Post-WW2 Nazi Panzers

[Hellfish]

Hi guys

Does anyone have any pics of WW2-era German tanks that served in the post-war era? I heard the French used Panthers into the 1950s, that Syria had some PzIVGs, etc.

Does anyone have any pics?

[Freibier]

Panzer IV in syrian service, captured by israeli troops:
http://img123.exs.cx/img123/844/syrpz4h2gk.jpg

[Hellfish]

Awesome. Exactly what I was looking for - thanks! Any more, anyone? :)

[fantassin]

http://www.chars-francais.net/images/archives/tiger/colmar_1.jpg

Tiger I used by the French army in the final months of WW2


http://www.chars-francais.net/images/archives/panther/panther_010_503rcc.jpg

http://www.chars-francais.net/images/archives/panther/panther_013.jpg

Panther used by the French army's 503°RCC until 1947

[Jippo]

Post WW2 Nazi panzers? :)

Like Neo-Con OIF Abrams'? ;)


German WW2 tanks in service in Finland post WW2:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/Jippo01/pzIV.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/Jippo01/stug3.jpg


-jippo

[Ichhabe]

For the Love of God; When will you Americans stop calling everything related to Germany WW2 for Nazi??? It is driving me NUTS!!!

It is called GERMAN PANZERS, please!

[ronin2172]

For the Love of God; When will you Americans stop calling everything related to Germany WW2 for Nazi??? It is driving me NUTS!!!

It is called GERMAN PANZERS, please!
lol...but considering panzer means tank to simply say post ww 2 german panzers would mean more pics of Leos 1 & 2, and that isn't what he wanted...

[Hellfish]

For the Love of God; When will you Americans stop calling everything related to Germany WW2 for Nazi??? It is driving me NUTS!!!

It is called GERMAN PANZERS, please!
lol...but considering panzer means tank to simply say post ww 2 german panzers would mean more pics of Leos 1 & 2, and that isn't what he wanted...

Exactly. I don't want pics of Leopards or even M-48s - just tanks that saw service with the Wehrmacht during WW2 that surivived to serve beyond that.

I'm well aware of the Nazi-German thing - but I thought calling them Nazi tanks would be more specific. Obviously everyone understood that but you. :roll:

[caleb]

lol....I think the germans on this board are used to the term "nazi" when it comes to anything that left our country before, during and after WW2.

If you would ask your average guy on the street if he knows anything that Germany "accomplished" in the past 200 years the answers will be something like this:


1. they invented nazism (which is actually false)

2. we started WW2

3. Holocaust

4. PAAAANZZZEEERRS


:|

[Weasel]

Germany was always one of the leaders of military technology. Because of their good engineers.

[XTC]

JAGDPANZER HETZER G13

After WW2, the Swiss purchased 158 of these small tank destroyers, in service until 1972 :lol:

http://www.panzerbaer.de/types/pix/ch_jgdpz_hetzer_g13-008.jpg
http://www.panzerbaer.de/types/pix/ch_jgdpz_hetzer_g13-007.jpg

[caleb]

Germany was always one of the leaders of military technology. Because of their good engineers.

Sorry fellow countryman but I have to correct you, the sentence above must read:

"Germany is the leader of military technology. Because of our good engineers." ;)

[Weasel]

Germany was always one of the leaders of military technology. Because of their good engineers.

Sorry fellow countryman but I have to correct you, the sentence above must read:

"Germany is the leader of military technology. Because of our good engineers." ;)

Pssssssssssssssssstttttttttttt. Feind hört mit. ;)

[He219]

Germany was always one of the leaders of military technology. Because of their good engineers.
.. und Ich hatte gedacht dass es die Blutlust der Barbaren war!
;)

[Weasel]

Germany was always one of the leaders of military technology. Because of their good engineers.
.. und Ich hatte gedacht dass es die Blutlust der Barbaren war!
;)

Conan ist Österreicher, nicht Deutscher. p-)

[caleb]

Germany was always one of the leaders of military technology. Because of their good engineers.
.. und Ich hatte gedacht dass es die Blutlust der Barbaren war!
;)

Great He, hope you're feeling fine now you goddamn a$$hat. I can't belive you told them our secret!!!!!


