Ducimus's thread-imporant read

[Skaman]

Many claim Prime Minister Blair "Was essentially right" to attack Iraq. In common with certain national publications, you now describe attacks on Coalition forces as "Terrorism".

Would you care to define "terrorists" and "terrorism"?

Twelve years of sanctions brought about the death of one million Iraqi civilians. When informed 600,000 children had died as a result of these sanctions, Madeline Albright, the-then US Secretary of State, stated: "That was a price well worth paying". Is Madeline Albright a "terrorist"?

The gas used to kill the Kurds at Halabja had been supplied to Saddam Hussein by Donald Rumsfeld, acting on behalf of the US Government; after the massacre Mr Rumsfeld supplied Saddam with further stocks. Is Mr Rumsfeld a "terrorist?

For 12 years, US and UK aircraft patrolled, and frequently bombed, Iraq's so-called "no-fIy" zones. Were these acts of "terrorism"?

In defiance of the United Nations, President Bush and Prime Minister Blair launched an illegal attack on Iraq, 10,000 civilians were killed. Are President Bush and Prime Minister Blair "terrorists"?

When Iraqis carry out attacks on those who have invaded their country, killed and maimed their children, murdered their parents, brothers and sisters, destroyed their homes, schools and hospitals, destroyed their infrastructure and stolen their oil, no question marks here, there seems absolutely no doubt they are "terrorists".

The word "hypocrisy" now stalks through the columns of a great provincial newspaper.

Let us hope it is a short-lived aberration.


Opposition to the continued hostile and increasingly aggressive presence of US and British troops is widespread and is entirely within international law.

Of course the military and political establishment in both Coalition countries are desperate to convince us that their illegal military invasion of a largely defenceless country was justified in terms of a substantial list if various fairly fluid pretexts.


No amount of widow dressing can conceal the lies upon which the destruction, slaughter and occupation are based and millions in this country still oppose the actions taken by Blair and his gang, knowing full well what the consequences would be.


The unpalatable fact is that the majority of Iraqis are now very much worse off that they were before. They are still being killed in their hundreds by the occupation forces and the US makes the astonishing suggestion that the billions of pounds of damage delivered by their aircraft and artillery should be paid for by the Iraqis themselves by selling their own oil.


This breathtaking claim upon one of its victims could only have originated in Washington.


To the world's most predatory and arrogant aggressor, the logic that the perpetrator pays had been lost over the decades through which they have cajoled and threatened to get their own way in everything.


Real and lasting peace through justice will never be brought about in Iraq at the point of a gun, especially if that has a US serviceman at its other end.


Where are the British politicians prepared to tell the US that we have all had enough of them and their perverse brand of international terrorism?

Our Govermnent has been trying to convince us war with Iraq may become necessary, but the arguments are far from convincing.


We are told Iraq has "weapons of mass destruction". No evidence Iraq still has them has been uncovered by UN weapons inspectors despite their unfettered access, and no firm evidence has been put forward by the US or Britain.


We are told that Saddam Hussein is a cruel tyrant. He may be, but many tyrants head governments and this did not stop the West doing deals with him when it suited us.


Iraq is accused of disobeying UN resolutions, but it is far from alone in this. Israel has disobeyed UN resolutions but the US still protects Israel despite its atrocious human rights record.


When Tony Blair and George W Bush talk of Iraq, they are keen to mention al Qaida, yet there is no proven link between Iraq and this organisation. Many Saudis are amongst the ranks of al Qaida and Osama bin Laden is a citizen of that country, yet noboby talks of invading Saudi Arabia.


1 do not believe any of these reasons motivate the US and Britain. They are put forward as propaganda. The real causes are political and economic. Politically, we threaten Iraq because we can, rather in the way a school bully threatens a small victim. Having beaten Iraq once and driven its armies from Kuwait, it makes, a good scapegoat this time around.


How can it win against the overwhelming firepower of the US? Would the West contemplate military force against a more powerful country - perhaps one with nuclear arms? 1 think not!


Meanwhile, Bush struts his stuff in John Wayne style. He is 'seen to be doing something' after September 11 but it is akin to having a bad day at the office and coming home and kicking the dog! However, it makes him look good to the American electorate, at least until the bodybags of American servicemen start to arrive home. For Blair, too, how much better to be standing on the world stage advocating the righting of wrongs by military might than having to concentrate on education, health and transport in his own country.

This posturing serves to distract us from home issues.


Economically, the US is the most oil-hungry country in the world (and, per capita, the most polluting). Its electorate demands cheap and plentiful oil and will tolerate nothing less. To meet this need, the US needs to look beyond its shores to secure supplies from compliant foreign producers. Saddam Hussein is no longer compliant, so it is in America's interests to topple him. In attacking Iraq, the Middle East already a volatile area will become even less stable. The hatred generated will provide a steady stream of recruits for acts of terrorism against the West for years to come.

There are 10 reasons why we should not support any war in Iraq.

1 It appears a "War against Terrorism" has been changed into a war against Iraq, although Iraq had no involvement in 9/11.

2 I have seen no convincing proof Iraq has links with al Qaida. If Tony Blair has evidence he cannot present publicly, let him give it to a trusted individual to examine on our behalf. Jeremy Paxman would be a good choice.

3 Although Iraq has used weapons of mass destruction, it mostly did so before the Gulf War, when the West was happy to supply the materials to make such weapons and so by implication approved of their use.

4 The containment policies since the Gulf War have largely been successful. Iraq is not in a position to attack its .neighbours without a massive military response.

5 Saddam Hussein is caught in a `Catch 22' situation. If he cooperates with the inspectors and ~ reveals where the weapons are, this will be jumped on by Blair and Bush as the "smoking gun" required to start war. If he refuses to co-operate then that too is seen as a reason to start war.

6 The Iraqi people have suffered greatly at the hands of Saddam Hussein, but a war will cause them to suffer even more. And Saddam Hussein will disappear with his wealth to some safe haven.

7 Starting a war there could cause the whole unstable region to explode into very nasty conflicts that will have an impact for years.

For example, there are tensions between Turkey and the Kurds.

8 Killing the families of young men and women in Iraq will provide a recruiting ground for al Quid. A war will increase the number of terrorists, not reduce it.

9 The damage to the infrastructure of Iraq and the creation of a political vacuum after a war will increase the chances of dangerous materials falling into the hands of terrorists.

10 The implementation of UN resolutions is not even handed. Why are Bush and Blare not prepared to take similar action against other nations that are in breach of UN resolutions, notably Israel?

Unless Tony Blare can convince his people on all these points, then the British people should continue not to support his war.

[XASA]

Too bad this forum doesn't have Spam control :roll:

[Skaman]

why dont you offer a counter argument? Instead, you plead the posts which bring a good point should be removed. Why is everyone on this forum so intent on only hearing the War from a pro stance, and anything else is dismissed as garbage. Open your mind and get a second oppinion guys.

[Adri]

CNN:

breaking news:
on the internet page "militaryphotos.net" a so cald flame war is about to start, the UN security cansel are having a top meet just now to disscus this actions at the same time diplomats from all over the world are sendt to calm down the intensive situation but it looks like bouth sides are heading one direction: war!

[MSG Dman]

Do you actually think anyone will waste 5 minutes of their time reading any crap that you write? As soon as I see it is from your ignorant ass I simply scroll past it.

[Adri]

why dont you offer a counter argument? Instead, you plead the posts which bring a good point should be removed. Why is everyone on this forum so intent on only hearing the War from a pro stance, and anything else is dismissed as garbage. Open your mind and get a second oppinion guys.

well you do have a lot of good views, but the war in iraq was a "must".
I am against the war but that is only cause of:

1) they sould have removed saddam in gulf war 1

2)the sanctions did cost to much!, it didn't result in a weaker saddam, but his people got weaker and died of hunger or coalision bombs.

