(UK)One in three young criminals is armed

[Geezah]

Old but well worth the read,

Government research shows use of guns is on the rise and gangster films are blamed for making it seem 'cool'

One in three criminals under the age of 25 owns or has access to a firearm, the Government's researchers have discovered.
A continuing parliamentary inquiry into the growing number of black market weapons has concluded that there are more than three million illegally held firearms in circulation - double the number believed to have been held 10 years ago - and that criminals are more willing than ever to use them.

The events of the past week have provided sobering evidence of how deeply ingrained Britain's new gun culture has become.

Officers patrolling the Notting Hill carnival last month said they had been prevented from searching a suspect, later found to be carrying a loaded 9mm pistol, for fear of inciting violence. Last Monday, doormen trying to break up a fight at the Epping Forest Country Club in Essex watched in horror as several revellers produced guns and began shooting at them. Two doormen were hit and seriously injured. A few hours later, a man was shot in the head during a 'road rage' row in south London.

Last Tuesday, three people were left fighting for their lives after a group of young Rolex robbers ambushed them in the driveway of their luxury home in Hoddesdon, Hertfordshire. Millionaire Joe Martorana had just stepped out of his BMW when two men snatched the Rolex from his wrist.

When his wife, Josephine, tried to raise the alarm, she was shot once in the back by a handgun. As she lay bleeding, the gunmen snatched her Rolex. The couple's son, 18-year-old Steven, and his girlfriend, Isabella, had heard the shot from inside the house. They rushed through the front door to confront the robbers who gunned them down. Steven was hit by a bullet in his chest, and Isabella was shot in the stomach. A few hours later, a 28-year-old man was seriously injured after being shot at a London nightclub.

Last Wednesday, Essex builder Ronald Fuller was shot dead by a moped-riding gunman who waited near his home. Fuller, who has a child, was shot twice in the head and twice in the body at point-blank range. Fuller had been acquitted of stabbing a man to death at the Epping Forest Country Club. Police have not ruled out a link between his murder and the violence at the club.

Between 1997 and 1999 there were 429 murders in the capital, the highest two-year figure for more than 10 years. At least 100 of them were drug-related; nearly two-thirds of those involved firearms. Dozens of other firearms incidents resulted in people being seriously injured. Last month eight people were wounded when a gunman began shooting indiscriminately outside Chicago's nightclub in Peckham High Street.

The picture is the same across the country. Last month a small-time cannabis dealer, Paul Rogers, was shot dead in front of his young son after two gunmen burst into his Liverpool home.In Birmingham and Manchester, police attend more than 100 firearms incidents every month. In Wales, armed police have been called into action every day this year.

Detectives say modern weapons are increasingly being held by young drug dealers protecting themselves and their territory. They fear many youngsters are being strongly influenced by the rash of British crime movies such as Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels and its newly released follow-up, Snatch, which have made gangsters chic.

Small shopkeepers, who in the past have found themselves threatened with iron bars, baseball bats or knives, are increasingly finding themselves facing handguns or even automatic weapons. A study by Independent Retail News shows that a third of all attacks now involve firearms.

Lee Jasper, who advises the London Mayor, Ken Livingstone, on matters of race and policing, believes that, whereas guns were once reserved for the criminal élite, they are increasingly falling into the hands of younger, less experienced criminals.

'We have a culture developed where people think it is very cool to carry a gun, and are prepared to use it at the drop of a hat. The crime has moved on from just protecting your market and your market share to doling out punishment and intimidation. And the gun is the first resort - the weapon of choice - for settling arguments.'

Government researchers are hoping to track the source of black market weapons to devise more effective ways of combating the trade.

Controls such as the banning of handguns after the Dunblane tragedy have had no effect on the number of illegally held guns that are smuggled into the country, supplied by corrupt dealers or reactivated from supposedly decommissioned stock.

Meanwhile, makers of bullet-proof vests are reporting record profits. Vest sales have quadrupled, with 60,000 snapped up in the past two years at about £400 a time.