:bash:

[He219]

Germany was always one of the leaders of military technology. Because of their good engineers.
.. und Ich hatte gedacht dass es die Blutlust der Barbaren war!
;)

Conan ist Österreicher, nicht Deutscher. p-)

Das war aber lustig!
:lol:


O.K. - back on track.

I remember seing this movie about some German Panzer commander leading the Syrian panzers post WWII. He was captured in this movie by Mossad or something like that, but I don't remember if it is historically accurate ..

[Weasel]

Germany was always one of the leaders of military technology. Because of their good engineers.
.. und Ich hatte gedacht dass es die Blutlust der Barbaren war!
;)

Conan ist Österreicher, nicht Deutscher. p-)

Das war aber lustig!
:lol:

Germans are well known for their big sense of humor.

[He219]

^ Riiiiiiiight.



Looking through archives now. Btw, what is this tank?

Smoke of battle rises behind Israeli tanks in action on the Israeli-Syrian front where fierce fighting took place June 10, 1967, despite a cease-fire agreement. U.N. observers reported the front was quiet June 11, and that there had been no violations of the agreement since the previous night. Photo supplied by Israeli military

[Hellfish]

AMX-13-90 or -105.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX-13

http://www.kotsch88.de/amx-13.htm

[fantassin]

http://www.chars-francais.net/images/archives/amx13_75/amx13_75_18.jpg

French army AMX 13-75mm in Port Saïd, 1956

The previous pic is also an AMX13-75; the 90 has a round muzzle brake and the 105 also.

[Hellfish]

I stand corrected, mon amie. The gun looked too big to be 75mm, I thought.

Ah well... thanks for your Pather pics, BTW. Did the French give them any kind of official French designation, or did they just call them Panthers?

[He219]

Panzer IV in syrian service, captured by israeli troops:
http://img123.exs.cx/img123/844/syrpz4h2gk.jpg
Nice find, Freibier!


artist's representation

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~janterpol/SYRIA.JPG
Syrian PzKpfw IV, Ausf J, Golan Heights, 1966

http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/syria/Syr-PzKpfw4H-1956.jpg
http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/syria/Syr-PzKpfw4H-1967.jpg
http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/syria/Syr-Stug3G-1956.jpg

[fantassin]

Unlike the Brits or the Canadians, the French army does not normally change the name of the foreign equipment it uses.

A Sherman was a Sherman and a Panther a Panther.

Except for the fifty cal; it's called a "douze-sept" (12-7mm)....


Now, if you want a big gun (120mm)....

http://www.chars-francais.net/images/archives/amx50-foch/amx50-foch_04.jpg

The AMX Foch (never entered production)

[un_swe]

http://medlem.spray.se/stridsvagn/hpbimg/Svensk%20tiger.jpg
A Kingtiger in Sweden after the war. It was brought to Sweden From France and ended on a Swedish Firing range used as a target for antitank weapons.

un_swe

[He219]

http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/Turkey/Turkey-PzKpfwIV.jpg
Turkish PzKpfw IV Ausf G: Fifteen Ausf G units were delivered to Turkey starting in 1943. Seven were delivered in March and eight more delivered in May. This was done to help encourage Turkey to attack the USSR or to cause the USSR to divert manpower to defend the frontier between the two nations
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/pz3_norway.jpg
Norwegian PzKpfw III tanks at Trandum, 1949. After the war ended, some 32 PzKpfw III were used by Norway along with Stug III Ausf Gs. The most successful conversion based Panzerkampfwagen III's chassis was Sturmgeschutz III - assault gun/tank destroyer series, which remained in service with Finnish Army as late as 1967.
http://www.thetankmaster.com/images/AFV/ISRAEL/51.jpg
http://www.thetankmaster.com/images/AFV/ISRAEL/52.jpg
After the war ended, approximately 28 Stug III Ausf Gs found their way to Syria from France, Spain and Romania and served there until 1967. Few were captured by Israelis at the Golan Heights and atleast one is on display at the Museum of Armored Forces at Latrun.

[Hellfish]

Awesome pics! Outstanding research, He! woot

[The_MadMan]

Good info and pictures!