3) they made up a fake reason !
"we...hummm.....tink...hmm...know they have WMDs!"
it would have been easier if they said "saddam is bad against his people and bad to the peace in the middle east"

[Skaman]

Do you actually think anyone will waste 5 minutes of their time reading any crap that you write? As soon as I see it is from your ignorant ass I simply scroll past it.


thats hypocracy in itself!!! claiming I am ingnorant inturn labels you narrow minded and centralized, thus you yourself are "ignorant", intentioanlly ignoring a substantial and well written post, dissmissing it as obscene.

apparently, if its not pro bush, pro war, its ignorant folks. you heard from this guy first, 93% of the world is ignorant.

[budanski]

Hey Douchebag18,

You think you're actually bringing something thought provoking with that trash? Do us all a favor and learn to use the search (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/search.php) feature. As I said before, mortimer, spier, and Saranof has already beaten you to the punch.

Excuse me if i get this quote wrong, but I believe General George Washington once said. AH, SHADDAP!

[Bootneck]

Mortimer
One
Saranof
Fargin
Ducimus18
and last but not least adambalhetchet

:backhand:

[Skaman]

why dont you offer a counter argument? Instead, you plead the posts which bring a good point should be removed. Why is everyone on this forum so intent on only hearing the War from a pro stance, and anything else is dismissed as garbage. Open your mind and get a second oppinion guys.

well you do have a lot of good views, but the war in iraq was a "must".
I am against the war but that is only cause of:

1) they sould have removed saddam in gulf war 1

2)the sanctions did cost to much!, it didn't result in a weaker saddam, but his people got weaker and died of hunger or coalision bombs.

3) they made up a fake reason !
"we...hummm.....tink...hmm...know they have WMDs!"
it would have been easier if they said "saddam is bad against his people and bad to the peace in the middle east"


fair enough

[Skaman]

Hey Douchebag18,

You think you're actually bringing something thought provoking with that trash? Do us all a favor and learn to use the search (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/search.php) feature. As I said before, mortimer, spier, and Saranof has already beaten you to the punch.

Excuse me if i get this quote wrong, but I believe General George Washington once said. AH, SHADDAP!


are you going to hop on the bandwagon and post a bunch of "this thread sucks", "you are stupid" etc., while never posting any substantial arguments. It is clearly evident that the mast majority of you are brainwashed. You just refuse to hear it, therefore you bash it as propaghanda etc.

Read from multiple oppinions,thats ALL I ASK, YOU WILL GET SMARTER< I PROMISE!!!!

[Shake n Bake]

ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

[Adri]

are you going to hop on the bandwagon and post a bunch of "this thread sucks", "you are stupid" etc

must agree on that one, if people don't like it then don't post those pics...it only shows that he couldn't find any arguments.

but.. I don't tink the majority on this bord are braindwashed ;)

and again I agree on the people should read news etc. form diffrent views but I don't think you will get so much smarter, most time bouth of the sides are totally diffrent and bouth will come with good evidence (by not telling the hole story, and that is for bouth sides....)

[budanski]

are you going to hop on the bandwagon and post a bunch of "this thread sucks", "you are stupid" etc., while never posting any substantial arguments. It is clearly evident that the mast majority of you are brainwashed. You just refuse to hear it, therefore you bash it as propaghanda etc.

Read from multiple oppinions,thats ALL I ASK, YOU WILL GET SMARTER< I PROMISE!!!!

Let me run this with you again...

You think you're actually bringing something thought provoking with that trash? Do us all a favor and learn to use the search (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/search.php) feature.

Try it. Dont be afraid to use it. The questions you've asked has already been asked and discussed by yours truly and many others.

So again, lemme repeat. This is already played out.

[Jack Mehoff]

KISS-Keep It Simple Stupid

Who the **** want to read a whole page essay?

[Seoulstriker]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/negative12.jpg

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/sucks10.gif

[Skaman]

played out, hardly, this is an ongoing discussion. I am presenting my interprations to this board for individuals to view so they can get an alternate look to the war in iraq. Is ww2 played out, vietnam, korea, communism, hey, how many times have those topics come up?

My post is "played out" because, as one individual put it, you COULD NOT find any arguments, and you are so fixiated on a particuliar apporach to the war!!!-the Bush way.

[Skaman]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/negative12.jpg

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/sucks10.gif

Read adri's post bud.

[Deuterium]

YAWN...... Hitler and Stalin made some long speeches too. I'm wouldn't have got into an arguement with them either. They were wrong you are wrong. I suggest you talk to Iraqis about your opinions. I know a few Kurds that would be happy to argue with you over EVERYTHING you have said. But hey they are only Iraqis and you're Canadian. You know a lot more than they do.

[Skaman]

KISS-Keep It Simple Stupid

Who the **** want to read a whole page essay?

Im sorry, I didnt know you attention span was limited to the likes of mad magazine. Il try and add more preety pictures next time! Perhaps fewer words, and more topics concerning blowjobs, ****, and automobiles okay????


jeeze, its like 1000 words, have you ever read a ****ing article in your life, or even a damb newspaper.

[Skaman]

YAWN...... Hitler and Stalin made some long speeches too. I'm wouldn't have got into an arguement with them either. They were wrong you are wrong. I suggest you talk to Iraqis about your opinions. I know a few Kurds that would be happy to argue with you aver EVERYTHING you have said. But hey they are only Iraqis and you're Canadian. You know a lot more than they do.

tsk-tsk.

[budanski]

Hitler would be so proud of you. (http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/index.html)

[Jack Mehoff]

KISS-Keep It Simple Stupid

Who the **** want to read a whole page essay?

Im sorry, I didnt know you attention span was limited to the likes of mad magazine. Il try and add more preety pictures next time! Perhaps fewer words, and more topics concerning blowjobs, ****, and automobiles okay????


jeeze, its like 1000 words, have you ever read a f*** article in your life, or even a damb newspaper.

Yes, i read other articles before and at least they are important

[Jack Mehoff]

played out, hardly, this is an ongoing discussion. I am presenting my interprations to this board for individuals to view so they can get an alternate look to the war in iraq. Is ww2 played out, vietnam, korea, communism, hey, how many times have those topics come up?

My post is "played out" because, as one individual put it, you COULD NOT find any arguments, and you are so fixiated on a particuliar apporach to the war!!!-the Bush way.

Is it just me or douchebag18 alway makes assumptions? I supported the idea of USA kicking Saddam in his ****** wayyyyyyy before Bush came to the office.

[Deuterium]

KISS-Keep It Simple Stupid

Who the **** want to read a whole page essay?

Im sorry, I didnt know you attention span was limited to the likes of mad magazine. Il try and add more preety pictures next time! Perhaps fewer words, and more topics concerning blowjobs, ****, and automobiles okay????


jeeze, its like 1000 words, have you ever read a f*** article in your life, or even a damb newspaper.

Yes, i read other articles before and at least they are important

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Skaman]

played out, hardly, this is an ongoing discussion. I am presenting my interprations to this board for individuals to view so they can get an alternate look to the war in iraq. Is ww2 played out, vietnam, korea, communism, hey, how many times have those topics come up?

My post is "played out" because, as one individual put it, you COULD NOT find any arguments, and you are so fixiated on a particuliar apporach to the war!!!-the Bush way.

Is it just me or douchebag18 alway makes assumptions? I supported the idea of USA kicking Saddam in his ****** wayyyyyyy before Bush came to the office.

i cant help but assume jack when you make comments like "who wants to read a whole page essay?"

[Skaman]

Hitler would be so proud of you. (http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/index.html)

care to explain, because I DONT see the correlation between hitler, and my opinion of iraq as an unjust war

[Deuterium]

1 It appears a "War on Poverty" has been changed into a war against Germany, although Germany had no involvement in the stock market crash or the Depression.

