Salute to the Firefighters

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Orange County, Calif. fire captain Rob Patterson, left, explains the plan of attack to Orange County firefighter Andy Kovacs, right, as flames burn down the hillside above the town of Descanso, Calif., Wednesday, Oct. 29, 2003. The unit was assigned to protect downtown Descanso and surrounding areas. (AP Photo/Denis Poroy)

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Fire Battalion Chief Alan Biagi looks out over a vista and a huge plume of smoke on the next ridge in Running Springs, Calif., in the San Bernardino Mountains, Wednesday, Oct. 29, 2003. The San Bernardino range east of Los Angeles and the mountains of eastern San Diego County were the focal points in the long arc of wildfires that officials said Wednesday had roared across more than 608,000 acres --about 950 square miles, nearly the area of Rhode Island.(AP Photo/Paul Sakuma)

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Fire vehicles move into position to battle wildfires Wednesday, Oct. 29, 2003, near Running Springs, Calif. in Calif. The area, near Lake Arrowhead in the San Bernadino Mountains, is under an evacuation order. (AP Photo/Ric Francis)

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U.S. Forest Service firefighters from the Cleveland National Forest, from left; Marc Farrel, Brian Theler, and Cheryl Raines battle the Cedar Fire late Tuesday, Oct. 28, 2003 in Descanso, CA. The Cedar Fire is one of ten fires burning throughout southern California. (AP Photo/Matt York)


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Flames cast an orange glow as they work their way down the hill as lights from the rig of a Los Angeles County Department strike team casts a red glow on homes on Royal Oaks Drive in Stevenson Ranch, Calif., as the Simi Valley fire turned north and burned northward Tuesday, Oct. 28, 2003. No homes had been lost by sunset. (AP Photo/Reed Saxon)

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Ventura Fire Department Capt. Randy Greenlee works the front face of the Cedar fire outside Julian, Calif., Tuesday, Oct. 28, 2003. Ten thousand firefighters were on the front lines throughout the state, battling California's deadliest wildfires in more than a decade. (AP Photo/Tim Tadder)

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Firefighters douse a house on fire in Lake Arrowhead, Calif., Tuesday, Oct. 28, 2003. (AP Photo/Paul Sakuma)

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The Grand Prix Fire burns in the distance, seen from the mountain community of Big Bear, Calif., Tuesday, Oct. 28, 2003. The mountain community was under mandatory evacuation as the wildfire is advancing. (AP Photo/Kevork Djansezian)

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A P-2 fire-fighting plane drops flame retardant on top of Highway 18 as the Grand Prix Fire burns towards the mountain community of Lake Arrowhead, Calif., in the mountains above San Bernardino, Tuesday, Oct. 28, 2003. (AP Photo/Kevork Djansezian)

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The Grand Prix Fire burns on the edge of Highway 18 as it advances towards the community of Lake Arrowhead, Calif., in the mountains above San Bernardino, Tuesday, Oct. 28, 2003. (AP Photo/Kevork Djansezian)


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A Douglas DC-4 fire-fighting plane drops flame retardent on top of homes and firefighters on state highway 18 as they make stand before the Grand Prix Fire jumps the highway and crosses over into the community of Lake Arrowhead, in the mountains above San Bernardino, Calif., Tuesday, Oct. 28, 2003. (AP Photo/Kevork Djansezian)

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Firefighters surrounded by flame retardant make a last stand on state highway 18 in Lake Arrowhead, Calif., as the Grand Prix Fire burns around houses Tuesday, Oct. 28, 2003. (AP Photo/Kevork Djansezian)[quote]

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[quote]Firefighters Steve Hernandez, left, and Justin Correll of the Sky Forest Fire Dept. battle the Old Fire as it tries to jump over state highway 18 in Lake Arrowhead, Calif. on Tuesday, Oct. 28, 2003. (AP Photo/Marcio Jose Sanchez)

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A helicopter dumps water on a wildfire near homes on a hillside in the Chatsworth section of Los Angeles, Tuesday, Oct, 28, 2003. Firefighters, before dawn, successfully kept the flames from many homes in the area.(AP Photo/Nick Ut)

