What the 'heck...

[He219]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20031031/capt.sge.aba52.311003202902.photo00.default-390x263.jpg

US special forces deploy during clashes in Baghdad's western suburb of Abu Gharib.(AFP/Karim Sahib)

I need some ID help please. Thanks!

:D

[Deuterium]

Uhhhhhhhhh, good question.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

damn im not armored expert but that looks rather cheap so I doubt its american apc's....possibility they could be british?

[Argyll]

Coming from a Canadian that's rich!!

British-Cheap indeed!!

They look quite like French VAB's,they also maybe South African,but to be honest I've never seen these things before,they look about as armoured as butter!!

[Mo]

BTR????

[thatguy96]

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/4x4_20I_1_gross.jpg
? Could be, its what I'm leaning toward. This is a 4x4 vehicle of the MOWAG Piranha base, more commonly known as the LAV-III/LAV-25/Stryker in the US. The Piranha comes in 4x4, 6x6, and 8x8 versions.

[GLax]

that vehicle definately got beat with the ugly stick. then somebody painted it baby sh*t brown..

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

well you learn something new everyday :lol:

[EvanL]

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/4x4_20I_1_gross.jpg
? Could be, its what I'm leaning toward. This is a 4x4 vehicle of the MOWAG Piranha base, more commonly known as the LAV-III/LAV-25/Stryker in the US. The Piranha comes in 4x4, 6x6, and 8x8 versions.

LAVIII it is not. LAVIII is a totally different thing from the piranha.

[khukuri]

Sence it says that it is US special forces i assume they mostly go softskin, sp this was maybe some fastfix for them. Maybe they lended equip frpm some country.... ooooor captured BTR:s?

[ShotOver]

BRDM me thinks, Iraq use them.

http://www.flash.net/~dmitry1/brdm-2-u-2.jpg

[Mortimer]

yeah they could be captured....

[He219]

Thanks guys, but they don't seem to be MOWAG, BTR or BRDMs.......

I've looked them up. They seem similar to early model MOWAG's, but no cigar.

I'm very curious now. REMOV?

:D

[Mortimer]

ASLAV?

[James]

The vehicles in the orignal pictures look like they are 6x6, and the front of the hull appears similar to the Piranha. Who uses these?

[Dennis G]

:D Those are cute little things. and when a tank fires a sobo round it goes clear the first one and on its way down the convoy :|

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20031031/capt.sge.aba52.311003202902.photo00.default-390x263.jpg

[Uncle Chô]

:D Those are cute little things. and when a tank fires a sobo round it goes clear the first one and on its way down the convoy :|
Ha Ha Ha, your so funny Dennis... Could the same not happen to a row of M 113 ? As usual on this forum if it is not of an American design it is crap and useless. You are so narrow minded to say the least...

Anyway, a positive ID is indeed difficult.

We can see on the pic this could be a 6X6 APC (check the hubs)

It is not a Canadian Mowag or Piranha

It is not a Russian BTR or Romanian copy

it is not a Malaysian Condor

It is not a French exported VAB

It is not a Czech OT-64

It is not a South African Ratel

It could be a Spanish BMR-600 because of the large armored driver's window on the left the and glacis plates but the left gunner cupola is not of an usual design on a BMR-600. Different paint also. It is very close but it does not 100% match the pictures I have but maybe this is a new or "special" version ? The media may have misunderstood the Spanish desert camo BDU with the US pattern...

What other country that is supporting the operations in Iraq does have an indigenous wheeled 6X6 APC ??

This is the lead but I am still looking for the answer ;)

[REMOV]

I'm very curious now. REMOV? Well, in my opinion those are Austrian 6x6 Pandur APCs. The US ARMY have about 50 vehicles of this kind (produced by AV Technology Corp of the USA).
Sources: http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/supplement/lav/lav_pandur.shtml, http://www.d-2-128.org/armorid/pandur.html.

http://www.d-2-128.org/armorid/pand13.jpg


Recognition Features:
* box like hull with nose sloping back under front of vehicle, well sloped glacis plate, driver on the left and engine compartment to the right, horizontal hull top
* upper part of hull sides slope inward, optional firing ports/vision devices in either side
* three large, evenly spaced road wheels each side