Link (http://www.guardian.co.uk/gun/Story/0,2763,363761,00.html)

[Dennis G]

Somebody must have forgot to tell them that the UK does not allow firearms. :roll:

Question: if handguns are illegal, having been banned from the UK... where the hell have 3 million illegal handguns come from? This article claims that the number of illegal handguns doubled within the last 10 years... So... if true... were 1.5million handguns re-commissioned from de-commissioned stocks? were 1.5million newly built? imported? smuggled? Personally, I think the UK should re-instituted private ownership of sidearms, and permit law-abiding subjects to carry concealed... but then again, that's just a looney colonist talking... :roll:

[Geezah]

Bump: like to get limey's response to this story!

[BlackRain]

New Report: 0 in 3 honest citizens are armed.

News flash. Criminal don't obey laws. Therefore, the bad guys will continue to be armed no matter how draconian you make gun laws.

The people that ultimately suffer are the innocent who have no right of defense.

P.S. If the argument that the police are there to protect them is invalid, as crime rates are soaring. The police can't be ever where.

[Stolly]

Its OK !!!

I'll see them off with my trusty maglite !

That'll deter them from robbing my home and raping my wife !

[EffJi]

And once again, people decide to blame it on the movies.
Could it possibly be that the criminals know that the normal street-walking cop doesn't carry a gun? Could the criminal actually be smart enough to understand that he has a greater chance of getting away if he arms himself?

[BarkingSquirrel]

Naw, couldn't be. It's all the U.S.'s fault.


And Israels.

[Jobu]

Sure, blame Guy Ritchie.

[Geezah]

No, blame So Solid Crew!

[BarkingSquirrel]

w00t

[Fee Fi Fo Fum]

I would like to see the police armed, like spanish police.... just a nice simple firearm. Really, gun crime in the UK is getting worse!

[limey]

Bump: like to get limey's response to this story!

I'm honoured you thought about me !!! :lol:

Just my stock response - an example is no argument over facts.

[limey]

Somebody must have forgot to tell them that the UK does not allow firearms. :roll:

Question: if handguns are illegal, having been banned from the UK... where the hell have 3 million illegal handguns come from? This article claims that the number of illegal handguns doubled within the last 10 years... So... if true... were 1.5million handguns re-commissioned from de-commissioned stocks? were 1.5million newly built? imported? smuggled? Personally, I think the UK should re-instituted private ownership of sidearms, and permit law-abiding subjects to carry concealed... but then again, that's just a looney colonist talking... :roll:

I've heard that many guns are being smuggled in from Eastern Europe (we have many illegal immigrants from there too).

Immigration contol is becoming too lapse due to all this EU stuff.

[Geezah]

Somebody must have forgot to tell them that the UK does not allow firearms. :roll:

Question: if handguns are illegal, having been banned from the UK... where the hell have 3 million illegal handguns come from? This article claims that the number of illegal handguns doubled within the last 10 years... So... if true... were 1.5million handguns re-commissioned from de-commissioned stocks? were 1.5million newly built? imported? smuggled? Personally, I think the UK should re-instituted private ownership of sidearms, and permit law-abiding subjects to carry concealed... but then again, that's just a looney colonist talking... :roll:

I've heard that many guns are being smuggled in from Eastern Europe (we have many illegal immigrants from there too).

Immigration contol is becoming too lapse due to all this EU stuff.

It would be nice if you could be consistent in your posts, if you understand that firearms are illegal in the UK but firearms are still being smuggled in from Eastern Europe, how can you say the following?
We're in a catch 22, if you really wanted to you could make a zip gun out of a old car aerial and a .22LR.


If there are less guns around, criminals will be less able to obtain one. Prices increase, etc...

[Geezah]

Bump: like to get limey's response to this story!

I'm honoured you thought about me !!! :lol:

Just my stock response - an example is no argument over facts.

I highlighted the events that took place, if you read the whole article they reference numbers!

[king_nothing100]

Makes you, wish we had CCW's.

[Geezah]

Makes you, wish we had CCW's.

To be honest I think the UK is a ways off of that yet, but now the Guberment has said it's ok to kill intruders if need be(in so many words) it's a step in the right direction.
The way to counteract the fear of things that go boom, they need to bring firearm related sports in at a primary school level, by doing this the kids once grown up would have a respect for them and see them as the norm.
Cub Scouts or Boys Brigade would be a good place to start, rather than learning how to play a bloody bugle.
I also believe that MAs(I'm not talking feel good MAs either, semi and full contact) should be taught in school, it's amazing how much respect you get from a 6' 15yr old loudmouth when he's getting knocked on his arse by someone that's 5'6" ;)

[limey]

Makes you, wish we had CCW's.