2 I have seen no convincing proof Germany has links with Japan. If Winston Churchill has evidence he cannot present publicly, let him give it to a trusted individual to examine on our behalf.

3 Although Germany has used weapons of mass destruction(WWI), it mostly did so before the Invasion of France, when the West was happy to supply the materials to make such weapons and so by implication approved of their use.

4 The containment policies since WWI have largely been successful. Germany is not in a position to attack its neighbors without a massive military response.

5 Hitler is caught in a `Catch 22' situation. If he cooperates with the inspectors and ~ reveals where the death camps are, this will be jumped on by Churchill and Roosevelt as the "smoking gun" required to start war. If he refuses to co-operate then that too is seen as a reason to start war.

6 The German jews have suffered greatly at the hands of Hitler, but a war will cause them to suffer even more. And Hitler will disappear with his wealth to some safe haven.

7 Starting a war there could cause the whole unstable region to explode into very nasty conflicts that will have an impact for years.

8 Killing the families of young men and women in Germany will provide a recruiting ground for the SS. A war will increase the number of terrorists, not reduce it.

9 The damage to the infrastructure of Germany and the creation of a political vacuum after a war will increase the chances of dangerous materials falling into the hands of terrorists.



Ducimus is right. We never should have gone to war with Nazi Germany.

[Jack Mehoff]

douchebag18,

You make way too many assumptions. What make you think the pro-Iraq war people brainwashed by Bush? On a raise of hand how many of us here supported taking Saddam off power before Bush became president?
Hell!!! I wanted Saddam off his power since Clinton still in the White House getting blow jobs from Monica.

[Skaman]

1 It appears a "War on Poverty" has been changed into a war against Germany, although Germany had no involvement in the stock market crash or the Depression.

2 I have seen no convincing proof Germany has links with Japan. If Winston Churchill has evidence he cannot present publicly, let him give it to a trusted individual to examine on our behalf.

3 Although Germany has used weapons of mass destruction(WWI), it mostly did so before the Invasion of France, when the West was happy to supply the materials to make such weapons and so by implication approved of their use.

4 The containment policies since WWI have largely been successful. Germany is not in a position to attack its neighbors without a massive military response.

5 Hitler is caught in a `Catch 22' situation. If he cooperates with the inspectors and ~ reveals where the death camps are, this will be jumped on by Churchill and Roosevelt as the "smoking gun" required to start war. If he refuses to co-operate then that too is seen as a reason to start war.

6 The German jews have suffered greatly at the hands of Hitler, but a war will cause them to suffer even more. And Hitler will disappear with his wealth to some safe haven.

7 Starting a war there could cause the whole unstable region to explode into very nasty conflicts that will have an impact for years.

8 Killing the families of young men and women in Germany will provide a recruiting ground for the SS. A war will increase the number of terrorists, not reduce it.

9 The damage to the infrastructure of Germany and the creation of a political vacuum after a war will increase the chances of dangerous materials falling into the hands of terrorists.



Ducimus is right. We never should have gone to war with Nazi Germany.


I cant belive you think the war with the axis in ww2 is pertenat to this conflict. There are major differencies


1WW2 was hardly about economics, iraq is
2.WW2 was a global conflict, prepared to turn the whole world upside down, iraq is not
3.Hitler had devestating potentiel, Iraq has no wmd/nor did they use them IF they had them
4.iraq is backwards and a povrished state, germany was wealthy and had a substantial military
5.Hitler killed millions, saddam simply has millions of litres of oil
5.The Axis provoked the USA, the USA provoked IRAQ
6.Germany wanted post war usa help, iraq does not
7.One similarity, USA intentionally kills civillians in WW2 to send a message to the axis, USA intentionally kills iraqis to send "message" to saddam

[Skaman]

douchebag18,

You make way too many assumptions. What make you think the pro-Iraq war people brainwashed by Bush? On a raise of hand how many of us here supported taking Saddam off power before Bush became president?
Hell!!! I wanted Saddam off his power since Clinton still in the White House getting blow jobs from Monica.


i didnt say brainwashed by bush, i said brainwashed in gerneral. American media, presidental speeches,over emphesis on "divine" righs, and inflated patriotism

[Deuterium]

Hitler killed his own people and so did Saddam. As someone who FOUGHT in OIF I'm perfectly content with the premise of the war. The day of liberation on 9 April, was a day I'll remember for the rest of my life. The joyous faces of Iraqis who DID DANCE IN THE STREETS, PELT THE TROOPS WITH FLOWERS, SANG JOYOUSLY, told me all I needed about wether this war was justified or not. But hey maybe your perspective in your livingroom watching this on TV was better than mine.

[Skaman]

Hitler killed his own people and so did Saddam. As someone who FOUGHT in OIF I'm perfectly content with the premise of the war. The day of liberation on 9 April, was a day I'll remember for the rest of my life. The joyous faces of Iraqis who DID DANCE IN THE STREETS, PELT THE TROOPS WITH FLOWERS, SANG JOYOUSLY, told me all I needed about wether this war was justified or not. But hey maybe your perspective in your livingroom watching this on TV was better than mine.


and things have not changed in iraq since that glorious day??? what is the casaulity count up to??? hundreads no? waaaait, the iraqi people danced in the streets with joy, my goodness, what has happened?

[sunnysandy]

Even though this topic has been discussed many times before i am still gonna post.
Although I agree that Saddam was a bad guy who killed & tortured his own people ,was a pain in the ass,and kicking him out and destroying his regime was the right thing to do. But I dont believe that he was the type of person to support AL QAEDA .Saddam was the biggest thug but no religous fanatic,he was known to imprison and torture people who were highly religous .He saw them as a threat .
About him having WMDs ,he got some from the West to fight Iraq .Others he tried to smuggle in .I believe someone like Saddam must have definetely kept some around as insurance.
But i definetely agree that what is going on in Iraq after its liberation is not good.Deuterium, I agree that the Iraqi people were happy on being liberated,but now they know that the US went to war for oil and liberating them from saddam was something they just had to do.
I know you know the situaition better than any of us ,but no independent and free willed people like to be told what to do by foreigners pointing guns at them in their very own country.
The occupation of Iraq is definetely making new replacements for the al qaeda baddies the US killed in Afghanistan(And things arent goin on well there either)

[Skaman]

Even though this topic has been discussed many times before i am still gonna post.
Although I agree that Saddam was a bad guy who killed & tortured his own people ,was a pain in the ass,and kicking him out and destroying his regime was the right thing to do. But I dont believe that he was the type of person to support AL QAEDA .Saddam was the biggest thug but no religous fanatic,he was known to imprison and torture people who were highly religous .He saw them as a threat .
About him having WMDs ,he got some from the West to fight Iraq .Others he tried to smuggle in .I believe someone like Saddam must have definetely kept some around as insurance.
But i definetely agree that what is going on in Iraq after its liberation is not good.Deuterium, I agree that the Iraqi people were happy on being liberated,but now they know that the US went to war for oil and liberating them from saddam was something they just had to do.
I know you know the situaition better than any of us ,but no independent and free willed people like to be told what to do by foreigners pointing guns at them in their very own country.
The occupation of Iraq is definetely making new replacements for the al qaeda baddies the US killed in Afghanistan(And things arent goin on well there either)

hopefully that will put things in perspective for you budanski etc.

[Fargin]

And what is good, Phædrus,
And what is not good...
Need we ask anyone to tell us these things?
Ducimus18, why waste time making a wellthought argument, please remember what you're up against. Don't talk politics with soldiers, to them it's do or die. If you're 18 as your username indicates, you should spend your pressious youth on lying to girls, like any respectable man would do.

My prejudice directed towards Bush and US policies is locked solid and I use media as most people, to confirm my prejudice. There's no need to pretend discussing serious matters, when none of us have any intentions of listening.

