M4 winter parka

[CommunistToaster]

I recently bought a Russian M4 winter parka

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I'm wondering if anyone knows why the gorod (city) camo is blueish?

[Trillium]

Russian Made :) Splav never was a high graded product.
Thats why :)

Why getting it in a first place?

[Dalleer]

Well , I don't know.. I've heard that these sorts of products the Russians produce tend to be quite good.

But anyway , as for the "why it's blue" - factor , I can only tell you this.

The Russians (along with other states , just look at the "urban uniform" the French GIGN received sometime ago) have decided that the best uniform color for urban-combat is apparently blue. Somehow this particular color is supposed to be better in various industrial and urban landscapes out there and therefore it's used.

I've heard that the Russians also pack the traditional "white-black-grey" - types of urban BDU's , but I'd still say that the blue-colored ones tend to be quite common in our eastern neighbours' forces as well.

So , the most simple answer to your question is , that "The Russians (and not just them) have gathered that , blue is the best color for urban enviroments = therefore it is used).

Too bad I haven't had a change to acquire any of this Russian stuff. It would actually be interesting to somehow test patterns such as the "Gorod (city) camouflage pattern".

And well , is this "Splav" - made stuff somehow of poor quality as Mr. Trillium said ? Anyone else have similar experiences by any chance ?

[Trillium]

Dalleer ask russian , real russians, those who wear it day by day not for
airsoft.

p-) The only thing is REAL good about Splav is there wide and Cheap
product line. But low grade.

PS: Laast good word on Splav , M4 Parka has been used in "Die another day" movie, it was cheap to buy .

[Geocider]

1st: Your jacket is in Gorod (-0). There are two newer patterns (-1,-2) That are grayer. ("Gorod"=city in Russian. The woodland version "Les"= forest)

2nd: Most of the ****ty clothes people complain about are the cheap and a bit sloppy-made clothes made for export. If you bought your jacket from either Redsoldier or RCG you have on of those copies. The real stuff got white ink-stamps on the inside.
I'm quite sure that most of the stuff sold by Rusmilitary is copies too. Not to much shame getting fooled though, I know I was. :)

Ofcourse the quality of some Russian equipment can be discussed, but that's the deal with all contries' stuff. It's military: it's supposed to be cheap. There are other reasons that special forces prefer civilian clothing than 'melting in'.

Cheers!

Edit: When I think about it, it looks like a Gorod-1 pattern. Splav makes them in different sized patterns and I thought about the larger one. The bluish-thing could have somthing to do with the fact that shadows are kinda blue. But as Trillium said; ask the russians.

[anonymous individual]

The M4 has a blueish colour is for indication. I believe that is one of the reasons behind it. But the real stuff that is in blueish colour for indication is in SMK(spelling) pattern which is I believe is not the Gorod, even though they are very similar. Those clothing are for MVD operatives and are not sold publicly.

Please correct me if I am wrong. :)


The real stuff got white ink-stamps on the inside.


Can you expand on that?

[Dalleer]

Well , it would still be alot more logical to assume that the reason why it's blue is because the whole pattern in this "Parka" is designed for urban enviroments..

[Geocider]

@anonymous individual:

MOD-stamps indicating the authenticity of the uniforms.

I must say I might have been a bit fast on my other comment though. I apologize for that. Not everything sold on named sites are copies per se. They are not really authorized by russian authorities, though, and not "issued" as said on the sites. Operatives in russian special forces are given the possibility to buy own equipment just as many other countries SF. This doesn't prove the effectiveness of the equipment sold as these have not passed any trials or such. I shouldn't say anything, though, as I do not speak from personal experience. I have merely gotten my info from reading and communicating with people that I feel is reliable sources. This is no reason for you to think of this as true facts.
And it is a gorod-pattern. That much I can say without doubt.

[bloddyaxe]

nice parka :)
I recently got myself a Delta jacket from splav, pretty nice it is.

[CommunistToaster]

well, the quality of it is pretty good, only one of the pressure snaps for the storm flap rattles when I walk (anyone know how to fix that?)

the sleeves on it have a knitted in wrist part that fits to my wrist that makes it so warm its incredible. Also there are 3 parts where I can pull on the strings to make it tighter to my body if there is a lot of wind, on the very bottom, at my chest and finally on the hood.

only thing I don't really like about it is how easily the hood will come off is someone grabs me by it :(

[Geocider]

The rattling buttons is probably best fixed by actually replacing them with other ones. Splav's press buttons has gotten many complaints and I've personally got the same problem with my winter cap. Shouldn't require much skill to sew on some new ones though. Am gonna go down town some day and buy better ones myself I think.

[CommunistToaster]

The rattling buttons is probably best fixed by actually replacing them with other ones. Splav's press buttons has gotten many complaints and I've personally got the same problem with my winter cap. Shouldn't require much skill to sew on some new ones though. Am gonna go down town some day and buy better ones myself I think.

good idea, thanks

[Geocider]

May one ask where you purchased the jacket?

[slobo]

I have several Splav items and all are generally well made (i.e. to Werstern standards if that's your perspective), including my Les (i.e., US woodland copy) M4.

As to blueish Gorod, perhaps much of it is to do with that these camo patterns (Gorod, and other "city" patterns) are frequently used by Russian MVD -- as in Interior troops but also federal police force.

I havea Splav rainsuit in Gorod and 2 things: (1) its an intriguing and complex camo (interesting to me for those reasons alone as a collector); (2) it too is extremely well made.

BTW: ANA is also a good Russian manufacturer.

Too see more from both try these:
www.splav.ru
www.ana.ru

If you're looking to buy:

www.russiancombatgear.com
www.redsoldier.com

And if you're in the UK:
www.fsu.co.uk or something like that. If that's incorrect, google on "Les" and "Splav" and your bound to hit it.

The "Bekas" suit is particulary cool and well-made in my opine (as well as the rainsuits by Splav and ANA), andfrom the posts on this site of Russian Forces and MVD VV in action, these items are quite common in the field.

With all the camo types and uniform & gear styles onthe market from Russian manufacturers (who sell to the public and the Russian Forces), it's a field day (albeit expensive!) for the collector.

[slobo]

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[CommunistToaster]

I got it from russian combat gear

i ordered it nov 21st '04, recieved it feb 1st (my birthday, go figure)

[Geocider]

I got it from russian combat gear

i ordered it nov 21st '04, recieved it feb 1st (my birthday, go figure)

I ordered some stuff in mid november from there and everyting haven't arrived yet, only a winter cap and a koshynka... Now they stopped answering my mails too. Bloody bastards. :(

[CommunistToaster]

I dono, I email sales@russiancombatgear.com