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A helicopter suctions water from Lake Piru, in Ventura County Monday, Oct. 27, 2003, in Piru, Calif. The helicopter is able to suction up to 2,000 gallons of water in two to three minutes. (AP Photo/Ana E. Fuentes)

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Willy Voesten watches as a skycrane drops water on the hills adjacent to his home Monday, Oct. 27, 2003, in the Lytle Creek section of San Bernardino, Calif. Fires continue to rage through Southern California destroying hundreds of homes. (AP Photo/Ric Francis)

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A Sky Crane helicopter makes a water drop on to houses still standing as another is fully consumed by flames in Crestline, Calif., west of Lake Arrowhead in the mountains above San Bernardino Wednesday, Oct. 29, 2003. The out of control Grand Prix Fire continues to burn towards Big Bear, Lake Arrowhead, and Hesperia. (AP Photo/Kevork Djansezian)

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A helicoptor rises behind a house as crews prepare to drop water on a smoldering hillside outside of Julian, Calif. Oct. 29, 2003. Firefighers were trying to keep the 250,000 acre Cedar fire from spreading into the mountain towns east of San Diego. (AP Photo/Charlie Riedel)

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A helicopter drops water on a burning hillside at Julian, Calif. Wednesday, Oct. 29, 2003. Crews were trying to prevent the 250,000 acre Cedar fire from spreading into the mountian towns east of San Diego. (AP Photo/Charlie Riedel)

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A helicopter picks up fire retardant from a huge bucket to help battle a fire nearby in Lake Arrowhead, Calif., in the San Bernardino Mountains Wednesday, Oct. 29, 2003. The San Bernardino range east of Los Angeles and the mountains of eastern San Diego County were the focal points in the long arc of wildfires that officials said Wednesday had roared across more than 608,000 acres --about 950 square miles, nearly the area of Rhode Island.(AP Photo/Paul Sakuma)

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A Los Angeles County Fire helicopter drops water on a flareup in Stevenson Ranch, Calif., as the Simi Valley fire turned north and burned northward Tuesday, Oct. 28, 2003. (AP Photo/Reed Saxon)

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A hand crew from the California Department of Corrections Malibu conservation camp beats a hasty retreat as a wall of flames erupts behid them as a hot spot from the Simi Valley fire flares up in Stevenson Ranch Wednesday, Oct. 29, 2003. As of midday firefighters had been able to save all the homes in this area. (AP Photo/Reed Saxon)

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Firefighters in a California Department of Forestry truck drive between flames from a wildfire that jumped Route 76 near Wynola, Calif., Wednesday, Oct. 29, 2003. (AP Photo/Denis Poroy)

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A pair of Los Angeles County firefighters are dwarfed by flames dozens of feet high as a hot spot from the Simi Valley fire flares up in Stevenson Ranch Wednesday, Oct. 29, 2003. As of midday firefighters had been able to save all the homes in this area. (AP Photo/Reed Saxon)

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California Gov. Gray Davis, fourth from right, wearing blue shirt, arrives at San Bernardino Airport for a news conference Wednesday, Oct. 29, 2003, in San Bernardino, Calif. Davis was touring areas hit by wildfires. (AP Photo/Nam Y. Huh)

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Firefighters watch as a wildfire burns in Lake Arrowhead, Calif., Wednesday, Oct. 29, 2003. (AP Photo/San Gabriel Valley Tribune, Mike Mullen)


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Fire engines drive through a burned out area, Wednesday, Oct. 29, 2003, near the small town of Cuyamaca, Calif. (AP Photo/Mark J. Terrill)

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Micah Glasser, 4-years-old, after his family returns to their home, which was destroyed by a wildfire in Crest in San Diego County, Calif., Wednesday, Oct. 29, 2003. (AP Photo/Nick Ut)

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CDF public information officer Es Berliner, talks to members of the media about the death of a firefighter Wednesday, Oct, 29, 2003 at Wynola, Calif. Three others were injured while fighting the Cedar fire near San Diego. (AP Photo/Charlie Riedel)

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Firefighters from Lassen, Calif., take a restafter battling a huge fire in Lake Arrowhead, Calif., Tuesday, Oct. 28, 2003. (AP Photo/Paul Sakuma)

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Justin Hensley of the C.D.F.-Fire Mendocino County Strike team, rests in a fire engine in Fillmore, Calif., Tuesday, Oct. 28, 2003, in between assigments. The Mendocino crew has been working for more than 36 hours, battling wildfires in the area. (AP Photo/Ana E. Fuentes)

[Seoulstriker]

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you can see how dry it is over there in some very thick forests. some of those all-year trees are turning brown. :(

[Russian Texan]

God Bless them and good luck.