By the way, I always thought it was better to call german stuff from WWII Nazi stuff because it seperates it a from current Germany. Ofcourse it's the same but it sounds different.

[ntech]

Germany was always one of the leaders of military technology. Because of their good engineers.

Sorry fellow countryman but I have to correct you, the sentence above must read:

"Germany is the leader of military technology. Because of our good engineers." ;)

Yeah.

That's example most famous work of East German engineers :D

http://www.trabant.art.pl/zdjecia/trabi/rambo8-t1.jpg

[Ratman]

Germany was always one of the leaders of military technology. Because of their good engineers.

Sorry fellow countryman but I have to correct you, the sentence above must read:

"Germany is the leader of military technology. Because of our good engineers." ;)

Germany is also the leader in Bad Food (followed by Great Britan and the Phillipines) and wearing socks with sandals. ;)

[Warlord]

Germany was always one of the leaders of military technology. Because of their good engineers.

Sorry fellow countryman but I have to correct you, the sentence above must read:

"Germany is the leader of military technology. Because of our good engineers." ;)

Germany is also the leader in Bad Food (followed by Great Britan and the Phillipines) and wearing socks with sandals. ;)

[wulfstan]

lol....I think the germans on this board are used to the term "nazi" when it comes to anything that left our country before, during and after WW2.

If you would ask your average guy on the street if he knows anything that Germany "accomplished" in the past 200 years the answers will be something like this:


1. they invented nazism (which is actually false)

2. we started WW2

3. Holocaust

4. PAAAANZZZEEERRS


:|

5. Bratwurst.

[Stolly]

Germany was always one of the leaders of military technology. Because of their good engineers.

Sorry fellow countryman but I have to correct you, the sentence above must read:

"Germany is the leader of military technology. Because of our good engineers." ;)

Germany is also the leader in Bad Food (followed by Great Britan and the Phillipines) and wearing socks with sandals. ;)

Nevah !!!!11!!

Fish n Chips and the almighty Tikka Masala are the finest creations known to man.

[striker]

Conan ist Österreicher, nicht Deutscher. p-)

Wasn't the original film title Conan, the Bavarian?
;-)

[Freibier]

Conan ist Österreicher, nicht Deutscher. p-)

Wasn't the original film title Conan, the Bavarian?
;-)
rofl

[Hullebullen]

http://img194.exs.cx/img194/1606/pbv3012xw.jpg
Swedish PBV301. Strv M41 (Pz38(t)) modified into an APC.

[VanLeeuwen]

lol....I think the germans on this board are used to the term "nazi" when it comes to anything that left our country before, during and after WW2.

If you would ask your average guy on the street if he knows anything that Germany "accomplished" in the past 200 years the answers will be something like this:


1. they invented nazism (which is actually false)

2. we started WW2

3. Holocaust

4. PAAAANZZZEEERRS


:|

5. Bratwurst.

6. Fahrräder klauen :slap:

[ex1cdo]

Unlike the Brits or the Canadians, the French army does not normally change the name of the foreign equipment it uses.

A Sherman was a Sherman and a Panther a Panther.




Funny idea, that.

We always called Shermans Shermans, except when it mounted the British 17 pound anti-tank gun. Then we called it a Sherman Firefly. But it was still a Sherman.

I'm curious. What do you think we called Shermans?

[Hellfish]

I think he might have been referring to other, earlier Lend-Lease tanks like the M-3 light tank (which the Brits called "Honey") and the M-3 Lee medium tank (which I can't remember what the Brits called, though I think it was different too). Or today, where the Canadians put a "C" in front of everything - the C1 tank, CC-140 Aurora (?), etc.

Or maybe how the Brits called the Sherman M4A3 the Sherman V. Or the Germans called the captured T-34s the Pz34(r) or something similar.

