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KB
02-06-2005, 01:31 PM
Rebuilding the Army
Sunday, February 6, 2005; Page B06


ADAY AFTER President Bush bluntly ruled out an "artificial timetable" for withdrawal from Iraq, the Pentagon delivered a sobering follow-up: While the 15,000 additional U.S. troops deployed for last Sunday's elections will be withdrawn, the 17 remaining brigades -- 135,000 soldiers and Marines -- will be needed in Iraq at least through the end of this year. That estimate is understandable, given the continuing strength of the Sunni insurgency and the troubles in preparing Iraqi security forces. In fact, even the post-election reduction seems questionable, given that vital infrastructure and roads in Iraq, and even the highway from downtown Baghdad to the airport, remain insecure. Yet the alarming truth may be that the administration has little choice but to draw down troops: As it is, the present deployment in Iraq is on the verge of breaking an undermanned Army.

On Wednesday, senior military officials gave the latest in a series of alarming reports about the strain on the Army and Marines from two years of fighting simultaneous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Carrying out a fourth rotation of troops into Iraq in the fall will be "painful," Gen. Richard A. Cody testified before the House Armed Services Committee; he suggested that it might necessitate breaking a rule that limits reservists to 24 months of active duty. Congressional pressure obliged the Pentagon to quickly prick that trial balloon, but the troops will have to come from somewhere. By the time the fall mobilization takes place, all 15 of the National Guard's most deployable brigades will have been mobilized, and some regular units may have to return next year for a third combat tour. Some are risking their lives involuntarily: "Stop-loss" orders for soldiers completing their service and the recall of some already discharged have created a backdoor draft.
Predictably, it is getting harder and harder for the Army and Marines to recruit young men and women willing to bear such hardships. The Marines missed their recruiting goal in January for the first time in a decade, and all of the reserve corps except the Marines missed their recruiting goals in the first quarter of this fiscal year. The National Guard signed up barely half of the recruits it aimed for in January; its commander warned in December that unless it received $20 billion in new weapons and equipment, the force "will be broken." For several years policy experts and congressmen from both parties have been warning Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld that the size of the Army must be increased to meet the challenges of the war against terrorism, notwithstanding his pet doctrine -- developed before Sept. 11, 2001 -- of a smaller, lighter force. Now, thanks to Mr. Rumsfeld's stubborn refusal to listen, a crisis is at hand.

The Pentagon may finally be conceding some ground: Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz told the Senate Armed Services Committee on Thursday that a temporary increase of 30,000 troops in the Army would be made permanent in the 2007 budget and that a quadrennial review of Pentagon doctrine getting underway would reconsider the size of the force. That's a step in the right direction, but more urgent action is needed. Last month a bipartisan group of former senior defense and security officials and policy experts delivered a letter to Congress recommending an increase in the active-duty Army and Marines together of at least 25,000 troops each year over the next several years. If such a buildup does not appear in the administration's budget for next year, Congress should require it -- before the damage to the armed forces grows any worse.

Jobu
02-06-2005, 02:04 PM
You people act as if this is something new.

This happens all the time. Whenever we go to war the Pentagon starts to reassess everything. What went right, what went wrong, etc.

ElHombre
02-06-2005, 02:17 PM
This happens all the time. Whenever we go to war the Pentagon starts to reassess everything. What went right, what went wrong, etc.

what was warned about beforehand and was ignored... and ignored more... then ignored even more...

Jobu
02-06-2005, 02:27 PM
This happens all the time. Whenever we go to war the Pentagon starts to reassess everything. What went right, what went wrong, etc.

what was warned about beforehand and was ignored... and ignored more... then ignored even more...

Once again, this is how it has always been.

ElHombre
02-06-2005, 02:31 PM
so it should just be accepted? even though it costs lives? people die of disease. should we stop looking for cures?

that's a silly kind of logic.

Jobu
02-06-2005, 02:56 PM
What the hell are you talking about?