You can either sidetrack the dialouge with brutal or surgical messiurs. When people stop being polite, dicsussions becomes as real as life on MTV. Apparently Ducimus18 used time and effort to post 1.000 words that he proberly knew would offend the majority and he got a swift reaction. Ducimus18 provided the oil refinery, gassoaked toiletpaper, flamable methan farts and the zippo2000 flamethrower and all he had to do was sit back and wait.



1.000 words vs. douchebag18?



1) Ducimus18 got confirmed that everyone who support the war, has limited vocabularies, blinded by Fox and are as bright as Bush.

2) The anti-Ducimus18 loby got confirmed that Ducimus18 is the new pseudo-intelectual kid on the block, who equals the ability to find a link/quote from a liberal newssource(name any) with reinventing the wheel or female blowup doll.

3) I got confirmed that I take these online pissing contests too freaking serious when I'm sober and that typing broken english still is a female dog. I would like to hear from both parts what was acomplised or learned durring this thread.

To start things off I'd like to share my wisdom gained:

I'll try never again to click on General Discussion without five genuine bottles of Miller restraint.

p-) Just some thoughts and bottoms up! :D



P.S. I really hope you appreaciate the efforts I put into the colorwork, the misspellings and bad grammar. :|

[budanski]

hopefully that will put things in perspective for you budanski etc.

In perspective of what? Gimme documented evidence that the U.S. supplied Iraq with chemical weapons used on the Kurds. Apparently, you cant comprehend the term "war on terrorism." I don't recall anyone here linking Iraq to 9/11? As with Afghanistan, this is a war on terrorism and Saddam is a well known/documented supporter of international terrorism. Ask your buddies Hamas and Hezbollah

Its amazing how many times Deuterium has to hint it off to your thick skull that what you read and hear on tv counters what he had experienced first hand in Iraq, yet you still have the gall to challenge it. :roll:

[XASA]

What's great about America is freedom of speech; we can say or write whatever we want. This forum is a prime example of that freedom. Those who are against the war are welcome to state their opinion. I readily admit that I have issues with the Bush administration's policies and I have the opportunity to argue my point with friends and colleagues. I do not try to berate them or condemn them for supporting Bush, and certainly wouldn't do so in any forum that attracts a wide range of opinion.

Why do people continue to post their anti-American blasts in this particular forum? This is a web site that is extraordinarily pro-military and pro-American, so when someone uses his or her freedom of speech to condemn Americans, its culture and its brave soldiers, who have yet to commit a war crime, while their opponents are bombing Red Cross and UN buildings and killing innocent civilians, forum members become, understandably, upset and respond. Why are people surprise at the harsh rhetoric and anger? Did you expect freedom of information works only one way? Are we suppose to accept the wisdom of European and Canadian computer geeks with no military experience? No one likes it when someone from another country denigrates his country.

Also, active duty miltiary and veterans tend to shun sites that are "off topic" when it comes to sharing information. That would be a great loss if that would occur here because of a few people who continue to post threads that are anti-military.

As Harry Truman once said, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Or as one of my G.I. buddies said years ago, "Don't start nothing, won't be nothing!"

[Skaman]

What's great about America is freedom of speech; we can say or write whatever we want. This forum is a prime example of that freedom. Those who are against the war are welcome to state their opinion. I readily admit that I have issues with the Bush administration's policies and I have the opportunity to argue my point with friends and colleagues. I do not try to berate them or condemn them for supporting Bush, and certainly wouldn't do so in any forum that attracts a wide range of opinion.

Why do people continue to post their anti-American blasts in this particular forum? This is a web site that is extraordinarily pro-military and pro-American, so when someone uses his or her freedom of speech to condemn Americans, its culture and its brave soldiers, who have yet to commit a war crime, while their opponents are bombing Red Cross and UN buildings and killing innocent civilians, forum members become, understandably, upset and respond. Why are people surprise at the harsh rhetoric and anger? Did you expect freedom of information works only one way? Are we suppose to accept the wisdom of European and Canadian computer geeks with no military experience? No one likes it when someone from another country denigrates his country.

Also, active duty miltiary and veterans tend to shun sites that are "off topic" when it comes to sharing information. That would be a great loss if that would occur here because of a few people who continue to post threads that are anti-military.

As Harry Truman once said, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Or as one of my G.I. buddies said years ago, "Don't start nothing, won't be nothing!"


I am neither anti-military nor ill experienced. And no, I am not an arm chair warrior from Europe,I am Canadian!!!, and a god damb infantry reservist!!! I friggin love guns, shootin ****, exercies, military history,...what I dont like in unecessary death, and im gonna "blast" those reponsible. Wether you bush followers like it or not.

[XASA]

What's great about America is freedom of speech; we can say or write whatever we want. This forum is a prime example of that freedom. Those who are against the war are welcome to state their opinion. I readily admit that I have issues with the Bush administration's policies and I have the opportunity to argue my point with friends and colleagues. I do not try to berate them or condemn them for supporting Bush, and certainly wouldn't do so in any forum that attracts a wide range of opinion.

Why do people continue to post their anti-American blasts in this particular forum? This is a web site that is extraordinarily pro-military and pro-American, so when someone uses his or her freedom of speech to condemn Americans, its culture and its brave soldiers, who have yet to commit a war crime, while their opponents are bombing Red Cross and UN buildings and killing innocent civilians, forum members become, understandably, upset and respond. Why are people surprise at the harsh rhetoric and anger? Did you expect freedom of information works only one way? Are we suppose to accept the wisdom of European and Canadian computer geeks with no military experience? No one likes it when someone from another country denigrates his country.

Also, active duty miltiary and veterans tend to shun sites that are "off topic" when it comes to sharing information. That would be a great loss if that would occur here because of a few people who continue to post threads that are anti-military.

As Harry Truman once said, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Or as one of my G.I. buddies said years ago, "Don't start nothing, won't be nothing!"


I am neither anti-military nor ill experienced. And no, I am not an arm chair warrior from Europe,I am Canadian!!!, and a god damb infantry reservist!!! I friggin love guns, shootin ****, exercies, military history,...what I dont like in unecessary death, and im gonna "blast" those reponsible. Wether you bush followers like it or not.

Well, if you are going to continue with your rants please improve your communication skills, specifically reading and writing. I think half the problem is that your 8th grade level English gives most people a headache. ;)

[Skaman]

What's great about America is freedom of speech; we can say or write whatever we want. This forum is a prime example of that freedom. Those who are against the war are welcome to state their opinion. I readily admit that I have issues with the Bush administration's policies and I have the opportunity to argue my point with friends and colleagues. I do not try to berate them or condemn them for supporting Bush, and certainly wouldn't do so in any forum that attracts a wide range of opinion.

Why do people continue to post their anti-American blasts in this particular forum? This is a web site that is extraordinarily pro-military and pro-American, so when someone uses his or her freedom of speech to condemn Americans, its culture and its brave soldiers, who have yet to commit a war crime, while their opponents are bombing Red Cross and UN buildings and killing innocent civilians, forum members become, understandably, upset and respond. Why are people surprise at the harsh rhetoric and anger? Did you expect freedom of information works only one way? Are we suppose to accept the wisdom of European and Canadian computer geeks with no military experience? No one likes it when someone from another country denigrates his country.

Also, active duty miltiary and veterans tend to shun sites that are "off topic" when it comes to sharing information. That would be a great loss if that would occur here because of a few people who continue to post threads that are anti-military.

As Harry Truman once said, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Or as one of my G.I. buddies said years ago, "Don't start nothing, won't be nothing!"


I am neither anti-military nor ill experienced. And no, I am not an arm chair warrior from Europe,I am Canadian!!!, and a god damb infantry reservist!!! I friggin love guns, shootin ****, exercies, military history,...what I dont like in unecessary death, and im gonna "blast" those reponsible. Wether you bush followers like it or not.