[Marmot1]

http://medlem.spray.se/stridsvagn/hpbimg/Svensk%20tiger.jpg
A Kingtiger in Sweden after the war. It was brought to Sweden From France and ended on a Swedish Firing range used as a target for antitank weapons.

un_swe


NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damns swedes :fork: :fork: :-*$ :slap: :fork: :-*$ :slap: :fork: :slap: :fork: :-*$ how dare you destrou such a nice tank!!!! p-)

[Uncle Chô]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Damns swedes :-*$ how dare you destroy such a nice tank!!!! p-)
In 1945/46 my father used to fire US anti tank "bazooka" against former Russian T-34s ...during training in a French military compound! ;)

[Wodan]

Germany was always one of the leaders of military technology. Because of their good engineers.

Sorry fellow countryman but I have to correct you, the sentence above must read:

"Germany is the leader of military technology. Because of our good engineers." ;)

Germany is also the leader in Bad Food (followed by Great Britan and the Phillipines) and wearing socks with sandals. ;)

LOL

german food is worse than british?

I love german food most of all!

try that for informations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisine_of_Germany

[wiking]

For the Love of God; When will you Americans stop calling everything related to Germany WW2 for Nazi??? It is driving me NUTS!!!

It is called GERMAN PANZERS, please!

Aye, i second that.

Get it in to your thick sculls.

[konkurs]

Sd.Kfz.250 le. SPW was in Yugoslav army use until 50-s.

http://www.vj.yu/vojni%20muzej/Eksterijer/t6.htm

It is in museum now.

[He219]

German Panzers are like their cusine; All Meat & Potatoes ..
p-)

Keep your Bangers and Mash ....

.... I'll stick with a Gebratener Schweinshaxe & Blaukraut with a Mass of Franziskaner Kristalklar!
:P

[Weasel]

[quote=Weasel]Germany was always one of the leaders of military technology. Because of their good engineers.

Sorry fellow countryman but I have to correct you, the sentence above must read:

"Germany is the leader of military technology. Because of our good engineers." ;)

Germany is also the leader in Bad Food (followed by Great Britan and the Phillipines) and wearing socks with sandals. ;)

Sandals, yes. Bad food, NO!



Conan ist Österreicher, nicht Deutscher. p-)

Wasn't the original film title Conan, the Bavarian?
;-)

There´s some truth in it. Germany nearly got a bavarian chancellor....OMG.

:cantbeli:

[He219]

There´s some truth in it. Germany nearly got a bavarian chancellor....OMG.

:cantbeli:
Instead they got the lawyers of the Red Army Faction!
:P

[Weasel]

There´s some truth in it. Germany nearly got a bavarian chancellor....OMG.

:cantbeli:
Instead they got the lawyers of the Red Army Faction!
:P

No problem with it. Everybody (also in America) has the right to be defended by a lawyer. ;)

The nowadays-Schily is much more worse. :fork:

[Wodan]

There´s some truth in it. Germany nearly got a bavarian chancellor....OMG.

:cantbeli:
Instead they got the lawyers of the Red Army Faction!
:P

No problem with it. Everybody (also in America) has the right to be defended by a lawyer. ;)

The nowadays-Schily is much more worse. :fork:

he had the idea of sending illegal immigrants to camps in lybia, together with the illegals that came to spain and italy, also he managed that we get fingerprints in every personal-ID, and he managed that its possible, to banish foreigners by suspiction of a crime since first january!

:D

He is the only Social Democrat I can really respect (besides of Walther Kolbow)

[Hellfish]

For the Love of God; When will you Americans stop calling everything related to Germany WW2 for Nazi??? It is driving me NUTS!!!

It is called GERMAN PANZERS, please!

Aye, i second that.

Get it in to your thick sculls.

READ THE WHOLE DAMN THREAD BEFORE YOU SAY SOMETHING STUPID

I wanted tanks that served in or were produced under the Nazi-era German government. Not any German tank. The best way to specify that was to call them NAZI, not German, tanks. It makes it very obvious what I'm looking for. :bash: :bash: :bash:

For the Love of God; When will you Americans stop calling everything related to Germany WW2 for Nazi??? It is driving me NUTS!!!

It is called GERMAN PANZERS, please!
lol...but considering panzer means tank to simply say post ww 2 german panzers would mean more pics of Leos 1 & 2, and that isn't what he wanted...

Exactly. I don't want pics of Leopards or even M-48s - just tanks that saw service with the Wehrmacht during WW2 that surivived to serve beyond that.

