Military Hand to Hand training..

[WARPIG]

Hand to hand combat is an often over looked skill in many armies world wide. I was wondering which Militaries have the best training and what levels are they trained at? For example.. US Army recruits are given a few hours of training at best. Only advanced levels of Unarmed Combat are given to advanced level combat arms soldiers.
Also, what disciplines of Martial Arts do you think are best suited for combat soldiers?

[Russian Texan]

I bet Chineese and other asian militaries emphasize it a lot. Although I wonder how karate is going to work against 6'5'' 300lb sgt. Jones from da hood :)

[AirZone]

Hand to hand combat is an often over looked skill in many armies world wide. I was wondering which Militaries have the best training and what levels are they trained at? For example.. US Army recruits are given a few hours of training at best. Only advanced levels of Unarmed Combat are given to advanced level combat arms soldiers.
Also, what disciplines of Martial Arts do you think are best suited for combat soldiers?

the israeli "krav maga" i think is the best hand to hand combat.. because its very easy to teach and its very lethal, special forces unit around the world use it, and the same in IDF... but depends on your unit and your unit's role.

if you are in the MAGAV (border guard) you will focus more on krav maga than lets say the Yamam (Israeli SWAT) even if the yamam is a ct unit..

[budanski]

Don't the Russian Spetnaz have a technique called "systeme" (sp?) I heard that was pretty effective.

What do I know? I practice Gun-fu

[koster]

yeah, its called sambo, and theres another one, but I can't remember what its called, there are also quiete a few of knife techniques.

[NcDeuce]

I just bought a book about Krav Maga, I won't be able to start it for a month or so but it looks interesting.

[duck]

A friend of mine used to be a Taekwon do instructor in the Korean army. Seems they make all troops train that sport extensively, maybe more to build up endurance and spirit than actual combat use.

A knife is handy in hand-to-hand, so is a showel or rifle butt for breaking bones or the skull.

[Jack Mehoff]

I took Mui Thai boxing classes when I was in active duty. Running everyday can be bore as hell so I chose the alternative for workout. This Thailand instructor was cool and give all the grunts discount. He's ****ing hardcore as hell too because I asked me to smacked his shins with 1 inch thick broomstick :|

Anyway, you probably can't do any of those fancy kicks with full battle rattle during combat. I probably stick with my trustworthy bayonet if the **** hit the fan.

[Royal]

Sistema is the modern Russian military martial art.

Krav Maga is a synthesis of earlier ideas, but no less effective for that.

In the UK we teach 'jap slapping' to various levels, more so with 'high speed' units that do SST. Most of this is based on the SOE's unarmed combat manual written by Fairburn & Sykes (who also invented the synonymous knife) in 1940.

IMHO for genuine unarmed combat, milling is the best training because it teaches you to ingnore the pain and keep on attacking (it's a form of boxing with extra heavy gloves that allows head punches, and does not allow you to defend or block punches).

[budanski]

thanks for the clarification, Royal :D

"jap slapping"? sounds kinky.

[Seoulstriker]

thanks for the clarification, Royal :D

"jap slapping"? sounds kinky.

rofl

[BMF]

the us army is updating it's hand-hand with a course called "combatatives" or something close to that. its based on Judo.

[...]

Here is a few articles about the Marine Corps Martial Arts Program

https://www.tbs.usmc.mil/Pages/Martial_Arts/staff/Director's_Notes/frdir.htm

[Apogee]

The new hand-to-hand course is now taught down at FT Benning. I had a chance to get Level 1 Instructor qualified down there this summer. Their current program trains soldiers as teachers who can go back to their unit and insrtuct other soldiers. They teach a level 1, 2, and 3 course there.

A guy here is also updating the weapons side of things, like knife fighting and fighting with a blunt object. All of this is going to be in the new FM coming out soon. All of the guys in black t-shirts in the CQC picture folder were down at the school with me.

Hope that helps.