Specifications:
Crew: 2+8
Armament: 12.7 mm MG with 1,000 rounds
Length, hull: 5.697 meters (18'-8" *F.T.M.C.)
Width: 2.5 meters (8'-2" *F.T.M.C.)
Height, top of turret: 1.82 meters (6'-0" *F.T.M.C.)
Weight, combat: 13,000 kg (28,600 lbs. (14.3 tons) *F.T.M.C.)
Max. road speed: 110 km/hr (68 mph *F.T.M.C.)
* F.T.M.C. = For The Metrically Challenged

Development/Layout:
First prototypes of the Pandure 6x6 APC were shown in 1985. In 1994 the Austrian Army ordered 68 Pandurs for use by Austrian forces serving with the UN. Deliveries began in 1995. In 1997 Austria had planned to order 270 more.
The Kuwait National Guard ordered 70 in 6 configurations (most were armed with Cockerill 90 mm turret) in 1996. These were licensed produced by AV Technology in the U.S.A.

Belgium ordered 54 in 1997 with delivery supposed to start in 1998, APC, C-2, Ambulance and ARV versions.

The U.S. Army has ordered 50, the Pandur will form the basis of the Armoured Ground Mobility System, which will include new applique armor.

The driver is seated at the front left with the engine compartment to the right, the commander is to the rear of the driver. The troop compartment is at the rear of the vehicle and has roof hatches and firing ports and vision devices. The version for the Austrian Army has a slightly raised troop compartment with spall liners and mine protection mats. The commander/gunner has a 12.7 mm MG in a small, partially open turret.

Features to make the vehicle more stealthy include a thermally insulated exhaust system, high infra-red absorbing paint to reduce the infra-red signature, the design of vehicle surfaces have been optimised to minimise the radar cross section of the vehicle, noise signature has been reduced with a silencing system integrated into the engine and exhaust systems.

Standard equipment includes power steering, fire detection/suppression and a central tire pressure system. An amphibious version, with longer hull and more powerful engine, has been developed.

All variants use the same chassis configured in one of two basic models, identified as "A'' Model with an extended roof or "B" Model with a flat roof design.

Variants:
Ambulance
Anti-aircraft
Anti-tank (HOT or TOW)
Armored Reconnaissance Scout Vehicle (30 mm)
Armored Reconnaissance Fire Support Vehicle (90 mm)
Command and Control Vehicle
Mechanized Infantry Combat Vehicle
Reconnaissance Vehicle

Status:
The Pandur is in production and in service, or on order, with the Austria, Belgium, Kuwait, Slovenia and the U.S.

[REMOV]

There one's interesting thing (thanks Mic for your support!) from this site: http://www.army-technology.com/projects/pandur/index.html
The US Army has awarded a contract for up to 50 Pandur vehicles to form the basis of the Armoured Ground Mobility System, which will include new applique armour. Delivery of four vehicles is complete, a further eight are in production.So, it looks like all four US Pandurs are in Iraq now (all at one photo) ;)

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/pandur/images/pandur4.jpg

[He219]

First Class, REMOV. Outsanding as usual.

Indeed Generay Dynamics aquired (http://www.generaldynamics.com/news/press_releases/2003/September%2030,%202003%20News%20Release.htm) Steyr Spezialfahrzeug of Austria. Great picture to mach colors..

AGMS

Not all USSOCOM vehicle platforms involve “the light fight.” For example, March 2000 marked the arrival of the first serial delivery of four new, wheeled armored vehicles to elements of the U.S. Army’s Special Operations Command (USASOC). Designated as the Armored Ground Mobility System (AGMS), the vehicles were based on the 6x6 Pandur series of wheeled armored vehicles.

The program emerged from a market survey conducted by the U.S. Army Tank-automotive and Armaments Command (TACOM) in late 1997. Program descriptions outlined the need for a non-developmental item that would be internally transportable by the CH-47 medium lift helicopter and C-130 and larger aircraft. Expected operational conditions included a mission profile of 30 percent primary roads, 30 percent secondary roads, and 40 percent cross-country “while carrying specified loads.” Based in part on that survey, the government subsequently released a solicitation for AGMS in early 1998. New lift requirements did not include internal CH-47 but instead referred to “a desired requirement” to sling-load the vehicle beneath selected CHINOOK helicopters. New requirements also included specified mine protection levels for all wheels and centerline. Contractors responding to the solicitation were asked to submit a vehicle sample for evaluation later that year.