I'm well aware of the Nazi-German thing - but I thought calling them Nazi tanks would be more specific. Obviously everyone understood that but you. :roll:

[Wodan]

For the Love of God; When will you Americans stop calling everything related to Germany WW2 for Nazi??? It is driving me NUTS!!!

It is called GERMAN PANZERS, please!

Aye, i second that.

Get it in to your thick sculls.

READ THE WHOLE DAMN THREAD BEFORE YOU SAY SOMETHING STUPID

I wanted tanks that served in or were produced under the Nazi-era German government. Not any German tank. The best way to specify that was to call them NAZI, not German, tanks. It makes it very obvious what I'm looking for. :bash: :bash: :bash:

For the Love of God; When will you Americans stop calling everything related to Germany WW2 for Nazi??? It is driving me NUTS!!!

It is called GERMAN PANZERS, please!
lol...but considering panzer means tank to simply say post ww 2 german panzers would mean more pics of Leos 1 & 2, and that isn't what he wanted...

Exactly. I don't want pics of Leopards or even M-48s - just tanks that saw service with the Wehrmacht during WW2 that surivived to serve beyond that.

I'm well aware of the Nazi-German thing - but I thought calling them Nazi tanks would be more specific. Obviously everyone understood that but you. :roll:


uneducated dudes with arrogance, dont really like those...


why you dont just say: "second hand used german-WWII-tanks"

[He219]

Certified Pre-Own3d Nazi Panzers!
p-)

[wiking]

It's the US school system, and the mentality of the US citizens, that's created a way of thinking that says Nazi=German and German= nazi during WW2.

And that is VERY wrong. If I ever was to hear a school teacher teaching something like that in a history class, not separating nazi's and the German people in general, i'd honestly stand up and say
"That is absolute bollocks!"

[Sorbas2000]

Germany was always one of the leaders of military technology. Because of their good engineers.

Sorry fellow countryman but I have to correct you, the sentence above must read:

"Germany is the leader of military technology. Because of our good engineers." ;)

Germany is also the leader in Bad Food (followed by Great Britan and the Phillipines) and wearing socks with sandals. ;)

I thought, americans are the leader in bad food (junk food, unhealthy) and ugly clothes (Nike sneakers, T-Shirts in XXL, baggy-jeans in XXL, bermudas, etc.).

Most peaple I know in Germany eat Italian, French, Turkish, etc. as well as traditional german cuisine (no, not sauerkraut, knödel and bratwurst)...we wear cool Diesel, Puma or adidas "club"-sneakers and fashioned clubwear instead of uncool "Homy" style. :lol:

[Hellfish]

:cantbeli:

I still don't care if they were Nazi OR German (or French, Czech, Russian...). If you've got no pics to post or a desire to say anything other than condescending, why do you bother?

Any why do you seem to be the only person with a problem understanding that?

[Wodan]

the prob is,
that if you use curses like "Nazi" (a curse for national socialists, by their enemies even in the time they were on power) to excessive, they will lose of their strength, and anytime it will get used that often, to totally normal things, that if theres a real "Nazi", you will dont even notice it, or more exactly, you will call him Nazi, but not really see, that he in fact IS one!

(if he is at the moment govener of california, is of austrian decendant, and will get your president, that could cause trouble)

[Weasel]

The nowadays-Schily is much more worse. :fork:

he had the idea of sending illegal immigrants to camps in lybia, together with the illegals that came to spain and italy, also he managed that we get fingerprints in every personal-ID, and he managed that its possible, to banish foreigners by suspiction of a crime since first january!

:D

He is the only Social Democrat I can really respect (besides of Walther Kolbow)

I thought you are enumerating all the bad things Schily wants to introduce. :P
Schily should change to CDU. I hate him.

[Wodan]

The nowadays-Schily is much more worse. :fork:

he had the idea of sending illegal immigrants to camps in lybia, together with the illegals that came to spain and italy, also he managed that we get fingerprints in every personal-ID, and he managed that its possible, to banish foreigners by suspiction of a crime since first january!