[Trigger]

USMA_SCUBA wrote:

A guy here is also updating the weapons side of things, like knife fighting and fighting with a blunt object.
as far as blunt object fighting, do they have ducimus shaped props that they hit each other with?

sorry, couldn't resist...carry on. p-)

[Fargin]

I'm not ashamed to admit being the ultimate bada** at Thai Bo. :oops:

[NcDeuce]

ducimus shaped props

Ducimus-shaped targets for the ranges, hehe.

[Seoulstriker]

I'm not ashamed to admit being the ultimate bada** at Thai Bo. :oops:

Tae Bo?

[NcDeuce]

Our football coach made us do Tae-Bo. :|

[Apogee]

Kali sticks actually, but close....

[Whisper]

The US Army teaches (at benning anyway) a fighting system called GFT or Ground Fighting Techniques. It's based largely on Brazilian Jujitsu, One of the Gracies helped develop the system and taught the first instructors. It's really big with the 75th, and now they teach to any OSUT kids training down there.

[martinexsquaddie]

the british army just encourages squaddies to get pissed and start fighting :(. Bet a barstool against a kick boxer anytime :P

[Shake n Bake]

Anyway, you probably can't do any of those fancy kicks with full battle rattle during combat. I probably stick with my trustworthy bayonet if the **** hit the fan.

front kicks and knees would be pretty effective and easy to pull off even while their mobility is hindered by gear.

http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/3-25.150/image1056.jpg


I think Incorporating muay thai, BJJ and a bit of wrestling might give our guys the edge in a fight.

[Splinter26]

Hand to hand combat is an often over looked skill in many armies world wide. I was wondering which Militaries have the best training and what levels are they trained at? For example.. US Army recruits are given a few hours of training at best. Only advanced levels of Unarmed Combat are given to advanced level combat arms soldiers.
Also, what disciplines of Martial Arts do you think are best suited for combat soldiers?

the israeli "krav maga" i think is the best hand to hand combat.. because its very easy to teach and its very lethal, special forces unit around the world use it, and the same in IDF... but depends on your unit and your unit's role.

if you are in the MAGAV (border guard) you will focus more on krav maga than lets say the Yamam (Israeli SWAT) even if the yamam is a ct unit..


LOL Some posts I've read here and there display great nationalism of Israelis, they always think they're on the top at everything... best hand to hand combat skills, best military, best soldiers, etc lol. In my opinion, what Monks practice is the deadliest form of fighting.

[WARPIG]

ROK soldiers do practice Tae Kwon Do.. but then again there are a lot of Foot ball teams in the US Army too. Tae Kwon Do has turned into a national sport there. I like it a lot .. very fluid.. perpetual.. but not practical in a combat role.
Worked out with a guy that taught "progressive street fighting." Awsome for military and law enforcement training. Much of it dealt with disarming and submissions while in full battle gear.

[duck]

Well, Taekwon Do has been around in Korea for several hundred years at least, so yep, national sport it is.

As for combat, the purpose is to kill and destroy, not disarm or do submissions. Peacekeeping has more to do with the latter two.

[Apogee]

The way it was described to me by the instructors down at the combatives school was the purpose of HTH was not to necessarily kill or maim your opponent, but to be able to live long enough for your buddy to come around the corner with his M-4/C-7/G-36 and end the situation. Thats not to say that it isn't important to know how to finish the fight if you're buddy never shows up.

As for disarming, thats pretty important b/c you REALLY don't want to fight a guy whos got a lead pipe with your bare hands. Better to either get the pipe or get it away from him and go from there. Just some thoughts though.

[duck]

p-)

End the situation? Hmmm, now what would that mean?

Anything is better than bare hands, I think we agree there.