[carpandean]

I've been a volunteer firefighter (structural) since 1994, but these guys deal with a type of Hell that I can't even imagine. They deserve the same reverence as the brave men and women fighting in Iraq.

[He219]

US NAVY 'Golden Gaters' Help out...

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031029-N-5067K-023 Montgomery Field, San Diego, Calif. (Oct. 29, 2003) -- Aviation Electrician’s Mate 1st Class Carl Hohenburge and Aviation Electrician’s Mate 2nd Class Daryl Bellows, assigned to the “Golden Gaters” of Helicopter Combat Support Squadron Eighty Five (HC-85) prepare a "Bambi” bucket, which will be connected to a UH-3H Sea King helicopter. The bucket can hold 324 gallons of water weighing 3000 lbs., and will be used for training flights and aircraft certification for Navy personnel to assist in mutual fire fighting efforts against wild fires raging throughout Southern Calif. U.S Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 1st Class Michael D. Kennedy. (RELEASED)


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031029-N-5067K-031 Montgomery Field, San Diego, Calif. (Oct. 29, 2003) -- Several UH-3H Sea King helicopters assigned to the “Golden Gaters” of Helicopter Combat Support Squadron Eighty Five (HC-85) depart Montgomery Field in preparation for certification of aerial fire fighting so they may assist in mutual efforts against fighting wildfires raging throughout Southern Calif. U.S Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 1st Class Michael D. Kennedy. (RELEASED)


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031029-N-5067K-099 Montgomery Field, San Diego, Calif (Oct. 29, 2003) -- Two Sea King helicopters assigned to the “Golden Gaters” of Helicopter Combat Support Squadron Eighty Five (HC-85), load their "Bambi” buckets at Lake Miramar, Calif. during certification flights which will allow the aircraft to assist in mutual efforts against wild fires raging throughout Southern Calif. The bucket can hold 324 gallons of water weighing 3000 lbs. U.S Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 1st Class Michael D. Kennedy. (RELEASED)

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031029-N-5067K-087 Montgomery Field, San Diego, Calif. (Oct. 29, 2003) -- A UH-3H Sea King helicopter assigned to the “Golden Gaters” of Helicopter Combat Support Squadron Eighty Five (HC-85) drops a load of water during a practice run on a certification flight which will allow the aircraft to assist in mutual efforts against fighting wildfires raging throughout Southern Calif. The bucket can hold 324 gallons of water weighing 3000 lbs. U.S Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 1st Class Michael D. Kennedy. (RELEASED)

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031029-N-4441P-003 Southern Calif. (Oct. 29, 2003) -- Using Lake Murphy in the Scripps Ranch area of San Diego, a Sea King helicopter (UH-3H) assigned to the “Golden Gators” of Reserve Helicopter Combat Support Squadron Eighty Five (HC-85) loads “Bambi” buckets to conduct water drops on brush fires in support of fire fighting efforts in Southern Calif. Wild fires have caused extensive damage throughout Southern Calif., scorching more than 500,000 acres of land. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer’s Mate 2nd Class Michael J. Pusnik, Jr. (RELEASED)


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031029-N-4441P-005 Southern Calif. (Oct. 29, 2003) -- A Sea King helicopter (UH-3H) assigned to the “Golden Gators” of Reserve Helicopter Combat Support Squadron Eighty Five (HC-85) assists in fire fighting efforts throughout the Scripps Ranch area of San Diego. Wild fires have caused extensive damage throughout Southern Calif., scorching more than 500,000 acres of land. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer’s Mate 2nd Class Michael J. Pusnik, Jr. (RELEASED)

