New USMC goretex in digital

[slobo]

Anyone seen the new issue USMC goretex gear (parka & pants) in woodland MARPAT in the field? Was wondering if it's being issued yet. Believe its called APECS (all purpose environmental clothing system -- or something like that).

[Ratamacue]

Is this it?

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/ratamacue01/ayy.sized.jpg
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/ratamacue01/azd.sized.jpg
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/ratamacue01/aze.sized.jpg
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/ratamacue01/azf.sized.jpg

Those were taken in Iraq (except the first one, which is at Twentynine Palms), so if that's what you're asking about, then it looks like it's out there.

[slobo]

Right on the money -- thanx.

[rawkitheart]

is it just me or does the woodland marpat look more muddy than woody?

[Ratamacue]

is it just me or does the woodland marpat look more muddy than woody?
The coyote brown color changes hue depending on ambient light, so it really all depends on where you are as to how it'll appear...one of the main selling points of the pattern.

[rawkitheart]

is it just me or does the woodland marpat look more muddy than woody?
The coyote brown color changes hue depending on ambient light, so it really all depends on where you are as to how it'll appear...one of the main selling points of the pattern.

i need an excuse to go get some.

[Brozozo]

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/ratamacue01/aze.sized.jpg

Funny how the Americans are all bundled up while the Iraqi doesn't seem to mind the apparent cold...would have imagined it the other way around.

[Initiative]

How cold does it get there? (Iraq)

[11F5S]

How cold does it get there? (Iraq)

One thing that you lacking in is INITIATIVE :(

It would behoove you to learn to use a search engine.

http://www.worldclimate.com/cgi-bin/grid.pl?gr=N33E044

[Scrim]

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/ratamacue01/aze.sized.jpg

Funny how the Americans are all bundled up while the Iraqi doesn't seem to mind the apparent cold...would have imagined it the other way around.

Point taken, but maybe the Iraqi has been driving around in a warm cop car all day, wheras the Marines have been pounding the ground.

[Initiative]

How cold does it get there? (Iraq)

One thing that you lacking in is INITIATIVE :P

It would behoove you to learn to use a search engine.

http://www.worldclimate.com/cgi-bin/grid.pl?gr=N33E044

Thanks for the link.

I'm sorry you are so distraught by my route to an answer. :(

[11F5S]

Here's another that better addresses your question.
http://www.magazine.noaa.gov/stories/mag87.htm

Saddened by it yes. Distraught over it, not on your life.

It would also behoove you to peruse a dictionary from time to time.

[Initiative]

Here's another that better addresses your question.
http://www.magazine.noaa.gov/stories/mag87.htm

Saddened by it yes, distraught not on your life.

It would also behoove you to peruse a dictionary from time to time.

Point taken. :)

[Hobart]

Are there any plans to issue a desert MARPAT version as well? The old second generation gore-tex suit has never been issued in anything but woodland camo, as far as I know.

[JTAR7242]

Are there any plans to issue a desert MARPAT version as well? The old second generation gore-tex suit has never been issued in anything but woodland camo, as far as I know.I saw a picture of the SecNav or some other Washington official wearing one.

As far as the Woodland being muddy, that's true. The primary color of the uniform is brown (something like 45% of the color on the four color (brown, green, black, grey) uniform), but they appear green because the green catches your eye. It is this very blending that makes it so effective.

[JTAR7242]

Funny how the Americans are all bundled up while the Iraqi doesn't seem to mind the apparent cold...would have imagined it the other way around.Well, it may be because the Americans have the gear and the Iraqi police haven't issued the proper gear yet either. Run what you brung is an old street racing/drag racing adage. Of cours acclimitization is a big issue too. You have to remember, IMEF is there right now, and those units are primarily from San Diego (with other scattered bases in AZ and CA). Some troops just might not be as used to the local weather as someone who spent their whole life there.

[USMC-Congbuster]

Thank god were finally going to have some uniformity with our camo.

New marpat goretex to go along with the marpat SALLIE packs, all we need is a marpet flack and well be all set

[Ratamacue]

Thank god were finally going to have some uniformity with our camo.

New marpat goretex to go along with the marpat SALLIE packs, all we need is a marpet flack and well be all set
I think they're going with coyote brown Interceptors for both woodland and desert environments rather than doing it in a camo pattern.

[slobo]

...with coyote brown molle pouches as well.

[stuntman]

Desert marpat jacket!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/studrican22/picture_max2.jpg

Does anyone have pictures of Marines with green marpat camies and coyote vest?

[Ratamacue]

Does anyone have pictures of Marines with green marpat camies and coyote vest?
Click to enlarge. Last three are Navy Corpsmen, but I figure that they count all the same. ;)

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[stuntman]

Hey thx alot Ratamacue! Your personal opinion, do you think its a good idea to use coyote vest even in greener enviroment? thx!