I said the military is always assessing and reassessing their strengths and weaknesses.

ElHombre
02-06-2005, 10:42 PM
my bad. i know the pentagon is generally good at assesing its weaknesses. the reforms initiated after the '83 grenada campaign are as good an example of military reform as i've seen.

my point was that it does no good for reforms to be proposed if the gov't authorities in charge ignore them. such has proven to be the case with the iraq conflict. there was plenty of warning beforehand (from the chief of the JCS, no less) about what would be needed to ensure a sucessfull campaign. this advice was willfully thrown aside. not just ignored, but actually thrown out by a group who had no military experience themselves. (that is an oversimplification to a degree. rumsfeld was a pilot, but wolfowitz, perle, cheney, rice, etc. had no experience whatsoever)

most of our problems in iraq right now stem from the decisions made by this bunch of incompetents. and they still have their jobs.

Jobu
02-06-2005, 11:22 PM
Cheney was the architect of Desert Storm.

I'd say that puts him above many generals in terms of successful war plans.

You blame them but Tommy Franks signed off on the plan. Everybody in the top chain of command signed off on the plan. If anybody thought it was no good, they would not have signed.

Rejecting one plan for another is not the same as rejecting a proposed overall military restructuring.

Ratman
02-07-2005, 03:58 AM
Cheney was the architect of Desert Storm.

I'd say that puts him above many generals in terms of successful war plans.

You blame them but Tommy Franks signed off on the plan. Everybody in the top chain of command signed off on the plan. If anybody thought it was no good, they would not have signed.

Rejecting one plan for another is not the same as rejecting a proposed overall military restructuring.

In this administration you sign off or get side-lined. Just Shinseki. The second he uttered the fact that it would take a lot more troops to keep the peace than win it - BAM, microphone off, small office with no view. These people have no respect for the military.

Steel21
02-07-2005, 07:14 AM
Cheney was the architect of Desert Storm.

I'd say that puts him above many generals in terms of successful war plans.

You blame them but Tommy Franks signed off on the plan. Everybody in the top chain of command signed off on the plan. If anybody thought it was no good, they would not have signed.

Rejecting one plan for another is not the same as rejecting a proposed overall military restructuring.

Cheney was NOT the architect of anything. Sec Defs dont make plans, they manage the Chiefs as a power broker. The Chief and their people make the plans. If I had to point a finger who was the general concept originator of the plans... it would be Powell.

Franks sign off on it because from the day you became a 2Lt, you knew that you can recommend all you want to the Commander, but his word is LAW. The Generals are only Lieutenants to the Preseident's Command. When the Command gives the word, and as long as its a lawful order, you carry it out. This is how we work. To say Franks signed off on it is like saying the platoon leader signed off on the CO's plan. The PLs can bitch along with the 1SG, but they can only wiggle once you get the OPORD.

The military/civillian separation only works when you dont micro manage as this plan was. You cant put a man who has never been in the sand and the dirt getting shot at to begin to understand the concept of miltiayr life and culture day in and day out. How to endure all the separations, idiot bosses, bad hours......for over 30 years to become a general.

Otherwise all you'd get is hollywood perception, and that is very very dangerous.

By not micro managing I mean that you dont specify the means to the tasking. If the tasking cannot be completed within the absolute support limit needed, then you cancel the tasking. That is like how the guys at S3 always come up with wonderful plans that never seem to work at the SSG level, and they are much much closer than the Sec Def to the SSG. Because in the end its the squad and fireteam that has to do his deeds.

FDR never dictated Einsenhower how many troops he can have to take Europe. By the same token we should be glad (thank our lucky stars) that Hitler as a Corporal, had the Fuhrer been Rommel, Guderian, von Rundstedt or Manstain the war would have been very very different.

But ultimately politicians/natinal leaders and generals are very different kinds of men. It used to be one and the same, but this insnt the 1300s anymore.


At this point, I must ask you..... are u or have you ever been in the military? Just curious.


Thanks.