To be honest I think the UK is a ways off of that yet, but now the Guberment has said it's ok to kill intruders if need be(in so many words) it's a step in the right direction.
The way to counteract the fear of things that go boom, they need to bring firearm related sports in at a primary school level, by doing this the kids once grown up would have a respect for them and see them as the norm.
Cub Scouts or Boys Brigade would be a good place to start, rather than learning how to play a bloody bugle.
I also believe that MAs(I'm not talking feel good MAs either, semi and full contact) should be taught in school, it's amazing how much respect you get from a 6' 15yr old loudmouth when he's getting knocked on his arse by someone that's 5'6" ;)

I've no idea what CCW's are, but any kid can learn to fire a rifle if they join the Army Cadets, when they are aged 11 to 19 (with parental permission of course).

[Geezah]

Makes you, wish we had CCW's.

To be honest I think the UK is a ways off of that yet, but now the Guberment has said it's ok to kill intruders if need be(in so many words) it's a step in the right direction.
The way to counteract the fear of things that go boom, they need to bring firearm related sports in at a primary school level, by doing this the kids once grown up would have a respect for them and see them as the norm.
Cub Scouts or Boys Brigade would be a good place to start, rather than learning how to play a bloody bugle.
I also believe that MAs(I'm not talking feel good MAs either, semi and full contact) should be taught in school, it's amazing how much respect you get from a 6' 15yr old loudmouth when he's getting knocked on his arse by someone that's 5'6" ;)

I've no idea what CCW's are, but any kid can learn to fire a rifle if they join the Army Cadets, when they are aged 11 to 19 (with parental permission of course).


You completely missed the point of what I saying :cantbeli:

[Howitz]

I've no idea what CCW's are, but any kid can learn to fire a rifle if they join the Army Cadets, when they are aged 11 to 19 (with parental permission of course).

CCW is a concealed weapon's liscense.
But, the point is that kids shouldn't have to have a connection to the military to be able to learn proper gun saftey and learn to shoot etc, and that guns seem to making their way onto the streets in the UK regardless of the strict gun laws, worse, into the hands of irresponsible kids (not saying there's such a thing as a responsible person carrying around an illegal firearm ) with intentions of causing crimes.

[limey]

I've no idea what CCW's are, but any kid can learn to fire a rifle if they join the Army Cadets, when they are aged 11 to 19 (with parental permission of course).

CCW is a concealed weapon's liscense.
But, the point is that kids shouldn't have to have a connection to the military to be able to learn proper gun saftey and learn to shoot etc, and that guns seem to making their way onto the streets in the UK regardless of the strict gun laws, worse, into the hands of irresponsible kids (not saying there's such a thing as a responsible person carrying around an illegal firearm ) with intentions of causing crimes.

You know little about the UK. Guns aren't as illegal here as the gun rights people would make you believe. We just restrict their use.

Yes, guns are on the increase, but many of them are just air guns.

[Geezah]

I've no idea what CCW's are, but any kid can learn to fire a rifle if they join the Army Cadets, when they are aged 11 to 19 (with parental permission of course).

CCW is a concealed weapon's liscense.
But, the point is that kids shouldn't have to have a connection to the military to be able to learn proper gun saftey and learn to shoot etc, and that guns seem to making their way onto the streets in the UK regardless of the strict gun laws, worse, into the hands of irresponsible kids (not saying there's such a thing as a responsible person carrying around an illegal firearm ) with intentions of causing crimes.

You know little about the UK. Guns aren't as illegal here as the gun rights people would make you believe. We just restrict their use.

Yes, guns are on the increase, but many of them are just air guns.

You are wrong, most of the firearms that are coming into the UK are coming from the Balkans and deactivated ones are being reactivated. (some air guns are being coverted to fire live ammo, but it's not as many as you would have us think)

Just out of curiousity, what part of London are you from and if not London what area of the country?

[limey]

I've no idea what CCW's are, but any kid can learn to fire a rifle if they join the Army Cadets, when they are aged 11 to 19 (with parental permission of course).

