)

Finally, why do you think baby strollers and infants are screened at airports and such?? Is it because the dirty diaper is considered HAZMAT?
No it is because terrorists like to hide explosives and weapons on their own women and children. Who should be ashamed?

Saranof
10-29-2003, 07:56 AM
Al Jazeera = propaganda machine

I think a JDAM needs to accidentally find its way to their communication antennas :lol:


Acutally, it did once in afagistan.
But put it this way- what would you say if people would bomb Fox?

Saranof
10-29-2003, 07:59 AM
Ah, but don't all you guys get it? According to Noam Chomsky and pals, being frisked at a security checkpoint is a HORRIFIC violation of human rights and international law... :roll:

(Disclaimer: this only applies to non-Caucasian people who have to walk through checkpoints. Chomsky doesn't give a hoot about the two-hour-long security line at Denver International Airport).


The differance is, of course, that the people who go through those lines are not really under death treats...

As we say in sweden:
*DING!* The industrialised countrys problems!

Saranof
10-29-2003, 08:02 AM
Shame on the moron that started this post.

I was an Operation Noble Eagle guard at my airport. Kids came up to me and asked to be frisked. When the nice old lady working as a check point operator wanted to frisk a kid..they cried..so when I offer to do it instead they were all smiles.
By the way... security isn't the only reason for frisking kids. I used to tease little kids and ask them security questions while frisking them .. just before I gave them a piece of chocolate.
Also kids that grow up around combat zones tend to like to collect things... like unexploded ordinance. Finding little souveniers and such on the kids will help locate mine fields and weapons caches. (not to mention the grenade or blasting cap some kid might be playing with)

Finally, why do you think baby strollers and infants are screened at airports and such?? Is it because the dirty diaper is considered HAZMAT?
No it is because terrorists like to hide explosives and weapons on their own women and children. Who should be ashamed?

The differance is that at the airport, you hadn't invaded a country and the frisking of these children might give them the impression that they really are being opressed again.
But then, you could do it in a good way. When you do it, give them some candy or what not, smile, joke, stuff like that. Let them see that you are the good guys.

WARPIG
10-29-2003, 09:01 AM
What makes you think we are not? Do you know how many care packages go over to the soldiers with candy and goodies? You think thats all for them? Here's a news flash... some of us American soldiers have children of our own. I don't mean for lunch either. Did you know the biggest hospital section of the biggest Army post in the whole world (Ft. Hood) is the maternity ward?
I used to frisk German kids when we caught them playing in our training areas. They would collect the brass cartridges and empty smoke grenades. Some of it was unused.
Kids are frisked everywhere!

What kind of an idiot would think that US soldiers are threatening Iraqi children with death while frisking them?
I guess for those who live in countries that choose to do nothing.. choose to simply ignore the world outside their borders... can safely criticize those of us who put ourselves in harms way to help those around us.

Bootneck
10-29-2003, 10:41 AM
That just about sums it up.



I guess for those who live in countries that choose to do nothing.. choose to simply ignore the world outside their borders... can safely criticize those of us who put ourselves in harms way to help those around us.

Nawlins
10-29-2003, 02:16 PM
Uh... I fail to see how that picture is embarrassing. He's not beating the kid, he's just checking his pockets! How ridiculous.

GLax
10-29-2003, 02:38 PM
Kids came up to me and asked to be frisked. When the nice old lady working as a check point operator wanted to frisk a kid..they cried..so when I offer to do it instead they were all smiles.

you could add to that, little kids might even like just getting attention from them. we've all read about how the men treat women and children in the middle east. our soldiers could even go as far as to be role models for these kids, without even knowing it, just by being nice to them...

Aussie2093
10-29-2003, 03:04 PM
Hey, Isn't Fox news owned by an Aussie??

Yes, I believe his name is Rupert Murdoch??

Regardless of nationality, its unacceptable.

WARPIG
10-29-2003, 03:45 PM
Ok.. so we can all point fingers at who we think has the most sensational garbage mongering media. None of us would be wrong. Big hairy deal. I am sure you are all surprised. The problem many who post here have is that you believe some of this crap.
I think anyone with atleast a smear of grey matter in their skull can see that this string is exactly that.. crap. The US has historically been known for our humane treatment of civilians as well as enemy prisoners.
What a totally weak and pitiful attempt at flaming the US.
The least you could do is to find some subject content that is atleast a little bit believable.

marktigger
10-29-2003, 04:01 PM
I grew up in Ulster in the 1970's where you got frisked by security forces when you went into the likes of Belfast city centre not from as young as 4 but from about 9-10 we would be searched by Female searchers till we hit mid teens. I'm sure the American media would have been crowing if pictures of British troops in Northern Ireland had been photographed frisking young children. But then your media was pro terrorist then its only when the reality of what terrorism hit the USA have you become so anti terrorist. We froim Northern Ireland remember the hundreds of thousands of dollars raised to back terrorism and the armilites and m60's and more recentley the Barretts that have come from the USA.
I would say the USA has a hell of a lot still to learn about counter terrorism. The experts in the are the British but then we have a 30 year head start no thanks to Good old Irish America

usa320
10-29-2003, 08:04 PM
Back in high school we used to get searched all the time, not everyday, but a few times a week, because we had a lot of threats and violence going on...

NcDeuce
10-29-2003, 08:12 PM
Catholic priests?

:cantbeli:

Dalleer
10-30-2003, 03:19 PM
In my opinion, that picture isn't anything to be embarrased about for the US army. This is a normal procedure in areas like that regarding on what happened in Vietnam for an example.

And hey, I bet that the US is doing a good job in terms of trying to be friendly with the locals. "Winning hearts and minds".

Midtown
10-30-2003, 04:15 PM
in my opinion...Al Jazeera...****in bomb em. They are jackasses.

Vance
10-30-2003, 04:22 PM
in my opinion...Al Jazeera...f*** bomb em. They are jackasses.
Didn't we already do that? They're like cockroaches, can't kill 'em.

GearGod
10-30-2003, 07:51 PM
Who gives a crapp? Kids have guns too; Ever seen RULES OF ENGAGEMENT ( http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/rules_of_engagement.html ) those bloody kids had guns! Just becuase they look innocent does not mean they are; Don't let them fool you

Ratamacue
10-30-2003, 09:24 PM
Yeah, those bloody kids had guns in a movie.

GearGod
10-30-2003, 10:14 PM
yes and they could have them in real life too best watch out for them little buggers mate

Mortimer
10-31-2003, 02:04 AM
he's as dumb as he looks........

GearGod
10-31-2003, 03:30 PM
Mortimer: Read This:

http://adambalhetchet.freeservers.com/criticism.htm

USMarine3521
10-31-2003, 04:18 PM
adambaltheceht : CHANGE YOUR AVATAR!!!

this is www.militaryphotos.net, not www.ilovejustintimberlake.com

Deuterium
10-31-2003, 04:18 PM
he's as dumb as he looks........

woot woot woot

Sorry kid, change your gay haircut and join the civilized world. Its a sad day when I have to agree with Mortimer.

GearGod
10-31-2003, 05:20 PM
your persistence has paid off

Haiw
10-31-2003, 05:30 PM
i strongly advise u to change it again :lol:

just a thought :P

Trigger
10-31-2003, 06:28 PM
Way to go...now Hood will have to change the thread title to 'The picture that shames Militaryphotos.net' rofl