[AirZone]

Hand to hand combat is an often over looked skill in many armies world wide. I was wondering which Militaries have the best training and what levels are they trained at? For example.. US Army recruits are given a few hours of training at best. Only advanced levels of Unarmed Combat are given to advanced level combat arms soldiers.
Also, what disciplines of Martial Arts do you think are best suited for combat soldiers?

the israeli "krav maga" i think is the best hand to hand combat.. because its very easy to teach and its very lethal, special forces unit around the world use it, and the same in IDF... but depends on your unit and your unit's role.

if you are in the MAGAV (border guard) you will focus more on krav maga than lets say the Yamam (Israeli SWAT) even if the yamam is a ct unit..


LOL Some posts I've read here and there display great nationalism of Israelis, they always think they're on the top at everything... best hand to hand combat skills, best military, best soldiers, etc lol. In my opinion, what Monks practice is the deadliest form of fighting.

bla bla bla.. god you ARE a jerk...
i said krav maga is the best hand to hand combat for a military..
its not a martial art.. its just about hitting the **** outta people with everything you have in hand, and its a combat proven, even the french GIGN use it.. and hell the palastines scares like **** from the YAMAS ("mistaravim"..undercover magav soliders) becuase the YAMAS just beat the **** outta them.. they practice with krav maga alot.

BTW did you ever studied krav maga ?
in 5 lessons i know to fight more better than i did after 1 year in karate
because you can teach many soldiers in less than a week a VERY lethal hand to hand combat... and yeah SAMBO rocks but i prefer to kill some one with a pen than beat him to death with my leg.

but if you ask me.. the dealiest martial art is thi-boxing...very agressive but not good for soldiers because you need years to get very good in it..

btw about the israeli military no we dont have the best military.. we have many ****ed up things in the system but we sure do have one of the best fighting soldiers in the world...and i dont see why we dont.. :roll:

[Russian Texan]

even the french GIGN use it

The one shall never use word "french" in conjunction with anything that has to do with military or combat :)

[AirZone]

even the french GIGN use it

The one shall never use word "french" in conjunction with anything that has to do with military or combat :)

rofl rofl rofl

now thats funny !

but hey the GIGN r0xx0rs..and when an israeli says that on a french unit.. THATS SOME THING rofl

[GLax]

i've taken krav maga, just for fun, they run seminars up in Buffalo, New York. the times i went, i got to train with some Buffalo Police Department cops. it is seriously very lethal, its not like tae kwon do where theres a whole honor system, only use it in defence blah blah. the whole idea is to hurt your opponent. one of the classes i went to taught you how to defend yourself against an opponent with a stick or bat or whatever, they showed us a technique where you moveinside to opponents arm, knee him in his groin so he hunches over, then you put yor elbow through the back of his head. intense stuff. i think krav maga is alot more practical than something like tae kwon do, and alot of it is based on you taking out a potential attacker in the first few blows b4 he hits you first...

[Splinter26]

Hand to hand combat is an often over looked skill in many armies world wide. I was wondering which Militaries have the best training and what levels are they trained at? For example.. US Army recruits are given a few hours of training at best. Only advanced levels of Unarmed Combat are given to advanced level combat arms soldiers.
Also, what disciplines of Martial Arts do you think are best suited for combat soldiers?

the israeli "krav maga" i think is the best hand to hand combat.. because its very easy to teach and its very lethal, special forces unit around the world use it, and the same in IDF... but depends on your unit and your unit's role.

if you are in the MAGAV (border guard) you will focus more on krav maga than lets say the Yamam (Israeli SWAT) even if the yamam is a ct unit..


LOL Some posts I've read here and there display great nationalism of Israelis, they always think they're on the top at everything... best hand to hand combat skills, best military, best soldiers, etc lol. In my opinion, what Monks practice is the deadliest form of fighting.

bla bla bla.. god you ARE a jerk...
i said krav maga is the best hand to hand combat for a military..
its not a martial art.. its just about hitting the **** outta people with everything you have in hand, and its a combat proven, even the french GIGN use it.. and hell the palastines scares like **** from the YAMAS ("mistaravim"..undercover magav soliders) becuase the YAMAS just beat the **** outta them.. they practice with krav maga alot.