:D

He is the only Social Democrat I can really respect (besides of Walther Kolbow)

I thought you are enumerating all the bad things Schily wants to introduce. :P
Schily should change to CDU. I hate him.

just a question of the point of view ;)

but we should stop this offtopic now

[Steel21]

Looking at post WWII us tank designs, would w ehave been better off just copying the panzer and tiger series?

The tiger needed only a bigger engine and a redesign of the roadwheels. Auguably tank technology was not revolutionary until Chobham and FLIR came along.

So i reason we could have benefited from the Germans by adopting some aspects of the panzers after WWII. Surely they were more formidable than the walkers anbd Chafee tanks

[wiking]

:cantbeli:

I still don't care if they were Nazi OR German (or French, Czech, Russian...). If you've got no pics to post or a desire to say anything other than condescending, why do you bother?

Any why do you seem to be the only person with a problem understanding that?

That's not how it's meant, it's just a comment on a problem that, as someone said above, can turn out to be serious.

Just wan't people to have facts, and avoit pissing people off.
This here is mild, alot of Germans would have been very insulted and pissed at something like this. Not the biggest problem on a forum, but fooking up like that in a conversation could be bad.

I'm sorry if this is hijacking the thread. i'll stop now.

[Weasel]

http://www.panzer-modell.de/specials/leserbilder/jagdtiger_jw/02g.jpg

http://www.panzer-modell.de/specials/leserbilder/jagdpanther/01g.jpg

:P

[Jippo]

:cantbeli:

I still don't care if they were Nazi OR German (or French, Czech, Russian...). If you've got no pics to post or a desire to say anything other than condescending, why do you bother?

Any why do you seem to be the only person with a problem understanding that?

No he is not. Calling somebody or something nazi because it is from a certain time period and country is bad manners. There are more those German veterans from WW2 that take calling them nazi as a serious insult than there are those that actually were in the Nazi party.

It is insulting and bad form, shows ignorance. So if you are a smart kid, you use the N word only when due.


-jippo

[Weasel]

http://www.secondeguerre.net/Chars/Chars/jagdpanther.jpg
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/panzer7/jagdpanther_01.jpg
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/panzer7/jagdpanther_02.jpg

[Weasel]

http://klub.chip.pl/krzemek/jagdtiger/jagdtiger12d.jpg
http://www.hasegawa-model.co.jp/NARITA2/Jagdtiger01.JPG
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/did.panzer/silhouette%20pz/jagdtiger-01.jpg
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/images/germany/Jagdtiger_01.jpg

[skunker]

Have you tried this gallery of over 1000+ photos of WWII in color?

http://www.ww2incolor.com/gallery/germans

[Hellfish]

I'm looking for German tanks built between 1936-1945 that saw service after WW2 - I've got tons of pics of them in WW2, but a couple tanks and other vehicles survived the war to serve in other armies.

I appreciate the pics, but I've seen nearly all of them already. It's the gems from after the war I'm looking for.

[He219]

Last non-politically affiliated Panzer post for me ..
;)

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/mvc030.jpg
Syrian Panzerkampfwagen IV in USA: It is believed that this Panzerkampfwagen IV Ausf H/J (hybrid) was captured by the Russian Mongols of the Red Army in Czechoslovakia and then it was eventually sold to Syria by Czechoslovakia. In 1967, it was captured by the Israelis at the Golan Heights and eventually put on display in the museum in Latrum along with Sturmgeschutz III Ausf G and other PzKpfw IV Ausf H. It was then traded to the Mattituck American Armoured Museum on Long Island for an other vehicle (Stuart) in the museum's collection.
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz3.htm#panzer4

[Kaplanr]

And that is VERY wrong. If I ever was to hear a school teacher teaching something like that in a history class, not separating nazi's and the German people in general, i'd honestly stand up and say
"That is absolute bollocks!"

Sorry Wiking, but you're off the mark on that one. We're not talking about an exclusive group of skinheads or fraternity boys; just look at the photos from Nuremburg http://dca.boozle.net/nuremburg.jpg
and other Nazi rallies. It is an inescapable part of modern German history, just like American slavery and French or Spanish colonialism.

