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Clay
10-29-2003, 06:28 PM
McCallum to spend millions on light-armoured vehicles
Last Updated Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:48:09
OTTAWA - The federal government will buy 65 light-armoured vehicles to replace more than 100 tanks, Canada's defence minister will announce Wednesday.

Defence Minister John McCallum received approval from cabinet Tuesday to buy the Stryker eight-wheeled armoured vehicle as a replacement for the army's Cold War era Leopard tanks.

The purchase is worth about $600 million.

The Defence Ministry has faced criticism for not properly equipping Canadian troops after two soldiers were killed recently when their Iltis jeep drove over a mine in Afghanistan.

American soldiers recently ran their Stryker armoured vehicles through a series of exercises at Fort Lewis, Wash.

The U.S. Army is deploying this unit, its first-ever Stryker Brigade, to Iraq.

Col. Michael Rounds, Brigade Commander, says he has complete confidence in his vehicles, although he acknowledges some people may still have questions about them.

"I know people from the outside still think there are some bugs. I don't really see any bugs. I think that we've got the normal issues within preparation that any unit has. Am I comfortable taking this brigade into combat? I absolutely am."

While the Stryker has its supporters, there are many inside and outside the military who say the vehicle has no place on the battlefield.

Victor O'Reilly, a defence consultant who this year wrote an extensive study on the Stryker, said the vehicle is vulnerable to rocket propelled grenades (RPG).

"The weapon of choice of most terrorists and, frankly, probably the commonest weapon in the Third World today is the RPG. And the Stryker is just not RPG resistant. An RPG will go right through it," he said.

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Operation Ivy
10-29-2003, 06:33 PM
Not trying to sound mean, but i think this is a very dumb idea. i think you should always have a MBT in your arsenal. LAV dont provide the power tanks have. Mabe this is a good thing, i just dont c how. (am i wrong)
USMarine3521
10-29-2003, 06:49 PM
i'd take a USMC LAV-25 anyday; it's faster, more firepower, can actually shoot while moving, and the coolest past is its amphibious. heh :D

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/congress/2003_rpt/stryker_reality_of_war.pdf
marktigger
10-29-2003, 06:50 PM
unfortunatley canada has limited defence funds. I agree having an MBT is a good Idea. I thought the canadian leopard 1's had just been up dated. But sucessive canadian Govts have run down Canada's military capability.
ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
10-29-2003, 06:51 PM
uuuummmmmm guys this is the canadian government man. we dont have that much money. 65 tanks is **** **** for americans to buy...sometimes we have to make do with what we have been given.
budanski
10-29-2003, 07:01 PM
Tanks, Shmanks who's gonna really attack you when the U.S. has got your back? Afterall, werent we (U.S.) the last country that attempted to invade ya? ;)
Clay
10-29-2003, 07:03 PM
Tanks, Shmanks who's gonna really attack you when the U.S. has got your back? Afterall, werent we (U.S.) the last country that attempted to invade ya? ;) ya then we brunt the white house down WOOT! lol
budanski
10-29-2003, 07:04 PM
you big meanies!
Operation Ivy
10-29-2003, 07:12 PM
Tanks, Shmanks who's gonna really attack you when the U.S. has got your back? Afterall, werent we (U.S.) the last country that attempted to invade ya? ;) ya then we brunt the white house down WOOT! lol

Time for pay back hehehehehehehe :D
Clay
10-29-2003, 07:15 PM
lol well that was back when we had an army lol jk
ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
10-29-2003, 07:35 PM
Ya i second the white house burning :lol:
but hey how bout them new arid cadpat uni's...now thats some tax dollars well spent.
Operation Ivy
10-29-2003, 07:36 PM
yes very sexy :P
Russian Texan
10-29-2003, 07:48 PM
Worst peace of hardware adopted by the army ever, period
I want my tax money to be spend on something that is step forward not back.
Otsoa
10-29-2003, 08:53 PM
Well, it's another screw over by the Canadian government to the military but there is some logic to that decision (however flawed that may be). It is a well proven fact that the Leopard 1s that Canada has in it's arsenal are running short on availabel parts to keep them well maintained. Those parts that are available are also horrendouly expensive. There are also problems with the hulls of the tanks cracking as well.
NcDeuce
10-29-2003, 08:57 PM
we (U.S.) the last country that attempted to invade ya?

:bash:

Don't tell anybody about our secret plan to conquer the Western Hemisphere!

rofl
[AFSOC]
10-29-2003, 08:59 PM
So waiT??

Are they getting rid of the all the Leopards? Even the new C2 Leopoards?
budanski
10-29-2003, 09:00 PM
Don't tell anybody about our secret plan to conquer the Western Hemisphere!
rofl

All for Canadian cuisine. Is there such a thing? :D
Clay
10-29-2003, 09:03 PM
So waiT??

Are they getting rid of the all the Leopards? Even the new C2 Leopoards? these new tank look very gay, they cant even with stand a mine blast,
Nite
10-29-2003, 09:27 PM
Hmm, i don't see the sense of replacing a MBT with an APC.
wholagun
10-30-2003, 12:31 AM
80% of Canadians live 250km from the US border, that's what like a... 4....5 day march for the US troops ain't it. Your screwed Yanks, right now your thinking Canada's got no guns,, ha thats what u think, we'll paint our hockey sticks black or use black hockey tape,, then you'll be "**** look at thier big guns" and run away. That or we'll have to call in the Eskimos,, thats right, wait or better yet those vicious man attacking beavers (like the ones from the Molson beer commercials, ah those are funny commercials, attacking that preppy Yankee).
Face it who can compete with hockey sticks with black hockey tape for guns, Eskimos with arrows, and vicious man stopping Beavers..they're bound to stop any army dead in it's tracks. :D
redhawk_six
10-30-2003, 01:36 AM
80% of Canadians live 250km from the US border, that's what like a... 4....5 day march for the US troops ain't it. Your screwed Yanks, right now your thinking Canada's got no guns,, ha thats what u think, we'll paint our hockey sticks black or use black hockey tape,, then you'll be "**** look at thier big guns" and run away. That or we'll have to call in the Eskimos,, thats right, wait or better yet those vicious man attacking beavers (like the ones from the Molson beer commercials, ah those are funny commercials, attacking that preppy Yankee).
Face it who can compete with hockey sticks with black hockey tape for guns, Eskimos with arrows, and vicious man stopping Beavers..they're bound to stop any army dead in it's tracks. :D

No need to paint hockey sticks. There are an estimated 10 million families in Canada, and somewhere around 7 to 8 million Registered guns. Plus, probably a few hundred thousand un-registered, illegally owned guns.

Or we could just get your troops piss drunk with our supiour beer and beat you that way. lol :P
wholagun
10-30-2003, 01:52 AM
No need to paint hockey sticks. There are an estimated 10 million families in Canada, and somewhere around 7 to 8 million Registered guns. Plus, probably a few hundred thousand un-registered, illegally owned guns. No **** eh, damn I didn't know that. Well thats news to me..
redhawk_six
10-30-2003, 01:55 AM
No need to paint hockey sticks. There are an estimated 10 million families in Canada, and somewhere around 7 to 8 million Registered guns. Plus, probably a few hundred thousand un-registered, illegally owned guns. No **** eh, damn I didn't know that. Well thats news to me..

Yeah, mainly because of Canada's historical foundations in hunting and trapping. Most of those weapons are rifles and shotguns, with a healthy representation of hand guns as well.