CCW is a concealed weapon's liscense.
But, the point is that kids shouldn't have to have a connection to the military to be able to learn proper gun saftey and learn to shoot etc, and that guns seem to making their way onto the streets in the UK regardless of the strict gun laws, worse, into the hands of irresponsible kids (not saying there's such a thing as a responsible person carrying around an illegal firearm ) with intentions of causing crimes.

You know little about the UK. Guns aren't as illegal here as the gun rights people would make you believe. We just restrict their use.

Yes, guns are on the increase, but many of them are just air guns.

You are wrong, most of the firearms that are coming into the UK are coming from the Balkans and deactivated ones are being reactivated. (some air guns are being coverted to fire live ammo, but it's not as many as you would have us think)

Just out of curiousity, what part of London are you from and if not London what area of the country?

No - you are wrong. Here, airguns are considered to be firearms. Any figures you give (such as firearm incidents) include airguns.

I don't know if you are aware - but recently, we now need to register airguns. This should help your argument, next year when there is a sudden increase in firearms incidents.

;)

[Geezah]

I've no idea what CCW's are, but any kid can learn to fire a rifle if they join the Army Cadets, when they are aged 11 to 19 (with parental permission of course).

CCW is a concealed weapon's liscense.
But, the point is that kids shouldn't have to have a connection to the military to be able to learn proper gun saftey and learn to shoot etc, and that guns seem to making their way onto the streets in the UK regardless of the strict gun laws, worse, into the hands of irresponsible kids (not saying there's such a thing as a responsible person carrying around an illegal firearm ) with intentions of causing crimes.

You know little about the UK. Guns aren't as illegal here as the gun rights people would make you believe. We just restrict their use.

Yes, guns are on the increase, but many of them are just air guns.

You are wrong, most of the firearms that are coming into the UK are coming from the Balkans and deactivated ones are being reactivated. (some air guns are being coverted to fire live ammo, but it's not as many as you would have us think)

Just out of curiousity, what part of London are you from and if not London what area of the country?

No - you are wrong. Here, airguns are considered to be firearms. Any figures you give (such as firearm incidents) include airguns.

I don't know if you are aware - but recently, we now need to register airguns. This should help your argument, next year when there is a sudden increase in firearms incidents.

;)

So on top of the firearm crime the UK has now, we will see an increase on top of that because of air guns next year?
Damn....Britian is getting bad!


What part of London are you from and if not London what area of the country?

[limey]

I've no idea what CCW's are, but any kid can learn to fire a rifle if they join the Army Cadets, when they are aged 11 to 19 (with parental permission of course).

CCW is a concealed weapon's liscense.
But, the point is that kids shouldn't have to have a connection to the military to be able to learn proper gun saftey and learn to shoot etc, and that guns seem to making their way onto the streets in the UK regardless of the strict gun laws, worse, into the hands of irresponsible kids (not saying there's such a thing as a responsible person carrying around an illegal firearm ) with intentions of causing crimes.

You know little about the UK. Guns aren't as illegal here as the gun rights people would make you believe. We just restrict their use.

Yes, guns are on the increase, but many of them are just air guns.

You are wrong, most of the firearms that are coming into the UK are coming from the Balkans and deactivated ones are being reactivated. (some air guns are being coverted to fire live ammo, but it's not as many as you would have us think)

Just out of curiousity, what part of London are you from and if not London what area of the country?

No - you are wrong. Here, airguns are considered to be firearms. Any figures you give (such as firearm incidents) include airguns.

I don't know if you are aware - but recently, we now need to register airguns. This should help your argument, next year when there is a sudden increase in firearms incidents.

;)

So on top of the firearm crime the UK has now, we will see an increase on top of that because of air guns next year?
Damn....Britian is getting bad!


What part of London are you from and if not London what area of the country?

No - you will see an increase because of new laws.

[Geezah]

I've no idea what CCW's are, but any kid can learn to fire a rifle if they join the Army Cadets, when they are aged 11 to 19 (with parental permission of course).

CCW is a concealed weapon's liscense.
But, the point is that kids shouldn't have to have a connection to the military to be able to learn proper gun saftey and learn to shoot etc, and that guns seem to making their way onto the streets in the UK regardless of the strict gun laws, worse, into the hands of irresponsible kids (not saying there's such a thing as a responsible person carrying around an illegal firearm ) with intentions of causing crimes.

You know little about the UK. Guns aren't as illegal here as the gun rights people would make you believe. We just restrict their use.