It also means we don't brand every and all things German as Nazi, but they didn't come from the island or planet Nazi, and you can't seperate the Nazi period from the people.

As to the original post, I know there were some former German WWII armored pieces in Yugoslavia, just not sure when. We (Israel) had 4-5 Panzer IVs that were taken on the Golan as static artillery postions, or were abandoned during the War of Independence in unsuccessful Syrian attacks on Degania and Dan.

[wiking]

There is a difference, more or less.
Listening to Hitler speeches, and giving the salute and shouting "sieg Heil" doesn't make them die hard nazi's.

I've heard Hitler speak, and even though i don't understand German, the intensity and way he speaks makes you understand why he managed to take over germany and gather followers. I don't approve of what he did, but i can understand why many Germans followed him willingly, or more like fanaticly. Atleast in the pre-war years.

You can't condemn the German people because a huge crowd litened to his speeches.

[Hellfish]

You may be able to, however, when a good deal of those people ACTED upon those speeches.

[Wodan]

http://dca.boozle.net/nuremburg.jpg

this number means to give a prove?



On a really big nazi march nowadays, you would be able to mobilize almost the same number, if you did try and organize it, they are in maximum ~5000 even now we have 2 to 3 million that vote for the nazi partys in germany... (maybe on next election a bit more as usual cuz of their good advertising and the bad economical climate)


btw. nazi party, never got the majority in elections,
hitler was elected to chancellor by our President, not by the people!

[Prometheus]

What about a compromise?

Let's say Wehrmacht Panzer. That's a clear and correct designation. No missunderstandings, nobody feels pissed and we can go on with the topic.

[Hullebullen]

What about a compromise?

Let's say Wehrmacht Panzer. That's a clear and correct designation. No missunderstandings, nobody feels pissed and we can go on with the topic.

Won't work, since Waffen-SS panzers constituted ca 1/3 of german ww2 armor strength... ;)

[Prometheus]

Wehrmacht and Waffen SS Panzers? :lol:

[Freibier]

Damn nitpickers

[[AFSOC]]

For the Love of God; When will you Americans stop calling everything related to Germany WW2 for Nazi??? It is driving me NUTS!!!

It is called GERMAN PANZERS, please!

lets all be friends.....

GERMAN NAZI ERA PANZERS is what they wanted...

[Bryson C]

http://img210.echo.cx/img210/857/tigerisnow6ik.th.jpg (http://img210.echo.cx/my.php?image=tigerisnow6ik.jpg)

[Musashi]

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/did.panzer/silhouette%20pz/jagdtiger-01.jpg

It's a typical macho syndrome. Every man dreams to have something extremely powerfull between the legs.

[weissent]

Germany was always one of the leaders of military technology. Because of their good engineers.

Sorry fellow countryman but I have to correct you, the sentence above must read:

"Germany is the leader of military technology. Because of our good engineers." ;)

Germany is also the leader in Bad Food (followed by Great Britan and the Phillipines) and wearing socks with sandals. ;)

Aww, come on, mostly it's some middle-aged men of low education who hurt our reputation that badly.
Most of us are quite suave, lol.
Socks with sandals, and a shirt of the national football team, that's a classic for German rednecks.

Reg. food: Here comes the Wurst (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=46004)

[Rantanplan]

nice nazi panzers

[OldRecon]

For the Love of God; When will you Americans stop calling everything related to Germany WW2 for Nazi??? It is driving me NUTS!!!

It is called GERMAN PANZERS, please!

Speaking of Nazi-panzers, it seems George Prada have given his web-site http://www.achtungpanzer.com a bit of an overhaul.
At least it appears he's added some new interesting movie clips of nazi-panzers to his web-site at http://pedg.org/panzer/public/website/avis.htm
Beware though! Had some porn-spam pop ups that showed up when I tried to leave that URL :roll:.
(Though if it covers the costs for him keeping panzer his site up, I don't mind that much about it personaly.)

[weissent]

nice nazi panzers

LOL,


























You suck.
Big time.