BTW did you ever studied krav maga ?
in 5 lessons i know to fight more better than i did after 1 year in karate
because you can teach many soldiers in less than a week a VERY lethal hand to hand combat... and yeah SAMBO rocks but i prefer to kill some one with a pen than beat him to death with my leg.

but if you ask me.. the dealiest martial art is thi-boxing...very agressive but not good for soldiers because you need years to get very good in it..

btw about the israeli military no we dont have the best military.. we have many f*** up things in the system but we sure do have one of the best fighting soldiers in the world...and i dont see why we dont.. :roll:

Now that's funny, I'm a jerk because I said Israelis think whatever is Israeli is the best in the world. That's just what I've noticed on this board so sorry for bringing it up. I too like Krav Maga, I don't know if it is the best fighting style in military because I think it all depends on an individual, but I like how it looks. I saw some videos on it too, and I will admit here, that it is my favorite style of beating the crap out of someone. And yes, Israelis do have one of the best fighting military in the world, just like Brits or Chinese, but I wouldn't put it on the very top just yet.

PS

I will tell you where you guys rock though: AVIATION. Israeli fighter pilots are sure the best combat pilots in the world (too bad your airforce isn't tho p-) ) .

[IDFM203]

Listen lets calm down the rhetoric here

First no Israeli ever said that everything Israeli is the best

Yes there are a lot that we are proud of and we point that out but nowhere did we make those general sweeping claims as you have asserted

Listen everyone on this forum praises their own nations military. I mean heck if I were to believe the poles here I would think that they have the greatest military. The same will be for everything that America has and does and so too the British or even the russians. I don’t mean to swipe on anyone but everyone has their country is the best routine here.

As for krav maga. I will just say that it is one of the best and most practical military hand to hand systems. Now its not the best martial arts system but for a military it defiantly serves its propose quite well to where it can be considered one of the best.

Shalom :D

[ogukuo72]

I bet Chineese and other asian militaries emphasize it a lot. Although I wonder how karate is going to work against 6'5'' 300lb sgt. Jones from da hood :)

Very quickly. :lol:

[StarvingStudent47]

As someone who considers himself a martial artist...

I think for modern military purposes, nothing is going to work better than a system designed for modern militaries. Shaolin monks and Thai kickboxers don't have to worry about flak jackets, combat boots, or disarming someone who has a gun. Shoot, I used to train in Taekwondo, and I couldn't do half the kicking techniques effectively with normal street clothes and shoes. I can't imagine trying to do a turning side kick in full combat gear.

For all-out brutalization fights (that aren't a specific military context)...the harder you train, the better you're going to do. From what I've seen, some sort of hardcore striking style (Muay Thai, Kyokushin Karate, or good ol' western boxing) combined with Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu for grapping will make an effective fighter, fast.

Problem is, those hardcore striking styles can lead to health problems pretty quickly--arthritis especially, but also scarring of the frontal lobes of the brain if you fight to KO. I don't know if the military-style training things cause this too, but I guess it all depends on the manner of training. From what I've seen of Spetnaz training, I'd expect some serious health problems down the line; I've heard less about American military hand-to-hand training.

As a disclaimer: Civilians IMO are best off with something that has been taken down one notch in ferocity--they'll still be good enough fighters to handle your average mugger, but they won't ruin their joints in five years. There's no reason to ruin your knees and your knuckles just to be like your heroes. Judo, good karate schools in substyles besides Kyokushin (make sure you're not getting Power Ranger BS), and Wing Chun kung fu would be my suggestions. I've had very good luck in two separate cities with JKA Shotokan Karate (JKA is one of the organizing bodies of the style Shotokan--in my opinion, the best and most reliable organizing body).