Yes, guns are on the increase, but many of them are just air guns.

You are wrong, most of the firearms that are coming into the UK are coming from the Balkans and deactivated ones are being reactivated. (some air guns are being coverted to fire live ammo, but it's not as many as you would have us think)

Just out of curiousity, what part of London are you from and if not London what area of the country?

No - you are wrong. Here, airguns are considered to be firearms. Any figures you give (such as firearm incidents) include airguns.

I don't know if you are aware - but recently, we now need to register airguns. This should help your argument, next year when there is a sudden increase in firearms incidents.

;)

So on top of the firearm crime the UK has now, we will see an increase on top of that because of air guns next year?
Damn....Britian is getting bad!


What part of London are you from and if not London what area of the country?

No - you will see an increase because of new laws.

What part of London are you from and if not London what area of the country?

[BarkingSquirrel]

Makes you, wish we had CCW's.

To be honest I think the UK is a ways off of that yet, but now the Guberment has said it's ok to kill intruders if need be(in so many words) it's a step in the right direction.
The way to counteract the fear of things that go boom, they need to bring firearm related sports in at a primary school level, by doing this the kids once grown up would have a respect for them and see them as the norm.
Cub Scouts or Boys Brigade would be a good place to start, rather than learning how to play a bloody bugle.
I also believe that MAs(I'm not talking feel good MAs either, semi and full contact) should be taught in school, it's amazing how much respect you get from a 6' 15yr old loudmouth when he's getting knocked on his arse by someone that's 5'6" ;)

I've no idea what CCW's are, but any kid can learn to fire a rifle if they join the Army Cadets, when they are aged 11 to 19 (with parental permission of course).


You completely missed the point of what I saying :cantbeli: I can't believe you're even arguing with him after he admitted to not knowing what a CCW was. Just proves he doesn't have even the slightest clue of what hes talking about.

[Geezah]

Makes you, wish we had CCW's.

To be honest I think the UK is a ways off of that yet, but now the Guberment has said it's ok to kill intruders if need be(in so many words) it's a step in the right direction.
The way to counteract the fear of things that go boom, they need to bring firearm related sports in at a primary school level, by doing this the kids once grown up would have a respect for them and see them as the norm.
Cub Scouts or Boys Brigade would be a good place to start, rather than learning how to play a bloody bugle.
I also believe that MAs(I'm not talking feel good MAs either, semi and full contact) should be taught in school, it's amazing how much respect you get from a 6' 15yr old loudmouth when he's getting knocked on his arse by someone that's 5'6" ;)

I've no idea what CCW's are, but any kid can learn to fire a rifle if they join the Army Cadets, when they are aged 11 to 19 (with parental permission of course).


You completely missed the point of what I saying :cantbeli: I can't believe you're even arguing with him after he admitted to not knowing what a CCW was. Just proves he doesn't have even the slightest clue of what hes talking about.

I guess I'm too stubborn for my own good sometimes p-)

[big_les]

Why should he know what CCW stands for when we have never had such a practice in our country? I doubt 10% of the population would have a clue what it meant.

[Geezah]

Why should he know what CCW stands for when we have never had such a practice in our country? I doubt 10% of the population would have a clue what it meant.

Well, king_nothing100 knew what it is, and he's from the UK.

The thing is, considering how anti-firearm limey is, he should atleast have an understanding of what he feels so strongly about.

[BarkingSquirrel]

Why should he know what CCW stands for when we have never had such a practice in our country? I doubt 10% of the population would have a clue what it meant.Because when attacking natural freedoms of another country, and professing to know what you're talking about, you should indeed actually know what you're talking about.

[limey]

Why should he know what CCW stands for when we have never had such a practice in our country? I doubt 10% of the population would have a clue what it meant.Because when attacking natural freedoms of another country, and professing to know what you're talking about, you should indeed actually know what you're talking about.

Well, I might have listened to you...

but seeing as you don't know your arse from your elbow, I'm gonna ignore your retarded ramblings.

[Geezah]

Why should he know what CCW stands for when we have never had such a practice in our country? I doubt 10% of the population would have a clue what it meant.Because when attacking natural freedoms of another country, and professing to know what you're talking about, you should indeed actually know what you're talking about.