[Luno]

Sweden did have a one Königstiger in 1949 :D we did use it to test Swedish Pvkv m/43 tank destroyer. It is said that after the tests were finalized, the remains of the King Tiger could have been loaded in the back seat of an old VW Bug :lol:

Swedish Königstiger
http://img77.echo.cx/img77/910/swektiger6lt.jpg
http://img77.echo.cx/img77/4034/swektiger22eg.jpg

[PeterG]

Sweden did have a one Königstiger in 1949 :D we did use it to test Swedish Pvkv m/43 tank destroyer. It is said that after the tests were finalized, the remains of the King Tiger could have been loaded in the back seat of an old VW Bug :lol:
eg.jpg[/img]

Must have fired quite a few 75mm rounds at it then - i even find it hard to believe that they could penetrate the frontal armor of the kingtiger at all with it.Anyway,christ what a waste...( with hindsight )This tank would have been the pride and joy of any tank museum today.

[Luno]

Sweden did have a one Königstiger in 1949 :D we did use it to test Swedish Pvkv m/43 tank destroyer. It is said that after the tests were finalized, the remains of the King Tiger could have been loaded in the back seat of an old VW Bug :lol:
eg.jpg[/img]

Must have fired quite a few 75mm rounds at it then - i even find it hard to believe that they could penetrate the frontal armor of the kingtiger at all with it.Anyway,christ what a waste...( with hindsight )This tank would have been the pride and joy of any tank museum today.

We did shoot hundred off shots on it whit al kind off weapons .The tank where really shot up far beyond repair. The hull was scrapped, while the turret was sent to a exercise field, where it was shot up during various training missions. The 88mm was kept in Bofors in Karlskoga, where it remained until late 1980's. so today there is nothing left off the tank .

But if you ask me I don’t think we did anything wrong we wanted to test our weapons against the best tank from WW II :D today it may sounds stupid but it where a different time in 1948 ;)

[He219]

This tank would have been the pride and joy of any tank museum today.
Especiall one with the early Porsche turret ...
;)

[OldRecon]

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/did.panzer/silhouette%20pz/jagdtiger-01.jpg

It's a typical macho syndrome. Every man dreams to have something extremely powerfull between the legs.
What kind of vehicle in that pic?
A Sturmtiger or Maus?

[ZaakM433]

Germany was always one of the leaders of military technology. Because of their good engineers.

Sorry fellow countryman but I have to correct you, the sentence above must read:

"Germany is the leader of military technology. Because of our good engineers." ;)


"Germany was the leader of military technology. Because of our good engineers." ;)

[ZaakM433]

Sweden did have a one Königstiger in 1949 :D we did use it to test Swedish Pvkv m/43 tank destroyer. It is said that after the tests were finalized, the remains of the King Tiger could have been loaded in the back seat of an old VW Bug :lol:
eg.jpg[/img]

Must have fired quite a few 75mm rounds at it then - i even find it hard to believe that they could penetrate the frontal armor of the kingtiger at all with it.Anyway,christ what a waste...( with hindsight )This tank would have been the pride and joy of any tank museum today.

im crying

There are so few of these beautiful majestic beasts around today - if any...

to hear of their wanton destruction is like burning your own crops for a neat show before a long famine

[Hellfish]

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/did.panzer/silhouette%20pz/jagdtiger-01.jpg

It's a typical macho syndrome. Every man dreams to have something extremely powerfull between the legs.
What kind of vehicle in that pic?
A Sturmtiger or Maus?

I want to say a Maus, as I don't recognize the turret or gun barrel, but those were so exceedingly rare I can't honestly believe that it is one. The URL says that it's a Jagdtiger, but it almost looks like there's a turret on this, and the Jadgtiger didn't have one. Hm. :|

[Heinzi]

Its a Jagdtiger

Compare:
http://www.panzer.shamino.net/bilder/jtiger_4.jpg

[Hellfish]

Ah yeah. Good call. :)

[AussieTurretHead]

Now I know this is real late considering when you fellows were talking about this but I just stumbled upon the following site http://www.chars-francais.net/new/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
It's all in French with no foreign language translations but it has the following pages which I hope prove interesting for you

http://www.chars-francais.net/new/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=76&Itemid=36 1944 Char Panther

http://www.chars-francais.net/new/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=52&Itemid=36 1942 Char Tiger IE