[StarvingStudent47]

I bet Chineese and other asian militaries emphasize it a lot. Although I wonder how karate is going to work against 6'5'' 300lb sgt. Jones from da hood :)

Very quickly. :lol:

It all depends on what variety of martial art you're talking about. If you're talking fancy spinning and jumping kicks like something out of a Jet Li movie...then yeah Sgt Jones is gonna tear them a new one. But if you're talking serious, non-glamourized, non-Hollywoodized fighting methods, Sgt Jones is gonna have some serious problems, even against someone smaller than him.

And don't forget that big guys can train in martial arts too. If Sgt Jones is fighting a 6'5", 300lb guy who does kyokushin karate...bye bye Sarge ;)

[mocking_loudly_died]

There is so much bull**** that goes around with hand to hand / knife fighting, the best thing to do is avoid it by using your damn weapon.

If for some bizzare reason you don't have a fire arm, aggresion wins out not some spanky asian martial art that looks pretty neat on tv.

Im talking eye gouges, nut grabing, ear biting, I'm talking English pubs on closing time.

[ogukuo72]

I bet Chineese and other asian militaries emphasize it a lot. Although I wonder how karate is going to work against 6'5'' 300lb sgt. Jones from da hood :)

Very quickly. :lol:

It all depends on what variety of martial art you're talking about. If you're talking fancy spinning and jumping kicks like something out of a Jet Li movie...then yeah Sgt Jones is gonna tear them a new one. But if you're talking serious, non-glamourized, non-Hollywoodized fighting methods, Sgt Jones is gonna have some serious problems, even against someone smaller than him.

And don't forget that big guys can train in martial arts too. If Sgt Jones is fighting a 6'5", 300lb guy who does kyokushin karate...bye bye Sarge ;)

Agreed! What I had meant to say was you had better deal with him quickly and decisively, or you will be in trouble!

For mass training of raw recruits, none of the fancy stuff will do. There simply isn't enough time to make them proficient enough to use those effectively. When I first joined the military, we were taught unarmed combat with a pretty basic core syllabus. Basic strikes. Basic kicks. Basic hip throws. Nothing fancy. I won't trust any soldier trained in this syllabus to fight Sgt Jones! (Rifle butt him and do it again and again until he is down!)

After basic training, I had a chance to learn Tae Kwon Do (which I hated intensely because of the sadistic instructors!) and Aikido. With Aikido, a petite Asian woman CAN take down someone like Sgt Jones. I've seen a very impressive display by a woman instructor who did just that with a visiting American student the size of Mount Everest. But there's no way any army can afford to spend the kind of time necessary to train soldiers to that degree of proficiency.

[Henk]

The Russian "Systhema" videoclips
http://www.spetsnaz-gru.com/

[Jack Mehoff]

I'd take any Chinese monk to fight alongside me anytime.

[ogukuo72]

You are aware that not all Chinese monks know martial arts, right? :D

[mikec62001]

I've read a book by a former member of the British Special Air Service who mentions SAS and hand to hand combat training. He said the SAS don't actually get taught a martial Art such as Tai Kwon Do, Judo, or Akido because it takes too long to train someone effeciently to be able to use it in a real fight. He went onto say the whole philosophy behind SAS fighting is to take an opponent out quickly and with as little effort as possible rather than doing high flying kicks and other methods. Andy McNab in his book "Immediate Action" calls it "Jap Slapping" which I found quite ammusing. The SAS use more street style fighting. Like someone mentioned before there are quite a few Special Forces units including Russia's Spetsnaz, ROK SEALS and army SF that are actually taught a "martial art style".

I've heard of that situation in Afghanistan where a U.S. Special Forces guy took out 4 Taliban/Al Qaeda terrorists by himself in hand to hand combat and won. Hand to hand combat is really regarded really as the weapon at the end of the list. A Soldier would usually carry his main assault weapon, Side arm, and knife....and only after he has none of those he will probably have to resort to fighting hand to hand. Solders may use hand to hand in sentry take down.....but ususally that would involve a knife.