Well, if you are going to continue with your rants please improve your communication skills, specifically reading and writing. I think half the problem is that your 8th grade level English gives most people a headache. ;)


hahahaha, your kidding right? may I ask, what are your english credentials? my 8th grade skills, hahaa!!! I am in english 216 at UCC, a technical writting course;one of the hardest on campus. Care to share your english background before you jump the gun?

[hood]

iraq is backwards and a povrished state, germany was wealthy and had a substantial military

Germany was a wealthy country before ww2? The whole world was going through the depression right around those times. According to Nazi propaganda, unemployment was at an all time low, but these facts helped that number.

From a www.historylearningsite.co.uk:


Women were no longer included in the statistics so any women who remained out of work under the Nazi’s rule did not exist as far as the statistics were concerned.

The unemployed were given a very simple choice: do whatever work is given to you by the government or be classed as "work-shy" and put in a concentration camp.

Jews lost their citizenship in 1935 and as a result were not included in unemployment figures even though many lost their employment at the start of Hitler’s time in power.

With these measures in place the unemployment figure had to fall drastically and many saw the Nazi figures as nothing more than a book-keeping trick. However, many would have been too scared to speak out against the Nazis or pass negative comments on the published figures - such was the fear of the Gestapo.

[XASA]

hahahaha, your kidding right? may I ask, what are your english credentials? my 8th grade skills, hahaa!!! I am in english 216 at UCC, a technical writting course;one of the hardest on campus. Care to share your english background before you jump the gun?

:cantbeli:

[budanski]

hahahaha, your kidding right? may I ask, what are your english credentials? my 8th grade skills, hahaa!!! I am in english 216 at UCC, a technical writting course;one of the hardest on campus. Care to share your english background before you jump the gun?

With that logic, who the hell are you to debate military matters with the likes of Xasa and Deuterium?

[Skaman]

hahahaha, your kidding right? may I ask, what are your english credentials? my 8th grade skills, hahaa!!! I am in english 216 at UCC, a technical writting course;one of the hardest on campus. Care to share your english background before you jump the gun?

With that logic, who the hell are you to debate military matters with the likes of Xasa and Deuterium?

Because, I am well traveled, well read, an active service member, and generally, I can say what I want, when I want. (I have such an ego)
hahaha rofl

[Jack Mehoff]

hahahaha, your kidding right? may I ask, what are your english credentials? my 8th grade skills, hahaa!!! I am in english 216 at UCC, a technical writting course;one of the hardest on campus. Care to share your english background before you jump the gun?

With that logic, who the hell are you to debate military matters with the likes of Xasa and Deuterium?

Because, I am well traveled, well read, an active service member, and generally, I can say what I want, when I want. (I have such an ego)
hahaha rofl

Travel? Where? rofl

Honestly!! I wouldn't trust you with a water gun. I still don't understand why Canada military let a so call conscientious objector punk join their military.

[budanski]

Because, I am well traveled

I hardly call crossing into Michigan to pick up a 6-pack and some smokes "well traveled"

[Skaman]

Because, I am well traveled

I hardly call crossing into Michigan to pick up a 6-pack and some smokes "well traveled"

ha, how about Europe, South America,cross canada, and the USA? Additionally, I am leaving for Croatia this April, so....YOU ARE WRONG, WRONG!!!!

[Skaman]

hahahaha, your kidding right? may I ask, what are your english credentials? my 8th grade skills, hahaa!!! I am in english 216 at UCC, a technical writting course;one of the hardest on campus. Care to share your english background before you jump the gun?

With that logic, who the hell are you to debate military matters with the likes of Xasa and Deuterium?

Because, I am well traveled, well read, an active service member, and generally, I can say what I want, when I want. (I have such an ego)
hahaha rofl

Travel? Where? rofl

Honestly!! I wouldn't trust you with a water gun. I still don't understand why Canada military let a so call conscientious objector punk join their military.


I cant belive they let jack touch an artillery shell, no wait, ya i do. hahaha, ARTILLERY...

than again, somones gotta do it, might as well be someone like jack

[Jack Mehoff]

It's great being a crunchie and a red leg :lol: Better than some reserve canuck(douchebag18) and the "combat" he ever been into is in this forum, just don't kill me with your floppy disk rofl

[Trigger]

doofus maximus wrote:

played out, hardly, this is an ongoing discussion. I am presenting my interprations to this board for individuals to view so they can get an alternate look to the war in iraq. Is ww2 played out, vietnam, korea, communism, hey, how many times have those topics come up?

My post is "played out" because, as one individual put it, you COULD NOT find any arguments, and you are so fixiated on a particuliar apporach to the war!!!-the Bush way.
In case you hadn't noticed, people have rejected your idiotic posts from the start. There are a lot of people here who love to discuss things in a logical, intelligent manner. Unfortunately those two requirements disqualify you from being taken seriously. You've only been (figuratively) beaten over the head with this on a daily basis, but you still fail to get the message: Nobody gives a flying f**k what you have to say.
I realize that you ride the 'short bus' everywhere you go, but just for redundancy's sake I'll say it again: You are an idiot, and your so-called arguments are grounded in stupidity.

[Skaman]

It's great being a crunchie and a red leg :lol: Better than some reserve canuck(douchebag18) and the "combat" he ever been into is in this forum, just don't kill me with your floppy disk rofl


you have no idea of my current experience. I would be overseas in a heartbeat if my post seconday education did not get in the way. I actully want to make something of my life. Once I have completed my education, a ROTO will be the first thing I do. Cureently I have only been in a little over a year, yet I have done much, more so than most can say. Shall I share?

1.Firefighting during Canada's civil emergency
2.NBC prototype response exercise, involving 15 NATO nations
3.Mountain Ops's quliification-scaling the rockies over 14 hours with 1 hour of sleep
4.Ticks and Comms
5.Spt. Weapons
6.Basic Training complete, light infantry qualified


What does jack do...uhhh, i put the big bullet in the hole...duh....

[Skaman]

doofus maximus wrote:

played out, hardly, this is an ongoing discussion. I am presenting my interprations to this board for individuals to view so they can get an alternate look to the war in iraq. Is ww2 played out, vietnam, korea, communism, hey, how many times have those topics come up?

My post is "played out" because, as one individual put it, you COULD NOT find any arguments, and you are so fixiated on a particuliar apporach to the war!!!-the Bush way.
In case you hadn't noticed, people have rejected your idiotic posts from the start. There are a lot of people here who love to discuss things in a logical, intelligent manner. Unfortunately those two requirements disqualify you from being taken seriously. You've only been (figuratively) beaten over the head with this on a daily basis, but you still fail to get the message: Nobody gives a flying f**k what you have to say.
I realize that you ride the 'short bus' everywhere you go, but just for redundancy's sake I'll say it again: You are an idiot, and your so-called arguments are grounded in stupidity.

grounded in stupidity, how does my original post ont this thread do so????

please provide an explanation and evidence.

[budanski]

:roll:

*disclaimer all insults directed at Doucebag18 will now be redireted to Doucebag19. That is all.

[Skaman]

:roll:

*disclaimer all insults directed at Doucebag18 will now be redireted to Doucebag19. That is all.

ah, i turned 19 a few months ago, just forgot to change my name.

[Trigger]

****less19 wrote:

please provide an explanation and evidence.
Every word you have posted, regardless of grammatical or spelling errors is all the evidence that is needed to confirm your mental deficiency.

...by the way, do you buy headwear at the XXXL store?
Boy, you're so arrogant it's unbelievable. Do you actually believe the garbage you post?

[Skaman]

****less19 wrote:

please provide an explanation and evidence.
Every word you have posted, regardless of grammatical or spelling errors is all the evidence that is needed to confirm your mental deficiency.