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031029-N-4441P-013 Southern Calif. (Oct. 29, 2003) -- A view from a Sea King helicopter (UH-3H) assigned to the “Golden Gators” of Reserve Helicopter Combat Support Squadron Eighty Five (HC-85) using a “Bambi” bucket to conduct water drops on brush fires in support of fire fighting efforts in southern Calif. Wild fires have caused extensive damage throughout Southern Calif., scorching more than 500,000 acres of land. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer’s Mate 2nd Class Michael J. Pusnik, Jr. (RELEASED)

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031029-N-4441P-011 Southern Calif. (Oct. 29, 2003) -- A Sea King helicopter (UH-3H) assigned to the “Golden Gators” of Reserve Helicopter Combat Support Squadron Eighty Five (HC-85) uses a “Bambi” bucket to conduct water drops on brush fires in support of fire fighting efforts in Southern Calif. Wild fires have caused extensive damage throughout Southern Calif., scorching more than 500,000 acres of land. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer’s Mate 2nd Class Michael J. Pusnik, Jr. (RELEASED)

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[Herrmannek]

Thats why we build brick houses in Poland
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Trees still with foliage, houses gone :( .

[Vance]

Thats why we build brick houses in Poland
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Trees still with foliage, houses gone :( .
That's crazy, only one house is left, virtually untouched. :|

[He219]

Thats why we build brick houses in Poland


Timber construction is leightweight and flexible, great for absorbing the energy induced by earthquakes. Concrete and Masonry are heavy, amplifying lateral loads. Much of the costal soils here in CA are ****e to liquifaction, making it necessary to design with minimal foundation point loads.

The trouble indeed comes with fire. Stucco and Roof-tiles protect most structures, but unfortunately people still use flammable shingles and wooden siding. After the fires come the rains. The loss of shrubbery and vegetation leads to inevitable landslides during the winter.

Even Europe is ****e to the disasterous forces of earthquakes, yet the relative rate of return makes that prospect a distant thought in most Northern-European minds. It does and will happen.

I gladly take earthquakes, fire, mudslides and the tsunamis that make California a unique place to live. It beats Hurricanes and Tornados!

:D

Edit: Then again, I'm partial to SoCal....

[Vance]

I gladly take earthquakes, fire, mudslides and the tsunamis that make California a unique place to live. It beats Hurricanes and Tornados!
:D
Yeah.....uh.

[Herrmannek]

Even Europe is ****e to the disasterous forces of earthquakes, yet the relative rate of return makes that prospect a distant thought in most Northern-European minds. It does and will happen.


Not one building felt from eartquake in Poland for at least few hundreds years or even more, but few felt from mining quakes:) . And brick houses can last wery long without worrying about termits :) . And even it burnes walls ussualy stays at place :)





I gladly take earthquakes, fire, mudslides and the tsunamis that make California a unique place to live. It beats Hurricanes and Tornados!


But I have cold in the house in the summer even I dont have air condition :), and I don't afraid to use penetrating ammo to deffend my hause(mainly because I have no gun :) )

[He219]

rofl

True, True, Herrmannek! Thermal Mass is the greatest benefit of Concrete and Block along with Ballistic resillience.


As for earthquakes (seismic activity) in Poland:

Magnitude 2.5
Date-Time 2003 10 22 21:37:53.5 UTC
Location 49.913N 18.457E
Depth 5 kilometers
Region POLAND-CZECH REPUBLIC-SLOVAKIA BORDER

Magnitude 3.2
Date-Time 2003 10 20 15:31:22.7 UTC
Location 51.567N 16.107E
Depth 5 kilometers
Region POLAND

Magnitude 3.5
Date-Time 2003 10 19 03:52:39.4 UTC
Location 51.566N 16.193E
Depth 5 kilometers
Region POLAND

Magnitude 3.0
Date-Time 2003 10 18 11:18:06.7 UTC
Location 51.547N 16.143E
Depth 5 kilometers
Region POLAND

Magnitude 4.1
Date-Time 2003 10 16 15:34:29.6 UTC
Location 51.564N 16.208E
Depth 5 kilometers
Region POLAND