Well, I might have listened to you...

but seeing as you don't know your arse from your elbow, I'm gonna ignore your retarded ramblings.

The straw man cometh, so you worked out where you live yet?

[BarkingSquirrel]

Why should he know what CCW stands for when we have never had such a practice in our country? I doubt 10% of the population would have a clue what it meant.Because when attacking natural freedoms of another country, and professing to know what you're talking about, you should indeed actually know what you're talking about.

Well, I might have listened to you...

but seeing as you don't know your arse from your elbow, I'm gonna ignore your retarded ramblings.Atleast I know what a CCW is, and other gun terms in a gun debate. That is, unlike your-"I know what I'm talking about, yet actually have no clue"-self. ;) It is exactly like being in a debate about proper automobile driving and overall use, while not knowing what a Driver's License is.

[limey]

Why should he know what CCW stands for when we have never had such a practice in our country? I doubt 10% of the population would have a clue what it meant.Because when attacking natural freedoms of another country, and professing to know what you're talking about, you should indeed actually know what you're talking about.

Well, I might have listened to you...

but seeing as you don't know your arse from your elbow, I'm gonna ignore your retarded ramblings.Atleast I know what a CCW is, and other gun terms in a gun debate. That is, unlike your-"I know what I'm talking about, yet actually have no clue"-self. ;) It is exactly like being in a debate about proper automobile driving and overall use, while not knowing what a Driver's License is.

CCW is an ABBREVIATION. If you didn't go to special school, you might know the difference.

[BarkingSquirrel]

CCW is an ABBREVIATION.Yeah, so? You still didn't know it, while alledging to know what you're talking about. Two words properly describe you: "Dumbass" and "Hypocrite".


If you didn't go to special school, you might know the difference.I'd go, but I don't feel like rolling you around the campus all day, for a job. Do you have any clue how horrible a teacher's salary is? Who am I kidding, you don't have a clue about anything, as you've proven time and time again.

[Geezah]

I'm starting to believe that he's not even in the UK, just another troll come to try and stir up the pot!

[BarkingSquirrel]

I'm still convinced that he's really a monkey mashing buttons on a keyboard.

[limey]

CCW is an ABBREVIATION.Yeah, so? You still didn't know it, while alledging to know what you're talking about. Two words properly describe you: "Dumbass" and "Hypocrite".


If you didn't go to special school, you might know the difference.I'd go, but I don't feel like rolling you around the campus all day, for a job. Do you have any clue how horrible a teacher's salary is? Who am I kidding, you don't have a clue about anything, as you've proven time and time again.

When you are old enough and wise enough to gain the concept of an argument, I'll look forward to hearing it. Although I'm not going to hold my breath.

It's nice to know the asylum allows retards like you to utilise the internet, but they should supervise you, to prevent you from making an arse of yourself.

[BarkingSquirrel]

I'm quite aware of what constitutes an argument. You on the otherhand, obviously does not. Making a false statement, being proven wrong by someone who lives there, the proceeding to initiate personal attacks does not constitue an argument.

Care to guess why none of the other anti-gun nuts even tries to help you? Because as ass backwards as their information is, it still doesn't compare to your so called knowledge. You're standard response to being proven wrong is "Nuh uh, you fat head". You are a complete and utter idiot, and the worst part is that you know it yet flaunt it like some desirable trait.


It's nice to know the asylum allows retards like you to utilise the internet, but they should supervise you, to prevent you from making an arse of yourself.Hey, quit looking in the mirror when I'm talking to you.

Do us all a favor. Develope Scurvy and die, Limey.

[limey]

I'm quite aware of what constitutes an argument. You on the otherhand, obviously does not. Making a false statement, being proven wrong by someone who lives there, the proceeding to initiate personal attacks does not constitue an argument.

Care to guess why none of the other anti-gun nuts even tries to help you? Because as ass backwards as their information is, it still doesn't compare to your so called knowledge. You're standard response to being proven wrong is "Nuh uh, you fat head". You are a complete and utter idiot, and the worst part is that you know it yet flaunt it like some desirable trait.


It's nice to know the asylum allows retards like you to utilise the internet, but they should supervise you, to prevent you from making an arse of yourself.Hey, quit looking in the mirror when I'm talking to you.