...by the way, do you buy headwear at the XXXL store?
Boy, you're so arrogant it's unbelievable. Do you actually believe the garbage you post?

Again, take a quote from my initial post and disprove it trigger, or at best, provide a counter argument.

[Trigger]

Again, Nobody (this includes me) gives a flying f**k what you have to say so why should I counter something I don't care about?

[budanski]

For the sake of humor, your accusations of "stolen oil" from Iraq. Care to elaborate?

[Skaman]

Again, Nobody (this includes me) gives a flying f**k what you have to say so why should I counter something I don't care about?


what an exscuse, that one takes the cake.

[fisheyestudio]

Hey howdy hey Ducimus19!

I can tell you are a thinker and I respect that. I spend alot of time with the youth of my church and thinking "deep" thoughts is not high on the list these days (but we are making progress).

I can also understand how your "objective" posts have become more and more of a personal battle against those who disagree with you...and the mudslinging commenses.

Pride really does come before the fall and I hope that all of use here, irregardless of our lifes experience, never reach a point of being unteachable. If we can "keep our heads while those about us are loosing theirs and blaming it on us"... then we might do more than humor one another and waste time.

How important is it to you to be right, correct, the victor in the verbal arena. I have to ask myself this question often. Is it more important to be right or to find the truth. One of the writers of proverbs wrote this, "The end of joy may be grief". What is the point of winning if you loose.

With ALL that said...have you, as a thinker, taken the time to filter the information and events you see around you through the Old and New Testament Scriptures. Have you spent any time seeking to understand the bigger picture? Of course you have every right to blow off what I just said in the same way that others so annoyingly do to your posts...

May Jesus peirce our hearts and minds with the Truth.

[Vance]

Am I the only one who thinks ****mus didn't write all that? :roll:

[budanski]

Nothing?



blah blah blah blah blah stolen their oil, blah blah blah blah.


Its comments like this that turns everyone away.

Back to the subject.

The accusations never quit, but no one can point to a single instance where the US has ever stolen anyone's oil, ever.

It doesn't happen. The US doesn't work that way, and certainly the US oil industry doesn't work that way. Doesn't have to.

The opposite is true, in fact. Mexico nationalized the US-built oil industry there in the twenties. The U.S. didn't go to war, we negotiated a settlement and walked away. The Venezuelans did the same thing to the U.S. in the seventies. Again, the U.S. negotiated a settlement, and walked away friends. The companies that lost their assets still assist their old subsidiaries on a consulting basis.

No one who is remotely familiar with the contract negotiations that go on for the privilege of drilling for someone else's oil could accuse the US of stealing. It is very competitive.

So before you make such accusations, do some research first.

[Herrmannek]

When you don't know thing is about it's about money.
ble ble ble money ble ble ble :)

[Jack Mehoff]

It's great being a crunchie and a red leg :lol: Better than some reserve canuck(douchebag18) and the "combat" he ever been into is in this forum, just don't kill me with your floppy disk rofl


you have no idea of my current experience. I would be overseas in a heartbeat if my post seconday education did not get in the way. I actully want to make something of my life. Once I have completed my education, a ROTO will be the first thing I do. Cureently I have only been in a little over a year, yet I have done much, more so than most can say. Shall I share?

1.Firefighting during Canada's civil emergency
2.NBC prototype response exercise, involving 15 NATO nations
3.Mountain Ops's quliification-scaling the rockies over 14 hours with 1 hour of sleep
4.Ticks and Comms
5.Spt. Weapons
6.Basic Training complete, light infantry qualified


What does jack do...uhhh, i put the big bullet in the hole...duh....

I know you are too stupid to understand this but let me elaborate this for you There are people in US Army that hold multiple MOS.
and the only "combat" you ever been in is Counter Strike and the only place you ever set your foot on is North America

[NcDeuce]

Our Govermnent has been trying to convince us war with Iraq may become necessary, but the arguments are far from convincing.


We are told Iraq has "weapons of mass destruction". No evidence Iraq still has them has been uncovered by UN weapons inspectors despite their unfettered access, and no firm evidence has been put forward by the US or Britain.


We are told that Saddam Hussein is a cruel tyrant. He may be, but many tyrants head governments and this did not stop the West doing deals with him when it suited us.


Iraq is accused of disobeying UN resolutions, but it is far from alone in this. Israel has disobeyed UN resolutions but the US still protects Israel despite its atrocious human rights record.


When Tony Blair and George W Bush talk of Iraq, they are keen to mention al Qaida, yet there is no proven link between Iraq and this organisation. Many Saudis are amongst the ranks of al Qaida and Osama bin Laden is a citizen of that country, yet noboby talks of invading Saudi Arabia.


1 do not believe any of these reasons motivate the US and Britain. They are put forward as propaganda. The real causes are political and economic. Politically, we threaten Iraq because we can, rather in the way a school bully threatens a small victim. Having beaten Iraq once and driven its armies from Kuwait, it makes, a good scapegoat this time around.


How can it win against the overwhelming firepower of the US? Would the West contemplate military force against a more powerful country - perhaps one with nuclear arms? 1 think not!


Meanwhile, Bush struts his stuff in John Wayne style. He is 'seen to be doing something' after September 11 but it is akin to having a bad day at the office and coming home and kicking the dog! However, it makes him look good to the American electorate, at least until the bodybags of American servicemen start to arrive home. For Blair, too, how much better to be standing on the world stage advocating the righting of wrongs by military might than having to concentrate on education, health and transport in his own country.

This posturing serves to distract us from home issues.


Economically, the US is the most oil-hungry country in the world (and, per capita, the most polluting). Its electorate demands cheap and plentiful oil and will tolerate nothing less. To meet this need, the US needs to look beyond its shores to secure supplies from compliant foreign producers. Saddam Hussein is no longer compliant, so it is in America's interests to topple him. In attacking Iraq, the Middle East already a volatile area will become even less stable. The hatred generated will provide a steady stream of recruits for acts of terrorism against the West for years to come.

http://apling.freeservers.com/Kosovo/IraqScapegoat.htm

Plagiarism

YOU ARE WORTHLESS.

[RealUltimatePower]

The fact you can blame Madeline Albright for the sanctions killing Iraqis shows me that there is something seriously wrong in your thinking process. (or lack thereof) Blame Saddam for starving his people. The UN food for oil program was designed to feed the population of Iraq in return for oil but prevent Saddam from using oil revenues to build more palaces and fund his military. The factor they left out was that Saddam is a murdering sadist and used money that was meant for food for his military anyways.

If you were in support of ending the sanctions then you should be in support of the removal of Saddam.

Oh and this whole thread is a disgrace to Canadians who actually believe in doing what is right. You do not deserve to have the motto of the infantry as your screename.

[NcDeuce]

why dont you offer a counter argument? Instead, you plead the posts which bring a good point should be removed. Why is everyone on this forum so intent on only hearing the War from a pro stance, and anything else is dismissed as garbage. Open your mind and get a second oppinion guys.

Only the dead have seen the end of war. -Plato

Now, look if a guy centuries and centuries ago can get the idea, I know you can. Wars will never cease. Violence is inevitable. Criminals, murderers, tyrants, and terrorists will always exist. And they must be fought until the end of time. Now deal with it.

By the way, plagiarism can get you fined and tossed into prison. I advise citing your sources or providing an author. You need to open your mind and get a second opinion (note the spelling).

[Haiw]

trust me TF160SOAR, quoting plato aint the smartest idea ever.....i had quite a lot of lessons on plato and i can tell u, that guy really produced a ****load of crap... :lol:

[Ratamacue]

Hooray, douche is a plagiarizer! Any relatively strong arguments you made just went right out the window! Congratulations!

[NcDeuce]

quoting plato aint the smartest idea ever
No, Plato was not the smartest man in the world, however this particular quote is so true. I was just quoting it because the man deserves credit for this statement, besides didn't want someone to bust out with a, "Hey, you didn't write that...etc."