In the spring of 1999, TACOM awarded a contract for the AGMS variant of the Pandur 6 by 6 series wheeled vehicles to AV Technology, a subsidiary of General Dynamics Land Systems. Steyr-Daimler-Puch Spezialfahrzeug AG & Co. KG was also a member of the AGMS team.

The basic Pandur chassis measures 6.5 meters in length and 2.6 meters in width with a height of approximately 2.1 meters (depending on variant). A six cylinder, 285 horsepower engine provides the system with a top road speed of approximately 100-105 km/h (62 to 65 miles per hour).

At the time of the initial AGMS delivery a USSOCOM spokesperson explained, “Special operations forces operate in small teams. And recent experiences in crisis locations around the world have shown that special operations forces need this kind of a vehicle—for its mobility and its protection. This type of vehicle will give the special operations force units the capability to escort humanitarian relief convoys, to help patrol outlying areas, and otherwise operate in high threat environments.”

Although declining to identify the specific USASOC elements expected to operate the AGMS vehicles, the spokesperson added, “Particularly, these vehicles will provide our small teams with a degree of force protection while they are operating independently from other friendly forces.”

http://www.sotech-kmi.com/archive_article.cfm?DocID=122

What is this 'new applique armour'?

:D

[Seoulstriker]

kudos, remov!!! woot woot woot

[REMOV]

It is not a Czech OT-64First of all OT-64 SKOT is Polish-Czech APC. And the second is that the SKOT has been modernized in Poland (by WZM nr 5) and now is called Rys (i.e. EN Lynx). The Polish Army will be equipped both with AMV Patria and (next generation OT-64) Rys APC.

http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/rys/rys_1.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/rys/rys_2.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/rys/rys_3.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/rys/rys_4.jpg
(Photos taken by Michal Duraj at MSPO 2002)

Rys Base model
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/rys/Rys%201.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/rys/Rys%202.jpg

Rys E8 Proposal IFV with Rheinmetall E8 turret and 30mm Mauser MK30 cannon
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/rys/Rys%20E8_1.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/rys/Rys%20E8_2.jpg

Rys M98 Mortar carrier for 2 or 3 98mm M98 mortars
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/rys/Rys%20M98_1.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/rys/Rys%20M98_2.jpg

[wholagun]

THATS A HUGE BITCH!
FREAK!
KEEP IT IN THE CIRCUS!

[REMOV]

THATS A HUGE BITCH! FREAK!The Rys (all versions) fits to the C130 cargo hold, so...

[wholagun]

Rys M98 Mortar carrier for 2 or 3 98mm M98 mortars
I went online to find pics of thse but i couldn't, Remov some help please and BTW Remov check your private messages.

[REMOV]

I went online to find pics of thse but i couldn't, Remov some help pleasePictures of Rys APC (with E8 turret) in C130 cargo hold.

http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/rys/RysE8_C130_1.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/rys/RysE8_C130_2.jpg

[perdurabo]

I've heard there is a guy in Warszawa that drives Pink painted SKOT to work:) if you have 5.000$ you can buy one:) and T55AM cost about 15.000$ :) (sadly without guns and it's not allowed to drive it on public roads)
I would love to buy BRDM2:)

[REMOV]

I've heard there is a guy in Warszawa that drives Pink painted SKOT to work:) Well, a urban myth I think.

I would love to buy BRDM2:)A man I know bought the BRDM-2. He is a little bit crazy military collector (for example put an AA gun into his allotment). After he bought those vehicle his wife lose her cool and gave him a row: "BRDM-2 or me, you choise!". He choosed wife, but now still try to hide BRDM-2 from her (its not so easy) and probably will sell it soon ;)

[perdurabo]

Im student...:( not enough money said bankomat (bankingmashine?) to me :) no place to hide it and no driving licence is problem to :]
about that SKOT was TV program even but it was years ago :)