Magnitude 3.0
Date-Time 2003 10 08 15:43:45.1 UTC
Location 51.401N 15.935E
Depth 5 kilometers
Region POLAND

Magnitude 3.0
Date-Time 2003 10 08 06:46:14.7 UTC
Location 50.256N 18.497E
Depth 5 kilometers
Region POLAND

Magnitude 3.2
Date-Time 2003 10 05 11:54:32.8 UTC
Location 50.462N 18.899E
Depth 5 kilometers
Region POLAND

Magnitude 4.8
Date-Time 2003 10 05 03:52:22.4 UTC
Location 51.573N 16.306E
Depth 5 kilometers
Region POLAND
Reference 75 km (45 miles) NW of Wroclaw, Poland

Magnitude 3.1
Date-Time 2003 10 03 17:10:40.0 UTC
Location 51.217N 15.876E
Depth 5 kilometers
Region POLAND

Magnitude 3.7
Date-Time 2003 10 03 16:01:01.3 UTC
Location 51.545N 16.128E
Depth 5 kilometers
Region POLAND

Magnitude 4.2
Date-Time 2003 10 02 23:34:23.6 UTC
Location 51.618N 16.172E
Depth 5 kilometers
Region POLAND
Reference 85 km (50 miles) NW of Wroclaw, Poland

Are those all from your Mines? :D

Source (http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/qed/)


Still, we have'nt seen fires like this in a long while. The word is that the Chinese Wood Beatle is the primary cause for creating the dry fuel.

:|

[Herrmannek]

I didn't said we dont have quakes at all, just so weak that noone feels them or just are so weak that noone can tell that this was quake or truck riding near, and most important that buildings aren't falling after them :)

I think that most of the listed are mining related look at the map almost all in mining areas.

Hey I live in Wrocław and didn't noticed any quake lately or I should say never noticed any :) .

Magnitude 4.2
Date-Time 2003 10 02 23:34:23.6 UTC
Location 51.618N 16.172E
Depth 5 kilometers
Region POLAND
Reference 85 km (50 miles) NW of Wroclaw, Poland
Map of earthquakes in Poland
http://main.amu.edu.pl/~sgp/gw/tzpl/tzpl.gif

Main reasons of eartquakes in Poland,mostly arent related to real seismic events:
-falling cells of caves or mines
-some salt(NaCl) errosion
-soil falling from mountains

[He219]

:P Herrmannek,

My point is that people design structures based on statistics and economics. Northern Europe has not had serious earthqakes in centuries and therefore there 'appears' to be no threat from seismic activity. We are ,however, floating on magma and are all succeptible to tectonic activity. Nature can destroy anything built by man.

It is also a percieved sense of security, based on a period of return for cataclysmic events, that also make us voulnerable. In California we design for earthquakes, the primary design consideration. Then you have a fire that unexpectedly destroys your home, followed by the mudslides that wash the wreckage into the sea after the fire destabilized the soils. Now that's just humor to make my point, don't start flaming... ;)

The idea is that the Building Code is based on economy. To build a 'bunker' of a house with earthquake, fire, tsunami, hurricane and ballistic resistivity is a matter of economic limitation. Few could afford that kind of home.

:D

[Herrmannek]

Couldn't resist, this is last time :)

:P Herrmannek,
My point is that people design structures based on statistics and economics. Northern Europe has not had serious earthqakes in centuries and therefore there 'appears' to be no threat from seismic activity.


Last big/disaterous eartquakes in Poland were 150-20mln years ago, don't you think this is good statistic :) , last "bigger" not mining related with many(but not so many) buildings destroyed beyond repair was in 1680 in Warsaw. :) Don't want go into geological dispute but Poland is mainly on "sand" something about 16km deep so we have some sort of sand-bag protecting us from forces of mother nature. :)



We are ,however, floating on magma and are all succeptible to tectonic activity. Nature can destroy anything built by man.