[budanski]

But, but Doucebag19 was so well versed, this can't be happening. rofl

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Ok guys i dont know when i seen important and the name ducimus19-or 18 attached to it and same with a long paragraph i passed this over. I think there are much better things to do in this forum then roast ducimus19 all of the time...like how bout them cadpat arid camoflauge..nice **** and i hope they all get outfitted asap.
so im pretty sure you've all proved your points somewere in here but its just too much to read rofl

[usa320]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/negative12.jpg

Cross out the word thread, and insert "spam".

[Otsoa]

hahahaha, your kidding right? may I ask, what are your english credentials? my 8th grade skills, hahaa!!! I am in english 216 at UCC, a technical writting course;one of the hardest on campus. Care to share your english background before you jump the gun?

With that logic, who the hell are you to debate military matters with the likes of Xasa and Deuterium?

Because, I am well traveled, well read, an active service member, and generally, I can say what I want, when I want. (I have such an ego)
hahaha rofl

Hmmmmm I may be a newbie to the forum but I have got to get to the bottom of this. Deut says that he is attending UCC and taking English 216. Now lets assume that UCC= The University College of the Cariboo in Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada. Now Deut says that he is taking a second year english class that is a technical reading class. Let's take a look at the evidence shall we? On the UCC fall schedule it states that English 209 is the technical writing class while good ol' 216 is "ENGL 216 Introduction to American Literature 1
Prerequisite: C (or better) in two first-year Academic English courses, or instructor's written consent"
for more info go to http://www.cariboo.bc.ca/admreg/course_schedule/fall/ and look under E for English courses

Now it disheartens me that a student of UCC would lie about his academic credentials and now it is proven that he plagiarized that little essay that he posted in his first message. As a member of UCC's student body I'm appalled to see a fellow student who plagiarizes and it would be a pity if you were to do this for your school assignments.

[NcDeuce]

Quote:
Our Govermnent has been trying to convince us war with Iraq may become necessary, but the arguments are far from convincing.


We are told Iraq has "weapons of mass destruction". No evidence Iraq still has them has been uncovered by UN weapons inspectors despite their unfettered access, and no firm evidence has been put forward by the US or Britain.


We are told that Saddam Hussein is a cruel tyrant. He may be, but many tyrants head governments and this did not stop the West doing deals with him when it suited us.


Iraq is accused of disobeying UN resolutions, but it is far from alone in this. Israel has disobeyed UN resolutions but the US still protects Israel despite its atrocious human rights record.


When Tony Blair and George W Bush talk of Iraq, they are keen to mention al Qaida, yet there is no proven link between Iraq and this organisation. Many Saudis are amongst the ranks of al Qaida and Osama bin Laden is a citizen of that country, yet noboby talks of invading Saudi Arabia.


1 do not believe any of these reasons motivate the US and Britain. They are put forward as propaganda. The real causes are political and economic. Politically, we threaten Iraq because we can, rather in the way a school bully threatens a small victim. Having beaten Iraq once and driven its armies from Kuwait, it makes, a good scapegoat this time around.


How can it win against the overwhelming firepower of the US? Would the West contemplate military force against a more powerful country - perhaps one with nuclear arms? 1 think not!


Meanwhile, Bush struts his stuff in John Wayne style. He is 'seen to be doing something' after September 11 but it is akin to having a bad day at the office and coming home and kicking the dog! However, it makes him look good to the American electorate, at least until the bodybags of American servicemen start to arrive home. For Blair, too, how much better to be standing on the world stage advocating the righting of wrongs by military might than having to concentrate on education, health and transport in his own country.

This posturing serves to distract us from home issues.


Economically, the US is the most oil-hungry country in the world (and, per capita, the most polluting). Its electorate demands cheap and plentiful oil and will tolerate nothing less. To meet this need, the US needs to look beyond its shores to secure supplies from compliant foreign producers. Saddam Hussein is no longer compliant, so it is in America's interests to topple him. In attacking Iraq, the Middle East already a volatile area will become even less stable. The hatred generated will provide a steady stream of recruits for acts of terrorism against the West for years to come.


http://apling.freeservers.com/Kosovo/IraqScapegoat.htm




Tis true

[Skaman]

Hooray, douche is a plagiarizer! Any relatively strong arguments you made just went right out the window! Congratulations!


I dont recall saying I wrote that, I posted the info, rather than displaying links as few people would likely click them. I meerly redistributed those points as I tend to agree with them.

[Skaman]

hahahaha, your kidding right? may I ask, what are your english credentials? my 8th grade skills, hahaa!!! I am in english 216 at UCC, a technical writting course;one of the hardest on campus. Care to share your english background before you jump the gun?

With that logic, who the hell are you to debate military matters with the likes of Xasa and Deuterium?

Because, I am well traveled, well read, an active service member, and generally, I can say what I want, when I want. (I have such an ego)
hahaha rofl

Hmmmmm I may be a newbie to the forum but I have got to get to the bottom of this. Deut says that he is attending UCC and taking English 216. Now lets assume that UCC= The University College of the Cariboo in Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada. Now Deut says that he is taking a second year english class that is a technical reading class. Let's take a look at the evidence shall we? On the UCC fall schedule it states that English 209 is the technical writing class while good ol' 216 is "ENGL 216 Introduction to American Literature 1
Prerequisite: C (or better) in two first-year Academic English courses, or instructor's written consent"
for more info go to http://www.cariboo.bc.ca/admreg/course_schedule/fall/ and look under E for English courses

Now it disheartens me that a student of UCC would lie about his academic credentials and now it is proven that he plagiarized that little essay that he posted in his first message. As a member of UCC's student body I'm appalled to see a fellow student who plagiarizes and it would be a pity if you were to do this for your school assignments.


and no, i am not lying, my current academic standings are as I put them. Check again, history 216, and english 201 ARE authentic course as I describred.

[Ratamacue]

Your original post has nothing that indicates you didn't write it, let alone who DID write it. Thus, though PERHAPS not your intention, you took credit for his work.

[Skaman]

Your original post has nothing that indicates you didn't write it, let alone who DID write it. Thus, though PERHAPS not your intention, you took credit for his work.

not at all, sorry if you assumed that, but review my posts, I never once indicated it was my work, meerely opinions I agree with.

Writting that size of an essay takes time, and honestly, I save something of that extent for a possibe paper or news article submittion. my posts tend to include realtive "tid bits", pertinent to the thread. While this post was a grand amalgmation of many of my oppinions and a great oppurtunity to post them all at once.

clear enough? nice try though guys.....

[Skaman]

A fellow user of militaryphotos.net sent this to my inbox, and I think he summarizes some important points. This guy nailed my general feeling to the T. I will not include his username, as it is not imporant, nor did he give me permition, so dont ask.....



Man... telling those guys the facts in your thread really got their blood up. Hehe... I realised that the most vocal on the board has kind of taken it over in that any criticism, however legitimate, of the current US administration and it's directions in Iraq is attacked.

This is supposed to be a mil.photos board but some are using it as a cheer platform where they can slap themselves on the back for how much they agree with FOX News and the various lies emanating from the Whitehouse these days.

Anyone who disagrees is attacked... not asked for their point of view.

That is the proven tactic of the right... attack, attack, and attack. Never allow a platform for dissent and never allow a fact to stand in the way of an opinion.

I would'nt worry too much about those guys jumping all over you with their childish graphics and barely comprehensible English.

Let the thread die. The best tactic to challenge their assumptions is to give them enough rope on a thread, find a point which you know is wrong, and give a different view, backing it up with sources. Then sit back and watch the back-pedalling. When the attacks come on your posts simply affirm your statement, invite sourced refutations, and spotlight their idiocy with a simple jibe.