[Ratamacue]

Hey thx alot Ratamacue! Your personal opinion, do you think its a good idea to use coyote vest even in greener enviroment? thx!
I'm not really an expert when it comes to camouflage, but certainly if you made the vest in MARPAT as well then it would be more effective, however, it's highly unlikely that they would issue two different vests, one in woodland and one in desert. Therefore, even though coyote brown isn't as effective in specific environments as the woodland or desert patterns, it provides more versatility. And besides, in most environments, even if they appear to be predominately green, there's really more brown involved, particularly when you look at negative space (the background around the soldier instead of the foreground or vegetation next to or in front of them).

[stuntman]

Hey thx alot Ratamacue! Your personal opinion, do you think its a good idea to use coyote vest even in greener enviroment? thx!
I'm not really an expert when it comes to camouflage, but certainly if you made the vest in MARPAT as well then it would be more effective, however, it's highly unlikely that they would issue two different vests, one in woodland and one in desert. Therefore, even though coyote brown isn't as effective in specific environments as the woodland or desert patterns, it provides more versatility. And besides, in most environments, even if they appear to be predominately green, there's really more brown involved, particularly when you look at negative space (the background around the soldier instead of the foreground or vegetation next to or in front of them).
Well that makes sence espacially this comment
particularly when you look at negative space which is most likly why USMC did not have more of a jungle stalker or cadpat type camo! Wow see this makes sence, because when i was out airsofting (yeah Im a wannabee) I asked this guy whats up with the grey brown set up and he explained to me that every one thinks that camo is needed for similarity between bushes and leaves when he told me "if you have proper cover you can wear a clown suit behind some bushes and still be camo but its between the bushes that you need camo for!" Now I see how coyote brown could work with negative spaces. Thx you have solved the age old many questions I have..

[Ratamacue]

Hey thx alot Ratamacue! Your personal opinion, do you think its a good idea to use coyote vest even in greener enviroment? thx!
I'm not really an expert when it comes to camouflage, but certainly if you made the vest in MARPAT as well then it would be more effective, however, it's highly unlikely that they would issue two different vests, one in woodland and one in desert. Therefore, even though coyote brown isn't as effective in specific environments as the woodland or desert patterns, it provides more versatility. And besides, in most environments, even if they appear to be predominately green, there's really more brown involved, particularly when you look at negative space (the background around the soldier instead of the foreground or vegetation next to or in front of them).
Well that makes sence espacially this comment
particularly when you look at negative space which is most likly why USMC did not have more of a jungle stalker or cadpat type camo! Wow see this makes sence, because when i was out airsofting (yeah Im a wannabee) I asked this guy whats up with the grey brown set up and he explained to me that every one thinks that camo is needed for similarity between bushes and leaves when he told me "if you have proper cover you can wear a clown suit behind some bushes and still be camo but its between the bushes that you need camo for!" Now I see how coyote brown could work with negative spaces. Thx you have solved the age old many questions I have..
Actually, CADPAT and most other dot patterns (i.e. Flecktarn) work on the same principle as MARPAT in that they try to blend in with negative space, whereas US Woodland or hunter camouflages are more effective with positive space, i.e. standing against a tree.

[stuntman]

Ok well I had it backwards but yes! Thx

[Scrim]

Ratamacue-Those couple of pictures(one with the cameraman). Are they from last weeks "24"? Do you know the story on that?

[Ratamacue]

Ratamacue-Those couple of pictures(one with the cameraman). Are they from last weeks "24"? Do you know the story on that?
Yeah, they are. They're from Special Operations Training Group. You can read the story here (http://www.marines.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf/lookupstoryref/2005121104758).

Here are the other two pictures (no hires for the first one).
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/ratamacue01/axj.jpg
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/ratamacue01/azy.jpg

I edited the pictures to remove some of the haziness.

[USMC-Congbuster]

Last three are Navy Corpsmen, but I figure that they count all the same.


you must be smoking bootbands if you think corpsmen and marines are the same :bash:

[Ratamacue]

Last three are Navy Corpsmen, but I figure that they count all the same.
you must be smoking bootbands if you think corpsmen and marines are the same :bash:
What I meant was that the Corpsmen were wearing MARPAT and coyote vests, so even though they weren't Marines the pictures would still be okay for stuntman.

[Black Dog]

A new set of gore-tex Marpat parka+trousers have been sold on EBaY for over 600USD! :cantbeli:

[jeffbaldwin]

I planning to buy the new usmc apecs parka in marpat.
Where can I buy that jacket, unfortunately the military stores don't have it? I need medium reg.

Any ideas?

Thank you

[slobo]

I planning to buy the new usmc apecs parka in marpat.
Where can I buy that jacket, unfortunately the military stores don't have it? I need medium reg.

Any ideas?

Thank you

If you can't purchase through normal channels like the PX, eBay's probably your only real option. Be prepared for sticker shock -- Prices are high.

[jeffbaldwin]

Thanks, yeah I checked ebay.

These parkas are really rare, there are only 3 listed at the moment.

The prices are pretty high but I think the parka is worth the money.