There is bigger threat: Man can destroy anything built by Nature :)





It is also a percieved sense of security, based on a period of return for cataclysmic events, that also make us voulnerable. In California we design for earthquakes, the primary design consideration. Then you have a fire that unexpectedly destroys your home, followed by the mudslides that wash the wreckage into the sea after the fire destabilized the soils. Now that's just humor to make my point, don't start flaming... ;)


Thats why I don't take life obstacles to seriously, I'm optimist from a joke:

Pesimist says:
-This can't be worst;
after second Optimist says
-..It can be ..It can Be :)




The idea is that the Building Code is based on economy. To build a 'bunker' of a house with earthquake, fire, tsunami, hurricane and ballistic resistivity is a matter of economic limitation. Few could afford that kind of home.
:D

I always thought that building home fortresses it's just good fun for rich and paranoic guys :) .

[He219]

rofl Hehe

And building on sand, very dangerous for liquifaction. Keep an eye on your groundwater elevation.... ;)

No Hearst Castle in my near future..

:D

[NcDeuce]

Whoa, nice pics.


That's crazy, only one house is left, virtually untouched.
The hand of God works in mysterious ways.

Hmm...is it just me or does it look like Gov. Davis just got a ride from a Pave Hawk.

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=453500

[Ratamacue]

Salute: :cantbeli:

[Seoulstriker]

Whoa, nice pics.


That's crazy, only one house is left, virtually untouched.
The hand of God works in mysterious ways.

Hmm...is it just me or does it look like Gov. Davis just got a ride from a Pave Hawk.

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=453500

Grey davis is no longer governor. say hi to governor schwarzeneggar.

[NcDeuce]

Ahnold! Ahnold! Ahnold!

[Skaman]

wow, these pics bring back memories from the summer. Up here in B.C, we lost about 500 homes and the fire was unrelenting. Being called out as a firefighter during the civil emergency for the army was a great experience, I was glad to help. God bless the firefighters, you guys have no idea how hard it is...give them lots of credit. Well, hope for the best, and pray for good weather.

[HumanShield]

:::rain dances::: :roll:

[He219]

http://jccc.afis.osd.mil/LBOX/mini/906718.jpg

The Santa Susana Pass Road sign atop the 118 Freeway in Simi Valley, Calif., is surrounded by flames from the Simi Fire, Oct. 27, 2003.. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Alex Koenig) (Released)


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A Modular Airborne Fire Fighting System equipped C-130E from the 146th Airlift Wing, Channel Islands Air National Guard Station, Calif., is reloaded with Phoschek fire retardant to be dropped on the Simi Fire in Southern California, Oct. 28, 2003. DoD photo by Senior Master Sgt. Dennis W. Goff, U.S. Air Force. (Released)

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A Modular Airborne Fire Fighting System equipped C-130E from the 146th Airlift Wing, Channel Islands Air National Guard Station, Calif., is reloaded with Phoschek fire retardant to be dropped on the Simi Fire in Southern California, Oct. 28, 2003. DoD photo by Senior Master Sgt. Dennis W. Goff, U.S. Air Force. (Released)


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C-130E aircrew members discuss attack routes for making fire retardant drops on the Simi Fire in Southern California, Oct. 28, 2003. DoD photo by Senior Master Sgt. Dennis W. Goff, U.S. Air Force. (Released)

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http://jccc.afis.osd.mil/LBOX/mini/906421.jpg
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http://jccc.afis.osd.mil/LBOX/mini/906418.jpg
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A Modular Airborne Fire Fighting System equipped C-130E from the 146th Airlift Wing, Channel Islands Air National Guard Station, Calif., makes a Phoschek fire retardant drop on the Simi Fire in Southern California, Oct. 28, 2003. DoD photo by Staff Sgt. Alex Koenig, U.S. Air Force. (Released)


woot

[Seoulstriker]

i wonder if all that fire-retardant stuff is non-toxic. :|

[He219]

Non-Toxic?

The Forrest Service says the red slurry is non toxic to humans...
http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/psicc/hayres/slurry.htm

Forest Magazine Article 'Red Rain' says otherwise....
http://www.fseee.org/forestmag/0303redrain.shtml

The red slurry is more like a phosphate based industrial fertilizer.

:D

More on MAFFS Here (http://www.fs.fed.us/fire/aviation/fixed_wing/maffs/system.html).