Best thing to do is to pick a specific battle in a thread and win it, not start a whole war with a new thread. :-)

Works for me. Search for my username in the search box above.

Good luck...

[Otsoa]

hahahaha, your kidding right? may I ask, what are your english credentials? my 8th grade skills, hahaa!!! I am in english 216 at UCC, a technical writting course;one of the hardest on campus. Care to share your english background before you jump the gun?

With that logic, who the hell are you to debate military matters with the likes of Xasa and Deuterium?

Because, I am well traveled, well read, an active service member, and generally, I can say what I want, when I want. (I have such an ego)
hahaha rofl

Hmmmmm I may be a newbie to the forum but I have got to get to the bottom of this. Deut says that he is attending UCC and taking English 216. Now lets assume that UCC= The University College of the Cariboo in Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada. Now Deut says that he is taking a second year english class that is a technical reading class. Let's take a look at the evidence shall we? On the UCC fall schedule it states that English 209 is the technical writing class while good ol' 216 is "ENGL 216 Introduction to American Literature 1
Prerequisite: C (or better) in two first-year Academic English courses, or instructor's written consent"
for more info go to http://www.cariboo.bc.ca/admreg/course_schedule/fall/ and look under E for English courses

Now it disheartens me that a student of UCC would lie about his academic credentials and now it is proven that he plagiarized that little essay that he posted in his first message. As a member of UCC's student body I'm appalled to see a fellow student who plagiarizes and it would be a pity if you were to do this for your school assignments.


and no, i am not lying, my current academic standings are as I put them. Check again, history 216, and english 201 ARE authentic course as I describred.

Okay fair enough, you made a simple mistake and accidently typed english 216 instead of 201. Fair enough. Just don't fall asleep in Yarmie's Hist 216 class...he tends to frown on that. As far as the article goes, you should have noted that the article was written by an unknown and that it represented your outlook on the current situation...less chance for mistakes that way

[Skaman]

hahahaha, your kidding right? may I ask, what are your english credentials? my 8th grade skills, hahaa!!! I am in english 216 at UCC, a technical writting course;one of the hardest on campus. Care to share your english background before you jump the gun?

With that logic, who the hell are you to debate military matters with the likes of Xasa and Deuterium?

Because, I am well traveled, well read, an active service member, and generally, I can say what I want, when I want. (I have such an ego)
hahaha rofl

Hmmmmm I may be a newbie to the forum but I have got to get to the bottom of this. Deut says that he is attending UCC and taking English 216. Now lets assume that UCC= The University College of the Cariboo in Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada. Now Deut says that he is taking a second year english class that is a technical reading class. Let's take a look at the evidence shall we? On the UCC fall schedule it states that English 209 is the technical writing class while good ol' 216 is "ENGL 216 Introduction to American Literature 1
Prerequisite: C (or better) in two first-year Academic English courses, or instructor's written consent"
for more info go to http://www.cariboo.bc.ca/admreg/course_schedule/fall/ and look under E for English courses

Now it disheartens me that a student of UCC would lie about his academic credentials and now it is proven that he plagiarized that little essay that he posted in his first message. As a member of UCC's student body I'm appalled to see a fellow student who plagiarizes and it would be a pity if you were to do this for your school assignments.


and no, i am not lying, my current academic standings are as I put them. Check again, history 216, and english 201 ARE authentic course as I describred.

Okay fair enough, you made a simple mistake and accidently typed english 216 instead of 201. Fair enough. Just don't fall asleep in Yarmie's Hist 216 class...he tends to frown on that. As far as the article goes, you should have noted that the article was written by an unknown and that it represented your outlook on the current situation...less chance for mistakes that way


Ha, ive had yarmie, I think hes a great prof. Although, my 216 prof is St.John, and I like her.

[usa320]

I didnt want to have to do this, but im left with few options.

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[budanski]

Your original post has nothing that indicates you didn't write it, let alone who DID write it. Thus, though PERHAPS not your intention, you took credit for his work.

not at all, sorry if you assumed that, but review my posts, I never once indicated it was my work, meerely opinions I agree with.

Writting that size of an essay takes time, and honestly, I save something of that extent for a possibe paper or news article submittion. my posts tend to include realtive "tid bits", pertinent to the thread. While this post was a grand amalgmation of many of my oppinions and a great oppurtunity to post them all at once.

clear enough? nice try though guys.....

Backtracking now, are we? rofl


I am presenting my interprations to this board for individuals to view so they can get an alternate look to the war in iraq.

This is rich. For someone supposely such a free thinker and "well versed" its seems you had to resort to plagerism.

[redhawk_six]

I skimmed what he wrote, and while I don't agree with some of his points, I found it to be not at all ignorant. Just because his opinion is different from yours does not make him ignorant!

There is a lot of arogance on these forums. You all think that your opinion is the right one, and anyone who says otherwise is stupid and ignorant. News Flash! They are just opinions, there is no such thing as a right or wrong opinion!!

Oh! Gee! Someone doesn't agree with you? Get used to it! Don't flame them with petty insults like many of you have done here!

You disagree with him, fine, post your opinion, in an intellegent, non-insulting way.

Many of you are acting like little kids here. You're grown up, stop the childish insults and flaming!

The arogance of some of you drives me up the friggin wall sometimes. Grow up!

[Jack Mehoff]

I skimmed what he wrote, and while I don't agree with some of his points, I found it to be not at all ignorant. Just because his opinion is different from yours does not make him ignorant!

There is a lot of arogance on these forums. You all think that your opinion is the right one, and anyone who says otherwise is stupid and ignorant. News Flash! They are just opinions, there is no such thing as a right or wrong opinion!!

Oh! Gee! Someone doesn't agree with you? Get used to it! Don't flame them with petty insults like many of you have done here!

You disagree with him, fine, post your opinion, in an intellegent, non-insulting way.

Many of you are acting like little kids here. You're grown up, stop the childish insults and flaming!

The arogance of some of you drives me up the friggin wall sometimes. Grow up!

Doucebag18 went above and beyond posting his opinions. Instead of constructive criticism to an individual(President Bush) but he chose to make insulted comments to Americans and America. I have this urge to insult Canada and Canadians because of one idiot Canuck but I'm discipline enough to restrain it. It's no coincidence even non-Americans don't even like his pie hole.

Here's a hint: click on doucebag18's profile and click on "Find all posts by doucebag18"

[StarvingStudent47]

I dont recall saying I wrote that, I posted the info, rather than displaying links as few people would likely click them. I meerly redistributed those points as I tend to agree with them.

At every school I've ever visited, the assumption is that

a) If you don't attribute a work to someone else, you are declaring it your own.

b) If you use someone else's work, you must say whose work it is/where you got it from.

If you operate under the assumption that you can reprint other's writing word-for-word just because you never specifically said "I wrote this"...prepare to be expelled for academic dishonesty.

On a message board, the two ways to show that the work is not yours is
1) Give a link (at the top or bottom of the quoted text) to show where you got it from;
2) Enclose it in quotation marks, or the forum's "quote" formatting option.

[StarvingStudent47]

hahahaha, your kidding right? may I ask, what are your english credentials? my 8th grade skills, hahaa!!! I am in english 216 at UCC, a technical writting course;one of the hardest on campus. Care to share your english background before you jump the gun?
...
I am well traveled, well read, an active service member...

You know, humility isn't the most common trait on this board, but I think you win the award for most arrogant, pompous windbag here. And in case you haven't noticed, NO ONE is impressed that you're enrolled in a university technical writing course.

And just for the record, you're not the highest-educated person on the board, so you can drop the "holier-than-thou" rhetoric any time now. It's a real turn-off.

As for "well-traveled" and "active service member," a LOT of people here are gonna crush you when it comes to those credentials. So how about you put the ruler down and put your willie back in your trousers?

[Trigger]

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[Beowulf]

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[Seoulstriker]

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