[AirZone]

Hand to hand combat is an often over looked skill in many armies world wide. I was wondering which Militaries have the best training and what levels are they trained at? For example.. US Army recruits are given a few hours of training at best. Only advanced levels of Unarmed Combat are given to advanced level combat arms soldiers.
Also, what disciplines of Martial Arts do you think are best suited for combat soldiers?

the israeli "krav maga" i think is the best hand to hand combat.. because its very easy to teach and its very lethal, special forces unit around the world use it, and the same in IDF... but depends on your unit and your unit's role.

if you are in the MAGAV (border guard) you will focus more on krav maga than lets say the Yamam (Israeli SWAT) even if the yamam is a ct unit..


LOL Some posts I've read here and there display great nationalism of Israelis, they always think they're on the top at everything... best hand to hand combat skills, best military, best soldiers, etc lol. In my opinion, what Monks practice is the deadliest form of fighting.

bla bla bla.. god you ARE a jerk...
i said krav maga is the best hand to hand combat for a military..
its not a martial art.. its just about hitting the **** outta people with everything you have in hand, and its a combat proven, even the french GIGN use it.. and hell the palastines scares like **** from the YAMAS ("mistaravim"..undercover magav soliders) becuase the YAMAS just beat the **** outta them.. they practice with krav maga alot.

BTW did you ever studied krav maga ?
in 5 lessons i know to fight more better than i did after 1 year in karate
because you can teach many soldiers in less than a week a VERY lethal hand to hand combat... and yeah SAMBO rocks but i prefer to kill some one with a pen than beat him to death with my leg.

but if you ask me.. the dealiest martial art is thi-boxing...very agressive but not good for soldiers because you need years to get very good in it..

btw about the israeli military no we dont have the best military.. we have many f*** up things in the system but we sure do have one of the best fighting soldiers in the world...and i dont see why we dont.. :roll:

Now that's funny, I'm a jerk because I said Israelis think whatever is Israeli is the best in the world. That's just what I've noticed on this board so sorry for bringing it up. I too like Krav Maga, I don't know if it is the best fighting style in military because I think it all depends on an individual, but I like how it looks. I saw some videos on it too, and I will admit here, that it is my favorite style of beating the crap out of someone. And yes, Israelis do have one of the best fighting military in the world, just like Brits or Chinese, but I wouldn't put it on the very top just yet.

PS

I will tell you where you guys rock though: AVIATION. Israeli fighter pilots are sure the best combat pilots in the world (too bad your airforce isn't tho p-) ) .

what ever man.. im just sick and tired from people that judges us, did i said some thing to people from lets say.. USA who are very proud of thier army (and should be) ? NO ! ah well..

anyway thanks.. but i do agree the brits are one of the most professional armys in the world.

[Jack Mehoff]

You are aware that not all Chinese monks know martial arts, right? :D

OK, Chinese monks from Shaolin temple

[...]

I would rather take Tito Ortiz.

[Trigger]

"When you can snatch this pebble from my hand, it will be time for you to leave...." :D

[Russian Texan]

"It is not the style of fighting its how good you are and how much you want to live." This quote comes from a website about Russian military intelligence that has some ex various spetsnaz members.
In one of the previous posts there was a reference to "systema" website. The style that is presented on that website has nothing to do with "systema" although it does borrow some elements. In the end it is a commercial product created by a russian guy who is trying to make a living in the West. His style has too many extra/unneeded moves, sorta like Hollywood movies.
At the same time I have heard a lot of russians praising "combat sambo" and style of Kadochnikov - and I don't know much about those.
The thing that I know for sure is that spetsnaz GRU use to train with death row inmates and only one person was walking out of the room...

[NcDeuce]

Bruce freakin' Lee

[Salty Dog]

"Now that's funny, I'm a jerk because I said Israelis think whatever is Israeli is the best in the world. That's just what I've noticed on this board so sorry for bringing it up."

you've noticed that israelis and israeli things are the best, on this board?