Do us all a favor. Develope Scurvy and die, Limey.

rofl

I get the feeling I'm not needed here. Why should I take the piss out of you, when you take the piss out of yourself so much better ?!! Are you able to be truthful about ANYTHING ?

BTW - I'm sure the anti-gun people realise I'm doing a good job of kicking your arse from pillar to post, already. I don't need support, unlike yourself.

Just because you need to be Geezah and Durandals rabid poodle, it doesn't mean I need a pet too.

[Geezah]

Just because you need to be Geezah and Durandals rabid poodle, it doesn't mean I need a pet too.

Just because BarkingSquirrel has a better understanding of the real world than yourself does not make him a rabid poodle to anyone. If you haven't noticed he's quite independent and I actually find his posts amusing, and he's also able to get allot across with the least amount of words. Quite efficient really.

Didn't you tell Auzzzie I was owned at one point, seemed the two of you were quite cosey together?

[limey]

Just because you need to be Geezah and Durandals rabid poodle, it doesn't mean I need a pet too.

Just because BarkingSquirrel has a better understanding of the real world than yourself does not make him a rabid poodle to anyone. If you haven't noticed he's quite independent and I actually find his posts amusing, and he's also able to get allot across with the least amount of words. Quite efficient really.

If you're done sucking up to him...?

You, Durandal and BS work like a wolf pack. You troll this topic with pro-gun propaganda spam, fishing for a response, and when some innocent Noob replies (bites), the three of you pounce and work together. You soon forget the topic and begin flaming the passing noob. But thats OK, I enjoy a good argument.


Didn't you tell Auzzzie I was owned at one point, seemed the two of you were quite cosey together?

If you believe that when someone agrees with you they want to be romantically involved, you must get a lot of rejections. Is your love of guns born out of this frustration ?

[BarkingSquirrel]

Actually until you showed up, I tended to stay away from Geezah and Durandal, though I would associate every now and then. However just like a good fishing area is too good to resist, your posts have too much laughing potential. Can't resist not interacting. Therefore I submit that it is indeed you that I am following and hanging around with. It's not my fault all your posts are against the same 2 people and thus giving you the false impression that it is them that I am hanging around with.

Want me to draw you a diagram? I can use crayons so you can understand it.

[limey]

Actually until you showed up, I tended to stay away from Geezah and Durandal, though I would associate every now and then. However just like a good fishing area is too good to resist, your posts have too much laughing potential. Can't resist not interacting. Therefore I submit that it is indeed you that I am following and hanging around with. It's not my fault all your posts are against the same 2 people and thus giving you the false impression that it is them that I am hanging around with.

Want me to draw you a diagram? I can use crayons so you can understand it.

If you feel the need to hang around men, attempting to pick them up, that is up to you. Just don't start crying because I rejected you.

[BarkingSquirrel]

That's your 37th homo****** insinuation, c'mon even you can do better than that. Make with the funny, or I'm changing the channel.

[limey]

That's your 37th homo****** insinuation, c'mon even you can do better than that. Make with the funny, or I'm changing the channel.

Links please.

[BarkingSquirrel]

That's your 37th homo****** insinuation, c'mon even you can do better than that. Make with the funny, or I'm changing the channel.

Links please.Sure thing. Here ya go:

1 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=You)
2 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Are)
3 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=A)
4 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Complete)
5 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Idiot)
6 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=And)
7 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Fool)
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8 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Like)
9 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=I)
10 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Said)
11 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Please)
12 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Develope)
13 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Scurvy)
14 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=And)
15 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Die)
16 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=You)
17 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Tea)
18 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Drinking)
19 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Sissy)
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20 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=I)
21 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Can't)
22 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Believe)
23 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=You're)
24 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Still)
25 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Reading)
26 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=This)
27 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=You)
28 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=God)
29 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Damned)
30 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Twit)
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31 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=You)
32 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Are)
33 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=As)
34 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Dumb)
35 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=As)
36 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=We)
37 (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Thought)

[limey]

I see you have too much time on your hands !!!

Once again, you can't back up your lies...errr, I mean claims.

[DarkCypher]

**** me these Firearms topics between Limey, BarkingSquirrel and Geezah are getting a little f***ing tedious.

I believe in the right to bare arms and protect oneself, but the whole lot of you have different opinions and can't seem to grasp that fact and instead of actually debating you’ve resorted to name-calling...