[Jack Mehoff]

I noticed everything about US military is the BEST in this forum, bar none.

[A$$MAN]

As someone who considers himself a martial artist...

I think for modern military purposes, nothing is going to work better than a system designed for modern militaries. Shaolin monks and Thai kickboxers don't have to worry about flak jackets, combat boots, or disarming someone who has a gun. Shoot, I used to train in Taekwondo, and I couldn't do half the kicking techniques effectively with normal street clothes and shoes. I can't imagine trying to do a turning side kick in full combat gear...

The above is a great example of western thinking applied to asian culture...at times the two will not work together. "Eastern" philosophy dictates changing (the dao) with the environment. So, no eastern fighter in their right mind, particular Muay Thai, would attempt or espouse techniques hindered by combat gear. Simply use the techniques that work in full gear--knee smashes and upper body grappling.
Lastly, Muay Thai is a martial art with about 40% grappling. What you see in events such as K-1 and MT events are not pure Muay Thai. The gloves used actually hinder many of the MT grappling moves.

[AirZone]

I noticed everything about US military is the BEST in this forum, bar none.

mabye.. but the israeli (soldier) chicks are hotter rofl

[Jack Mehoff]

I noticed everything about US military is the BEST in this forum, bar none.

mabye.. but the israeli (soldier) chicks are hotter rofl

proof please :D

[AirZone]

I noticed everything about US military is the BEST in this forum, bar none.

mabye.. but the israeli (soldier) chicks are hotter rofl

proof please :D

Here:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4734

your welcome :hug:

[perdurabo]

In Poland in commies times our national sport was judo prabably army used it, but ther is a system made by dr.Bryll caled BAS3 reffered by generals as too brutal:] its based on Taekwoondo but hmm upgraded:] (like eyes hitting and other painfull stuff:])
other one is caled Combat59 its based on BAS3 but it's less efective
GROM use it's own system reffered as "enough efective";-) Police learn KravMaga Jujitsu and others

I train beerjutsu;-)the best system of emptying beer cans:D

[Herrmannek]

http://www.viperalley.com/avatars/312.gif

[Haiw]

allright since herrmannek reminded me of stick figure fighting; here's the best:
www.xiaoxiaomovie.com
best flash stick figure fighting movies EVER :D

[NcDeuce]

israeli (soldier) chicks are hotter

I am going to disagree, I WANT PROOF. ;)

[Henk]

Martial arts takes years of training. In most modern army's there isn't enough time and hand-to-hand combat is off secundaire importange, and only a few basic techniques are tought.The fundemental truth of hand-to-hand fighting is that the winner will be the one whose buddies show up first with a weapon. Given modern equipment and split seconds available to make live and death decisions soldiers must be armed with practical and workable solutions.

___________________________
The best weapon is the mind.

[Splinter26]

"Now that's funny, I'm a jerk because I said Israelis think whatever is Israeli is the best in the world. That's just what I've noticed on this board so sorry for bringing it up."

you've noticed that israelis and israeli things are the best, on this board?



MarineDEP4, re-read twice before you ask dumb questions like that. I said Israelis think whatever is Israeli is the best, and I'm not an Israeli.

[WARPIG]

Thread about Hand to hand combat turns into an Israeli flame war..... I am shocked and amazed.
OK .. so besides the spam on this thread.. it is sounding like the traditional martial arts are only usable if your organization make it a long term commitment and you have been training for a few years. Other than that.. us grunts should be looking at these skull cracking techniques offered via crash course seminar.
Many of my soldiers have spoken about taking a piece of the Physical Training week and applying some sort of martial art to a few days. I think that might be an awsome Army wide resource(as long as TRADOC doesn't get hold of it.) For example.. my platoon could contract a few months of class at the Post Gym for 2 days a week from a local Judo Instructor for a few months. Maybe next time a Karate or Kickboxing school will sponsor a few classes. Gives troops some exposure to different disciplines and also teaches a few skills.