I count 6 of these firearms topics already... damn...

[Oddbod]

Limey
You know nothing about this subject except for the GFW drivel you have absorbed from the "popular press"
IF you are going to make a statement, then check your facts beforehand.
There is NO REQUIREMENT FOR A LICENSE FOR AIR-WEAPONS IN THE UK if they have a muzzle energy of less than 12ft/lbs for rifles & 6ft/lbs for pistols.
Any that exceed this require a FAC in exactly the same way as a .22 rimfire rifle.
This has not changed & has been on the Statutes for many years.
Have you ever held a firearm?
Fired one?
Been fired at?
Fired at someone?

I have done all that & more.
FEAR OF GUNS is what drives you & many others without actually thinking the whole thing through.

I fail to understand your membership of a site like this, unless you gain a vicarious pleasure in combat, that brings no danger to yourself.

If you are scared of armed people, then don't deny those of us who want to protect ourselves the right to do so.
We aren't out to get you - we ARE out to defend ourselves against criminal elements that the Police have singularly failed to control.

[BarkingSquirrel]

f*** me these Firearms topics between Limey, BarkingSquirrel and Geezah are getting a little f***ing tedious.

I believe in the right to bare arms and protect oneself, but the whole lot of you have different opinions and can't seem to grasp that fact and instead of actually debating you’ve resorted to name-calling...

I count 6 of these firearms topics already... damn...Don't like it, don't read it. Or did you just fall off of the logic train with Limey?

[limey]

Limey
You know nothing about this subject except for the GFW drivel you have absorbed from the "popular press"
IF you are going to make a statement, then check your facts beforehand.
There is NO REQUIREMENT FOR A LICENSE FOR AIR-WEAPONS IN THE UK if they have a muzzle energy of less than 12ft/lbs for rifles & 6ft/lbs for pistols.
Any that exceed this require a FAC in exactly the same way as a .22 rimfire rifle.
This has not changed & has been on the Statutes for many years.
Have you ever held a firearm?
Fired one?
Been fired at?
Fired at someone?

I have done all that & more.
FEAR OF GUNS is what drives you & many others without actually thinking the whole thing through.

I fail to understand your membership of a site like this, unless you gain a vicarious pleasure in combat, that brings no danger to yourself.

If you are scared of armed people, then don't deny those of us who want to protect ourselves the right to do so.
We aren't out to get you - we ARE out to defend ourselves against criminal elements that the Police have singularly failed to control.

Yes
Yes
Yes
No

I'm amazed you know me so well, including what knowledge I have/don't have. Whats your real name, as I don't recognise you from your reply.

As for changes in law, I'm just going off police info...
www.met.police.uk/firearms-enquiries/new_legis.htm

I'm a member here because of my interest in the military and it's history (isn't that what this site is for ?). If I was looking for arguments over guns, I would have become a member of some gun-nut forum.

You think I'm SCARED of gun owners ?!! rofl

Sorry - you're wrong.

[Geezah]

I'm a member here because of my interest in the military and it's history (isn't that what this site is for ?). If I was looking for arguments over guns, I would have become a member of some gun-nut forum.

This is the Political Discussions and Rants section of MilitaryPhotos.Net so really this is the correct area to discuss gun control.



You think I'm SCARED of gun owners ?!! rofl

Sorry - you're wrong.

If you're not scared, then why are you so against law abiding citizens owning firearms?
To be honest with you, I am scared of crims owning firearms but I understand and realize they do and I have made the choice to fight fire with fire if the need ever arises.
My time on this Earth is short enough, I don't want some arsehole making it even shorter.

[Oddbod]

Your link merely mentions the fact that air weapons using self contained cartridges have to be licensed, which is old news.

I didn't say you were scared of gun owners, I said guns.

This whole matter is to do with a persons' right to own firearms for whatever reason, including the right to defend themselves & their property from criminals.

Two terrible incidents have been used by the UK Gov't to remove most of those rights - not to constrain the acts of criminals but to increase control of the individual.

Criminal use of firearms is being used as an excuse to further restrict our rights, whilst having absoloutely ZERO effect on those it purports to target.
Any sane person can see this, so the Gov't knows EXACTLY what it is doing.

Sooner or later restrictions on firearms for personal defence will have to be lifted, as the Police are patently failing to protect the public from violent criminals.